Seth Petruzelli: Elite XC 'didn't want me to take' Kimbo Slice down
by James Iannotti on Oct 6, 2008 4:14 PM EDT
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Props: Real Radio 104.1
Quoteworthy:
"My original plan was to throw out push kicks, have him think that I'm gonna throw them more, and then to shoot in on him, obviously. But the promoters kind of hinted to me, and they gave me the money to stand and trade with him. They didn't want me to take him down, let's just put it that way. It was worth my while to try to stand up and punch with him."
Not like it matters now, but Elite XC fighter Seth Petruzelli talks about the promotion "hinting" to keep his fight against Kimbo Slice this past Saturday night standing rather than to try and take the street brawler to the ground. He ended up ending the fight standing in just 14 seconds. "The Silverback" indicated that he was paid "six figures" to take the fight against Slice, which is a nice payday for the former contestant on The Ultimate Fighter. The interview took place today on "The Monsters in the Morning" -- a popular Orlando radio program in which Petruzelli is a regular guest to discuss mixed martial arts -- on Real Radio 104.1. It's a very interesting listen to say the least.
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Hinting to keep it standing? Man, that’s shady dealings right there. I like the fighters Pro Elite/EXC have like Cung Le, Lawler, Mendez, Shields, and others…but to push a style one way or the other to boost ‘appeal’..thats shady. Its like the commissioner of the NFL to tell teams to abandon the run game because its too smashmouth and people want to see fast paced high scoring football through the air.
garbage.
by TabascoSAUCE on Oct 6, 2008 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
le, mendez are strikeforce…pertucelli is so awesome for saying this:
once again THANK YOU SETH PETROCELLI!!!!!!
by kevin doesn't know shit on Oct 6, 2008 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Elite XC fixes fights on a regular basis. I’m pretty sure this is the first of many exposures when it comes to Elite XC fixing fights. Imagine what they tell Gina carano’s opponents…
by The Negation on Oct 6, 2008 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still haven’t gotten over Jake Shields 1 armed choke against Thompson. That looked rigged as all get up.
by LJ on Oct 6, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What was also bad was when the ref stood Arlovski and Nelson up when Nelson had a dominant position on the ground.. It’s obvious that they had told the ref and paid him before the fight to stand them up if Arlovski was on his back! it’s total corrupction just like in olympic wrestling
by RoB on Oct 6, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At least they didn’t tell Seth to go out, fall down and tap out like they told Bo Cantrell when he fought kimbo
by sac165 on Oct 6, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No doupt they should have their promoter licences revoked this is bull shit.
by Ro-J on Oct 7, 2008 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MANY of us (ESPECIALLY KEVIN) have always hinted at the possibility that the promoters would encourage Kimbo’s opponents to keep the fight standing, like a “keep it standing bonus”.
I really can’t believe that Seth is speaking the truth about this. Elite is his employer and they just paid him more money than he has made in his entire life combined. He should enjoy he newfound fame and milk it for what its worth. NOT try and ruin any sort or pomoting that Elite may have had planned for him.
I wonder what the head hanchos at Elite had to say to James Thompson in regards to the 2nd round of thier fight…
by ViolentMike on Oct 7, 2008 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny….I recall many people here saying MMA needs elite XC for competition purposes and the sake of giving fighter more options…as to picking how you want your fights fixed! F*** elite xc! ive always knew they were BS org run by real shady promoters and now CBS is dipping their hand in the JAR!!…ratings my friends and you wonder why Dana has rejected and offer and negotiations from HBO and CBS…he knows they deal shady being a promoter himself…difference is he really loves MMA…or UFC should i say lol…better to have one reprent MMA 120% to their abilities than having 50 representatives that are only one foot in the door in this sport and are still very “iffy” about it.
by santiago69us on Oct 7, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’d think they’d put a “shut your mouth” clause in the contract… maybe next time.
by DJ on Oct 6, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does kind of make me wonder if they didn’t hint to Frank Shamrock to try and keep it standing with Cung lee for a few rounds as well. Maybe it wasn’t his ego that led to such a poor game plan.
by chuckjbt on Oct 6, 2008 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
say whatever you want, i am glad they did it. Its as if they picked kimbo’s poison for him. they exposed their own money man at his own game. bravo,bravo!!!!!!!!!
by CLETIS on Oct 6, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What horseshit??? Crooked ass elitexc. Not only to they try to give him the EASIEST, OLDEST, MOST GLASS JAWED, WEAK STRIKERS….now can add lower weight class…..
THEY PAY the opponent enough to make it worth his while NOT to take him down…..
I hope this promotion fails horribly. I am a huge mma fan, and personally think the competition benefits the fans as well. But what EliteXC is turning mma into is a f**king joke and insulting
by fightfan on Oct 6, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, well said. I too am a huge MMA fan and never thought MMA would get dirty. Always thought it was pure. After reading this I fell very hurt. Insulted that I may have fell for guys and fights being fixed. What greed. You take the best and purest sport in the world and try to ruin it with GREED. Thanks Elite! ASS HOLES!
by iagoof22 on Oct 6, 2008 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not like the commission would investigate. They were in on it with them when it came to Gina at the weigh-ins, sports bra that weighed 1.75lbs my ass. And wasn’t the point of the 1 lbs allowance to account for clothing? Anyways, also Seth said he made 6 figures but sherdog has it at 50k plus 15K win bonus. I found that strange. Aren’t they suppose to disclose the full amount?
