Greased lightning: Kenny Florian 'A little suspicious' of Roger Huerta at UFC 87
by Jesse Holland on Aug 21, 2008 6:00 PM EDT
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To be honest he was really slippery and I don't mean that like technically-wise, he was really slippery. I don't know, I don't want to speculate and say that something was used or whatever but he was just hard to hang on to and that was from all the positions. Even when I had him in like a headlock or a guillotine everything was just really slippery. When I get the position, when I get mount, when I get back-mount, I've fought and I've wrestled some of the best guys on the ground from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and submission wrestling to MMA and when I get those positions you're not getting out and Roger was able to get out. It was pretty slippery so I was a little surprised. Just the first time I was mounted on him and he gave his back I was a little suspicious, I knew something was up. Who knows, all I know is I'm good at keeping those positions and I know the difference between sweat and something else and it felt like something else but who knows. (Jokingly) Maybe it's Albolene left over from the day before from the weight cut!
UFC lightweight contender Kenny Florian indicates that something didn't feel quite right in his decision win over Roger Huerta at UFC 87: "Seek and Destroy" on August 9.
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Yea! This is probably just an excuse for his poor performance!
by JV on Aug 21, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
poor performance? lol he ran a clinic on huerta.
by mycorona135 on Aug 21, 2008 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, a track and field clinic. Huerta is just physicaly stronger than him.
by the_mexicutioner on Aug 21, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Did Huerta just pull a Melvin Guillard????
Who just so happened to pull a Melvin on Huerta.
by ViolentMike on Aug 22, 2008 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Ran a clinic? Whatever. Im so sick of people saying that Huerta got his ass kicked. I personally could have seen that fight go either way until the last 10 seconds when Kenny landed some good combos… neither was ever hurt. No one took an ass whoopin. And no one ran a clinic. It reminds me of when I was in high school and people would always act like their friend won a fight… when it wasnt even like that.
by enzo-enormous on Aug 22, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Really he says he doesn’t want to speculate and say something was used, but he has no proof and says something anyway. What a douche. I wonder what his excuse is gonna be when Stevenson chokes him out.
by the_mexicutioner on Aug 21, 2008 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
mex. i usually like to hear ur opinions, and loved the boycott. but here u are way off base. if a guy is willing to take a risk on a fight against another top 5 guy at his weight while he can wait for a title shot, he’s not gonna make up bogus stuff about a guy he just beat. if this was tito, then yea i could see that criticism is justified but this is not one of those guys
by crowls on Aug 22, 2008 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions
So where is the proof? His claims are unfounded. It was such an issue he waited almost two weeks to say something, right? By his own admission to make an acusation would be speculation. If he had any balls and really beleived this he should have said something at the post fight press conference. I mean, if he ever does get to fight BJ, is he gonna say the same thing if he is lucky enough to get BJ in “one of those positions” and BJ easily escapes? Florian may be the better overall fighter, but Huerta is just physically stronger than Kenny. Between the two, who do you think wins and arm wrestling match?
by the_mexicutioner on Aug 22, 2008 6:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I can’t believe how much bias I see on these sites. I was never a forum person before MMA blogs came about. But too many people pick people they like and cling to them in a way I didn’t expect. Kenny isn’t the type to make excuses. I’m sure Huerta felt slippery. Do you do any BJJ? The differnce in difficulty getting submissions between the first round and the second is insane from simple ordinary sweating. If a guy felt slippery to me in the first, i would suspect something. Once you’ve grappled with a multitude of people, you know when somehting is up. Kenny says he doesn’t want to speculate when what he means is he knows it sounds bad and might make him look bad for saying it. I like Huerta just as much as Kenny. I’m not saying Huerta is guilty, but I really don’t think Kenny would just make something up knowing how that sounds. And enough trashing technical fighters who win. Kalib ran and was losing. Kenny was winning and landing strikes. If you just want a brawl, MMA isn’t the sport for you.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Aug 22, 2008 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions
if i’m huerta fighting kenny florian i make sure i’m as sweaty as possible when i step in that octagon. i think that’s all it was kenny probably never had someone be so sweaty so early.
by rob on Aug 22, 2008 3:16 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m siding with Punch you in the ovaries on this one. (Never in my life did I think I would say or type that one! Not cuz of your opinion, simply becuase of your screen name…)
I really don’t think that Kenny would just make up such a claim. Kenny is all about respect and he would not show disrespect to anyone without being VERY close to certain.
