But I wanted more UFC action figures!! :( jk

thank you!

You, and a LOT of other people have been saying this is a reality for quite some time, john. When a rumour like this one gets thrown around, but makes as much sense as this one does, it’s hard for it not to happen.

1. We find out Lesnar is fighting in November, no opponent determined yet though.

2. We find out news out of Xtreme Couture that Randy is training full-time for a fight, on pace for a November fight. Weird…can’t be Fedor, he’s still recovering, let alone training. Not Nog, he’s tied up with Mir.

3. Rumour surfaces that said fight is back in the UFC vs Brock Lesnar. Recent news (points 1 and 2), including Randy’s continuous loss in the legal battle vs the UFC, strengthens rumour.

4. The fight just makes sense. Great match-up. Randy losing to Brock would be a dream come true to Dana White. A fight with Fedor would have even less appeal than it already has. The UFC knows this. Not to mention, they’ll still make both fights happen, and reap the benefits.

You didn’t have to be a genius to figure it out.

WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I take a nice litte 5 day weekend and the first thing I read when coming to Mania is “Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar” OMG!!!!!!! HUH???

I thought that it was now 12 months, not 11.

Was Randy officially stripped of the belt on August 25th once it was 1 year since his last fight or something? Usually the champ upon returning fights the interim champ. Too bad Big Nog is tied up with FRANK MIR!!!! That really blows. That’s what they get for giving a barely Top 20 HW a title shot AND tie it up on TUF. BUT Lesnar vs Couture was a fight that I thought for sure that we would never see. I really can’t believe what I’m reading!!!!!!

DRedge: Ask PhilQny, I placed a telephone to him about a full week before any of this news was found anywhere on the internet.

Guys like Kevin, BW and other veteran bloggers are my witnesses

vm: U know I dont have your # anymore?

John is the biggest MMA insider that absolutely has no involvement in the business whatsoever. Amazing!

Dredg : Good job playing " Clue the MMA version.. " I’m dumb so I would of not of been able to put all those clues together like you did. So for “John”.. our Maniac correspondent.. did inform more some time ago of this news.. of Courture.. not rumored.. but really is training for a fight..and his opponent would be Lesnar.. Thanks John.. for informing the uninformed.. such as myself.

Mex, I will be working for Zuffa by this time next year! So u have 1 year left to hate on me, then I will be living the good life in Vegas, Laughing at you when you beg me for some inside news! LMAO!

Hate on!

How are you going to work for Zuffa? I want to do that too. haha. What will you be doing?

JOHN, I’ll email you.

Me 2.. buddy.

thanks, Vm.

I am in school grooming myself for Zuffa job! No doubt in my mind that I will accomplish it, nothing else will do!

Marketing!

“Some people DO, others Hate”

anytime phil

John, this isn’t hating because I appreciate a true KNOWLEDGEABLE mma fan, but you do realize that while you like to pat yourself on the back for breaking news, Mania still has to verify certain things and substantiate rumors before creating a thread and reporting ‘news’. Otherwise we would be over-run with 50 rumor threads a day and this site wouldn’t be worth visiting because of complete lack of credibility.

That said, good job on all early news-breaking. Just take it with a grain of salt. Otherwise we may be around the corner from “Tuesday Morning Conversation with John”. Do we really want that? Hell, do you really want that!?

This kid John has pipe dreams and delusions that are even bigger than Tito’s head! No way I’m going to hire this roundmouth!

Dont listen to Dana, John. Sure you can come work for us, kid. I always need someone to make my coffee and we do need a new janitor for our new building.

Don’t listen to Lorenzo, john. After seeing what kind of insider info you are able to gather and how hard a worker you are, I’m want to groom you to take over Dana White’s position when the time is right. Don’t tell anyone though.

Frank

heres another one for you, my hating frined:

UFC 91:
Gonzaga vs. Josh Hendricks

QUICK QUESTION: What do you see the odds to this fight being, Lesnar/Couture? If you don’t bet or understand the odds, simply say who you think would be favored to win this fight.

Of course, Randy deserves to be the significant favorite in this fight. Randy is a phenominal grappler. But, I haven’t seen him submit too many people from his back, but then again, how often is Randy on his back? At Randy’s age, I see Lesnar being too powerful for Randy to stop every single takedown. Randy will be put on his back, unlesss he comes out like he did against Timmy and drops and FINSHES Lesnar quickly.

