Phil, I got my phone back yesterday. I lost the phone and had to get a new one. Send me a text message when you get the chance so I can store your number in my phone again.

I have the same #

Cool.

Wanderlei is a good striker, maybe not technically, but Chuck did fine with him. I think it would be a very hard fight to pick a winner….think about it, back when Chuck was dominating 205, would you have so easily said that A. Silva would knock Chuck out? I dont think so….I would have to pick Silva to win since he is younger faster, and more technical, but I would give Chuck a better chance than anyone else has had against Silva so far. Chuck is pushing 38 and hes lived a lot if you know what I mean….of course he would be expected to lose, but all it takes is one or maybe a couple of nicely landed shots. I bet if this fight ever happened Chuck would look to take Silva down and use his size to work a little GnP.

Even if Chuck was 32 yrs old and Silva 32 yrs old.. my bet will be Silva. I picked Rampage to beat Chuck for the LHW UFC Strap. Wandy.. um.. that was Wandy’s first fight in the in Ages.. and Wandy really tried to d otoo much to impress the american public.. Both were like. .This will be a stand battle. shit.. I saw Chuck going for 2 double leg takedowns.. I’ve never seen till then.. Chuck take anyone down. I’m all for him improving and opening up his game.. but no matter if he is or not in his prime and Silva is going through his prime.. if the best Chuck Liddlel would fight the best Anderson Silva..Chuck just may come out the first round.. by the second he would be out cold.. IMO.

Phil: I agree! Chuck has NEVER faced anyone witrh the sharp tools that Silva possesses. Silva’s dancing footwork will make Chuck’s look like a basic electric slide. lol

I really dont think Chuck could ever beat Anderson Silva. Not now that Silva is in his super Prime, thats for sure!

But I would still love to see this fight!

2 great strikers with great chins banging it out….I wont complain!

Silva takes this fight 9 times out of 10. And no way would the betting lines for this fight be that steep. Right now, Anderson simply can not be beat.

However, I find it quite pointless to even talk about this fight. In order for this fight to actually happen, Chuck would have to lose a fight before fighting Anderson. After he fights and defeats Rashad, he will get a title shot against Forrest. If Chuck loses, then he could fight Anderson but who would want to see that after he just lost to Forrest? Or if he beats Forrest and becomes Champ, there are a few fighters out there that deserve a title shot. For example, if Rampage wins his next fight against Shogun or Wanderlei then he’ll probably fight Chuck. With the stacked LHW division, there is always a challenger to the belt. WHen is the winner of Machida/Thiago SIlva going to be in the real picture???

What is the ideal scenario for this fight to go down?

What if BJ beats GSP and then Anderson becomes MW and LHW champ? Then the UFC has 5 weight clases and only 3 champs. And we are all upset that we only get two more title defendes between now and the end of the year – which is just RIDICULUOUS. Never mind the fact that they are two very lopsided matchups. If there were only 3 champs can you imagine how few title fights we’d get to see? We’d be lucky to see 4 a year.

i dont disGREE mIKE but I have a feeling trhat Forrest wont even defend his title until the spring! Lets hope I am wrong!

John/Phil, I think the reason the Wandy fight went Chuck’s way is b/c Chuck is a counter-striker. Wandy played right into it. The way Chuck hangs back and Anderson likes to hang back the first couple minutes, I could actually see boo’s in the first half of the first round. After that, I think Chuck may do a great job staying out of the clinch. Ultimately, Anderson will come in for the kill and chuck will either land a counter bomb or go down from the attack. My guess is Chuck goes down, but I think he could make it to the 2nd.

boos in a chuck or anderson fight? don’t see it happening. chuck has too many fans and the spider never gets booed (unless he’s fighting rich lol). I still take wandy over chuck in a rematch, specially if it’s a fiver rounder if chuck gets his belt back.

Linx: I agree that Wandy will probably beat Chuck the next time around. Chuck fought one of his best fights against wandy. He even went for those BS takedowns! I love the ground game, but if you are just going to take someone down, and DO NOTHING with it, then why should you get points. I think it showed that Wandy hadn’t fought in the octagon and under these rules in a while against Chuck. When he rocked chuck and KO him, had that been a PRIDE fight, Wandy would have rushed in with a soccer kick harder than Ronaldhino’s and BLASTED chuck. Instead he knocked chuck down and FROZE! That will never happen again. Now that Wandy is getting comfortable he is going to be very tough to beat, and I would take him in a re-match over Liddell for sure!

