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Dana White: BJ Penn vs Anderson Silva 'aint gonna happen'


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"If GSP beats BJ then you’ll see Silva v GSP -- possibly at a catch weight. But if Penn beats GSP there’s no way I’d let him move up to 185lbs, no way. He’ll f***ing fight, argue and cry about it but there’s no way – it ain’t gonna happen, I can tell you that right now – it ain’t gonna happen."

UFC President Dana White is all about a superfight between welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre and middleweight champion Anderson Silva sometime in 2009. Of course, St. Pierre -- who next fights lightweight champion BJ Penn at UFC 94 on January 31 -- and Silva -- who fights Patrick Cote next week -- both more than likely need to win their next bouts for that to happen. Great idea and a colossal moneymaker. But here's where it gets a little weird -- White says he will not let Penn -- a former welterweight champion who has competed against light heavyweights in the past -- fight "The Spider" if he bests "Rush." Penn has said numerous times that he would like to hold every belt in the UFC, but according to an emphatic White, it's not going to happen. White is right in that Penn will more than likely raise a stink if he is not allowed to fight Silva ... as he should be. It doesn't make much sense, especially since Penn would have to vacate at least one title for it to happen. Hopefully, White will elaborate on the thought process in the near future.

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why not? if bj beats gsp i say let him keep going hell if he wants to fight at hw let him.i think dana would change his mind if the money is right.

by roy on Oct 17, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

how do you get links up? i send them and they never go up roy!!

by kevin (most moderated guy on mmamania) on Oct 17, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok Kevin I gotta ask u,,, do yr comments float in cyberspace and eventually show up?… (that includes those that show up next day?) or do they totally disapear for good?…

by THORAZINE on Oct 18, 2008 1:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends, sometimes I’ll check the next day and there here, other times (like news or links) there gone for good

by kevin (most moderated guy on mmamania) on Oct 18, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree. hell i was thinking b.j. might call out anderson after the sherk fight. i think dana wants him to stay at the lighter weights and clean house.

by b.w. on Oct 17, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree, i think thats exactly what dana wants i just think bj has a different plan. i don’t think he is motavated to stay at lw and wants to test himself against the best out there regaurdless of weight. a loss to gsp might change his mind though but if he wins he might demand it.

by roy on Oct 17, 2008 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it doesn’t matter GSP will score KO.

by Ro-j on Oct 18, 2008 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you sure about the K.O??? i think GSP will lose this fight vs penn guaranteed!

by ML on Oct 26, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well I believe there isn’t much cleaning left to do anyway. Pretty similar to Anderson’s predicament at 185, with virtually no one left to clean up.

This is to fuc*in’ sad. It should’ve been a nice way to determine who truly is the best pound for pound. BJ really has a chance because of his freakish ground game. We all know Anderson has had some difficulty with ground wizards.

by Syd[a.k.a. "The Negation"] on Oct 17, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least Silva has defended his title a few times. BJ just beat Sherk and thinks the whole division is done. Hopefully GSP will humble him a little. And anderson’s “weak” game is wrestling. If you’ve heard sylvio b talk about his bjj then you start to doubt the idea of him getting subbed easily.

by NameNotRequired on Oct 17, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate BJ, there-for, I say let him fight anyone he wants. I would love to see Anderson kick him so hard he would sleep for about a week. Heck, let him fight Brock, I would love to see Brock pick him up with one hand and punch his lights out with the other. Just picture it, Brocks left hand around BJ’s neck, holding him off the ground, and knocking him out with the right, then he folds BJ up, puts him in his back pocket, and brings him to Dana White and says “you warned him”. Boy I will sleep well tonight.

by iagoof22 on Oct 17, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha. Quite possible.

by naturalshadow on Oct 18, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would the GSP vs Sliva fight be at a catch weight? But BJ has to actually make 170…. I guess GSP vs Sliva would not be for Sliva’s belt. Any thoughts?

by Robert on Oct 17, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bj would get killed anyways. he can’t even beat matt hughes

by deuce 4 on Oct 17, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bj beat hughes in the first fight. The second fight he was destroying him for 2 rounds and they bj broke his ribs when he was choking and elbowing hughes. bj proved in the two fights that he was the far superior fighter.

by lee maury on Oct 18, 2008 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t see how getting put in a crucifix hold and eating punches like popcorn proves you are the better fighter?

by naturalshadow on Oct 19, 2008 3:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dana already knows the outcome of the GSP fight. He just taking as he know BJ will NEVER beat GSP. Smart guy.