The only question I got regarding my bet on this fight is this, is Brock too big and powerfull for Randy to control??? Randy could get Timmy to the ground, but Timmy wasn’t an all american wrestler.

This potential fight is just sooooooooooooo intersting!

Vm? Beats me? I have no Idea what the odds will be, but I think I will bet lesnar!

Remember, Randy does, or at least used to have a difficult time handling the larger HW’s…

Exactly! Ricco, Barnett….randy struggled with both of them and I really believe that Physically Brock has too much an advantage over most HW…I say it all the time that its going to take some serious Jits to beat Lesnar. Randy’s jits is solid, but not good enough to catch Brock off his back.

I like Lesnar. At Randy’s age, not fighting for over a year, should also play a roll in this fight.

I am very curious to learn what the odds will be, I have no idea what they will be

He certainly doesn’t have as much trouble with it anymore considering he beat two large heavyweights in Tim Sylvia and Gabriel Gonzaga. He has evolved as a fighter in time, but I still think that ring rust could play a major role in this fight.

but tim and gonzaga are strikers.. so randy can deal with people with longer reach for striking. but can he deal with bigger faster and stronger wrestlers? at his age? i dont know anymore. Unless he breaks brock’s nose like gonzagas i dont know if randy can win this.

Definitely john. The “casual fan” money should pour in for Couture. But I think those of us in the know are going to take Lesnar, especially if he’s any kind of underdog. No disrespect but Kevin is definitely out to lunch on this one.
Nice scoop on this one john, by-the-way. I would be interested to know how you came across this info. After all, there is a chance that with the facts as they were (as pointed out above) you just made one hell of an educated guess. That said, either way, nice one.

weoweoweo- Gonzaga is a well rounded fighter. People consider him to be a great striker because of his knock out of Cro-Cop but without the takedown, and GnP that Gonzaga used, Cro Cop wouldn’t have been dazed enough to be hit with that head kick. GG even stated that himself. You also can’t count out the fact that Gonzaga is great with BJJ.

everyone seems like they’re hating on randy. i mean, i can see why, but when/if randy fights and beats lesnar and nog, everyone will be oozing for the couture/fedor fight all over again. im stayin with randy, i think he can stop nog in the later rounds or decision him, and decsion against brock too. i cant see him finishing him with subs or strikes.

yeah I agree, if couture’s first fight is against lesner, than he needs to be striped of the title and become a regular contender.

No Worries, he will be stripped of the title

he was still the champ just to help zuffa in court anyway..

It has already been stated that the title would be stripped due to his lack of defenses and leaving the org’. They only labeled him as champ for the legal purposes.

that’s true chef, I never thought of that. Perhaps the UFC could make the fight happen in england and it wouldn’t breach fedor’s contract with affliction. Nice, maybe this will happen after all…

i think Fedor only signed an extension for 1 more fight with Afliction. Fedor will fight at Affliction 3 in january or Febuary which leve a fight with Couture not possible until after June at the very least

IDK John, I read that report of him siging a non-compete north america exclusive long deal contract with affliction as well. He’ll be with affliction for a long time.

LInx: I thought the extension was just for Affliction 3. TO my knowledge, affliction has not committed to more than 3 shows, so how could They sign Fedor to longer?

I don’t know, but it is what the report stated…

well the UFC has looong been promising expansion in other countries and they’ve had problems getting huge draws and ppv buys with guys like bisping headlining. So Randy vs Fedor in Europe or some other place could really jump start their goal of expanding and becoming mainstream to everyone.

Maybe this all came about with Fertita working on the international market. Chefdaddy, I’m gonna take it one further. Instead of England, what if they have Couture vs. Fedor in RUSSIA? Maybe that was the point of his new task, first and foremost. If they can get around the North America non-compete, entice Fedor by getting it in his home, and get to lure Couture back by showing they haven’t given up on getting this fight for him. Hmmmm?

If they went to Russia for this, that would truly be a Rock IV situation. The aging American legend comes back and beats the big champion and then releases his title to go fight the unstoppable Russian in Russia. I am just not so sure that it would have the same ending.

