UFC Quick Quote: Tito Ortiz brands Juanito Ibarra 'a thief'
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"Let me explain this to you because it really pisses me off that Ibarra has done what he has done, he is a thief. I have been running training camps for seven years up in Big Bear California and the most that my camp has cost a fighter to attend is $35,000. Ibarra was charging Jackson $65,000 to go to Big Bear. I don't understand that!! He was being very disrespectful and taking advantage of ‘Rampage’. Including travel, training partners, food and lodging, the most ever was $35,000, maybe if you flew in more trainers...$40K. Where did that extra money go that Ibarra was charging? ‘Rampage’ is really pissed and he feels betrayed that he was taken advantage of and I couldn't agree more with him. I don't care if Juanito reads this or hears about it anywhere, he already knows that he is blackballed. I don't care who you are; fighters work very hard for the money they earn and I feel slighted for even knowing Juanito."
-- Tito Ortiz vents his frustrations via PunchDrunkGamer.com regarding his feelings about Juanito Ibarra -- the former trainer for Quinton "Rampage" Jackson -- in a recent interview. Ortiz and Jackson are close friends. Jackson and Ibarra severed their relationship after Jackson lost his 205-pound title to Forrest Griffin back in July. He then went on a long, strange, sleepless and energy-drink fueled trip that landed him in the slammer. Jackson has indicated that his uncharacteristic behavior was sparked in part when he learned that someone close to him was stealing from him. He has never publicly fingered Ibarra as that person.
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huh…interesting…why didn’t Rampage question this sooner??
by McArthur on Sep 8, 2008 5:03 PM EDT reply actions
He thought Juanito was his boy, and he trusted him. He was probably in denial.
by LJ on Sep 8, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
If Tito is so tight with Page why didn’t tito know how much Page was paying until recently.
Page had big training camps up their with Kongo, Vera and Bisping all traing up there.
Lets face it another $25K is nothing to Page in the big picture, I think its all just getting blown up.
by MoonUK on Sep 8, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions
What is another 25K for Rampage…are you kidding me?!? Do you not understand that fighting is Rampage’s career? Sure he may make more money than most people who post on here. That however is not the point. This man appears to have stolen money from Rampage plain and simple. I think that is good that other fighters know what is going on. So that this doesn’t happen to anyone else. Hazlett added to UFC 91…sweet card.
by TBlades07 on Sep 8, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
moon UK . I have a little money, yet I bring lunch to work 99% of the time. why spend 10 bucks I don’t have to? People that have money have it for a reason, and people like rampage get taken advantage of for a reason…. My guess, Rampage knew of the money, juanito told him and he didn’t care because he figures he has the money. Realistically, his net worth is less than 2 million, and he has civil suits coming, not to mention lawyer fees. He doesn’t have much money, period!
by kevin doesn't know shit on Sep 8, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Page was spending $25k a month on Red Bull, so no its not alot for him.
by MoonUK on Sep 8, 2008 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
there saying that Mike Tyson has signed on to fight Kimbo early next year!
I dunno how true it is, I will let you guys judge
by john on Sep 8, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
thats a lot of money considering he paid him to train there for every fight and that had to be at least 4 fights probably a lot more
by randy murders on Sep 8, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Your sh*ttin me?!?! That does it Kimbo, you’re truley a mma joke (if it’s true). Screw Elite XC for making this possible (if it’s true). What a disgrace to mma (if it’s true).
Wait… is it supposed to be a boxing, or mma match?
by Kimura by Fedor on Sep 8, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I believe they signed him john, but will elite be around? an old tyson will still kill kimbo
fedor by arm bar,
by kevin doesn't know shit on Sep 8, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
john, it wouldnt suprise me if its Kimbo/Tyson next! It would be a draw in viewers thats for sure. I just hope Ken’s ego doesnt get in the way and make him bang with Kimbo.
by JV on Sep 8, 2008 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope you’re right about this forecast again John, like the one you predicted about Couture-Lesnar…
by TheNegation on Sep 8, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont know about this one. I will be surprised if its true, I just read it and I figured I would pass it along and let you guys be the judge!
by john on Sep 8, 2008 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a really good source tell me about the Couture/Brock match up, I didnt predict it.