by NameNotRequired on Oct 6, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They do not disclose fighter bonus’ and under the table agreements. I don’t think they would want to show that they paid him 100k which shows they are wasting money paying him to take a fall.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Oct 6, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, they did a gate of $826,433 and the disclosed payroll was $1,316,000. From what you say there is another 100k or so to be added. There weren’t as many advertisers as the first show and CBS got more shares from Elite. The commission’s “cut” and operating costs make this as bad as Affliction Banned’s loss.
by NameNotRequired on Oct 6, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow and half that mil alone went to Kimbo. Seriously bad way to spend half a mil. I think they may siphon Kimbo’s dollars and give them to Tito if needed.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Oct 6, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not sure how other people first responded when they read this, but I found my self not suprised either. In fact I doubt I will ever watch Elite XC again. Probably just catch the replays on the internet if they seem to be great. Why support an org. that is bringing such a bad reputation to the sport?
by Djs3467 on Oct 6, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the UFC doing this too? If it’s not a real competition, than I have no interest in watching mma either.
by paco on Oct 6, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the UFC is doing this, Paco. They’ve been around a lot longer than XC and have had plenty of results that I’m sure Dana didn’t want. We’ve never heard fighters say things like what Seth said. Matches have seemed so shady in XC’s short existence and everything they do seems contrived. I believe they are one of the few corrupt.
by RedDog on Oct 7, 2008 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I’ve been saying it for years that Dana must be telling/paying Liddell’s opponents to keep it standing. If you look at a lot of Liddell’s fights (the ones after he lost to Couture) his opponents all say something like “I’m gonna stand and bang with Chuck”, including the wrestlers and BJJ artists (e.g. Jeremy Horn, Couture II & III, Babalu). Why would you go that route if you know Chuck has KO power and your bread&butter is wrestling or submissions???
Sure you can make the argument that Chuck has great takedown defence. True, but it all looks suspect. Notice how Chucky’s last 3 losses were all due to strikers.
by cbchwa on Oct 7, 2008 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the UFC was fixing fights they sure wouldn’t have had Rashad Evans knock out Chuck. Rashad is more of wrestler than a striker, so you can’t say his last 3 losses were to strikers. Not to mention, his last win was against Wandy, who is a great striker.
by naturalshadow on Oct 7, 2008 3:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point naturalshadow. Rashad is a wrestler and not a stiker. However, the fact that Rashad decided to stand and strike with Chuck proves my original point.
It’s as if Dana paid them extra money on the side to stand and bang with Chuck. This indicates that Chuck has no ground game (yeah yeah, they really emphasize that Chuck is fantastic in wrestling and submissions but nobody will ever know because he hates going to the ground) so if you take Chuck down the probability of him losing is significantly higher. But if you stand and bang with Chuck, he can still lose but most likely not. It’s all about probabilities!
by cbchwa on Oct 7, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude, do you know what a sprawl is> LOL, Chuck has one of the best if not the best sprawl in MMA. Horn tried to take him down and was stuffed several times. You know very little about MMA> LOL, Schmuck!
by UFC Is Clean on Oct 12, 2008 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fights have always seemed crooked, this is just the tip of the iceberg I think. They might as well call this crap the WWF and start breaking chairs over everyones heads.
by Cantrim on Oct 7, 2008 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, he’s biting the hand that feeds him already?
by Rain on Oct 6, 2008 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if it is true he should have kept his mouth shut they just paid him 6 figures and he is bound to make more money with them but saying things like that may hurt the company he works for or get him thrown out. i love free mma but i won’t watch shit that is fixed.
by roy on Oct 6, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was Seth even working for EXC. From my knowledge he was not and was hired on the spot for this fight. Lol big mistake because he just extended a hand back to the UFC. Seth is saying UFC I just skewered the EXC, please let me come fight for you.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Oct 6, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am wrong and he signed an extended deal with EXC, but I still would like to see how they react to him letting this leak.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Oct 6, 2008 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was fighting on the undercard already from what I gathered.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 6, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you some sort of a dumb@$$? You have a problem with somebody reporting the truth on the underhanded crap that EliteXC pulls all the time? This is a good thing because if Petruzelli gets in trouble with EliteXC for telling us about how they fix things then it will prove even more that they are a shady underhanded company.
Personally, I would rather watch competitive organizations that play by the rules where anything can happen. And to clear something up… fixing a fight entails “ANY KIND OF MANIPULATION BY THE ORGANIZATION TO AFFECT THE OUTCOME OF THE COMPETITION.” This is an official definition of fixing a fight used by all Athletic Commissions.
Since EliteXC was trying to influence the outcome of the fight by paying Petruzelli to play to the advantages of his opponent, they were in essence fixing the fight. This is not as obvious as paying somebody to take a dive but if you tell somebody to abandon their gameplan then you are manipulating the fight in some way and that is fucked up!
by sdow on Oct 6, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn’t a fix. Was it ethical? No. You don’t think this goes on in UFC? The bosses just wanted them to stand up and bang cause that’s what Kimbo does.
By letting this information out, especially in the manner he did, like you would assume the fight is “fixed.”
by Rain on Oct 6, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you don’t read very well do you? If that’s the definition that the SACs use and if Seth is telling the truth, then it was fixed. Maybe not by your definition, but by the SACs’ definition.
by Joe Smith on Oct 6, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“They just wanted them to stand up and bang cause that’s what Kimbo does.”
