Climbing Back: MMAmania.com exclusive UFC 88 interview with Dan Henderson

Despite the fact that the UFC Middleweight Champion of the World, Anderson Silva, has called Rich Franklin his toughest opponent in the Octagon to date, a lot of fans see through it as a show of respect to the former UFC champion. Instead, they point to Dan Henderson as having the best showing against the champ thus far.
Henderson looked to have decidedly won the first round. He took Silva down and nearly smothered him for the better part of two and a half minutes.
However, things changed significantly midway through the second round. Silva was able to land some shots that dropped Hendo, where the champ was able to take his back and secure a rear naked choke. Henderson tapped with just 10 seconds left on the clock, leaving many fans to wonder what would have happened, had he survived the round.
Now 22-7 with wins over Wanderlei Silva, Vitor Belfort, "Minotauro" Nogueira, "Babalu" Sobral, "Ninja" Rua, Murilo Bustamante, Ryo Chonan and many more, Dan Henderson faces the challenge of climbing back up the middleweight ladder to gain another title shot.
He’ll first have to face rising submission master Rousimar "Toquinho" Palhares (8-1), who recently submitted Ivan Salaverry at UFC 84 with a sick armbar that should make any highlight reel out there. The two will face off on Saturday, September 6 at UFC 88: "Breakthrough."
It’s a fight Henderson was hoping would go to a bigger name. In fact, Hendo would have preferred to fight an opponent like Rich Franklin. The bigger the name, the closer you get to a title shot.
When I caught up with Henderson, he shed some light on his fight with Silva, his upcoming opponent, and the reasons he misses PRIDE.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): I first wanted to get your take on the whole middleweight/light heavyweight thing. I’ve read on more than one occasion that you reportedly would prefer fighting at 205. Is this true?
Dan Henderson: Well, I prefer not to cut weight, and I compete just as well there as I do at 185, so …
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): So it’s just because cutting weight sucks?
Dan Henderson: Well, I have fun fighting no matter what. But I do just as well at 205 as I do at 185. So yeah … just cutting weight isn’t the funnest thing to do.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): Did the UFC ask you to stay at middleweight for the time being?
Dan Henderson: No, they didn’t ask. I told them that I wanted to try to get a rematch with Anderson Silva. So they left me down at that weight class, but they didn’t give me an opponent that would expedite that … just because nobody knows him. Not because he’s not tough, just because nobody knows him.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): So do you think that that’s going to hinder your chance of getting back into the title shot picture?
Dan Henderson: Well, I definitely need to win no matter who I fight. And this guy’s just as tough as anybody else in the UFC. But he’s not well-known, so no, it won’t bump me up that quickly.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): Would you have preferred to have fought Rich Franklin, which was rumored?
Dan Henderson: Yeah. I’d prefer to fight the big-name guys. That’s why I’m in the sport, to test myself against the top guys.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): Well let’s talk briefly about your fight with Silva. You looked great in the first round. You took him down and looked to be nearly smothering him for about two and a half minutes of Round One. He looked clearly frustrated. What was your strategy going into that fight?
Dan Henderson: Take him down, beat him up. I felt that I should have been able to do that for five rounds, but something happened, and my body felt a little bit tired and fatigued that second round. So I didn’t go after that takedown like I should have.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): Was he making adjustments in the second round, then, that prevented the takedown?
Dan Henderson: No, I had a pretty good opportunity to do it. You know, he’s not going to be a really easy guy to takedown in a fight — nobody is. I think it was me just letting the opportunity go, and waiting for the next opportunity, and I shouldn’t have.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): By the time Silva secured the choke, there was less than 20 seconds left on the clock, and you eventually tapped with just 10 seconds left. Were you aware of how much time was on the clock, and would it have mattered at that point, meaning would you have lasted another 10 seconds before losing consciousness?
Dan Henderson: No, I wasn’t aware of it, but I don’t know if it would have mattered anyway. Once that’s in, it don’t take long at all. Even if I didn’t tap, I would have been out in a second or two anyway. But you never know.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): Let’s talk about your upcoming opponent. Rousimar Palhares is one of the fastest rising talents of the Brazilian Top Team. You’re no stranger to fighting opponents who are, or once were, associated with that organization (I’m thinking of Bustamante, the Nogueira brothers, Ricardo Arona, etc.). Do you get any extra motivation when fighting a guy from a team like that? Are there any grudges associated at the team level for you?