John, I’m with you on Forrest not defending until at least Spring. You must have put it in another thread too because I replied to it.

All of their PPV main event are booked through the end of January. So at the EARLIEST it would be in February.

I agree John, I’m not trying to take anything away from chuck’s win over wandy, but it was wandy’s first fight inside the octagon in over 10 years with new rules to deal with, new atmosphere, new everything. he didn’t even use his knees! He’s getting more comfortable inside the cage and a second fight I just see wandy taking it.

How Many times Was Wandi Staggerd in that fight.You guys are funny.

what is Staggerd and how many?

Linx: Staggerd is basically like drugged, or hurt. " How many times was Wandu hurt/drugged/staggerd in that fight.

DBG: I don’t question Chuck did have Wandy hurt and few times.. but in the second round Wandy caught Chuck.. (even thought Joe said it was a slip.. Wandy caught Chuck..and Chuck fell ) No questions in my mindthat Chuck won.. but he did not destroy Wany.. to me it was pretty close.. Till Chuck locked up the 3rd round.

agreed about Wanderlei freezing when CHuck slipped and fell the first time and again when he knocked Chuck on his butt the 2nd time…Look how fast Wanderlei swarmed Jardine in their fight when Jardine wnet down…But I think Wandy is not an idiot and he knew that Chuck hits just as hard if not harder than he does so he didnt want to rush in on Chuck like a crazed maniac…thats why he looked slow in their fight.

I think that when chuck hit his ass the second time it was because footing,go back and watch it again his feet were planted akward, i don’t think it rocked him or was even that good of a punch. I think it was more of a he was off balance and got hit.Phil your a fighter right. I’m sure you know a little bit about that.I know i do happened to me Plenty of times.

you may call it a slip, I call it a knock down, and in a rematch wandy will follow through :) Doesn’t matter if it’s a slip or a knock down, wandy always follows through.

Yea like he did with Henderson, and i call it wandi’s head snapping back and legs go wabbaling a lot more than chucks

maybe if he wasn’t in the hospital the day before with a fever, he could have had a better game against hendo. what else? are you also going to mention the KO he got from cro cop? so what?

None of those losses are any worse than the one chuck received from rampage in Pride anyways LOL.

yeah wandi totally takes it in a rematch, hell if that fight had been a five rounder i would say wandi by ko late in the fourth, chuck couldn’t even stand up straight by the end of the third…when chuck wants to lay and pray it’s a good bet that his wad is blown. he definitely won the fight but had it gone longer i think wandi would have caught him with one of those windmill hooks, that’s just my opinion, fact is no one knows what would have happened, but i do know i want a rematch and i take wandi

You know what guys, you don’t really need to debate on this fight as to who’s gonna win or what not. We just have to wait and see if this fight materializes in the first place. Then wait for the results. All we could do for now is predict. Debates are pointless if it’s a “dream match-up…”

And i ‘m not trying to be a dick but if wandi is going through his prime right now his prime sucks.1 win for his last 4. I’m not arguing he is very talented and a great fighter. and i do see him getting to be lhw champ again but not against Liddell. I think if there is a second fight it turs out just like the first.

I’m really starting to think Forrest is going to be Liddell now. Especially after he made Rampage limp so bad with those leg kicks. I’m pretty much done counting Forrest out of any fight.

Dont do that, hel start losing! even tho he his champ i really do think forest is massively underrated. he is a very well rounded fighter with an iron will, he is also a very intelligent fighter, and comes up with great game plans, he does train with randy tho, the master of the game plan.

Me too. Im never counting him out. As for Silva, dominating Chuck and Forrest… I dont see a domination. I think any of those possible fights could go either way. I dont think anyone in the UFC can hit as hard as Chucky, with the technique he brings. Anyone that gets caught by him will hit the canvas, but that can be said for everyone that has gotten caught by Silva as well. It really is a toss up for me. Forrest leg kicks are serious business too. He almost took Pages leg right off. ;)

I dontthink Forrest will even defend his title until the spring! I have nothing to back that statment up, but to me it seems like 1sttime title winners like to hold on to the belt a little longer then usual before even defending it!