I always thought Huerta was a little grease monkey to begin with.
by ViolentMike on Aug 22, 2008 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah Rob, I’m not disagreening. Like I said, I’m not saying Huerta cheated. I’m just saying I’m sure Kenny is being honest about what he experienced.
by Punch You in the Ovaries on Aug 22, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
This entire thread is a moot point.
Huerta lost. Ken won.
Let’s move on…
by OJR on Aug 22, 2008 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
here is no way to prove it, but I would have to agree; he should know the difference, or know when something is unusual. Isn’t that part of applying the experience that a fighter has attained over the years?
by Kimura by Fedor on Aug 22, 2008 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I like Florian…but this is just sour grapes because he finally found a guy he couldn’t finish.
by BigFatManiac on Aug 21, 2008 6:08 PM EDT reply actions
There’s a trick, use lots of lotion the day of, ur completely dry but when u start sweating your skin has a slippery feel.
by THORAZINE on Aug 21, 2008 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
There very well be something to it Huerta nuthuggers. There is no proof so Kenny should have kept his mouth shut. Funny thing is, if Kenny was talking about Sherk like that you would have wanted Sherk thrown out of the UFC.
by DJR on Aug 21, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with DJR.
Also he has Roger’s back TWICE and Roger just rolled out of it like Kenny was a scrub on the ground. I wouldnt be surprised if he did use and type of lube.
by JRV on Aug 21, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
ALSO, Roger has seemd to be able to roll out of anything in his previous fights, which made him quite famous for his scrambling abilities. HOWEVER, did he have an unfair advantage? How could Huerta out grapple Crane?
by ViolentMike on Aug 22, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
it simple VM when you have a good wrestlers that knows decent BJJ against a poor overall MMA fighter/great BJJ artist(in this case crane being and jits fighter with lil overall skill.) ive seen soo many time in grappling contest..a wrestler will mostly like get submitted by a bjj artist…but when you teach that wrestler a decent jits game, then you have trouble as a jits guy…we all know wrestler are very fast paced great conditioned athletes. he will be able to defend alot better, defend jits sweeps and inside take downs. the wrestler will be able to out work you..constantly adjusting positions. shifting weight, moving your upper torso, out muscle wrist control. when you have a guy like that…you need to be a BJJ artist world class and on top of your game 24/7….remember crane had taken a long break and was 2003 bjj champion (correct me if im off). some fighter are just amazing scramblers…sanchez,bj penn,huerta, tyson griffin, clay guida, nate diaz, gsp, anderson silva, rich franklin, henderson.most of these guy have never been submitted by your everyday jits guy that know mma..they were submitted by elite grapplers that have mastered the art of adjusting their game to MMA. some ppl are just not meant to be held down by an almost one dimensional fighter
by santiago69us on Aug 22, 2008 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions
same here. He wins and he still decides to bring a good guy like huerta down?? Plus, we all watch fights in HD now a days from home, we would have seen his body to be a little more “slippery”. i didnt notice anything out of the ordinary IMO. I think kenny is really having a hard time believing that huerta is a little better/tougher than he originally thought. I say they rematch and kenny really tries to get in there and actually help roger create “fight of the year”
by blah on Aug 21, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
A good guy like huerta? The same guy that was wanting to get paid 6 figures and get ppv points, than loses and just wants a retirement package. I doubt Huerta did anything like that, but if he had a fight that he needed to do everything he possibly could to win…. that was the fight. He had a lot riding, if he beat florian he would have had a lot of negotiation leverage. Still, extremely doubtful that he would risk it.