The source on the Tyson vs. Kimbo story is shaky, so dont hold me to it. But it does sound like something EliteXC would do, so I wont rule it out. Its supposed to go down in 2009 and I read that Tyson has already SIGNED on!
We will see, but dont hold me too it because I HAVE no idea if its credible!
by john on Sep 8, 2008 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
kevin a old tyson could not even beat a bum 5 yrs ago,(did you see his last fight)so even though i am not a kimbo fan he’s got to be the favorite in that fight.
by roy on Sep 8, 2008 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
JOHN. did it say wether it was going to be an mma or a boxing match? Gary shaw had originally planned to switch kimbo from mma to boxing, once kimbo made his name in mma. very shaw like. ther are also rumors that affliction’s oct. show might be cancled due to maybee dana blocking it from happening in his “backyard”. the thred did show a banner for the ppv event in NY but stated that there were no advertisements in vegas for the event at all. those are just speculations and rumors though. i belive i got from fight opinion per yahoo sports.
by b.w. on Sep 8, 2008 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Do myspace and facebook friends count as sources?
by the_mexicutioner on Sep 8, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont do myspace or facebook or any of that internet crap!
B.W: I didnt even think about that. No idea if its boxing or mma. I automatically assumed MMA, but you bring up good points, it could be boxing. who knows!
by john on Sep 9, 2008 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I also remember juanito saying he pays training partners (not common I guess), could this be the extra money? I won’t jump to conclusions.
on a side note, Mr. “I don’t judge, hater” is very vocal about this and Kim couture. Which is it, you judge or don’t you? or are you just jeleous kim gets Randy’s d*ck and you don’t?
by kevin doesn't know shit on Sep 8, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
you have been throwing jabs at people in your comments all the time, your the biggest hater and hypocrit on this site.
by howard on Sep 8, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was Juanito that Rampage was talking about when he was off his rocker.
However, if Juanito was charging Jackson a fat 65k to go to Big Bear and Jackson paid it… then where’s the rip off? Everything was gravy until Jackson lost, now it’s not worth it?
Yeah Boxing takes advantage of fighters, Juanito was disrespectful and yeah, it’s good that Jackson fired him, but don’t be so ignorant to pay those high prices… take care of yourself… negotiate, be little wiser with your money and how u do business. This way u can keep the Juanito’s of the world as your trainer/friend because they’ll never have the opportunity to rip you off. Small price to pay for Rampage, for a valuable lesson that could save him thousands more in the future.
Annnd’… I never understood why someone religious would automatically trust someone else that was religious… those r the worst people to blindly trust!
by THORAZINE on Sep 8, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Tito has said dumb things, no doubt. But, he has done so much for the sport, as has Ken Shamrock (it’s been a while since I positively said anything about him). You have to repsect the guys for one thing, and one thing only: they’ve made a positive impact on the sport and is part of the reason mma is where it is today. NO ONE CAN/SHOULD DENY IT.
I’m sure there’s going to be a lot of Liddell haters if he keeps losing and just talking a lot of ish. It’s pathetic. But you can’t forget what the fighters have done for the (sport) we all love.
by Kimura by Fedor on Sep 8, 2008 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Damn, Mania!?!? That’s four posts- denied. I know I’m at work, and I get paid to b.s., but what gives? Very frustrating.
by Kimura by Fedor on Sep 8, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
PAtience my boy. Those 4 will surface later, once they’ve reviewed it. As long as your messages are “clean”, they’ll post it…
by TheNegation on Sep 8, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I often take what Tito says with a grain of salt. He proves to be the king of spreading the manure(cow $hit).
