UFC 87 Recap and final thoughts

Tyson Griffin would kill Diaz.

Gotta disagree with you Jesse brock’s antics add some excitement to the boring, snooze and lose ufc heavyweight division.

After that performance I definately think Brock deserves to fight Werdum for number one contender status or at least valezquez.

P.S. does anyone really want to see Mir vs Nogueira? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

That was actually a severe thrashing, for 5 rounds, by GSP. If Fitch is classified as second to THEE GSP, than EVERYONE has got a lot to learn. CANADA>PENN! All is I can say is “I told you all so”!!!!

P.S. does anyone really want to see Mir vs Nogueira? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

I would rather see that then Lesnar fight Noguiera.

im sorry i thought bj won the first go at gsp what bullshit judging i dont see any body 185 pounds or less beating bj penn ever. he is without a doubt a true mma expert. did u see gsp looked scared of bj when he walked in to the octagon to talk to him id be scared too if i were u george

Canada’s GSP is on top of the world!! BeeJ will find out the hard way!

Whoa, let’s not all drink the Kool-Aid yet folks. Lesnar looked dominant tonight, but let’s give a couple more fights before we start throwing around a #1 contender match. And, in my opinion, a Mir vs. Nog fight will be interesting. Should Mir be in a title match already? Maybe not, but that’s how it worked itself out.

As for Lesnar, let’s see him match up against Kongo. Speaking of Kongo, maybe his corner should have told him it was premature to ask for his title shot considering he just came off a loss to Herring his last time out.

In other news, the UFC Heavyweight division needs depth. Back to you, MMA Mania…

Demian Maia put on a sick submission clinic. I gained mad respect for McDonald for not tapping to that triangle. But if he keeps working with Alejarra on his cardio, demian will go places.

gsp is the man.

lesnar will be a contender because he will continue to improve.

florian vs huerta was lackluster.

Credit to Fitch for withstanding the 5 rounds

Okay so I thought that Brock was rude at the end of the fight but I just watched the fight again and I have changed my mind. He began to celebrate during the last 10 seconds of the fight and Herring tried to take him out when he did so. When Herring wasn’t able to, he pointed and laughed as if to say that he hadn’t been able to rain on his parade. IMMEDIATELY after he did that, they did a half hug embrace with each other showing mutual respect. It was the heat of the moment and it wasn’t meant to belittle Heaths performance. I can see why people thought that he was disrespectful because I thought so too. But after re-watching the entire fight, I don’t see it that way at all. Brock did great and he deserves respect for beating a top 10 heavyweight in his 3rd ever MMA fight after 2 years of MMA training.

Okay so I thought that Brock was rude at the end of the fight but I just watched the fight again and I have changed my mind. He began to celebrate during the last 10 seconds of the fight and Herring tried to take him out when he did so. When Herring wasn’t able to, he pointed and laughed as if to say that he hadn’t been able to rain on his parade. IMMEDIATELY after he did that, they did a half hug embrace with each other showing mutual respect. It was the heat of the moment and it wasn’t meant to belittle Heaths performance. I can see why people thought that he was disrespectful because I thought so too. But after re-watching the entire fight, I don’t see it that way at all. Brock did great and he deserves respect for beating a top 10 heavyweight in his 3rd ever MMA fight after 2 years of MMA training…

*I thought Fitch won round two and thought the judge who scored the match 50-43 was rediculous. I don’t think Fitch deserved an 8 for any of the rounds.

*That was fun seeing Manny get ktfo.

*Florian put on a clinic against Huerta. Huerta needs to adjust his game from brawler to technician.

*I’m convinced that GSP v Silva might be more competitive than what I thought before this Fitch fight. He looked strong as hell.

Mania,
Why aren’t you posting my comments?

So I was looking on UFC.com and everyone who was on the main card had a post fight interview except for Heath Herring. I wonder if he had to go to the hospital. Jon Fitch looked like he had just been annihilated. His face was so mangled. He got interviewed too though.

To answer Jesse Holland’s questions:

1.Florian could fight Griffin OR have Diego Sanchez drop to 155 and have Florian v Sanchez II for the #1 contender spot (for real this time).

2.Mark Coleman put down the pizza and grabbed some broccoli then washed it down with an Ultra Slim Fast shake as soon as he saw Herring go flying from Lesnar’s first punch.