Are you f’in serious, man? Are you seriously defending this? If most “MMA fans” thought the way you did, this sport would be freakin’ doomed.
by SkeletonKey on Oct 6, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, this takes place in the UFC too? Nevermind, I’m cool with it then.
Great argument…
by SkeletonKey on Oct 6, 2008 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rain, You my friend are a Complete FUCKTARD if think telling someone how or how not is not in fact FIXING a fight. Everyone is now DUMBBER FOR HAVING READ YOUR COMMENT…..YOU ARE AWARDED NO POINTS….AND MAY GOD HAVE MERCY ON YOUR SOUL!!!!!
by IrishHammer on Oct 7, 2008 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow..Elite was trying to protect there MMA$$ Machine.. hey. They chose their poison.. Props to Ken Shamrock.. cuz if it wasn’t for him.. " training ".. the day of his fight. We MMA fans weren’t going to be treated to Seth.. disposing of Kimbo in 14 seconds flat.
by PhilQNY on Oct 6, 2008 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed….Much better for Shamrock. Instead of miserably getting his glass jaw cracked in seconds, he will now be remembered forever for EXPOSING the facade of Kimbo….and he DIDNT even have to get into the cage.
Now that is going out in style
by fightfan on Oct 6, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That isn’t trying to fix a fight or anything, is it?
by Tiger Mike on Oct 6, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If it was “fixed” Kimbo would have won. He didn’t. So no.
by MMAmania on Oct 6, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, they tried giving an advantage to Kimbo and his dismal strengths.
by MikeD on Oct 6, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It wasn’t fixed; it was leading the horse to water hoping to God he would drink and choke.
by dandeman on Oct 6, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to get banned for this or it won’t even get published but MMAMANIA you have been so biased this weekend. When did you get into bed with Elite XC – come on I have never seen such biased commentary.
It is such a shame as I love this site but you are so wrong on this Kimbo fight. He sucked he was always going to suck against a true MMA athlete and EliteXC sucks to. Just like Cage Rage over here in the UK.
Stop being an Elite XC and Kimbo nuthugger, somethings Dana and UFC do, they do right, just admit it.
by Nuts on Oct 6, 2008 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post, Nuts; I am simply shocked by how Mania has handled this XC weekend. His true colors shined through this weekend and now I feel this site is tainted. That’s a shame.
by RedDog on Oct 7, 2008 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You guys are nuts. I said Kimbo has class at the post-fight presser because he did not make any excuses and gave Seth credit for the win. I said he beats Seth 9 out 10 times — WOWEE — a bit of a stretch but a line I clearly didn’t give a second look after I typed it. Oh well. Then I say that the fight wasn’t outright fixed because I was not there to hear the conversation, which Petruzelli has since tried to clear up, and all of a sudden this site is tainted? Grow up. If it was fixed then of course it would be a total outrage. If you want to brand me a Kimbo nuthugger, which is absolutely ridiculous, then so be it. I don’t really care, which is the reason I let everyone go nuts over that silly line the other night. I really don’t care. It’s absolutely ridiculous to think that there is some kind of hidden agenda here. Why would I hitch my trailer to the EXC wagon after this weekend when I have never up until now? Gimme a break. Fortunately we have James who covers EXC for the most part and there’s a reason for it … I prefer not to.
by MMAmania on Oct 7, 2008 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m with ya mania, I don’t get how a poster might come to the conclusion you are unreasonalby biased FOR EliteXC, when the very thread they are posting on is one that is encouraging the idea of, and spreading incredibly negative news, about something that could very well ruin EliteXC.
by The Anomaly on Oct 7, 2008 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mania, there’s a reason why I’ve always come to this site first – it’s because of how well you guys stay on top of the latest stories, how well you, Mania, write the articles, and because you always seemed so objective. I shouldn’t have said “tainted” but the whole take on Kimbo just blew me away. It’s probably because I’ve always thought you were so on-point that your opinion of Kimbo disappointed me. But I know we’re all entitled to our own opinions. This will all soon pass.
Anomaly: Elite XC has only been around a short time and they are constantly shrowded in controversy. I don’t think this is a coincidence. There’s no one thing that Seth could say that would ruin XC. Trust me, they were on their way out long before this weekend. It didn’t help how we saw Jared Shaw acting in the background of the fight. As much as everyone has been speculating about how Dana White probably suggests the way that fighters should fight against his stars like Chuck Liddel (which I absolutely don’t believe), he NEVER acted like how we saw Jared Shaw acting in front of the world.
by RedDog on Oct 7, 2008 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Little does anyone know Kimbo Seth was a boxing match.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Oct 7, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They 100% tried to manipulate the outcome of the fight. The fight was fixed by the athletic commission standards and wouldn’t doubt if repercussions come from it.
by halljam2 on Oct 6, 2008 10:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would be a fixed match if Seth took a dive. But no, he just showed Slice the real deal…
by The Negator on Oct 6, 2008 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how so many people are just dismissing this as ‘no big deal’.
A fixed fight is NOT necessarily simply one fighter taking a dive for the fixer. Would you argue that the SAC paying a referee official a sum of money to ignore any illegal blows delivered by one fighter is not “fixing” a fight? How about if they allow a fighter who does not make weight to get into the cage anyways? Or maybe just not allowing one of the fighters the services of a cutman between rounds? Are any of these “taking a dive”? Obviously not, but make no mistake – they ARE considered tampering with a sanctioned bout and are, indeed, “fixes”.