Dan Henderson: No, I don’t hold grudges with anybody. It’s a sport, and I’m aware of that. I don’t really have any dislikes toward anybody. I respect all the fighters out there. It’s a fight, and obviously I don’t want to lose to anybody.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): Palhares has very dynamic submissions and will clearly prefer this fight on the ground, I’m assuming.
Dan Henderson: I’m assuming that too.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): (Laughs) But just because he is so dangerous on the ground, is that going to preclude you from taking the fight to the ground, or do you think you can over-power him no matter where the fight goes?
Dan Henderson: Typically, unless the guy is really good on his feet, I like to stand up. That’s usually my best chance of finishing an opponent. I would normally, even if the guy wasn’t all that good on the ground, I would stand with him and try to finish the fight with a knockout.
I’m definitely aware of his danger on the ground and his submissions. That’s something I’m not going to play to in his strength, but I’m also not afraid to be there. The fight will end up there, and I’m not afraid to be there. But my best chance of finishing the fight is standing up. And his only chance of finishing a fight is on the ground.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): You’re listed as 6’1" and Palhares is listed as 5’8" —
Dan Henderson: I’m not 6’1". No, I don’t have no idea where the hell that number came from. I’m 5’11".
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): Okay, well, there is still some height advantage there, and I’m assuming a potential reach advantage. Do you think that kind of thing will help you in this particular fight for what you want to do?
Dan Henderson: Obviously it’s always nice to reach a guy from a little bit farther away, but who knows? Couldn’t tell ya. I’ll let you know afterwards.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): How important is a win for you at this point? Is this a make or break situation?
Dan Henderson: I’m not going to retire if I lose, if that’s what you mean by "make or break." Either way, I don’t plan on losing any fights. Just because of the fact that I’ve lost my last two doesn’t make me try harder to not lose this one. I was giving it my all in my last two. But I’m a little bit angry at my own performance in my last fight especially, so I’ve learned from some mistakes and just want to make sure I’m aggressive in this fight and definitely try to finish it the whole time.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): So you’re not planning on going anywhere anytime soon?
Dan Henderson: No.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): Since moving back to the UFC from PRIDE, do you think there’s been any noticeable difference in the level of competition, or have you noticed any problems adjusting to the Octagon, as opposed to the ring?
Dan Henderson: Yeah, it’s taken a little bit of time to get used to the Octagon. But as far as talent goes, I think it’s already spoken for itself as far as who the UFC’s champions are. PRIDE had some top guys. Nogueira’s in there as the champ, and he wasn’t even the champ in PRIDE anymore. Quinton Jackson was in there for a while, and obviously he just lost. Anderson Silva had lost in PRIDE and got booted out of there, and now he’s the UFC champ.
I just think that the fighters are tough anywhere, and that’s what I’ve always said. PRIDE just happened to pull more from an international group of fighters, and I think in that respect, they had a little bit tougher competition. Plus, most of the time there, they had just two weight classes …
I’ve always said that the fights are pretty much the same, but PRIDE just put on a better show, production-wise. And that was the main difference. I miss PRIDE because of that. Other than that, I think the fighters are just as tough in the UFC. They’re tough anywhere now.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): Silva is next due to fight Patrick Cote. How do you see that fight going?
Dan Henderson: I just don’t see anything Cote would be able to do to Anderson. I think his biggest problem has been his submission defense and his takedown defense, and that’s not Cote’s specialty.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): I’ve been reading Randy Couture’s new book, Becoming the Natural. Obviously, you appear in the book significantly, as Couture talks about the two of you entering the fight game together and starting Team Quest. Have you had a chance to read the book?
Dan Henderson: No, I haven’t.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): Have you talked to him about it at all?
Dan Henderson: No, I haven’t done that either. I’ve been pretty busy training. I just haven’t got a copy of it yet.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): Well he talks a bit about how Olympic wrestling competition helped him prepare for mixed martial arts. I was wondering if you see anyone from the Beijing Olympics making a successful transition to MMA, like Ben Askren or somebody like that.
Dan Henderson: Yeah, absolutely, I think a lot of those guys could definitely make that transition well. It’s just a matter of if they commit to wanting to do it. Once they do, it’d be great if they got in a camp that came from that same background of wrestling.