by Gord on Oct 18, 2008 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want GSP to win more than ever now. Would love to see GSP vs. Silva. I’m a big fan of GSP but I think Silva will take it, but man I hope GSP beats Penn again so we can see it happen. I think GSP will beat Penn, but that’s going to be a great fight too!

by brac on Oct 17, 2008 4:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

same! hope GSP beats penns ass…and as big of GSp fan as i am, Silva is insane. GSP would have to get him down and silva striking may be too much

by newfie on Oct 17, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seeing as how Silva likes to feel his opponent out for the first minute or so, I think GSP could take him down in the first 4-5 seconds like he did to Serra and Fitch. They never knew what hit them and they both have better takedown defence than Silva. GSP has unreal top control so he will be able to keep him down. Listen to Silva’s responce when asked if he WANTS to fight GSP," I don’t know, if it has to happen it will". I think he knows GSP’s strengths play into his weaknesses. BJ has much better TD defence than Silva and we will see how easy GSP takes BJ down and has his way with him.

by Gord on Oct 18, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably because he dosn’t want Penn holding 3 belts at once, if Penn wasn’t a title holder or only had one title id see no problem with a fight with Silva.

by Macho Bullshit on Oct 17, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you’re gonna get flamed, but I agree 100%

by kevin (most moderated guy on mmamania) on Oct 17, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s a great point.

by James S on Oct 17, 2008 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not saying Penn could beat GSP or Silva, i’m not sure who’d win. Dana said “But if Penn beats GSP there’s no way I’d let him move up to 185lbs” which means Penn would have 2 titles and be challenging for a 3rd which Dana probably dosn’t want.

by Macho Bullshit on Oct 17, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s exactly it. If Andy ever wins the LHW title, Dana’s not just gonna give him a shot at the HW title too.

by Pat on Oct 17, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Either way it makes no difference, who honestly thinks BJ could beat Silva? Cool fight, yes… beat Silva, no way!

And good point ‘introvert’—below—Cote isn’t even in the picutre here, Dana has already assumed Cote will lose, which is likely, but still…

I thing GSP is bigger than BJ, do you guys think moving up 2 weight classes has something to do with it as well?

by JS on Oct 17, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me, I honestly think BJ could beat Silva. He could go toe-to-toe with The Spider, or he could take the game to the ground…I’ve seen too many upsets in this sport so i always weigh the possibilities, and in this case, it’s possible for Penn to beat the Spider…..period.

by Syd[a.k.a. "The Negation"] on Oct 17, 2008 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Think about size, reach, etc. And Silva has at least the same level of skill (stand up or ground). Yeah, upsets can happen, and I could also get hit by lightning, but I sure as hell wouldn’t bet on it. Sorry man, I very highly doubt BJ could beat Silva; same with 99% of mma fans. Period. lol

by JS on Oct 18, 2008 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He Guy just got my internet back we just got done wit our house and we had to get Fuxxxxing Hughes net hope to god thats not going to matt or mark but… any way havent got too be on here for a month hope all is going well and got a bottle of lotion and november playboy so all is well here

by DBG on Oct 18, 2008 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you guys see Bj fight Machida at 205? He more then held his own even giving the weight difference. He lost but did not get hurt. BJ has come a long way from that fight and it is to easy to say I hate BJ, he can’t win but he has the best chin, take down defense, and ground game out there. GSP the last time won because of the almighty lay-n-pray. He did not win by any amazing feat. and that was when BJ didn’t do anything right. Now he does everything right! I think BJ has a great chance against a 185# Silva, especially if he beats GSP. I think BJ wins this time. GSP has been afraid to let his hands go against his competition, since getting KO’d by Serra, and you are not taking down BJ without letting your hands fly confidently. Either way I think this will be a great fight.

by Da Monkey on Oct 18, 2008 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If BJ wants to hold all those titles his weight is going to go up and down more than Oprah’s. Seriously, I would rather see Penn fight fight Silva than GSP. GSP is an incredible athlete who would have a chance against Silva, but I think Penn’s all-around game is better.

by PW on Oct 18, 2008 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

B.J. has a better chance of winning the Boston Marathon than beating Anderson Silva.

by naturalshadow on Oct 19, 2008 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Title or no titles Dana gives no wiggle room. He says no three times without providing any other options or conditions under which Penn and Silva could fight.

by MMAmania on Oct 17, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What do you know you’re only a kid! lol j/k. But if there was a lot of interest in a fight between Silva & Penn I think Dana would make it, when does Dana shy away from some big money to be made? Answer is very rarely if at all. Frankly i’d love to see both GSP & Penn face Silva, not at the same time all though they might have more chance of winning?