Unfortunately, I wouldnt be surprised to see Forrest “on the shelf” until spring!

Lets hope that I am wrong about that one!

Seeing that the UFC has all thier Main Events set from now through the end of January, I’m going to have to believe so as well. Dana wants Forrest to be able to hold onto that belt for as long as possible, or unti Chuck can win it back. I don’t care what anyone says, but Dana REALLY prefers Chuck or Forrest as champ instead of Machida or Thiago Silva.

Forrest vs Machida would be a very interesting fight. Forrest with his stick and move AND reach advantage may actually prove to be tricky for Machida to figure out….. at first.

Hopefully, I am wrong and we at least see Forrest back in Febuary. I wouldnt hold my breath. I see Forrest going the Matt SErra route and waiting a while before even defending it!

VM: the title picture at 205 gets tricky because the winner of Tiago vs. machida has been promised a title shot (according to THiago). Dana needs to do the right thing and give the winner of that fight a title shot, if not he will have 1 angry Brazilian Monster on his hands!

John, do you still have my #? I doubt it if you lost your phone. Ever since I gave Phil your phone number combined with you taking your BJJ classes, I feel quite neglected, lol.

Yo VM: I tried hollaring at you my dude.. but do you still havethe same #..on the day UFC87 I tried calling you.. but got some error message.

Oh yeah, I got a new number. I’ll have to call you from it sometime soon. It’s a 203-556 number so pick it up when I call!

I didnt have your number but I got it store now.

I will answer. Dont know any other 203 #’s so call anytime.

Thanks, now I am going to go off topic some more since you seem to enjoy it so much!

EliteXC:

October 4th cbs:
Ninja vs. Benji Radach

November 8th (showtime)
Robbie Lawler vs. Villasenyor (title fight)

joey should look to take this fight to the ground. Villasenior is not going to be able to beat Lawler on the feet more times than not. However, on the ground, he wins this fight more times than not. With that said, I don’t really see this fight hitting the ground cuz Joey prefers to stand and bang.

This is going to be Robbie Lawler’s THIRD Title Defense since May of this year. Can you imagine of a UFC fighter defended thier belt 3 times in 6 months???? I sure can’t!

wouldn’t that be nice?

All I know is that you spell wanderlei’s name with a V….LMAO!

U drink the comapany kool aid. All I know is that we will never SEE cHUCK VS. fEDOR SO GO DREAM ABOUT IT ON YOUR OWN TIME!

LOLOL, is this boy serious???

Fighting Anderson Silva would NOT be a waste of time for Chuck. It would actually be a waste of a career because Anderson has a better chance of seriously huring Chuck and forcing him into retirement than, Chuck has a chance at beating Anderson. I would give Chuck about a 15% chance at winning that fight. Anderson wins at least 4 out of 5 times, if not 10 out of 10. And why does the MW champ have to fight at HW now???? One weight class at a time buddy. If two weight classes is not big deal, why doesnt Chuck cut wieght and fight at WW, or heck, even MW? Your love for Chuck is really clouding your judgement.

And you, especially being a Chuck fan, think you have Chuck’s career all mapped out, now do ya? NEWS FLASH PAL, if Chuck beats Rashad, he gets a title shot. Why would he fight Jardine? Do you have inside sources that is telling you that Forrest is fightin Jardine at UFC 89 and that Forrest will win?

Chuck is going to be in the UFC for the rest of his career. Fedor will not fight in the UFC. You dream too much.

Who is Victor Silva? I don’t know of any good fighters named V.Silva?

Then you say:

“Chuck can be matched up against anyone. BJ, GSP, Silva, Machida, Sylvia, Randy (mashed him up) and even fedor – but we cant say the same for silva because there would be too many excuses – mainly from you, about fedor is too big, heavy or whatever. "

Again, when is Chuck dropping down to WW and now LW to take these fights you speak of? It looks to me like you were trying to list the best fighter of each division, and you name TIM SYLVIA? What is wrong with you? LOLOL. That, for the 8th time or so, proves that your claims/posts can not be taken seriously.