I imagine paying a fighter under the table to not execute a game plan which would cost the company ridiculous amounts of money is legitimate somehow.
by SkeletonKey on Oct 6, 2008 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe Dana… paid Seth to make this statement. haha
by Grembone on Oct 6, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Hinting” What is this professional wrestling. So the fight was fixed.
by Chainlink on Oct 6, 2008 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No it was not fixed.. the promoters wanted Seth to satnd and just bang with Kimbo.. cuz that would of gave Kimbo an advantege over.. just being taken down by Seth and GnPd.
The fight was no fixed.. this was the worse case senario for Elite. .Kimbo’s mystic was how they were caking.
They crossed their fingers.. hollard at Seth to keep it standing.. that id not fixing a fight.. that is suggesting a gameplan…and that game plan blew up i ntheir face.. in about 14 seconds.. longer then it took me to respond to this comment.
No slick Arm bar..nah. No 3 round war. nah.. Kimbo got KTFO in 14 seconds flat.. and never got off a punch.
say bye bye to Kimbo’s mystic. The truth was going to catch up to him sooner or later.. and happened Saturday night.
thanks for being crazy MMA old timer.. and F’ up your skull.cuz without that happening.. this thread would of never exsisted.
by PhilQNY on Oct 6, 2008 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By all of you Kimbo haters – I give to you props PhilQNY – it’s the best/hilarious comment LMFAO
Let’s hope to see another Kimbo fight soon to see another “KTFO”
by Anger Jack on Oct 6, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go up and read the definition of fight fixing. Just because Kimbo did not win doesn’t mean fight fixing did not occur.
by halljam2 on Oct 6, 2008 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Im sure they told that to both fighters to stand and bang and both agreed, so i would think it would be equivilent to someone asking both basketball teams not to shoot any 3 pointers. It’s still a game where anyone could win.
by c-war on Oct 6, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good analogy there.It’s fixed if Seth took a dive…
by The Negation on Oct 6, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is it a game where anyone can win. Lets imagine one team makes more 3 points than the other while the other is better at the key but is terrible at threes. Asking both teams to not take threes is the equivilant of asking one team to play to the others advantage giving one team a higher probability of winning, hence the fight is not uneven and this is the reason steriods and addy were banned, it is giving an uneven edge to one party. This may not be fixing the fight but it is trying to force an outcome which is a shame that MMA is being associated to this. “We are coming closer and closer to boxing”
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Oct 6, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay do you think that Kimbo was actually thinking about taking Seth to the ground in the first place?
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 6, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When you pay a fighter more to STAND and hint NOT to take him down…..IT OBVIOUSLY is called a FIX.
Total bullshit.
by fightfan on Oct 6, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They stuck 205lbs man vs a 238lbs man ,and told the mma 205 do not try to take the 238 striker to the ground,it ,by definition,is not a fix ,but they tried their best to make it where Kimbo could not lose.Why did they not let Andre take the match an actual hw,cause they did not want Kimbo to lose ,they did not think that Seth could beat him standing that is why they gave Seth the match
by scott on Oct 6, 2008 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m intrested in hear what Dana White has to say about the whole Elite show.. and the Kimbo/Seth fight outcome.
by PhilQNY on Oct 6, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Shaw is f#ckin’ retarded”…“CBS is f#ckin’ stupid”…“Kimbo is a bum”…“Seth is a TUF reject”…“BJ Penn would beat anyone in Elite XC”…“The t-shirt guy was an idiot for putting AA on the show…even though AA couldn’t hang with UFC fighters, because he’s overrated”…“I’m the best”…“I’m the McDonald’s of MMA”…“look at me”…“love me”…“worship me”…“Anderson Silva is the best fighter to ever live”…“Fedor is overrated”…“Tito’s a bigheaded poopface”…etc…etc…
There. There is the next months worth of Dana White quotes for you.
by introvert on Oct 6, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like everything on there is true. Except for Fedor being overrated.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Oct 6, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AA put on some good work thru the UFC. He did well for a while. Styles make fights. Thats how is goes. If they dont want you around any longer, they will start putting you against fighters that make your style much less effective. Thats what happened to him.. and many others really.
by enzo-enormous on Oct 6, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction, everything on there is true but the Fedor and AA part.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Oct 6, 2008 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Introvert-
Don’t be upset because your previous posts on the glory of EliteXC and Kimbo have been discredited.
Quoting DW’s potty mouth is not original or witty on your part.
Truth!!!
by OJR on Oct 6, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana’s a douche – he already said before the fight that Kimbo sucks; I’m sure he will have a heyday with a big grin on his big mouth of his
by Anger Jack on Oct 6, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yes – he is a douche bag because he has been bad-mouthing some of the best fighters in the world: Fedor, RC, Sylvia, Ortiz.
Get real – he’s just saying this **** to make other organizations look bad (low blows considering that other promotions do not disrespect Whitys lil playground)
by Anger Jack on Oct 6, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But Dana has been proven right everytime. Dana wins once again. Other orgs suck and will go out of business. Meanwhile Dana laughs all the way to the bank as UFC is king.
by Dos on Oct 6, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, he called Ortiz down when Ortiz still worked for the UFC, so it’s got nothing to do with other organizations.
by Freddy on Oct 6, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but he did after Tito and him got in to a argument. Not before, while they were working together… think about it.