I’ve already done trial and error on a lot of Greco and wrestling techniques, and I know what stuff to not even bother with already. So I can definitely relate to them and help weed out the techniques that aren’t good for MMA. So any gym like that is what they should be getting into.
After this fight, I’m definitely going to be talking to some of the guys — the wrestlers — and seeing who has an interest in that.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): Have you been approached by anyone yet?
Dan Henderson: Um … not really. Not really.
Adam Wagner (MMAmania.com): Well, Dan, I really appreciate you taking the time to talk with us. I also wanted to give you an opportunity to see if you have any parting words for your fans, or if you wanted to thank any sponsors that we can plug on the site?
Dan Henderson: Yeah, I always appreciate the fan support of myself and of the sport. I’m always continuing to try and be exciting. Check out ClinchGear.com.
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Amazing interview Adam, as always you Produce Top Notch Interviews!
-your Fan, JOhn!
by john on Aug 30, 2008 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed..Great interview Adam, you lucky son of a gun..
Hendo is one of my favorite fighters..I can’t wait for his next fight..
by Stagger-Lee on Aug 30, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Niceeee’ interview. I liked how u got Hendo to talk about his conditioning issue it’s come up in his last 2 fights. Either he needs to train and/or diet differently… if it’s a case of just age, then his career has past its peak. Talking about upcoming olympic wrestlers’ is what I wanted to hear about.
by THORAZINE on Aug 30, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendo trained in Big Bear’s high altitude for the first time getting ready for the Silva fight. He said it screwed up his body.
by ViolentMike on Sep 2, 2008 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no one should do interviews except you Adam. You’re great every time, and ask the same questions that I would! Great interview!
by kevin doesn't know shit on Aug 31, 2008 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who ever is moderating this site, get that link that I tried posting to Adam!
by john on Aug 30, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I miss PRIDE too Dan, you are not the only one brother!
Dan just straight up told you guys that the Best fighters came from PRIDE!!!!! lol
by john on Aug 30, 2008 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
even though he lost to the UFC champions…
by sinister on Aug 30, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even though those UFC champions came from pride…
by JRV on Aug 30, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pride is the best sh*t there is outside the UFC!
by TheNegation on Aug 30, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
smoke and mirrors boys, smoke and mirrors.
by b.w. on Aug 30, 2008 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure Chuck Liddell lost to Rampage, but Liddell beat Wandi. Plus Forrest beat Rampage too. Plus Noguiera is the interim champ. He hasn’t beaten Randy. Sure Anderson got booted out of PRIDE, but is anyone really questioning his abilities? Let’s face it. Neither organization was better and even if one was, they aren’t PRIDE fighters. They are UFC fighters now.
by RyanHobbs on Aug 30, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But still, you can’t erase the stigma that is Pride…
by TheNegation on Aug 31, 2008 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen to RyanHobbs’ comment. I didn’t think Hendo gave A. Silva due credit for beating him so handily. He said “something happened” and his body felt tired. Yeah, it’s called you were fighting Anderson Silva is what happened. Adam tried to fish for info on what adjustments Silva was able to make for the second round as to why Hendo couldn’t take Silva down again and Hendo was like: “No, I had a pretty good opportunity to do it…I think it was me just letting the opportunity go.” You tell yourself what you need to to feel better, ok Hendo?
by RedDog on Aug 31, 2008 6:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And another thing, If Silva says Franklin was his toughest fight, then it was his toughest fight. I don’t think he has any reason to lie about who he thought his toughest opponent was.
by RedDog on Aug 31, 2008 6:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Saying PRIDE fighters are better than UFC fighters is ridiculous. Lets say that hypothetically, Brock Lesnar won the UFC heavyweight strap. Does that mean that WWE entertainers are better fighters than fighters in the UFC? NO. Just another example of why it is dumb to make the assessment. If they fight in the UFC, they are UFC fighters. Even if former PRIDE fighters beat people whom were in the UFC at the time of PRIDE, it doesn’t mean that they were better during the time in which PRIDE existed. Plus, styles make fights. This is why Rampage lost to Wandi, Rampage beat Liddell and Liddell beat Wandi. And Forrest Griffin lost to Keith Jardine but he beat Shogun and Rampage. Does that mean people in the UFC during PRIDE are better?…..NOPE! I don’t think either organization was better. They both contained great fighters and now the majority of them are in the UFC.