by James S on Aug 21, 2008 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
what does wanting to get paid more have anything to do with being a good guy? If you dont ask, then how will you ever know. If it were you and your employer asking for a raise wouldnt make you a different person or a bad guy just for asking would it?
by blah on Aug 21, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
lol i wouldnt say he was asking for a raise, more so, going behind there back and complaining to the press
by mitt romney on Aug 21, 2008 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Wanting to get paid more is fine. Wanting to get paid more than a couple of current champs and then saying you basicallly just want a retiremnt package is stupid. He was acting like he was in a position to make demands until he lost. Maybe not a bad guy, but what do I know of him that makes him a good or bad guy. The point I was trying to make was if any time was important for him to pull all the stops for a win, it was that fight.
by James S on Aug 21, 2008 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Why does Lyoto (I mean Kenny) need to say stupid stuff like that? Very disrespectful to Roger. Kenny didn’t impress me at all in his performance. Quite frankly I don’t care when he fights next.
by Adam on Aug 21, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
what would he gain by making it up? He won already. Have you ever seen him get mount and lose it? and Huerta isn’t that good to get out of it either. I applaud Kenny for calling him out. True or not, he gains nothing by saying it, so I tend to believe him!
by kevin doesn't know shit on Aug 21, 2008 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with all of you. THis is just tasteless of Kenny to do that. He got the win, no reason to bash Huerta for it! He was trying to make a shiesty accusation but in a respectful and joking way…well I am happy that we all really saw it for what it was, a tasteless act of disrespect because Kenny didnt finish a fight and because the fight didn’t live up to the expectations. Huerta has shown great submission defense and the ability to get out of bad positions since joining the UFC and non of his prior opponents complained. Sorry Kenny, but you are better than this, atleast I thought!
by john on Aug 21, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
All you people were the same people dissing Roger when he was asking for more money. Why the change of heart? I’ve rewatched the fight and Kenny has a reasonable suspicion.
by JRV on Aug 21, 2008 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m still dissing Roger, but still, if it was a legit concern, kenny should have brought it up during the fight or immediately after. Not the classises thing to do it know. A little uncharacteristic of Florian.
by James S on Aug 21, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
JRV: I just rewatched it too, what part did you find suspicious? Taking into account that Roger has darker skin and black ink- their “moisture” level seemed equal. They both started out looking dry, they both started looking a little sweating around 2.5-3 minutes in, Kenny didn’t seem to have any trouble handling Roger in the clinch, Roger used the cage to get back on his feet during the 1st back mount and was 1/2 way on his feet before Kenny tried to sink anything in and I didn’t see Kenny wiping his hands on his shorts. The sub defense didn’t look unusual. Is there a particular point where you thought something was foul?
Sidebar: Goldie referring to Roger’s “nasty place” gets funnier and funnier every time I hear it.
by DSmith on Aug 21, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He gave a disclaimer, so it comes down to wether you think Kenny is a liar. Obviously, I don’t know him peronally, but I’m not seeing the upside of just making this up out of the blue. He may be wrong about his final conclusions, but even he stated that.
by Jrandolph on Aug 21, 2008 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmmmm…..I’ve got an idea. As NONE of us were fighting Huerta, we can speculate all we want and still not know one godd@mn thing of what we’re talking about. Florian however, WAS in the ring, thus giving him a better view than even those with HD (that comment was laughable). Huerta= innocent until proven guilty. Florian=who actually made contact with Huerta (unlike any of us) and tends to be a very respectful guy, KNOWS far more than we can GUESS.
by chefdaddy on Aug 21, 2008 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Well then why would he say it, and not be sure at the same time? What sense does that make? Why call someone out on something that your not 100% sure on? Huerta would be the last one to do something like that. Do you guys not remember Huerta/Guillard??? Guillard did that to Huerta in their fight and got caught!