I agree with you Dos.
by enzo-enormous on Oct 6, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you too, Dos. All these Dana haters (I don’t care for Dana as a person but I don’t really care as long as he keeps up the good work with the UFC) are just pissed because Dana is probably still laughing from this weekend….all the way to the bank.
by RedDog on Oct 7, 2008 12:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s amazing at all of the people who usually trash the UFC for supposed “shady dealings” yet you never hear about Dana pulling crap like this.
by Mike on Oct 6, 2008 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think every promotion does it….They jsut disguise it a HELL Of a LOT better. They dont actually pay a fighter MORE to STAND and tell him you are getting paid more to stand NOT to take it to the ground.
The UFC does it with Bisping. He is getting the Slice treatment, making all if the UK, along with some US fans into thinking Bisping is some great striker….But all you have to do is look at all the fighters he fought(all one dimesionsal BJJ or grappler or C level fighter…NO good strikers or GOOD fighters, period)
by fightfan on Oct 6, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do some ppl turn everything into a Bisping bashing?! Give him a break and see how he does against Leben. It’s not him picking the fights, he hasnt fought the top guys yet cos he’s still relatively new to the UFC. If he was fighting the top guys you’d be first to complain he doesnt deserve to fight them!
by Hugh on Oct 6, 2008 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fightfan: Bisping is by trade a kickboxer and everybody says that grappling is his weak point. I’m sure Bisping would rather fight Leben type fighters than grapplers.
I’m sure even you have heard of a certain Rashad Evans? No good fighters? Ask Chuck!
by MoonUK on Oct 6, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he faught rashad who knocked out liddel (a fairly well known and good striker) did he not?
by james on Oct 6, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Kimbo wants to just stand up and bang. then he should be Boxing. not fighting in a MMA promotion.
by Salatious on Oct 6, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if kimbo did boxing he would get murdered, not to mention the $ wouldnt be there for him, since he comes from no rulz backyard fighting, its an easier sell in mma where the public thinks there are basically few or now rules.
Either way, Kimbo blows, im happy for Seth. It seems Elite XC doesnt know anything about fighting either, b/c Seth is not a ground fighter. Even on tuf 2 and his ufc fights his only real weapon was his stand up. This guy always fights well against larger fighters, he beat Bob Sapp a few years back.
by Bobby o'shea on Oct 6, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Sapp knocked out Seth in the first round, not the other way around.
I want to see the Bob Sapp Kimbo Slice fight.
by mike on Oct 6, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he might want to go that way just fight in the all name no game circuit sapp, butterbean, etc.
by roy on Oct 6, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike is right but Sapp was Knocked silly by Seth first…..then it looked like Seth tore a bicep or something.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o09hrKJzYKo
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 6, 2008 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike is right Sapp got floored first but it looked like Seth tore his bicep or something. Its on youtube but evertime i paste the link i get moderated.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 6, 2008 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bob Sapp won.. Seth dislocated his shoulder
by RoB on Oct 6, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually what happened was Seth took a shot to his neck which temporarily put his arm to sleep. Kind of like a funny bone shot. That’s why he looked so confused when the fight was ended. He actually put Sapp down before the stinger.
by guitargod on Oct 8, 2008 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boxers would eat him alive! It would be worse than MMA.
by Robert on Oct 6, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not surprised either but I have a question? How and why does Bas Rutten get involved in something like this? I mean is he training Kimbo just for the money or does he actually think he can turn Kimbo into a good fighter? Because by all indications of everybody that knows MMA Kimbo is just not that good in aspects of MMA. He is not a good striker due to the fact that the first time he fought a decent fighter that actually stood and traded with him he got knocked out like silly. What would anybody in the top 30 of any org do to the same guys kimbo fought in backyards????
by Robert on Oct 6, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Answer is simply money…and Elite, along with Bas want you to beleive this facade that kimbo is some kind of threat in mma.
And has anyone seen the guys Kimbo fought in “back yards”?? they were fat and out of shape bums. When people like Joe Riggs called and said he would fight him, Kimbo’s guys said no quicker than flies to shit….and once he was exposed by weak ass Gannon…..game was up
by fightfan on Oct 6, 2008 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think bas is a very good commentator and is a legend of the sport, but he is very overated as a trainer.
by b.w. on Oct 6, 2008 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although it wasn’t a “fix,” Elite definitely wanted Slice to have the advantage and not be at anytime in a vulnerable position. Oops! Seth, you’re the man.
by the_mexicutioner on Oct 6, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this pretty much sums up elite and kimbo as to where they stand. “hinting to keep the fight standing” is as close to fixing a fight as there is. im sure they knew tank wasnt gonna go for the take down and probably didnt think thompsom was either. it was obvious to me that bo cantrell took a dive (he ws tapping before he hit the mat) and ken sure was talkin alot about trading with kimbo, even though he had been koed in the irst rnd in his last 5 fights. c’mon! this is absurd! good for seth! he was asked a question and he was honest. elite needs to get rid of the shaws if they ever want to be repectable. (gary is still a “consultant”).this sounds like somethink straight out of don kings playbook.
by b.w. on Oct 6, 2008 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
" It was worth my while to try to stand up and punch with him."