by Macho Bullshit on Oct 17, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn’t let Randy vs Fedor happen, and the whole world would have spent $65.00 for that fight. He didn’t want Fedor to end Randy’s career, and he doesn’t want Silva to end BJ’s.

by iagoof22 on Oct 17, 2008 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The whole world wouldn’t though. The majority of fans in the U.S. don’t know who Fedor is so the fight wouldn’t even be that big. Fedor would need to have more fights in the U.S. and give American fans a chance to see how good he is before that fight would be a huge deal.

by GregC on Oct 17, 2008 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i’magoof22, how do you figure that? He offer Fedor $2,000,000 and he didn’t take it. He did everything he could to make that fight happen,short of changing the exclusive rule. He can’t let his fighters fight where ever, when ever they want, it would be CHAOS. Randy tried setting that fight up on him own and AGAIN Fedor didn’t want it. It’s pretty obvious that for some reason Fedor DOESN’T want that fight.

by Gord on Oct 18, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why? I’d put BJ against ANY fighter in the UFC. It wouldn’t be healthy on his body, but we want super fights dana
silva/fedor
silva/gsp gsp would get killed
bj/silva
all match ups I know I want to see!!!

by kevin (most moderated guy on mmamania) on Oct 17, 2008 4:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You forgot:
Silva v. Lesnar
Silva v. An Aligator
Silva v. 5 Turkish Midgets
Silva v. The Terminator

by DDT on Oct 17, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

silva versus chuck norris

by onthebutton on Oct 17, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

chuck norris defeats anderson silva via KO (donkey punch) 1:23 of round 1

by brendan on Oct 17, 2008 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol nope, chuck wins at the weigh ins, silva dies!

by kevin (most moderated guy on mmamania) on Oct 17, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A spinning back kick would be more approiate, its the only thing Norris has in his arsenal yet it seems to do the trick everytime. Silva would be doomed.

by Macho Bullshit on Oct 17, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Silva could take the 5 Turkish Midgets(little people).

by iagoof22 on Oct 17, 2008 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BJ starts sucking as he increases in weight. I would guess even harder against top competition.

by NameNotRequired on Oct 17, 2008 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly he starts looking all fat and can’t fight the same as when he is small. Silva would have like 6 inches on him and who knows how much reach…It would look like Iron-Man fighting an oomp-loompa. It doesn’t matter anyway because I say no way does Penn beat GSP and no way does GSP beat Silva.

by RedDog on Oct 17, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

did you see bj fight machida?

He can handle the heavier weight.

by DDT on Oct 18, 2008 1:04 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What people don’t get is that BJ’s head can take punches from 205LBS on down… someone tell me the last time BJ’s was KO’d, or even had a vicious cut or black eye????… Anyone?… Any BJ haters please correct and enlighten me? Don’t get me wrong I think GSP is going to beat BJ via Lay n Pray… or stick and move… but LB for LB… BJ is the most durable fighter in MMA and that allows him to get away with moving up in weight and doing better than most people can imagine.

by THORAZINE on Oct 18, 2008 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He can handle the weight but he’s not the same BJ. Also Machida is a technical fighter but he doesn’t have any serious power for a 205er. Also he’s only fought 3 good strikers all of which he didn’t let them stand with him. Pointless to discuss the elasticity of his skin, so he doesn’t cut big deal, that didn’t stop hughes from getting the tko. His durability hasn’t been tested compared to someone like Nog because he has never taken massive punishment so that theory goes away as well. But we will see if he can take a beating like Fitch soon enough.

by NameNotRequired on Oct 18, 2008 5:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NameNotRequired, all good points, I don’t think BJ can fight past 170lbs and consitantly win or beat the best, but he can certainly hang with a number of 185 lbs and any 170lbr… and those of us that really look at the details of the Hughes fight know that BJ ribs were separated, however that’s the fight game and have to give Hughes credit for somehow creating that injury… they fight again, BJ wins.

If yr saying we’ll see how bad a beating BJ can take because he’s fighting GSP… we already know… it’s not like they haven’t fought before.

by THORAZINE on Oct 19, 2008 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But no no one would care anymore because Hughes sucks now so big deal

by RedDog on Oct 19, 2008 3:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you dont need to worry about pen/silva because gsp will beat penn again.

by mmanutz on Oct 17, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, even Dana is looking past Cote like he’s not even there.

It’s all “if GSP does this…if BJ does that”…not even a breath wasted on Cote.