by RyanHobbs on Aug 31, 2008 7:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so what youre saying is, pride fighters are better than UFC fighters, as long as their fighting at the same time, meaning… when fighters come to the ufc, they become ufc fighters, making them not PRIDE fighters anymore… but, if an opponent was beaten in the PRIDE ring, instead of the UFC ring, that means the UFC fighter would be better than the PRIDE fighter…………………………………….
thats what your post read like ryan
by brendan on Aug 31, 2008 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha it might have been a little confusing. I wrote it late last night while my girlfriend was asking me all of these questions. I was basically saying that fighters evolve. So any fights nowdays are not indicative of who was the better organization. Do you really think Forrest could have beaten Shogun or Rampage while PRIDE still existed? Nope. Doesn’t make UFC fighters or PRIDE fighters better.
by RyanHobbs on Aug 31, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
definitely gotta give pride fighters an edge on toughness due to head stomps, soccer kicks, etc. rules were much more brutal in pride
by brendan on Aug 31, 2008 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily. I know that people get jumped in the ghetto all of the time but you don’t see Kimbo Slice being the toughest in MMA.
by RyanHobbs on Sep 1, 2008 5:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think dan wins this fight by ko in the second round his oppenent will not be able to take him down and dan has some crazy power.
by matt on Aug 30, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe, but make no mistake about it, if the fight hits the ground once ITS OVER, Palhares will submit Hendo. I am a huge fan of Dan’s but I feel his worst match ups are against submission wizards. Dan has not exhibited the appropriate Cardio needed to be a bigtime UFC fighter and that has really SHOCKED me! Hopefully he fixes his cardio problem and finds his AGGRESSION back!
by john on Aug 30, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL if the fight hits the ground its over….Usually id insult you for the lack of intelligence shown in that comment, but ill just say this instead EL OH EL!
Should be a real easy win for Dan either tko or ko 1st round second at latest.
by Khaos_Warrior on Aug 30, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way this fight goes to the ground unless Hendo wants it there.He’ll keep it standing and knock this dude out.
by Jack on Aug 30, 2008 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, Dan won’t get caught on the ground. He’s smart[and old] enough not to b get caught by this BJJ Wizard! If it does hit the ground, Palhares won’t be pulling any submissions. Instead he’ll just try to use his BJJ to slither away for Hendo will be grounding and pounding on him all night long baby!!!
by TheNegation on Aug 30, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree John. Hendo should win this fight, but if he takes the fight to the ground, or he gasses and Palhares manages to get him down then Dan will be submitted. He has been submitted by elite level grapplers in the past and Palhares is definatley an elite grappler.
by DB on Aug 30, 2008 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what a good wrestler Hendo is, but it is possible for Jits guys to use Jits takedowns (trips) to get Hendo to the Ground. I see jits guys takedown supperior wrestlers all the time. Machida took down Tito, who saw that coming? I think this is much more of a dangerous fight for Dan then you guys seem to think?
When Hendo fights top level Brzilian Jits guys, he gets submitted.
Big Nog submitted him back in the day
Yesterday I was rewatching the 2005 Grand Prix ande Rogerio caught Dan in a beautiful fake kimura, to arm bar transition.
Anderson Choked him out.
Palhares is the real deal, and if the fight hits the floor it will be OVER! I am a fan of Hendo’s and I want tosee him back to his winning ways so this interview is encouraging. sounds like he knows to keep the fight standing. HOpefully Dan gets back on track but I wont be surprised to see him tap.
Palhares is a tiny 5’8 MUSCLE TANK, he has the leverage advantage over Hendo and I wont be surprised if Rusimar takes Hendo down.