Maybe this is a sign that EliteXC wanted Seth to win? Haha … no probably not.
by DirtyML on Oct 6, 2008 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so they were bribing him thinking kimbo would knock him out….thats dirty…..haha it all backfired on them…
by skoler12 on Oct 6, 2008 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
another thing that makes elite xc look like they fix fights with this and the controversial stoppage os james thompson god knows how many fights were fixed
by bryant on Oct 6, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This revelation really makes me wonder about the previous EliteXC shows now. This really opens up a lot of questions about the odd calls on the premiere show and can’t do anything to help the existing controversy that surrounded Dan Miragliotta in Kimbo’s last fight. I’m not claiming he did anything wrong, but it definitely seems like more a possibility now.
by Hauler on Oct 6, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am sure if the PROMOTER, being $kala screaming along cageside may of influenced Big Dan….Imagine if Dana White was along the cage SCREAMING and SCREAMING for a stand up…I’ll bet teh stand up would come a little quicker than if he were not there
by fightfan on Oct 6, 2008 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the truth has been REVEALED! Bravo Seth! Expose the Corruption before it ruins our sport. I am glad that Kimbo lost now. Not only is it better for him in the sense that he will learn to improve his entire game (especially with that battle against James Thompson), but the EliteXC officials are exposed for trying to fix the fight. I love it. Kimbos next fight should be Sean Gannon. He would be motivated for that fight. Giving him Shamrock would only hurt his progress as a fighter IMO.
by RyanHobbs on Oct 6, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan, you post on mmaj@#nkie too, huh? I hate that site
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 6, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha yeah I do. I just come to discuss MMA so wherever the news is, ya know.
by RyanHobbs on Oct 6, 2008 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You always have good unbiased post which is a rarety
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 6, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they’re saying kimbo got 500 grand for the loss at mmaweekly, holy crap thats like more than 99 percent of the ufc fighters.
by markg on Oct 6, 2008 4:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow it took $500 grand for him to fight a SMALLER, just average striker…..He got what $150-$200 for his last couple of fights????
That is insulting.
by fightfan on Oct 6, 2008 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he got $500,000 for a 14 sec. fight, thats a hourly rate of $1,284,000,000 per hour. Some one check my math!
by Tiger Mike on Oct 6, 2008 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are wrong it is $128,571,428.57 per hr. Sorry but that is still a crap load of money
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 6, 2008 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take off my shoes and socks to count next time.
by Tiger Mike on Oct 6, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you said to check your math….. otherwise I wouldn’t have
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 6, 2008 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had no idea Seth’s weight was 205 1/2. When I saw that I couldn’t believe that Elite XC or anyone for that matter would have THAT as the main fight. The fight was FIXED per say, but come on! Obviously Elite XC has to go to take a MMA 101 class because they thought a guy like Seth wouldn’t stand a chance. I’m so happy things turned out this way and hopefully people start realizing that Elite XC is not a legit MMA company and is only giving MMA a bad reputation. Also, I had heard of Jake Shields but I had never seen him fight. I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw the him being a WW champ couldn’t even do an Arm Bar. His ARMBAR attempts were so sloppy it was sad. A guy like this would get owned by any WW in the UFC and in the UFC LW’s for kick his ass. Elite XC is a joke. They should eliminate everything exept for the women’s competition.
by Don on Oct 6, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jake Shields getting owned by any WW in the UFC?… I tell u that was the worst I’ve ever seen him look… but u should look at his record and some of the guys he’s beaten… his stand up sucked, but he knows how to win, I think he’d do pretty good in the UFC.
by THORAZINE on Oct 7, 2008 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You never seen Jake Shield fight? When did you start watching MMA and when did you start blogging about it????
If Jake was in the UFC, he would be a Top 3 WW. Yes boys and girls, I have Jake ranked higher than Kurly Kos.
Jake did look a little sloppy there, but he was allowed to be sloppy because his ground game is that much superior to Daley’s and most other fighters. Before making retawded statements, know what you are talking about.
I’d also imagine that you cried yourself to sleep when you saw Kimbo lose because he is the greatest MMArtist ever, right?
by ViolentMike on Oct 7, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So they’re doing the Pride shit? and Kimbo+AA cost a Million bucks… that doesn’t even cover the Gate costs.
by sbud on Oct 6, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
actually, AA was paid by Affliction. But I agree, very expensive.
by Bill Maher on Oct 6, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can EliteXC get in trouble with the Nevada State Athletic Commission for this??? I don’t know much about the legality issues pertaining to this. It just seems like this is unethical. Maybe I’m just naive, but I always thought fighters were never hinted/coerced/encouraged, whatever word you want to use, and they went in their with their own game plan. I think this kinda practice by MMA corporate executives should be illegal.
by DaneJa!260 on Oct 6, 2008 5:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont know that the nsac has any authority over florida. it would be up to their own states ac i would think.
by b.w. on Oct 6, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, thats true. I forgot it wasn’t in Nevada. I guess with each state having its own rules, promoters can do whatever they want. To regulate or not to regulate… that is the question.
by DaneJa!260 on Oct 6, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm…..Let me throw out a wild theory here. XC asked Shamrock to keep it standing and he said no. In fact it pissed him off so much that he bails on the fight. Impossible? I think not.
by A Lynch on Oct 6, 2008 5:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also look at the weights Shamrock was 205 1/2 lbs ,and Seth was 205 1/2 looks like to me they wanted this fight to be against a lhw ,because last time on CBS a crappy hw held him down and he looked bad,so give him a lhw and make him stay on his feet and ,in their thoughts,an exciting Kimbo finish,Kimbo looks great to the common fan that does not have a clue,so EXC wins
by scott on Oct 6, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to disagree with you guys. Ken has way too much pride and ego for that. I think if that was the case he would have LOVED to play the role of spoiler! Just to shut everyone the F up and to stick it to Elite for offering him a fight he viewed as a joke. I think if that was offered, he would have done his best not to just beat Kimbo, but HUMILIATE him.
by chefdaddy on Oct 7, 2008 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ALSO, to disprove your theory, DID YOU SEE SHAMROCK’S LEFT EYEBROW? He did indeed have stitches.
by ViolentMike on Oct 7, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo took a dive, straight up… there is no way that a punch like that would knock him down.