3.I know, everyone has to be paired with Fedor because everyone is thinking, “How old is Fedor going to be before someone comes along that might even have a shot at beating him?” With every new HW prospect comes the thought, “Could he beat Fedor?”

4.The three fighters you listed are for certain going to be UFC Hall of Famers. And yes, I do believe we will all be old men saying, (in a grandpa voice) “If BJ Penn was still fighting today, he’d a put the smack down on this cocky young buck.” To which we’d hear the reply, “Grandpa, waht’s a smack down?”

Man J-Fitch is tooouuuuuugh as nails.
That was Nogueira-esque punishment absorbing ability he showed.

GSP is just a gigantic fast twitch muscle fiber, he is an athletic freak of nature.

After watching Brock Lesnar chisel Herring for 3 rounds flat I can only say one thing…. Brock Lesnar is come kind of human gorilla hybrid genetic experiment mutated to be even more scary then either, that guy could double leg takedown a grizzly bear if he wanted to.

Ken-Flo, nice work man, that fight was a great chess match, and you displayed some bitchin’ technical ability, and you looked like you’d been training your ass off as always, excellent performance.

El Matador, he is young and raw but he has got the mind of a champion and he absolutely definetly belongs in the UFC, he more then hung with one of the best LW’s in the world, and had his moments as well.

Rob, good job. That KO woulda earned you a few extra bob.

Feel bad for Manny, that guy is a beast. Trains like a fucking nutcase and fights balls to the wall, he just let intensity get the better of him tonight.

i picked a fitch decision but ive got to admit that was an absolute clinical display by st pierre.there were two close rounds but he manhandled fitch the other two rounds.roll on the penn/gsp rematch.im not gonna change my mind though i say a fully fit and focused penn just edges it.as for brock he good still a bit green in some positions but convincingly beat a guy who has been in with the best in the world.i think he will fight kongo next as werdum is in line for the next title shot and theres no way dana will put him in with carwin or valesquez these guys along with brock arte the future.maia looked awesome but i still think he could boil down to 170.apparently with palhares these two are the best 185 bjj guys in the world.nice manny getting kod hes a loudmouth prat like his cousin.

Brock was beastly, but he still has tons to learn. He could have finished Herring a few times in the fight, but showed no signs of being able to choke him out when herring repeatedly gave his back to him. I did not think he was aggressive enough after the take downs, but I guess that is to be expected after the mistake to Mir. All the haters were shut up though, Brock is legit. And Penn vs GSP is going to be insane.

why would you delete someones comment, what an arsehole.
isn’t the purpose of this for people to express their opinions

Herring is the only main card fighter to not have been interviewed. Did he have to go to the hospital? Is there any way of finding that out soon?

GSP-FITCH amazing fight. Fitch showed great heart and why he deserved to be there. Brock was dominant but showed no finishing technique at all and paired up with anyone with limited submissions would be tapped again in seconds. If he improves and works on some BJJ he would be scary in the heavyweight division. I agree with Kongo or Gonzaga for his next fight would be a true test. Fedor?? what a joke, next people would be saying he should take on Couture. He would be exterminated by either of them. Florian should be in a title fight with Penn BEFORE GSP. He really deserves a second shot at the title. I personally want to see GSP-PENN 2 but I think Florian has paid his dues and deserves the shot.

What about Lesnar after the win? or does it matter what he does as its not Bisping? double standard? i do not care personally as Brock has a cocky arrogant personality! i like him.

Fighters win or lose based on a balance of strength and skill. Brock is obviously working on a lot of strength and that allows him to win despite having less skill than a lot of his opponents. I’ve been a fan of Lesnar since he came into the UFC and I’m glad to see him win. I just wish he would have won with more class. That whole “ropin’ the crazy horse” thing and celebrating before the final bell irked me as well. However, that first punch on Herring was the SICKEST punch I’ve ever seen. The fact that he not only knocked Herring down but knocked his feet back over his head was incredible. Props to Heath for not going out.

Props also to Fitch for his effort. Just like Lesnar vs. Herring, I liked both fighters in this one as well. GSP looked great but Fitch just kept coming. Did GSP’s comments to Fitch after the fight sound condescending to anyone else? “That ass woopin’ I just gave you was the best thing that could have happened to you…” Okay…

Would have liked to see Roger win but Florian brought more to the game. Good job Kenny.