Makes me want Cote to pull off the upset even more…..no win for Silva = Who gives a shit about GSP/Silva or BJ Penn/Silva.

by introvert on Oct 17, 2008 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol you’re the only guy who gives Cote a shot!!!

by kevin (most moderated guy on mmamania) on Oct 17, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not that cote does have a shot but he is right dana didn’t even give cote that respect of a chance.

by roy on Oct 17, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ya, that is pretty messed up.

by Grembone on Oct 17, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

your saying Cote doesn’t have a shot?….of course he does…he’s a world class athlete…its a long shot but to say he doesn’t have a shot is rediculous

by McArthur on Oct 17, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Like I said before even today…. The only way Patrick Cote wins this fight is if Anderson Silva changes his name to Patrick Cote.

by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 17, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the giants were longshots as well and they beat the patriots since that anything can happen ask gsp what happened when he fought serra once

by randy murders on Oct 17, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And I am rooting for Cote…. Anderson is a bad ass mofo but I love the underdog when neither fighter is a favorite of mine

by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 17, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

con randy murders, we pats fans are trying to forget that day!!!!

by kevin (most moderated guy on mmamania) on Oct 17, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cote’s got to go for the always popular (sarcasim) “doctor stoppage on a cut from a lucky jab” win

by McArthur on Oct 17, 2008 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Randy i totally agree and would love to see an upset….. but my magic 8 ball is telling me “outcome unlikely”

by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 17, 2008 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comment by Psyqo78®™
“Like I said before even today…. The only way Patrick Cote wins this fight is if Anderson Silva changes his name to Patrick Cote.”

Haha, well put.

by J on Oct 17, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah the UFC can’t have one guy holding up championship fights in 3 weight divisions……if he somehow won he’d have 3 titles. What about all of the other fighters in the UFC? They’d all have to wait a long time to get their title shots. Those 3 titles would barely ever get defended…..he’d have to forfeit the LW at least or fight the spider in a non-title fight. Kenny Florian is already getting the shaft at a title fight since he’s fighting GSP. The belts need to be defended at least 3 times a year each, if not 4.

by joseph on Oct 17, 2008 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he could give up the titles

by roy on Oct 17, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which makes those titles pretty meaningless. I think that’s Dana’s biggest problem with the situation. How is anyone going to care about the LW or WW belts if they know it’s just the runner-up.

by KDawg2600 on Oct 17, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No worries, BJ will NEVER, EVER win 3 titles, he’s just not that good. No one is, hence NO ONE holds EVEN 2 titles (or ever did at the same time) in the UFC.

by Gord on Oct 18, 2008 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d rather see GSP vs Silva, but if Penn happens to beat GSP, then I say let him fight Silva. Who cares if he would have 3 belts. That would just mean he’s one bad MF’r, but I don’t see him being able to beat Silva even if he gets past GSP.(Don’t see GSP beating Silva either but what an entertaining fight!) He’s just to small. But what would be great to see is that he has a great chin and he just doesn’t bleed. His chin would be tested like never before against Silva and I think we would see blood from the Prodigy! Sweet!

by brac on Oct 17, 2008 5:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

LOL A BJ/Anderson fight, especially for 5 rounds, would be interesting b/c we might see one of two things that have never happened before:

1. Anderson Silva losing in the UFC
2. BJ Penn getting knocked out

by Pat on Oct 18, 2008 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I say if Bj beat GSP, Let him do whatever it is he wants. I know He would have two titles to defend, and three if he beat Silva, im sure that what Dana is concerned about, but why not make a BJ/ Silva fight at a catch weight with no belt on the line. I know that makes the fight a little less interesting to most fans. I say fuck any belt just show me the fights we want to see. Alot of times the guy with the belt, isnt even the best in his weight class anyway. ( I.E. Serra, Forrest)

by LOKIE on Oct 17, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

exactly or a im sure bj would give up a title for a shot at beating another top p4p fighter.

by roy on Oct 17, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the issue with a catch weight fight is that silva would have to cut even more weight to reach it…
But, silva has indicated that he only wants to fight about 6 more time before retiring… a super fight with BJ at 180lbs. might just be one of those big $$$ fights that he’s looking for

by Ironic Sumo on Oct 17, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think if bj beats gsp silva would love to fight him.

by roy on Oct 17, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah,Yeah that’s it, Dana’s worried that BJ will beat GSP and SILVA, LMFAO. I’m sure that thought has NEVER even crossed his mind.

by Gord on Oct 18, 2008 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dana should not say anything, it’ll work in his favor anyways cause there is no way hell Penn will beat the new GSP.

by MikeD on Oct 17, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

well you have to consider the new bj penn. when have you ever seen him in the shape he’s been in lately??? i never say never anymore….. i like bj more than i like gsp. i’d rather see penn beat gsp, but i’d much rather see gsp win if he gets to fight silva after!