I will be rooting for Hendo but until I see some good cardio out of him and that Trademark aggression, I cant pick Dan to win!
by john on Aug 31, 2008 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AS far as saying when Hendo fights Top BJJ guys he gets submitted is over generalizing. In his fight with Nog, yes he was eventually subbed but evaded something like 57 sub attempts (or maybe it just seemed that way because each one I thought he was finally caught and he got out). He was fighting the guy most consider the top user of BJJ for MMA (and a heavyweight at that) and showed uncanny ground defense. He will be able to handle himself on the ground if it goes there.
by PJJ on Aug 31, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always with excuses from decision dan. You can’t LnP anderson to victory. Also Palhares won’t need to get takedowns to leglock him. He just needs to watch for when hendo overshoots his right, duck and just imanari his ass.
by NameNotRequired on Aug 30, 2008 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Henderson is one bad MF’er, I still cant believe he lost to that schmuck Jackson
by BLOodyMEss on Aug 30, 2008 6:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my friend went to a wrestling camp like 2 weeks ago and had to wrestle hendo and velasques he said hendo was stronger when he grabbed him, i predict a henderson beating up palhares weekend, and i think hendo’s gonna teach the ufc guys what he did in pride and take both belts, theres no way to knock him out and he’s not your typical 1 dimensional wrestler
by randy murders on Aug 30, 2008 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt he takes both belts. One would not surprise me though.
Rob Dib
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by Rob Dib on Aug 30, 2008 6:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I doubt you post a comment that doesn’t advertise your web page. I’m getting used to it though.
Ryan Hobbs
www.myspace.com/randeproject
by RyanHobbs on Aug 31, 2008 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about posting more then one obvious sentence now and then?
by medecine balls on Aug 31, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great to hear that Dan is determined to get a rematch and beat silvas ass. I just dont understand joe silvas reasoning for this match up there is no one other than Dan and Okami who deserve title shots. If dan dominates or finishes the fight he should get an immediate title shot.
If you disagree wait until you see silva dismantle cote in a complete mismatch.
If you ask any former pride fighter (other than maybe A Silva) they will all say that Pride was the best place to fight.
by dia mette on Aug 30, 2008 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because if your fight got boring they could deduct 10% of your purse? Or because they allowed you to do soccer kicks, a common tactic that fighters learn on the streets.
by RyanHobbs on Aug 31, 2008 7:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ADAM. solid interview as usual. i like the fact mentioned about the hieght issue. it seems like alot of mma fighters hieght is slightly embellished. why, i dont know. i can understand in basketball and football, but seems strange to me in mma. its funny when you see 2 fighters listed as different heights and then at the weigh-ins they appear to be the same. ha!, just a little quirk i have.
by b.w. on Aug 30, 2008 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont know why they do that! most fighters height is overstated…Dan is 2 inches shorter than his listed height. Randy has claimed he is close to 6’1 and not 6’2 listed. Chuck is listed as 6’2, and I think thats accurate. I’m 6ft. and when I met him he was about 2 inches taller…very interesting
by Chadx23 on Oct 7, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either the UFC is trying to pump up Rousimar or somebody made a major typo. It says on the website that he is 17-1, yet everywhere else says that he is 8-1.
by Red on Aug 30, 2008 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the UFC typically inflates a fighter’s record. I don’t know why, but they’ve always done that.
also, most fighters i’ve spoken with say that their “official record” as listed on most websites does not include a lot of their earlier fights from smaller venues.
in a lot of cases, their actual record probably exists on a fine line somewhere in between what’s listed as their “official record” and what the UFC has listed.
by wagnerav on Sep 1, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i didn’t know where to put this but here is an interview with chuck liddell. CHUCK YEAH!
by jay on Aug 31, 2008 1:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoa Whoa Whoa Palhares defeats Salavery by submission and suddenly he is a the demi-god of BJJ?
by ejmobile on Aug 31, 2008 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Palhares’ status as a BJJ badass had nothing to do with his submission win over Salavery. He was long considered one of the best BJJ masters at 185 prior to being signed by the UFC. that’s actually why the UFC signed him—because he could threated A.Silva.
by wagnerav on Sep 1, 2008 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Palhares is a very good fighter. he gave big Nog trouble his first day of training with him………. But hendo will beat him within an inch of his life.
by belfort_fan on Aug 31, 2008 4:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
so u could tell that Dan wasn’t 6’1 compared to A.Silva 6’2 when they fought.. I heard that Wanderlei Silva is 5’9 also..
by RoB on Aug 31, 2008 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dan doesn’t sound that excited with UFC…man if I was them I would be keeping Hendo real happy so that he doesn’t jump ship.
by commoner on Sep 1, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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