by JV on Aug 21, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because it was done to him doesn’t mean that he wouldn’t do it someone else. Neither Kenny or Roger seem like dishonest guys to me, but it’s an allegation that has to be taken seriously. If there is a way to investigate that’s what needs to happen.
by DSmith on Aug 22, 2008 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions
thank you chef. kenflo is one of the classiest guys around. ppl don’t like him cuz of the finishing comment he made and the fact he doesn’t look like a fighter. the will jump on him first opportunity they get and this is it i guess. cut him some slack. i bet he’s tellin the truth…even if roger didn’t specifically do anything, maybe he’s just super sweaty. kenny gains nothing by this and he’s smarter than to say it if he didn’t actually experience it.
by crowls on Aug 22, 2008 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
That’s right chef…it comes down to the fact that Kenny was in the ring with Huerta…not us. I’m not saying that Huerta was lubed up but I don’t see why Kenny would make that up. He won the fight and he looked great in the fight in my opinion. He frustrated Roger and Roger never had a chance to mount much of an attack…it was a well executed gameplan. Kenny has fought a lot of guys and spars all the time so I believe him when he says he knows the difference between sweat and something else but no one will ever know if Huerta had something on him. It’s impossible to rewatch the fight to see if this is true. Kenny has always been able to maintain dominant positions in all of his fights and Huerta has some insane escapes so you can’t judge it based on that. There’s no way to investigate such a thing so it should just be dropped. Kenny probably shouldn’t have said anything at all but maybe he’s just trying to raise a flag for the next time Huerta fights someone. Either way…Kenny is all class and a great ambassador of the sport and he’s an exciting and technical fighter. He’s probably the smartest fighter in the UFC as well.
by Buster Bluth on Aug 22, 2008 7:57 AM EDT up reply actions
im sorry but i think kenny has a point here no point gettin thick here at him ive watched the fight and it just looked like huerta had sweat all over him. it was wrong like a layer of sweat. he looked like a greased up porn star
by the heat on Aug 21, 2008 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
Wow…look he bad mouths Roger through the entire article and proclaims how good he is and then TRY to white wash your statements and clean it up at the end…LOSER.
You say something because you mean it. Don’t say, “I was just kidding”.
by holmz on Aug 21, 2008 6:16 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t think Huerta would do something like that. Hell, it happened to him in his fight with Melvin. Melvin was all greased up and they had the loss overturned.
by Sean_M on Aug 21, 2008 6:18 PM EDT reply actions
the way Huerta has been acting i would say this is true and also i dont think Florian would just says this if he didnt know something was up
by bo on Aug 21, 2008 6:27 PM EDT reply actions
We need the context in which this was said. Why would the winner of a match just offer up the fact that his oppent was possibly cheating? What does this do for Kenny? Maybe he was asked a question re: Huerta, but to just offer up this information doen’t make much sense.
Mania, do you have knowledge of the question asked?
by Jeff on Aug 21, 2008 6:30 PM EDT reply actions
You make a really good point. Why would Kenny be saying this? I wanna say he said the same thing 2 days after the fight on mmaweekly. They tried to get him to elaborate and he wouldn’t go any further with it. You might be able to find that interview on iTunes.
by DSmith on Aug 21, 2008 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Thannk you, DSmith. I’ll check out the interview when I have an opportunity.
by Jeff on Aug 22, 2008 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya, I too would like to know the context.
Though the reason he might say this is Kenny has been running his mouth about how he ‘finishes fights’ so maybe he wanted an excuse.
by ShaiZ on Aug 21, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions
When you click on the link the interview w/ Kenny starts at 35:55
by DSmith on Aug 21, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
no, and if that was the case he must have had that on him in every fight.. he escaped every submission attempt from Alberto Crane so i would have been shocked if Kenny got him! what was the only disturbing fact in this fight was that Roger didn’t have the same speed and wasn’t as ferocious like he usually is..
by RoB on Aug 21, 2008 6:32 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, that’s because Kenny was that much faster making Huerta seem slow. That and when you got your butt kicked, people don’t usually look back and think you looked fast and ferocious.