I can almost guarantee he had somebody place a huge bet against him, so he probably cashed in a few hundred thousand more on that fight.
by Jason on Oct 6, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There was no way that there was time to coordinate that. I doubt that there were any lines avaiable.
by DDT on Oct 6, 2008 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were lines open……. but Seth does hit hard, I know it isn’t the best exaple but Seth Knoced Bob Sapp silly with a left cross with K1 gloves on. Sapp won but due to A torn bicep or something.
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 6, 2008 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PSYQO – WHAT WERE THE ODDS adn where did you see them??? I have been asking for days.
by ViolentMike on Oct 7, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the odds were somewhere around Seth +400
by guitargod on Oct 8, 2008 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason’s got it right. Kimbo is a hack but to go down with that kind of a punch from that kind of a fighter is ridiculous. It looked exactly like Seth was going with Elite’s plan but he got a great little jab into Kimbo’s nose. I guess that was all Slice needed to say, “I’m outta here.”
Kimbo’s been hit harder than that. What was he expecting from Shamrock?? A little bit of light sparring? As far as being prepared for boxing: It’s MMA. Prepare yourself for EVERYTHING. Punches, kicks, knees, elbows, grappling, takedowns. Geez, take a look at a Uraih Faber fight. That little guy could probably take down Slice with all the techniques he knows.
Something’s not right here.
by JohnnyQ48 on Oct 6, 2008 5:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE, THE UFC HAS NEVER DONE THIS
lol
by Bill Maher on Oct 6, 2008 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Petruzelli weighed in at 205.5 and was scheduled to fight Rosa in a LHW fight. I’m thinking if he had come in at 204.5 he would not have been allowed by the commission to fight at HW.
Can anyone confirm that? If so, XC had only two choices:
Scratch or Kimbo v. Petruzelli
If that is correct, Seth has to be ecstatic about the extra pound.
by SaVaGe on Oct 6, 2008 5:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or Arlovski or Nelson, but I think the idea was to give Kimbo a win and Nelson would have submitted him and Arlovski would have KO’ed Kimbo.
by DirtyML on Oct 6, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could have easily weighed in pre-fight.
by DDT on Oct 6, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the huge irony is that they asked a full contact karate master to stand with a street figher. they should have hinted him to go to the ground. haha
by Bill Maher on Oct 6, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally, I would rather watch competitive organizations that play by the rules where anything can happen. And to clear something up… fixing a fight entails "ANY KIND OF MANIPULATION BY THE ORGANIZATION TO AFFECT THE OUTCOME OF THE COMPETITION." This is an official definition of fixing a fight used by all Athletic Commissions.
Since EliteXC was trying to influence the outcome of the fight by paying Petruzelli to play to the advantages of his opponent, they were in essence fixing the fight. This is not as obvious as paying somebody to take a dive but if you tell somebody to abandon their gameplan then you are manipulating the fight in some way and that is fucked up!
by sdow on Oct 6, 2008 5:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With that definition you could see some legal implications for EliteXC. Was it a fix in the classic “take a dive sense” no. Was it a hey fight like this or we’ll talk to someone else and no money for you, yes
by staples on Oct 6, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man this is bull-crap! I watch mma because it’s as “real” as it gets! This is right up there with fixing a fight or paying a fighter to take a dive. This really pisses me off. There’s getting to be so much money involved in mma, I hope other organizations don’t try this bullshit!
by brac on Oct 6, 2008 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I will no jump on so quickly believing it is true, maybe Kimbo was the one paid off??… but this is one of the reasons boxing has become unappealing to me. To many questionable upsets.
Not to say Seth wouldn’t have won anyway.??
by Grembone on Oct 6, 2008 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BOTTOM LINE: THEY ATTEMPTED TO INTERFERE WITH THE OUTCOME OF THE FIGHT.
by Capt. Doug on Oct 6, 2008 6:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gotta respect seth for laying it out like that. ive been suspicious of kimbo’s fight ever since i saw bo take that dive after getting punched in the shoulder.
interesting theory; if kimbo took a dive or not against seth. if he didnt he shouldnt be fighting periode, because that was the weakest punch that ive ever seen knock someone down ever.
by COR on Oct 6, 2008 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’ll bet seth already has a new car or truck, personal thanks from mr dana white himself for the laugh
by medecine balls on Oct 6, 2008 6:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How anyone can still take Elite XC serious is beyond me.
by Muscle Dolphin on Oct 6, 2008 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HE IS NOW DENYING THOSE REPORTS!!!
Upon being asked directly whether EliteXC officials had even hinted that he could receive a bonus by keeping the fight standing, Petruzelli clarified that no such act had taken place.