by Grembone on Sep 8, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, I meant worth a grain of salt. ~duh. :)
by Grembone on Sep 8, 2008 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
u guys forget that while rampage was under juanito he never lost a fight, until the forrest griffin decision… which i wouldnt even really count as a loss… hes done good things for rampage, after that brutal knockout from shogun, he joined juanito and became unstoppable, im sure the extra bread was worth it
by brendan on Sep 8, 2008 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I know Rampage & Juanito. Tito was not at their Big Bear Training Camp, so how would he know the entire story? To my knowledge he has not spoke to Juanito. So this is just gossip. Juanito has always been straight with Tito, so whats the scam? Expenses! Tito does not pay his training partners or insure them, he doesn’t provide several homes to house all the coaches and sparring partners, he does provide a personal chef for meals or meal per diem for each team member, like Team Rampage. Rampage DID approve all the expenses prior. Juanito has always been an honest man and has always treated Rampage like a son. He protected him and defended him, even when he did not deserve it. Though I understand that Tito is just defending his friend Rampage. But Rampage has been telling lies about Juanito since his loss. He did not have a problem with Juanito till he lost and discovered how much he waisted money at training camp. Juanito has always couseled Rampage about expenses. But Rampage has always ignored his advice. He was aware of ALL monies spent. He needed to blame someone other than himself. But through all this I am surprised that Juanito still loves Rampage and continues to pray for him. What a classy man. All can say whatever you want but regardless of all the gossip, there will never be a more professional, stand up guy in the world of MMA, than Juanito ibarra. All fighters should have a Juanito in their corner. I am very disapointed with Rampage. He has shares stories about Juanito stealing from him but he ignors that he did not pay Juanito the agreed amount. Yes, Rampage ripped off Juanito. So who is the theif now? God will take care of him and all his lies.
Tito make sure you have all the facts before you start blowing but you are way off course.
THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT AND SETT EVERYONE FREE. LIES ARE ONLY TEMPORARY SO SOMEONE WILL FALL SOON.
Always praying for God’s Angels!
by angel on Sep 10, 2008 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what Kongo is paying him or if Kongo is still being trained by him
by McArthur on Sep 8, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply actions
probably the same, just thinks it’s fair…who’s to know the truth? not me!
by kevin doesn't know shit on Sep 8, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
if kongo is smart he will get out while he still can and stay with bisping and page or just go to jacksons camp and learn some wrestling
by wm133 on Sep 8, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe he was charging Rampage for spiritual guidance?
by w153r on Sep 8, 2008 5:09 PM EDT reply actions
this might be the first thing honest and not selfish to come from the mouth of tito ortiz in a very long time.
holy crap i can’t believe i just said something decent about the guy…
by newkoba on Sep 8, 2008 5:11 PM EDT reply actions
hmmm….maybe but I doubt it. Tito had beefs with Ibarra from way back.
by MoonUK on Sep 8, 2008 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think going public about an issue where you have no hand in the issue is a good thing. This is not the right way for Tito to get publicity… maybe I can explain it better though. He’s airing another fighter and trainers dirty laundry based on speculation.
by Cogito Ergo Sum on Sep 8, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
anything he says to the media is made public…
by McArthur on Sep 8, 2008 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
tamden mccrory vs dustin hazlett has been added to ufc 91. iberra is a thief and a liar. matin kampan is considering moving down to 170 after saturdays fight with marquardt.
by b.w. on Sep 8, 2008 5:11 PM EDT reply actions
Kampann @ 170 would be scary, I would love that.
by MoonUK on Sep 8, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, and when he gets on a roll, there’s no stopping him. He deifintely had cage rust when he was fighting Marquardt.
by TheNegation on Sep 8, 2008 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I would have liked to see Hazlett fight a little better competition, but that’s okay.
I thought Kampmann should and would go to 170. He only cuts like 5 pounds to get to 185. That would be a great addition to a staked division.
by BNF on Sep 8, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Kampmann definitely looked small vs Marquardt in that fight. And man, can he take a beating. Took quite a few shots to finally put him down.
by yohnstoppable on Sep 8, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
kampman vs. Palhares at welterweight anyone?
BNF: I too think Hazlett is ready for better competition. Butthe barn cat is a very tough and young up and comer. It will still be a good fight but I too wanted to see him face someone with a bigger name.
Hazlett vs. Swick would have been Tight!
by john on Sep 8, 2008 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
That is one of the reasons I really like Tito. He always tells it like it is.
Juanito is the worst of the worst. Taking advantage of someone who you are supposedly helping in and out of the ring is dispicable. I never liked the guy and now he has been exposed. Go back to boxing with the rest of the creeps!