If you’re going to be deleting posts, why would you delete that one and not the garbage that Str33t Soldier (aka drunk guy trolling) was posting?

So do you think they give Ken Flo a chance at the title before GSP and Penn, get it on? As far that fight, I think the BJ Penn we have right now,focused and in shape beats GSP. The 2 rounds GSP one in the last fight he just sat in Penns guard and stayed just busy enough to not get stood up or submitted. But that is just an opinion and you all know the theory on opinions. Regardless of GSP game I am still not convinced he could go up in weight and beat Anderson Silva. I think it would be a good fight but I just do not think he would be able to win that fight.

there is NO WAY that GSP lost to BJ. i’ve watched that fight 100 times and even if you give the first round to BJ-which could go wither way-yes there is blood but he clearly poked him in the eye and that was right around the same time he landed the shot to the nose-but the next two? if you score those rounds for BJ than you must be watchinga different fight.

anyways here is the link to watch it

http://www.surfthechannel.com/info/Sports/UFC_%28Ultimate_Fighting_Championship%29/89847/BJ+Penn+vs+Georges+St.Pierre%28UFC+58%29.html?aid=115660

Thats sad for Huerta I really had him picked to win, not a fan of Kennys style, but he did pull it off.

Lesnar needs to take his fake lasso and the rest of his antics back to the wwe, what a goof.

Kongo deserves the teetel, not yet imo but he could learn how to finish an interview

Fitch hung for five long rounds what a guy amazing I think St.Pierre v. Anderson Silva would be a dissapointment and the death of GSP

I also think there is plenty of LW talent to go around BJ should stay in his division and defend his title.

Brock Lesnar will hopefully improve and if he does he could be a dominent force in MMA. But I feel that the UFC is trying to put Brock in the limelight and captialize on this for the better of the UFC. MAKES SENSE! However, right now Brock is better suited for KIMO SLICE instead of Noguiera.

Last nights PPV was in my opinion the best PPV of the year. The only thing that bothered me was Brocks actions after the fight. He has a 1-1 record in UFC thats nothing to be mocking other fighters about, especialy not a vet like Heath Hearring. Brock could be the heavy weight champ someday but last night should just how much he will have to mature as a fighter.

Brock Lesnar absolutely man-handled Heath Herring, but his antics post-fight were downright childish, something we could expect at a pro-‘wrestling’ event. Aside from that, Lesnar reminded me of a break-out Bob Sapp, someone so large and strong, who can bull-rush his opponents, get on top of them and bash them in, because he comes in as an unknown, its only a matter of time they find his weaknesses and exploit them (Mir did a good job doing that). In the second and third rounds, Lesnar just seemed content to sit on Herring without throwing many punches at all, just kept him down, almost the classic lay and pray (must have learned that from Sherk).

After watching the Ken-Flo vs El Matador fight, it became clear to me that neither of them could beat BJ at 155. The both possess great skill but Bj is on another level than them. Just my take on it.

what did lesnar do wrong he was just pointing out he took his punch at the end of the round i thought lesnar was herring was a a – hole who was about to head but lesnar

and finally rob emerson has some killer instinct about him he always seemed way tol iad back and not really care about the outcome before

So, who is everybody not talking about this morning? El “I want six figures every fight and a cut of the PPV’s” Matador.

It looks like Kenny is going to be thrown in the waiting room for quite a while, unfortunately. I, for one, would love to see him fight Penn. Although I think Penn would win, I think Florian would stand a legitimate chance. However, it appears the UFC is hyping a Penn vs. GSP II, which is a shame. I would rather watch GSP fight badASS (Anderson Spider Silva) just because we haven’t seen that fight, yet.