"No," he responded. "Look, even the UFC gives knockout bonuses. Everyone gives knockout bonuses. There’s knockout bonuses, submission bonuses, all sorts of bonuses. I just wanted to keep it standing because I felt I could beat (Kimbo) at his own game."
by Joseph on Oct 6, 2008 6:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Too late – the horse is already out of the barn.
by Muscle Dolphin on Oct 6, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HERE IS THE ENTIRE STATEMENT!
Upon being contacted by FiveOuncesOfPain.com for a followup, Petruzelli indicated that he felt his words during the 104.1 FM interview are being twisted and he categorically denied accusations that EliteXC somehow tried to influence his strategy through financial considerations.
"What was meant to be said was that I wanted to keep the fight standing for myself because I knew that was what the crowd, the promoters, and everyone wanted to see because that’s more exciting than just taking someone to the ground," Petruzelli said. "That was my thing only. I wanted to keep it exciting so I decided to keep it standing. It had nothing to do with anybody else. That was all me."
Upon being asked directly whether EliteXC officials had even hinted that he could receive a bonus by keeping the fight standing, Petruzelli clarified that no such act had taken place.
"No," he responded. "Look, even the UFC gives knockout bonuses. Everyone gives knockout bonuses. There’s knockout bonuses, submission bonuses, all sorts of bonuses. I just wanted to keep it standing because I felt I could beat (Kimbo) at his own game."
by Joseph on Oct 6, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also stated before that he was getting death threats after the fight
by Psyqo78®™ on Oct 6, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
death threats?! from who? big black and kimbos entourage i guess?
by medecine balls on Oct 6, 2008 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, for what its worth, I would think that Big Black would not be backing Kimbo. Big Black serves as security to Brett Rodgers and Team Bison, who is Kimbo’s arch rival.
by ViolentMike on Oct 7, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure his death threats are from Shaw—which is why he is now trying to back-track. I listened to the interview he clearly intimated they wanted him standing. To suggest the fight is not fixed just because their plan back-fired is absurd. They certainly believed as I’m sure everyone on here did if it stayed on the feet then Seth was going to sleep. So just like their promotion itself they half-assed a fix and it blew up in their faces.
by chuckjbt on Oct 6, 2008 7:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure his death threats were from Shaw—which is why he is now trying to back-track. I live in Florida and listened to the interview he clearly intimated they wanted him standing.
To suggest the fight is not fixed just because their plan back-fired is absurd. They certainly believed, as I’m sure everyone on here did, if it stayed on the feet then Seth was going to sleep. So just like their promotion itself they half-assed a fix and it blew up in their faces.
by chuckjbt on Oct 6, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Petruzelli is credible when he makes that claim. It’s obvious that they stole the last fight from James Thompson at the end of the second round. Kimbo was completely out well before the end of the round, and the ref. wouldn’t stop it, and then that fight was stopped in Kimbo’s favor in the 3rd on a cut to the ear! Almost a work.
EXC management simply do not understand MMA. Even Slice’s You-Tube fights were a complete joke. He gassed against Gannon and again vs. Chico. Now, we know that Kimbo has a glass jaw in addition to his nonexistent cardio. Put the guy on the undercard and leave him there.
by Fred on Oct 6, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t believe the fight was fixed anyway. Seth believed in himself, and he won. End of story.
You think he would have taken 50 grand to get KTFO? I don’t think that would work for me. Dude believed he could win, so mad props to him for taking the fight and proving that Kimbo isn’t MMA material yet. I don’t know if he ever will be MMA material, to be honest- even with Bas Rutten in his corner.
The fight wasn’t fixed, guys. Unless there’s some sort of official proof, this was probably some out-of-context situation like what was described by Joseph a few comments ago.
by Carano4VicePresident on Oct 6, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
no props? haha. Damn, the Shaws crack me up. He says that its okay and they can buildup any star. Well why would you ask this from seth and why would you keep on screaming and panicking the moment kimbo gets pounded on.
and someone who gets knocked down from a punch standing on one leg doesnt really spell “tough” as everyone portrays him.
by weoweoweo on Oct 6, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So lets say that Seth gets canned from EliteXC (or it folds) and can no longer fight for them because of what he said. Who else want’s to bet that Dana White will be offering him a fight contract. If even just to throw him to the wolves and say “See, even the guy that beat Kimbo couldn’t hang in the UFC, much less Kimbo himself.”
by A Lynch on Oct 6, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we should stop criticizing Kimbo so harshly, AND we should stop hyping him so damn much. He seems like a nice, humble, realistic guy and maybe one day he could be involved in some decent fights against decent caliber opponents. He’s still an MMA baby, because those backyard fights and mma relics don’t count for shit and they never did. The guy needs a chance to earn a name. Let’s let him fight on the undercard, and hopefully work his way up there. Just please don’t make him the main event. I really like the guy. Hey, anyone else pumped for a Tito – Shamrock 2009. Bitch monkey.
by DH on Oct 7, 2008 1:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha. He got paid 50,000…. WTF is this article talking about?
by Moto on Oct 7, 2008 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Stop your crying? How do you say it’s fixed … The guy that wasn’t suppose to win kicked his butt in 14 secs? Who cares if they wanted to have him stand … Do you want to see the guy wrestling kimbo slice the whole time.. Audience says NO! .. This is what everyone wanted, and it was suppose to be enjoyable .. But unfortunately that didn’t happen he got his butt kicked!
by Dave on Oct 11, 2008 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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