by RedDog on Aug 21, 2008 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t imagine Roger or anyone really, taking the risk at this level. I also can’t imagine if Kenny thought this that he didn’t say anything at the time (before the end of the fight). Wouldn’t that be something that would really make you concerned, especially in a must win fight? I do remember him saying he was slippery in his post fight interview w/ Joe, but he also said before that that Roger was very technical with his sub defense. I can watch the fight again, but is Kenny just upset he did finish?
by DSmith on Aug 21, 2008 6:32 PM EDT reply actions
Come on, Huerta’s proved to be able to get out of situations such as the ones Kenny got him in. I doubt he was greasing. Florian won, cant he just be happy?
by Joey 1.0 on Aug 21, 2008 6:35 PM EDT reply actions
I’ve heard Kenny mention this in another interview but he didn’t react too much to it and just said “yah you know i tried to finish him but he was REALLY slippery”
by Toad on Aug 21, 2008 6:36 PM EDT reply actions
just shut the hell up kenny, you got the win.
by tony dollar on Aug 21, 2008 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
I think anybody who assumes this is sour grapes is probably an idiot. Kenny won the fight; he has no motive to lie about something like this. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised (this is coming from somebody who was rooting for Roger but expecting Kenny to win).
by Ben! on Aug 21, 2008 6:53 PM EDT reply actions
Someone mentioned Crane not getting subs either…
My guess is that Kenny did his research and other people who have fought Roger have said the same thing behind closed doors. However, Kenny won, so he could say something and NOT have it sound like sour grapes.
Huerta is a tough guy and a brawler, he is not a technical fighter. Kenny is a professional and had no motive for making this shit up. I say there’s a good chance Huerta lubes on a regular basis, and Kenny finally had the balls to call him out on it.
by Soups on Aug 21, 2008 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Albolene is a substance that people apply to their skin before cutting weight. It opens the pores, allowing you to sweat more.
by Jay on Aug 21, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
It appears to be a form of make up remover…so is Kenny saying that Roger is a cheating drag queen?
by BigFatManiac on Aug 21, 2008 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
tony dollar must be upset that his fantasy lover lost.
by sbud on Aug 21, 2008 6:54 PM EDT reply actions
I have to agree with RoB that has always been a thing with Huerta. People cant keep him down they could take him down but keeping him down is a different story. Guida couldn’t, Crane couldn’t, Florian you couldn’t. If he was greased up then Florian should have finished the fight by knocking him out. I forgot Florian did not want anything to do with Huerta on his feet. Maybe Florian was so concern with giving a dominate position or be reversed and he be the one on his back that he was to cautious when he had dominant positions because on their feet he was overlly catious, that was just his game plan survive and win dont do anything that gives Huerta in advantage.
by hk on Aug 21, 2008 7:06 PM EDT reply actions
I think a lot of fighters have win and don’t give your opponent the advantage in their game plans.
by James S on Aug 21, 2008 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions
but they dont have excuses afterwards for their performance, as a matter most are happy and let it be known they were able to execute their game plan.
by hk on Aug 21, 2008 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You make a good point. Irrelevent to what I posted, but i get what your saying.
by James S on Aug 21, 2008 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe Roger has been greasing up since he got into the UFC?
by JRV on Aug 21, 2008 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe a few guys on this site have been “greasing it up” since Roger got into the UFC. haha ( I know its a stupid and immature joke, but its late and if I don’t post something I’ll have to resort to working. Which I have little intention of doing. Thanks for understanding.)
by James S on Aug 21, 2008 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions
No doubt, James S. With all the “I had trouble mounting him”, “he gave me his back”, and “greasing it up” comments, it’s gets a little uncomfortable around here.
by Jrandolph on Aug 21, 2008 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
this is just no news to make news, KEnny needs to quite his big mouth he’s not that good and was afraid of Huerta,
2nd the ref’s check every part of every fighter for such obvious stuff like “grease” or vaseline or whatever, the ufc checked him and cleared him.