by allamerican on Oct 17, 2008 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anderson was 175 when he fought okami, I am sure it would be no problem for him to get down there again, so why not a bj vs silva at 175..

who cares about the belts..

by shamo84 on Oct 17, 2008 5:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

the belts constitute 5rnd fights. the 1rst gsp/penn fight was a non-conclusive, non-title 3rnder. i would love to see all these superstars fight as well, but 5rnds is a must.

by b.w. on Oct 17, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gsp will beat bj. anderson will beat gsp. GSP DONT FIGHT SILVA!

by J.Vorhees on Oct 17, 2008 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Who is B.j. Anderson? with a name like that he must be one bad M%$her F!@#er

by F. krueger on Oct 17, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he had a minor role in miami vice

by Macho Bullshit on Oct 17, 2008 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just hope they wait until after GSP defends against Alves. I think it’s bullshit for them to screw challengers who deserve their shot and have been waiting. The GSP/Silva fight (will happen cuz let’s face it, nobody out there can beat these guys but themselves. So provided that doesn’t happen, it will go down.) should happen at the end of 09 as Silva’s last of 6 remaining fights.

by Anthony on Oct 17, 2008 5:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

No way they wait until the end of 09. If GSP wins and Silva wins then they will fight each other in the very next fight. Dana won’t take the chance of an upset.

I think Thiago Alves could beat GSP though, he has the best shot at 170. No one at 185 touches Silva, except Hendo.

I want the Silva super fights to be against legends that are higher in weight, not GSP and BJ.

Fight Rampage, Wandy, Randy, Lesnar (lol yeah right), Fedor.

ps- I am not calling Lesnar a legend.

by mike on Oct 17, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think marquart is close to being ready for a rematch

by McArthur on Oct 17, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I totally agree. I think if Silva defends his title at MW (with some LHW fights as well) in his other 5 fights, then Silva – GSP would makes sense as his last fight for the MW championship. That also assumes that GSP defends his belt at WW, but I don’t see either of them losing to anyone else in their division. It would make for an amazing fight.

by GregC on Oct 17, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus, I’m glad that Dana is saying that and the reason why I bet is he knows that Anderson would smoke Penn because of the height and reach advantage not too mention Anderson is just way fucking better. So it would just be a pointless fight.

by Anthony on Oct 17, 2008 5:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Penn is my fav fighter and I hate to see him move up in weight even though gsp vs bj #2 is going to be an awesome fight. I would just like to see him stay at 155 and defend his title and be the best ever in that division. I think GSP would beat anderson, just due to gsp’s athletic ability, also I think gsp would be too quick for silva and take silva down for some gnp at will.

by rydinlow on Oct 17, 2008 5:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I kinda agree with dana on thin one, although it may be good on paper it doesnt make much sense!! Bj is podgy at 170 so to think a catch weight or even 185 is just obsurd!! Bj would be far too slow at a higher weight and lose any advantage he may have by doing so, therefor creating a super match up thats gony be a let down!!

GSP makes so much more sense simply because hes a bigger guy and has to cut weight to get to 170, so it wouldnt be a big prob to get to 185. Also there are too many big fights at 205 for the spider aswell!!

by mo on Oct 17, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t want to see gsp vs. a.silva. Anderson is huge in comparison, his striking is beyond what gsp can achieve at this point. Silva would maul him. the only way gsp beats anderson is if he can somehow rush for the takedown without eating any solid shots and somehow keep him down. he would have to do that in every round, which makes it much less likely to happen. he may be able to submit silva, but the longer it stays on the ground, the more danger gsp will be in for he can be submitted also…but anything can happen.

by killswitch on Oct 17, 2008 6:00 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Have you been watching GSP’s fights? He does rush for the takedowns without taking any shots. Serra and Fitch were taken down in the first couple of seconds. GSP can and does take everyone down in every round at will. Not many can take Fitch down. Almost everyone has taken Silva down easily. GSP will have no problem whatsoever taking Silva down. The question is, can he do damage to him on the ground? Silva suffered no more than a few hammer fists from Hendo, while spending the good part of a round under him.

by Gord on Oct 18, 2008 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BJ Penn holding 3 belts would be insane, P4P king without a doubt – he would be the king of nuthuggers

thing is – it is plausible :P

by jerrolds on Oct 17, 2008 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hahaha I agree jerrolds, it probably scares white that this crazy scenario is far from impossible, but if it comes down to it, why not let him vacate LW? It would be better anyway, its more exciting to have 2 even fighters having a back and forth battle over the LW belt, then some dominating guy who is a huge favorite in every fight.