If either one of Chuck or Anderson can move around wieght classes, it would be Anderson. Chuck can only increase his alcohol intake and fight at HW. However, Anderson Silva has already proven that he can fight at MW and LHW. Anderson would even consider dropping below 185 in a catch weight to fight GSP if need be. Lets see Chuck drop a wiegh class.

About 99.9% of fighters fight below their walking around wieght.

LOLOL, John, I started typing up my response before you even responded for the first time. It’s appearantly awaiting Mod and I hope it goes through cleanly…. You MUST check it!

Awwwwwwww, all most all of the "good parts’ were edited out… oh well. Thanks for editing it and getting it up though! I would have been upset if it never made it up at all. But John, I dissed him several times with pretty funny vocab and where he “inside sources” reside. LOL

aaawww, john look yourchum has come to back your case with his pointless essays.

i like chattin to john now n than cuz he talks sense, even if its not my opinion, i respect his – but you VM your just full of it – i hate your crap, i never respond to your posts – so stay off mine in future, John can handle him self and talk his own mind.

How Does Anderson Silva"s Nut sac Taste Cause everyone on this site pretty much is hanging on to it pretty tight. Come on no one remembers right before he came to the ufc there was a poll (who will be the first ufc champ to lose his belt 90 Percent said franklin)then when it happened everyone started the talk anderson is the best pound for pound in the world.Then He beat travis luter Witch again Is,nt a A fighter and reall to me. (my Opinion did’t impress me).Then Nate Marquaradt,A little better but again no reason to say he is the best in the world.Then Rich again Still not impressed.Then the Dan Henderson Fight Witch finally he was fighting a A list fighter and again did not impress lost round one,and caught dan, I don’t know if it’s beacause the middle weight in the ufc just dosent impress me or if it is cause everyone is sucking at the teat of the spider. Just again in my point of view not the baddest man on the planet. and i would love to see Anderson fight Dan again

DBG: Dan has to fight his way back up to another shot..I kind of feel for the guy.. he cmose back to the UFC since leaving in 1998.. to fight 2 Champions.. that is why I feel bad for my Brazilian Brother Rousimar.. I would not want to fight a Dan Henderson after 2 losses.. Nah.

But If me being Brazilian sheds a bit of Bias on mypart so be it.. but it’s a clear cut issue we have currently with the MW and LW division. The Champion BJ Penn and Anderson Silva are light years ahead of the pack.. they make their divisions look weak.. when they’re not. maybethey should jsut come up wit ha 1# Contender’s Belt for he LW’s and MW’s. On a business side this can not be good. We look at a Silva/Cote fight.. and make bets on how long Cote will last with Silva.. not if he can beat.. the same with BJ.. at 155 who could be him.?? I can not think of anyone.. that is why we have these Mega fight talks a bit more nowadays.. I am a DIEHARD Silva fan and hope never loses..and reites Champ. I speak as his Fan. And with BJ. I hope comes and brings his top game day in and day out.. cuz he is soooo gifted.. but is it good that there is such a gap between the Champ and pack??? It’s up for debate…

I understand that hendo has to fight his way back,i really do all i was saying is it wasn’t like silva murdered hendo,and i think (own personal opinion that hendo beats silva next if the fight ever happens). and i do not Question that bj is light years ahead of most in mma you will never hear me say im not impressed with bj.All i’m saying is if and when silva loses again ,will everybody still think he is number one in the world or will he be in the same light a chuck where everyone loved him thought he was god’s gift and when he lost,people say he needs to retire,hell when he wins people don’t give it to him(Wandi fight, saying next time oh next time) all im sayin is Anderson isn’t this God everyone has made him out to be.Hope I’m not pissing any one off that’s not what i’m trying to do,just putting my two cents in i guess

I get your point DBG.. the way I see it is.. the some what answer your question is.. " if when Silva loses again..how does he lose ".. Chuck got dropped before even breaking asweat against Rampage2.. and then went 3rounds with at a time most of us thought he was goingto knock Jardine’s head into outerspace..I was a big Silva fan..before he had his title. Chuck.. is a one trick pony.. but he is REALLY good at the one trick.. Sprawl and Brawl.. bait and counter punch.. that is palce a fighter does not want to be in with the ICeman.. but when it doesn’t work for him.. he doesn’t adapt his game.. he kind of forces the issue.. from what I’ve seen. Silva is not a God.. Fedor is not a God.. BJ is not.. the are men..that bleed and feel pain like we all do.. but the a are special fighter’s in their own rite.. not often do we get to an Anderson Silva/ Fedor / BJ Penn.