Huerta tried to fight with Kenjo but ken jo was making miles like kalib come on this is not a story
by GORANDY on Aug 21, 2008 7:12 PM EDT reply actions
The UFC should just keep an eye out on Roger Huerta. If he really did do it, then he won’t be able to anymore. If he didn’t do it, then there is no harm in making sure that he doesn’t cheat.
by RyanHobbs on Aug 21, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions
What? If you don’t wanna sound like your saying something like that? Then don’t say it Kenny. Drrr.
Rob Dib
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by Rob Dib on Aug 21, 2008 8:05 PM EDT reply actions
guys, I would say that Kenny is telling the truth…
#1. He won and gains nothing (Even the whole I finish fights doesnt really leverage the fact)
#2. It was a super huge fight for both why wouldnt roger grease it up… really though, tough times call for tough actions.
#3. “He wouldnt cheat” Hello, lots of top fighters cheat, poke in eye, take steroids, exaggerate a kick/knee in the nuts, HOld the fence, bop a guy on the back of the head…
Everyone is suspect…
by kick2dascrotum on Aug 21, 2008 8:25 PM EDT reply actions
- is a good one, greasing just seems SO obvious and risky
by DSmith on Aug 21, 2008 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem I have with Ken-flos comment is that it came 2 weeks after the fight. If he really thought Roger was greased or something, he should have said something about it when Joe was interviewing right after the fight. Instead he kissed Roger’s butt and said he had nothing but respect for him and how tough he was. If I was so sure something wasn’t right I wouldn’t be telling a guy how much I respect him after the fight, I’d be calling him on it!
by brac on Aug 22, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah well, if I were Kenny I’d keep my mouth shut and just be happy the judges awarded him the decision, because on paper Roger won the 1st two rounds handily. Plus I don’t think it’s cool for anyone who spent as much time moving backwards as Ken did in that fight to be calling anyone else out on their elusiveness.
by scienceftw on Aug 21, 2008 8:29 PM EDT reply actions
He has nothing to gain by saying this. He is not saying it to make himself sound better. I totally believe that. When I was watching the fight I was very surprised how he was getting out of those positions. it almost didn’t look natural, and if you add a lotion to that, and it makes more sense. I don’t he has to go hardcore after Roger, since he beat him, but totally has a right to say that if he believes it.
by riskreturngroup on Aug 21, 2008 8:32 PM EDT reply actions
lotion is outrageously expensive these days. no wonder huerta needs more money
by medecine balls on Aug 21, 2008 8:37 PM EDT reply actions
anybody remember when huerta popped his head out of guida’s gulletine? i was thinking damn guida probably wasn’t locking his head in that tight. that was a good win.
by kama kaze on Aug 21, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions
I’ll give Kenny the benefit of the doubt beceause why would he say it if he didn’t believe it? He really has nothing to gain by saying it and he’d probbibly be better off he he kept his mouth shut. If anyone remembers Huerta fought Melvin Gullard early in his career and lost a fight which was later ruled a no contest due to Melvin lubing himself up before the fight. Maybe Heurta saw the effects of it early in his career and decided to give it a try. Although I don’t really think Huerta did it we shouldn’t refute Kenny’s claims so hastily.
Vocabulary!
by DB on Aug 21, 2008 8:59 PM EDT reply actions
I heard Huerta was training with Akiyama prior to this fight. Now it all makes sense.
by Vic Mackey on Aug 21, 2008 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
i heard he had an interview with arianni in the hotel room. that explains the slipperyness… lol
by kama kaze on Aug 21, 2008 9:15 PM EDT up reply actions
If Huerta was suspected to be lubed, it should be brought out into the open. And Kenny Florian would know better than any of us. You guys should stop being so sensitive.
by jess on Aug 21, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions
True. There seems to be an awful lot of guys here who seem to think they got a better handle on the argument from their f’in SOFA watching the fight than Kenny did in the octagon. I love how these guys are pros when it comes to issues they have zero information on.