I have to believe Kongo left his camp as well. Where does Kongo train now?
by BNF on Sep 8, 2008 5:17 PM EDT reply actions
jacob always say whats on his mind, not always like it is. he looks right on this one though.
by b.w. on Sep 8, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
If Kongo hasnt left, then he’s a fool! Now maybe the fighters will turn their backs on Juanito and make him retire! Little leprechaun looking MoFo!!!
by JV on Sep 8, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO!!! He does look like a leprechaun! That stupid hat pushes his ears down.
by BNF on Sep 8, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Tito is not the bad person everyone put him out to be, he is a fighter that thinks he is underpaid,and believe me its not just him thinking that way either. Tito and page have been friends for a long time even be 4 page came to the ufc,if i was tito i would clean out the camp bring in a new training crew and get big bear back to the hard core camp that it once was otherwise known as TEAM PUNISHMENT!!!
by ORTIZ!!!!!!08....BABY! on Sep 8, 2008 5:18 PM EDT reply actions
What a douche bag. I doubt Tito’s making it up. Juanito has been incognito and Rampage didn’t lose it for no reason. He obviously trusted this and made the mistake not watching over his finances close enough. Ibarra told him how much things were and Rampage just said ok. Jackson can press charges yes?
by DSmith on Sep 8, 2008 5:20 PM EDT reply actions
65k is alot. i would like to see wha a high paid fighter pays in taxes and their expenses as far as training camps, parteners, gear and such. well maybe not gear cause im sure they get all that from their sponsors but it would be intresting to see what they really make.
by tuffguy01 on Sep 8, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
Whatever with all this. If Juanito f’ed up, it’s Jackson’s right to call him out on it. Not Tito’s. It makes him look like a publicity whore.
by chefdaddy on Sep 8, 2008 5:30 PM EDT reply actions
i agree but its tito..lol im surprised he didnt get jenna to announce it
by tuffguy01 on Sep 8, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
CHEF. good point. tito is a publicity whore. rampage should speak out about that instead of questioning forrest’s manhood in public. he says that he doesnt respect forrest as a MAN b/c he wont admit that he lost. im starting to think maybee rampage and ibarra deserve each other!
by b.w. on Sep 8, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
b.w.- Rampage has eluded to it and everyone has been able to put the pieces together. tito is just giving specifics- not his place but since his negotiations having been going well he has to do something to keep his name out there.
by DSmith on Sep 8, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Rampage still has respect for Juanito even though he stole from him, so he doesn’t want to publicly call him out. But what is the problem with Tito exposing this guy so he will not be able to rip off new, naive fighters coming into the game. I applaude Tito for calling out this piece of sh*t! Some you guys will find any reason to talk sh*t about Tito.
by BNF on Sep 8, 2008 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions
BNF. true! i rip on tito every chance i get. i still say tito doesnt ALWAYS tell it like it is, just as he (and jenna)percieves things to be. example: he has had a pretty hard time getting signed with anyone after making his “grounbreaking” announcment with Affliction that Atencio quickly denied. tito thought he had it in the bag and announced it publicly and was proven to be wrong.
by b.w. on Sep 8, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s probably a good thing he didn’t sign with Affliction considering they will fold after the next show. We are 1 month out and there is no buzz about it. Nobody is going to buy the next PPV. I would be amazed if they do half the number of buys as the first show.
Tito always speaks his mind and I respect that. I don’t remember the public announcment he made about Affliction, but I will take your word for it. He could have been given bad information from Atencio. I don’t know what Atencio has done for you to take his word as the gospel. He seems a little shady IMO.
by BNF on Sep 8, 2008 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
BNF. good points. i dont trust atencio as far as i can through him. you dont remeber tito’s big announcement! for shame. it was all over the net for days.
by b.w. on Sep 8, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
LMAO!!! Thats so true BNF! Tito could let these guys have a go at Jenna, and they would still complain about how loose she was!
by JV on Sep 8, 2008 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i wouldnt fck jenna with john’s d@ck. lol. just kidding john. just thought id take a poke at you while in you are in purgatory, but for real i really wouldnt fck jenna with john’s d@ck
by b.w. on Sep 8, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Can you believe a child is going out of that vag? I mean it should take much effort.