I, for one, enjoyed this article as it was like a jelly doughnut or an eclair for breakfast, only filled with humor instead of sweet cream… or jelly. Not only do I think Coleman hit the sauna after watching Brock’s fight, I think every fighter under 250, did as well. Either that, or they started a petition to add a MiddleHeavyweight division with a cutoff at 225 or 230. Coleman will probably go get his old arse handed to him by Shogun at LHW instead of losing to Brock by TM (technical murder).

fitch didnt stand a chance! his face looks like a thrown up pizza…but mega heart, he cannot be ko’d! Bj gonna be smashed…even if his take down defense is awesome, so is GSPs and i think GSp wins the stand up….it was weird to see GSP fighting a taller fighter in fitch after his last few opponents! WAR GSP

BROCK LESNAR is a fuckin jack ass! He is the kimbo slice of the UFC. I mean come on that fight was a joke. He punched him hard as hell and proceeded to lie on him for the rest of the fight. Complete fighter my ass. I have never been so annoyed during a fight like I was about this fight. Hes your typical big dumb wrestler who lays on top of his opponents and holds there arms in order to not hurt his face or himself for that matter. Over paid jack ass.

and mike goldberg is a TERRIBLE announcer…that stuff he says is so flipping stupid

Jon fitch- Very very impressed with his heart…
brock lesnar- needs to learn how ot be a little more technical on the ground
st. pierre-………animal
Kenny bitch ass florian—reminds me of a very very bad version of lyoto machida..by far the most boring ranked fighter i have ever seen..he reminds me of kalib starnes..he would get absolutley dominated by….tyson griffin..joe stevonson..even the lighter guys..urijah faber and miguel torers..would dominate him till he wishes he wud never fight again..he did have a good game plan tho…run away from huerta ..land 10 punches..get a take down..and be successful for doin it..i hate that bitch

FLORIAN SUCKS…

Boring fight, technical yes, but still boring.

I never would pay to see florian run away for 15 min.

BLAH!

Brock was rude. But was impressive. He needs a $hit load more work on his Subs.

Kflo really impressed me, did Roger really wanna be there. I loved the little sweep in the second.

GSP was great, athough I was scared he would slack off and get koed in the late seconds of any of the rounds.

Fitch is a beast.

Manny was dumb, why swing like that. He really should have worked his strong suit. Rob was in great shape.

Jason was ripped like crazy and didnt have the right game plan. What was he thinking rolling on the ground especially with little to no striking…

Maia was extremely lucky…

its called UFC keyword being F for fighting if you want to win by methodically picking at your opponents go play chess.

huerta’s next opponent should be melvin guillard. This would be an action packed fight and both fighters have a lot to put on the line. Whoever loses this fight would be set back very far in the division.

I liked Brock talkin some shit at the end and kind of playing the bad guy, but he had about 20 different sub opportunities that he did not take. He’s still got a lot of BJJ to learn.

So everything points to GSP vs BJ Pen. For some reason, some people think BJ will win easily.

They seem to forget that last time it was GSP with the win. And since then, who do you think improved the most as a fighter? That’s right, GSP.

The GSP that BJ Pen will face is twice as good as the GSP of old (young red shorts GSP). BJ will have his hands full. Dark tight speedo GSP will reign in Welterweight division for a long time, backflips aplenty.

As for the Silva vs. GSP match-up, I don’t see it. Silva is now LightHeavyweight, while GSP is Welterweight. 2 divisions is too big of a gap (Middleweight in between). If Silva loses the weight, ok. But I don’t see GSP going up in weight class. At 5’10, GSP’s made for Welterweight, while Silva clearly wants to put on pounds, not lose some.

A couple of funny things I noticed about last night though. Did anyone else find Huerta’s interview right before the fight hilarious?

I died when he did the whole looking down thing and said “I’ll never lose”. Everyone I was watching the fight with was laughing so hard. We thought it would have been hilarious as well if they played the audio of that interview with like a half minute to go in the fight…hahahaha.

The other thing I found real funny was GSP’s strengths…
Kyokushin Karate Black Belt
Incredible Balance
The Complete Fighter…The complete fighter? Maybe A complete fighter as to not imply that he is the only one on earth. Anyway, that’s not what I thought was funny. I like how the UFC puts 3 strengths for everyone, I think they’re going to have to put more for GSP/Silva soon because they just have too much talent to list.

hey did anybody see the the new stats thing they had for GSP & Fitch showing TD% & TDD%. GSP had around 80/80. Fitch had around 70/70. n then when GSP passed Fitch’s guard, after that goldberg was pulled out that stat that it was his first time being passed as GSP was smashing his face with elbows. whoever thought of that was a good idea. remind me of watching NBA or NFL or video game. so viewers get an idea of how each good each aspect of their game is. having stats made it seem more like a sport.