If Kenny truly believes Huerta might have used an underhanded advantage, he has every right to speak it. Roger nuthuggers ain’t gotta like it, and even Florian fans don’t need to agree, but “fans” don’t get to tell the fighters that they aren’t entitled to opinions.
Only Dana gets to do that…
by SkeletonKey on Aug 21, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions
How would a fighter cheat by this method? I mean, what could they use so that they wouldn’t be caught? Aren’t they checked for those sort of things before they step into the octagon?
I heard thru the grapevine that Sean Sherk complained that GSP was greased up when he fought him,implying that that was why he couldn’t beat Georges. I watched and rewatched that fight, and it didn’t look that way to me at all.
by peacen'luvdon'tpushnshove on Aug 21, 2008 9:19 PM EDT reply actions
Maybe Huerta was hiding lube on his insides and it leaked out?
by Legitimate on Aug 21, 2008 9:39 PM EDT reply actions
BREAKING NEWS
BJ Penn vs GSP slated for January 31, 2008, NOT in December or Super Bowl weekend. Dana White was interviewed by Kevin Iole from Yahoo Sports.
Here’s the link:
by pUniSHment on Aug 21, 2008 9:51 PM EDT reply actions
Roger’s been accused before for having greased his skin, most notably in his fight against Melvin.
by psy on Aug 21, 2008 9:54 PM EDT reply actions
I was wondering if anyone remembered that. I don’t remember all the details but didn’t Roger win that fight and then it was overturned because he was greased up? I’m not accusing Roger but he’s done it before. Everyone is going to speculate of course, but you know what…only Kenny was in the ring. I am not a fan of KenFlo. I actually like Roger because he has exciting fights, but I think Kenny has every right to be suspicious if he feels so. Also, it’s good that he brings this up regardless if he already won. Because hopefully they will check Roger for his future fights so he can’t do it again if in fact he is doing it.
by Volatol on Aug 21, 2008 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought it was Melvin who was greased.
by pUniSHment on Aug 21, 2008 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, it was the other way around. Melvin won and was later overturned because Melvin was greasing.
by Sean_M on Aug 21, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep, you’re right pUniSHment (typing your name is PaIn iN tHe bUtt). lol
by chefdaddy on Aug 21, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for the clarification. All I could remember was the two fighters and that one of them got caught. Well I still feel that Kenny has every right to say what he did if he truly feels that Roger was greased. If not and it’s an excuse as to why he didn’t finish the fight then I’ll hate him more than I already too. But at this point you can’t prove anything.
by Volatol on Aug 21, 2008 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
None of you were in florian’s position, none of you were fighting huerta, none of you HAVE fought heurta – so I think you should all have a nice cup of STFU.
by spawn on Aug 21, 2008 10:19 PM EDT reply actions
sorry guys but i just watched the fight two minutes ago and huerta looks way too greasy its wrong i think kenny has a point. everybody go watch it again before you comment
by the heat on Aug 21, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions
i use to like florian but the more he talks the less i like him. I hated his rant about how he finishes fights pretty muching dissing sean sherk who dominated him for five rounds and then he calls out huerta and then tries to deny it. Now that he cant finish somebody like huerta who is pretty much impossible to finish he has to accuse him of cheating especially how he talked up huerta after the fight saying he was so tough and had a bright future. Kenny your punk i cant wait to see joe daddy beat your ass.
by matt on Aug 21, 2008 11:22 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t know, think about it. Like everyone’s said, what would be the point of Kenny making this up? On the flip side, look at all the crap going on with Roger. Contract disputes, unbeaten streak on the line, chance he may be moving on after this fight, doesn’t want to get hurt right before he becomes a free agent, etc etc.
Roger had a lot to lose no matter how you look at it. He might have just been thinking about his future and saying forget this fight, forget risk of serous injury. It’s by no means an excuse don’t get me wrong, but I could see why he might do it. At least he’s not juicin, you know?
by Punk Rock Scott on Aug 21, 2008 11:27 PM EDT reply actions
It’s definitely been known to happen in MMA. And Roger did give up his back to Kenny everytime he had mount, that’s got to make you think, because you’d only do that if you were really sure that you’d be able to turn out of the position.