by The Anomaly on Oct 17, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

anderson IMO could have at least 3 belts if he could get down to 170…

by McArthur on Oct 17, 2008 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“If” he could get down to 170? That would put too much strain on him physically. He would have trouble fighting at a true 185. that is why these guys weigh in the day before so they can binge and rehydrate their bodies. I used to cut weight to box and i can tell you, you feel like sh*t at weigh-in. you can’t wait to get some food and some IV’s going. I dont think he can drop 40 lbs before weigh in then fight the next day. that is 20 percent of his natural body weight. Besides, “If” is a waste of words, “If” your aunt had a D!ck, she’d be your uncle. Let’s try to keep the “Ifs” to a minimum.

by CLETIS on Oct 17, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless of who you think will win (GSP/Penn), the catch is if BJ Penn does prove he can beat GSP, why would you deny him the right to challenge the next up? That just doesnt seem right. I think most can agree that IF Penn can prove to be superior to GSP on Jan 31st, he’s earned it.

by The Anomaly on Oct 17, 2008 6:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

maybe dana has it in for gsp

by McArthur on Oct 17, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do not think that is very realistic, AT ALL.

by The Anomaly on Oct 17, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

dana dana dana why not? I just watched the penn vs. machida fight and i thought bj more then held his own and possibly won and that was against of the best lhw in the world i think the only reason he wont let bj fight him is because he knows bj has the best chance of anybody in the ufc to beat him, and dana doesnt want his number one pound for pound fighter a middleweight losing to a lightweight in bj penn

by matt on Oct 17, 2008 6:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree man, he did awesome in that machida fight considering the move up in weight. BJ has more than proved he can handle it against anybody. Fear is the only reason I can think of why Dana would pull a stunt like this and be that blatently unfair.

by The Anomaly on Oct 17, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think its the opposite. i don’t think dana wants his carasmatic boy boy BJ to lose…cause he’s not the one retiring

by McArthur on Oct 17, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

bj put up a good fight with machida, but he did lose, and he didnt look anything like the 155 bj. that fight was kinda boring actually, but i do think b.j. could fight well at 185 as long as he put on the right amount of muscle, not fat. plus he wouldnt be able to hold all 3 belts at the same time and defend them, that would be physically impossible. same with gsp, if he wins and challenges silva, he should give up the ww belt if he wins.

by b.w. on Oct 17, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the fight is only for ww. BJ keeps the light weight strap no matter what

by MMAMaSS on Oct 17, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thats a good point! i see what you mean but still dont think thats something to stop them from fighting. i think its more along the lines of the change in weight thing… but i do think since they’re gonna let gsp move up, why not let bj? it wasnt too long ago when bj was a welterweight! it would be hard for bj to make that move because he’d need to add the weight properly but i think that ultimatly it should be up to bj(assuming he wins against gsp).

by allamerican on Oct 17, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Using your arguement, he doesnt want BJ to get destroyed by Anderson cause bj is not retiring and would like to keep him somewhat of a poster boy? Then why put GSP agaisnt Anderson? GSP is not teh one retiring either.

by The Anomaly on Oct 17, 2008 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

P.S. My response above this was in reply to “McARTHER”

by The Anomaly on Oct 17, 2008 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bingo!

by Gord on Oct 18, 2008 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ha ha ha. BJ would be destroyed and has NO CHANCE

by MMAMaSS on Oct 17, 2008 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont care who gets destroyed, i just wanna see the best fighters fight!!! where in mass are you from?

by allamerican on Oct 17, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

^bad boy^

by McArthur on Oct 17, 2008 6:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m saying it now, if gsp beats Penn and gsp gets a shot at the spyder… I still see the spyder winning. I know gsp is probably one of, if not the most athletic person in the sport, but I have NEVER seen somebody who is so comfortable in the cage as, Anderson Silva. I think the spyder will retire from the ufc as an un-beaten champion. mark my words!! write it down if you have to, but I have said it!!!

by allamerican on Oct 17, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol well it’s not that far of a stretch to believe it!

by MikeD on Oct 17, 2008 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is the reason the UFC should have an open weight Grand Prix. You could see guys who can fight at many different weight classes like Hendo, A. Silva, W. Silva, BJ, Big Nog, GSP fight tournament style with no belts having to be given up.

by efisher on Oct 17, 2008 6:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

thats actually a great idea, but the ahtletic commisions here in the states wont go for tournament style events. too bad, an open weight gpx for 185 on down would be awesome and nobody loses their belt. one for the lhws and hws would be cool too.

by b.w. on Oct 17, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think i just came thinking about that, imagine shogun beating anderson silva, rampage, and chuck lidell all in the same tourney? im dreeeeaming

by brendan on Oct 17, 2008 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn’t want to see it happen anyways, Anderson should go to 205, BJ can stay at 170 and 155, then that leaves GSP to go to 185 if he desires.