I agree with the comment about Dan Miragliotta not giving Herring time! What kind of garbage is that, the ref pokes the fighter in the eye? A five minute pause should have been MANDATORY. I have seen too many issues with this ref… He needs to GO! Bring back McCarthy!
As far as Lesnar goes, I am done with this guy! Dana White and the UFC has worked too hard to bring honor to this so called “brutal” sport to have it torn down by the “Honorless” Brock Lesnar! His screeming antics after and taunting behavior during his destruction of Heath Herring was rediculous! I am just glad that John Fitch (and GSP for that matter) both have more honor in their little fingers than Lesnar has in his whole body, and salvaged the honor of and restored the respect to UFC last night!

I agree that the eye-poke from Dan Miragliotta should have resulted in a MANDATORY time out. They need to get rid of this ref, too much controversy. Bring back McCarthy!
Brock Lesnar needs to go as well, his antics both during his destruction of Herring (taunting him at different times during the fight – I didn’t see enough crap-talking from Herring to warrent this type of disrespect) and his antics afterwards were rediculous. Dana White and the UFC have tried so hard to bring honor, respect, and dignity to this so called “barbaric” sport. People like Lesnar ruin that. Luckily GSP and especially Fitch had more honor (and talent) in their litle fingers than Lesnar had in his whole body and thus restored the dignity to the UFC last night.

lesner will never beat nog you guys are dreaming

Like I’ve said forever, GSP hasn’t improved. Fitch took him the distance, took GSP’s best shot and still came after him. Fitch’s BJJ, IMO is still a bit overrated. His guard looked impressive, but his offense off his back is still questionable. GSP got beat up in this fight just as much as Fitch and even ended up on his back as well. BJ Penn will absolutely demolish GSP because his BJJ and striking are worlds above both GSP and Fitch. It’s funny how these wrestlers just let GSP take them down instead of going on the offensive and taking GSP down.

Brock Lesnar……can you say most boring fight of the night. I can see he learned from Sherk the method of laying and praying. Pathetic.

“Comment by WB
2008-08-08 10:12:35
GSP – UD
Florian – UD
Maia – 2nd, Choke of some sort

Take these picks to the BANK!!!"

Too bad I didnt throw any money down.

I’ll be honest I have not read any of the stuff on this site, so I will say what I think. Brock Lesnar is the man and he hits hard and is one heavy mf. Heath is an experienced hw big time fighter and Brock beat him big time.

Lesnar’s antics? chill out, i thought it was funny :D he is entertaining.. And if Brock can continue to improve his striking he will be very dangerous.. his knees were devastating! Also i didn’t see the same fire in Roger that he’ had in his previous fights he just stood there and took shots without firing back! that was the worst performance of Roger so far i thought he had a broken hand or something cause he wasn’t punching..

Brock lesner is good for mma only on the short term basis..common the guy is a poster boy for steroids.why on earth would you want a heavyweight champ to be a roid dude.it would damage the ufc in the long run.if he tests positive.. imagine if he becomes bigger than liddell in ppv numbers and tests positive..then forget mainstream recognition..
he was arested a long time ago for dealing or using i think.steroids.. he’s forehead is so big (not to mention the arms got long and weird)that nobody would even doubt his on it…and imagine why on earth would i guy juice up for sports fighting? is he hiding the little scardy cat inside? haha.. imagine chuck lidell or anderson silva juice up..theyll be unstopable.. real warriors dont use roids

to be honest, he does have that roid look to him, or should i say perhaps past-roid look- after all he was a wwe fighter. however go look at pictures of him after his 2000 national championship match, he still looks like a behemoth. so i would disagree that it is obvious he is or was on roids, but i think a little speculation is warranted

also, there seems there are a million great fights out there, all looking to possibly be around christmas time…. i mean with the addition of affliction to the mix, how bout leave no doubt that no one is close to the ufc and just blow every other promotion into clinical depression with a supercard? i say screw the idea of spreading them out to separate ppvs into dec, jan, and feb and just make the biggest ppv ever:

brock lesnar vs. chiek kongo
shogun rua vs. mark coleman
antonio noguiera vs. frank mir
bj penn vs. georges st. pierre
chuck liddell (pending a possible victory) vs. forrest griffin

this all is only wishful thinking, i dont think the ufc would want to put all these in one…..right?