Besides Kenny won the fight so he has no reason to go bag the guy out unless he really thought it was true.
by Jye on Aug 22, 2008 12:40 AM EDT reply actions
I agree, people obviously don’t like Kenny for various reasons but he is usually very staright forward and it’s not like him to start talking crap after he won soley because he didn’t finish. He absolutely looked a level above Huerta in every sense.
by RedDog on Aug 22, 2008 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I think it’s pretty obvious that Kenny’s actually talking about him lubing up Roger after the fight. You know, like in the backroom of the afterparty. Anyone?
by dave on Aug 22, 2008 1:16 AM EDT reply actions
unbelievable… some of you guys jump the bandwagon every chance you get… all of a sudden this guy comes out and says he couldn’t submit or lock down huerta because of “something else” rather than sweat you guys are all over it like flies on sh*t. why didn’t you guys accuse huerta as soon as the fight was over? “kenny is right he was all greased up…thats true kenny is the best submission artist/wrestler ever its impossible huerta was able to get up that easy without the help of grease or whatever the f**k.” and some of you saying he has nothing to gain? in my opinion dignity for disappointing and not being able to deliver a so called exciting fight that everyone was hyping it up to be. its an excuse for him not being able to finish off the other guy. like James S mentioned, florian should have brought it up as soon as the fight was over. i’m sure he would be b*tching about it at the post fight conference if the judges would have “given” huerta the decision. all this coming from a florian nuthugger. sarcasm
by boycott de la hoya pacman fight on Aug 22, 2008 1:42 AM EDT reply actions
Florian doesn’t seem like the type to make shit up or make excuses. Fighters have greased up before. Guillard got a NC for it. I don’t see why Huerta would do that on purpose either though. But I can’t tell you how many times I’ve noticed a guys corner leave a questionably large glob of Vaseline on the guys face between rounds.
by nick on Aug 22, 2008 1:52 AM EDT reply actions
Guillard needed to use it. That boy gets caught in more submissions… I wouldn’t put it past Huerta to have used a little extra moisturizing lotion sometime before the fight.
by UFCAddict on Aug 22, 2008 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Um… don’t fighters usually try to work a sweat pre-fight to make themselves harder to handle on purpose? Or are they all backstage hitting the mitts in sweats for no reason at all?
Methinks Kenny is crumpling to the criticism he’s getting for not finishing Roger and now he’s making excuses a la GSP post-Serra fight number one. He’s been shooting off his mouth about being a “finisher” and now he’s getting his just desserts. He though Roger was beneath him and he got proven wrong.
On a different note, I hope Joe Daddy subs him quick. Those elbows + Joe’s past experience = bad news. Then match him up with the winnner of Sherk-Griffin for another title shot.
by RaginAsian on Aug 22, 2008 2:34 AM EDT reply actions
Kenny will destroy Stevenson in two rounds and it will get bloody. I cant see stevenson pulling it out.
by kick2dascrotum on Aug 22, 2008 7:46 AM EDT reply actions
I agree kick2dascrotum, Florian will take Stevenson pretty easy in my opinion. I get sick of hearing all these Florian haters and the Huerta fans. I’m not a fan of either or, but you gotta give a man his props. Florian is a bad dude. Huerta might have been stronger, but Florian went out there and executed a game plan and absolutely dominated Huerta. The differene is with the mental part of the game and the preperation. Thats where Florian is above a lot of fighters.
by bassy on Aug 22, 2008 9:00 AM EDT reply actions
There is no way that Florian “dominated” Huerta in that fight. Granted, he came with a great game plan, but all he did was eek it out. Huerta came to FIGHT, Florian came to dance. Florian is a douche for bringing up shit and not knowing if he’s sure.
by funnytiger on Aug 22, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
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