Yeah, plus Quarry already stole that speech. But it sure would be awesome to have happen.

I say Germany is a good place to hold a Fedor/Randy fight. Zuffa is, according to Dana, tryig to break into the German market. This sounds like a perfect time.

sorry couture , its 530 am, spelling isnt high on my list

but the UFC wont promote, and the people wont watch NOG vs MIR in TUF8 for being just a number1 contenders match in the finale.

and couture lost his belt along with the respect of most fans for him ‘resigning’/bitching about money.

nog is a paper champ only to the untrained eye. If you haven’t followed his fighting history than you have no bases to state what you said. besides, they had to give the title to someone, or would you rather have no champions at HW since randy was crying for more money and leaving the UFC? Besides, I can tell you know nothing of MMA since you said he barely beat heath, the only thing heath did in that fight was that one kick that threw nog off his game, everything else in that fight was ALL NOG. Not to mention that this was their 3rd fight together, nog dominated heath in their first fight, finished him in their second fight, and dominated him again in their 3rd fight (with exception of one kick). Than he FINISHED timmey, something your previous champ could not accomplish. PAPER champ say you eh?

linx: why even respond to such an idiotic statement. Besides Fedor, Nogueira is the best Heavyweaight mma fighter to ever walk the planet earth!

Nog is the REAL UFC champion!

Randy has ducked Nog every chance he got.

I read an interview with Nog’s manager, Soars, and since the Couture news, they are calling Randy out already! When the UFC told Nog he was fighting for the title, he accepted thinking he would fight Couture….Nog has wanted that fight from the get go….Randy is the one that wants NO parts of that fight.

Nog is the real UFC champion!

Some True Shit right there.

I guess I don’t have to resond to daz now…

He thinks that since Nog “barely beat” Herring that that makes him a paper champ, and he just saw Brock demolish Herring. So he thinks that Lesnar would smach Nog and that Lesnar is the true champ.

WHY did I respond…

DAMMIT!! Daz you had to go and pull me into this one with your idiocy. Nog is a paper champ? Well this “paper champ” you speak of has a resume that is 10 times better than your Captain America’s. Nog is a much more technical and much more skilled fighter. Ive said it before and I’ll continue to say it until he beats someone that is a better than average fighter: Randy Couture is OVERRATED!! His record is 15-8! I have no idea how he got to be so famopus in the first place. He got all this credit for dominating Tim in 5 rounds. Big friggin deal! Nog finished him in less than 3! Fedor crushed him in 1 minute! Then he dominated Gonzaga after he broke Gonzaga’s nose with a headbutt during a takedown. Gonzaga has proven to be a one kick wonder anyway. Randy won’t get by Brock, so this will all be a moot point anyway.

Gonzaga ain’t no one-kick wonder! He’s still young and the guy has enormous potential. The only reason why he lost that fight was the fact that he had blood pouring all down his face and into his mouth due to a broken nose and couldn’t breathe at all. You try dealing with that and then still trying to fight Randy Couture.

…And Werdum?

His 15-8 record is much better than it seems on surface. First off a lot of his losses we’re early on in his career. And also if you look at all his fights in the UFC only 2 were non title fights, so he’s had some pretty stiff competition not to mention the guy was fighting better than ever at 45 years old. He also beat Tito, Vitor, and Chuck in their primes. So if you have no idea how he got famous there is your answer.

OK you want to use the logic that his big losses were early in his career. Well so were his big wins. He beat Chuck when Chuck was in his prime? Didn’t he get KTFO’d twice by Chuck after that?. I’m not saying he shouldn’t be famous. I’m just saying that I don’t see why he’s as famous as he is, except that he’s in great shape. People treat him like a god (especially many fans on this site), and I don’t think he deserves it. There’s a few HW’s out there that are much better IMO. Fedor, and Nog are the obvious ones. OK…flame away.

but tuf 8 is already set so its not right to do that businesswise.

Isn’t Affliction cutting the pay that they are going to be giving fighters in their next shows? Fedor will be fighting in their 3rd show so it is unlikely that they will be paying as much as before. Dana said that Randy was a “fag” or something along those lines on a radio show. Randy is still coming back. Fists being thrown may break their bones but words don’t hurt a fighter. ;)

Hearsay.

Nothing has been proven about the Affliction paycut rumour.