2 weight classes of domination is enough for any great fighter in today’s UFC, having 3 belts would be a nightmare since you would have trouble defending each of them once a year.

by DirtyML on Oct 17, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Reason being is the massive weight differance. Dana knowsthat BJ’s walking weight is around 170 lbs. And Anderson’s weight is somewhere like 210. Thats a huge huge differance.

by hank on Oct 17, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is the reason they should have an open weight Grand Prix. There are several guys who can fight at multiple weight classes like Hendo, Anders and Wandy Silva, BJ, Nog & GSP who could fight an open weight tournament, and without champs putting their belts on the line.

by efisher on Oct 17, 2008 7:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I’d like to see BJ, GSP, or Silva fight Dana. He could use a good ass beatin’. I know, I know, I know! He’s been great for MMA but he’s so damn arrogant that I would enjoy watching him get choked out.

by Greggo on Oct 17, 2008 7:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like the IDEA of GSP/Silva, but I don’t think that’d work out in reality. GSP’s incredbile, and I know AS’s had trouble w/ fighters w/ good ground game, but I don’t see GSP getting a win vs. him. And I know BJ wants to prove he’s the best, but I think 185 too big for him, esp. considering the difference btwn. their non-fighting weights.

by Dayman Fan on Oct 17, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Dana is wrong. If GSP gets owned by Penn, who wouldn’t want to see 2 of the best p4p fighters go at it. B.J. needs to become the first person to win 3 titles in 3 weight classes :D

by sbud on Oct 17, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i wish i could make smiley faces… :(

how do you do it???

by medecine balls on Oct 17, 2008 9:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh nevermind, i totally just did it! :) thats it? WORD!

by medecine balls on Oct 17, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Dana wants BJ v Faber instead.

by KS on Oct 17, 2008 8:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

GSP can beat Silva if anyone can. BJ moved down to lightweight for a reason and now its gone to his head. I say GSP beats BJ via TKO and then goes on to pull the upset against Silva (betting odds: Silva -250). Cote doesn’t even come close to making reasonable doubt.

by Spitforce on Oct 17, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dear Dana White: You have done so much for this sport, but fuck you! Let me see this!

by medecine balls on Oct 17, 2008 9:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if BJ beats GSP convincingly then it makes him the only guy sub 205 with any chance of beating the spider bar perhaps hendo

amazed i managed to type that with BJs nuts in my mouth

BJ is the only guy who has silva in any area… if he can somehow get it to the ground then penns BJJ should be slightly better than anderssons

BJ definitely stands a better chance than cote would

by bigjohn on Oct 17, 2008 10:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

listen i think BJ would get embarrassed that’s why that fight should never happen.. the physical difference would be HUGE, Anderson is much bigger and a much better striker he would manhandle him and knock him out! if you want someone to beat Anderson Silva that guy would for sure be Thiago Silva! I also think it’s a the UFC is taking when they make that fight, it’s a lose-lose situation..

by RoB on Oct 17, 2008 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

NO, Silva is a BLACK BELT BJJ and slick as hell, BJ has nothing on him. GSP is the one who has something on Silva. GSP owns EVERYONE with the best wrestling in MMA.

by Gord on Oct 18, 2008 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dana is wasting one of his few fights with silva that he has left letting cote fight him. if hes gonna retire, let him fight the best before he leaves. if someone thinks cote really deserves a chance, think of the top 3 mw’s not named silva, now tell me how many of them cote has beat to earn a shot. my three are hendo, marquardt, and franklin. how in hell did cote earn a shot without beating these guys. DANA WHITE, DONT WASTE THE FEW REMAINING FIGHTS ON SILVAS CONTRACTS WITH AVERAGE FIGHTERS, LET US SEE HIM UP AGAINST THE BEST.

by CLETIS on Oct 17, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Silva is much bigger than GSP so although I think GSP will kill BJ and knock him back in to reality, I don’t think GSP can beat Silva. What about Silva vs Rashhard ?

by Bigmcmac on Oct 17, 2008 10:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thiago Silva beats all of them..

by RoB on Oct 17, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BJ has a better chance of beating Anderson then GSP

by suck my nutz on Oct 17, 2008 11:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I doubt GSP will kill BJ, he couldn’t finish Fitch and he had plenty of chances to do so, now some of that is Fitch’s heart, but not all of it. He has no room for error against BJ or he will loose. I think the person who makes the first mistake looses.