by DSmith on Sep 8, 2008 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea it will probably just slip out! Im still a Tito fan, but I cant respect the whole Jenna thing!
by JV on Sep 8, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
My wife met Tito the other day. He was about to go in his house and came over to talk to my kids. My son watches the fights with me and likes Tito. Anybody who is cool to my wife and kids will always be cool in my book. If you don’t believe me he said Jenna might be having twins. Hate on that, Tito haters!
by BNF on Sep 8, 2008 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats cool BNF! I just cant understand the Jenna thing? To each his own I guess. Im still a Tito fan, and I think he can still be a threat. He just needs to focus 100% on training. Im actually hoping he comes back to the UFC. There are some good fights for him.
by JV on Sep 8, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
im sure tito is a very nice person in person. he came across very well in his season on tuf, but he has said and done alot to tarnish his image as a fighter and an athelete, wich is what i make comments on. i didnt say i want the man to get run over by a bus.
by b.w. on Sep 8, 2008 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
My statement wasn’t made b/c I dislike Tito. Granted, I am not nearly as much of a fan of his recently, but he really earned my respect when he proved to be an outstanding coach on TUF. I would have said the exact same thing about WHOEVER said that. While I understand it might benefit up and coming fighters to hear about this so they will be wary of Juanito and others like him, in my world a friend’s personal business is something that is their choice (and their choice alone) to air publicly.
by chefdaddy on Sep 8, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The issues isn’t the 65k it is that Juanito probably told Rampage that Tito was charging 65k for big bear when Tito was only charging 35k and just kept the rest. The morons saying is it only 30k are idiots. the money ain’t the issues it is the lack of trust and begin stolen from. If you found out one of your friends was stealing form you would it matter it was 100 buck or 500? Not to me you crossed the line to steal and it wouldn’t be hard to steal more money if you could.
by staples on Sep 8, 2008 5:54 PM EDT reply actions
Are you kidding me!!! anytime Tito makes a comment or has a write up their are 100’s of duech’s like you making comments about him.
by Qmonster on Sep 8, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I for one don’t give a rats ass about Tito and how much money he makes on his next contract. I don’t even really care who he signs with. Cause to be quite honest the last time I watched Tito fight was against Evans in his draw. I do however get a little sick and tired of you people out there that make these cracks at Tito or Jenna questioning their character. When your tasteless posts show that you as people are not much better. So you hate him do to his snake-like personality…good I do too. But I am not about to stoop to the level as him or many of you.
by TBlades07 on Sep 8, 2008 6:36 PM EDT reply actions
Tito’s in a pretty good place right now, he has a win over the current lhw champ and another over Rashad (Tito won that fight, even if it was considered a draw).
by LukeinShanghai on Sep 8, 2008 6:47 PM EDT reply actions
A confident, newly defined Rashad of today would knock Tito out, sorry. If you watch the end of the Tito Rashad fight, you see Rashad dominating the end of that fight. It was the first big name Rashad fought and I think he was a little nervous.
by halljam2 on Sep 8, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahh Tito, can’t quite stay out of the limelight. Obviously Rampage didn’t want to single out Juanito. He was doing the classy thing and not naming anyone (even though we all pretty much knew). Then here comes Tito, in everyone’s business, a h00ker for attention and the media. It sucks not having any company to fight for, so I guess he has to start getting into other peoples’ problems. It really sucks to be Tito. His life is so trite.
by dave on Sep 9, 2008 1:56 AM EDT reply actions
Unfortunately, most people will never get to hang out with Tito and get to know him. What people don’t realize is that he likes to create controversy. That’s because he has always been a big fan of fake wrestling. So, people just don’t know what he’s actually up to when he does the things he does. And I’m glad Tito is calling Ibarra’s name on this one! It lets the other fighters know what he’s doing before they get screwed!
by Dana's a crossdresser on Sep 9, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
Wait, so the guy who flipped off Ken Shamrock after knocking him out is talking about ethics now?
This guy is a horrible person and has no right to tell anyone else what is right or wrong until he learns to act right his frickin’ self.
by critter on Oct 9, 2008 9:46 PM EDT reply actions
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