Your a pretty decent guy phil. thanks for your input and not getting in a stupid computer fight.

Cry me a river Insain, you got schooled!

I wish I had come back to this thread ealier…

And John had nothing to do with it, I was attacking your statement about how Cuck Liddell should be resting his nuts in your mouth.

And he just so happend to beat me to it.

While I was typing my essay

BURNNN!!! Insain, These last couple of posts gave us a real good idea of where your knowledge is at. I doubt anyone serious will ever be debating with you on this site again!

by the way, VM handed you your ass! How does it feel?

u R PROBABLY THE ONLY TO THINK THAT rANDYU HAS A SHOT AGAINST THE rUSSIAN eXPERIMENT!

i dont think that – where did u get that from? – look – heres my list of top fighters just for future ref:

Liddell, Diaz, AA, Fedor, CC, BJ and Babalu

so dont assume that i think anyone will beat these guys – i root for them everytime. Im not on the randy bandwagon – at all.

Insain: Why isn’t Silva on your top fighters list?? Just Curious.

Insain, are those your list of top fighters, or a list of your favorite fighters?

PhilQNY: A.Silva? …because he simply doesnt impress me. I like the way is so technical and precise, but thats about it. IMO he hasnt been tested. He walks at 215(HW) so at least he should cut and stay at LHW. Thats when he will fight real competition, until then, hes just fighting fights he knows he can win without too much trouble.

my favourites

Is it Chuck’s Fault Forrest is from Tuf 1

who said anything about chucky being at fault? DBG, you should take some cla$$es about reading, you don’t seem to know how to interpret someone’s post. I’m not faulting Chuck about wanting the belt, only that he shouldn’t be fighting rashad of all ppl in order to be a challenger for the belt.

instead of fighting someone who got owned by tito, fight someone who actually beat tito (machida). but no, he does not want that, he wants someone from tuf, he wants rashad. and what chuck wants chuck gets, that’s all I’m saying. I’m not saying anything about forrest :?

You Got some one on the inside Telling you that chuck said he didn’t want to Fight the track runner of the year.(machida)and you were the Dumb axx Impleying chuck only wants To fight guys From the Tuf show. You may want to look at your post again numbnuts you were implying chuck wants to fight only guys from the show like the guys from the show were nothing.

well, I didn’t know you were an @$$, otherwise I wouldn’t have responded in the first place, good to know though LOL.

BTW, saying machida is a track runner really shows what kind of fan (if you really want to call yourself that) you really are…

Out of curiousity, was Chuck one of the guys (Forrest and I can’t remember who else) who said that they wanted no part of Machida? Simply b/c they couldn’t find anyone who fights his style, thus making extremely difficult to prepare for? Help me out a little, my memory is like a sieve today.

who fights his style (for a sparring partner). sorry

chef, it was actually his coach who said that (chuck’s coach), that machida was just too tough to train for and that they didn’t want a fight with him for now. (you’re right about forrest though, he said he wants no part of machida).

Besides those two, I can’t think of anybody else rejecting the idea of fighting machida. I should also mention that both chuck and forrest said they wouldn’t want to face him now because he’s just too hard to train for, not that he’s a track runner as some ppl try to say lol.

Brandon Vera rejected a fight against Machida recently. I think that’s who chef is thinking of.

im saying he’s not exciting what so ever. You honestly think if the ufc said chuck we wan you to fight Machida he’d say no give me a less deserving guy.

and yea it does show what kind of fan i am i like a stand up war or a jits battle i dont like to pay 49 dollars to see a 200 yard dash.

that’s true LJ, forgot about that one!

Just a thought, what if all those guys who rejected Machida said that they wanna fight him instead? You know, guys like Forrest and VEra? Where does this place Thiago Silva? Will he be fighting a sub-level A fighter again before gettin’ lined up for that title shot? Just curious…