by parks1 on Oct 17, 2008 11:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i do not agree, they’re both so good that there won’t be any big mistakes.. but the guy that takes control will be the one that’s gonna win and the diffrence should be that GSP is a world class athlete and BJ’s not..

by RoB on Oct 17, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GSP ownes Rashad in wrestling and neither are going to beat Silva standing, so how would Rashad fair better. Size don’t mean much to a great wrestler who is a master at using leverage to his advantage.

by Gord on Oct 18, 2008 2:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bj would seriously mess up the three divisions if he got into middleweight. Look how long TuF coaches are forced to stay on the sidelines after their wins to become coaches. I think Bj vs Silva would be fking awesome though however.

by Louis on Oct 18, 2008 12:32 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

dana is protecting silvas ass… he dont want a kimbo … a 155 killin a 85…. danas a bitch… if he beats gsp he cant but gsp wins he can… a load of crap…. whats the diff…. jus the name….dana is a bitch

by LOCAL BOI on Oct 18, 2008 12:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gsp has a much better chance than penn at beating the spider for one simple reason. Yes penn has amazing take down defense similar to gsp’s but his wrestling is lame compared to gsp, gsp was taking down rashad who’s a wrestler and better build than silva at will, does anyone realize that. For penn to win he would have to take silva to the ground which I doubt he could and would get picked apart effortlessly by silva all night. Styles make fights and penn/silva is a poor match up. gsp and silva is the best match up and the most interesting one for me because I’ve seen gsp fight penn already and feel confident he’d beat him again but the silva/gsp fight could be the fight of the year. Gsp’s last 3 or 4 fights are a lot more impressive to me than penns fights, I wasn’t too impressed with his fight with sherk and if that penn comes in to fight gsp he’ll lose. I think gsp has a better chance than anyone who’s ever fought him, I think he has the right style to give silva problems. spider is the best striker by far of the three, gsp is the best wrestler, and penn is the best off his back and at submissions. Every guy I’ve seen fight silva had a shitty game plan except lutter but gsp is better in all area’s except subs than him. I honestly don’t know who would win between the spider and gsp but am a lot more excited about that fight than gsp fighting the over rated penn. I feel gsp takes penn much easier this time,it will be a tough fight but I think he’ll clearly win.

by nathan on Oct 18, 2008 1:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BJ wants the biggest fights possible. If he beats GSP, he’s not going to leave Dana alone about it.

I think he’ll have to defend his LW belt at least one more time before Dana even considers it, though.

by R-Dizzle on Oct 18, 2008 7:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

BJ wants the biggest fights possible. If he beats GSP, he’s not going to leave Dana alone about it.

I think he’ll have to defend his LW belt at least one more time before Dana even considers it, though.

by R-Dizzle on Oct 18, 2008 7:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It doesn’t matter who can beat who in the contests of GSP, Penn and Silva. The fact of the matter is this: the UFC should be about letting anyone fight anyone in order to see who the best fighter is in the world in any given weight class and in between weight classes. Dana White should not be given so much control in terms of who should be fighting who. If BJ wants to fight Silva and Silva wants to fight BJ, then let them do it; quite frankly it should be none of Dana White’s business. He should stop getting so involved with individual fights and focus on the big picture. Next thing you’ll see, he’ll be telling GSP not to take Silva to the ground; he’ll give him a bonus to strike with him. Just my 2 cents…

by Justin on Oct 18, 2008 10:37 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, If BJ beats GSP, why no let him fight the guy who is called the best p4p fighter in the world. I think if BJ took silva down he could win, the spider doesn’t have the best take down defense. The problem is BJ has to get in the clinch to do it, and that’s a bad idea.

by parks1 on Oct 18, 2008 11:14 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ACTUALLY i WOULD LOVE TO SEE A WINNER STAYS IN…

1 ROUND HW champ vs Lhw Champ
2 Round Winner above vs Middle weight Champ
3 Round winner above vs Welter Weight Champ
4 round Winner above vs Light weight champ

ONly one round per bout winner stays…….

so its like…
Nog vs Griffin
Griffin vs Silva
Silva vs Gsp
Silva vs BJ

What a wicked 4 rounds of action

by omg on Oct 18, 2008 4:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

k, i am rooting for gsp, and want to see him fight silva. Basically, anything can happen, but I got a question. Can somebody find me somebody in the MMA with a losing record. Researched, and everyone has a winning record. Lowest record i found was a .500 record.

by Chris on Jan 13, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

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