Rampage then said he likes to eat unborn babies. He also said that his driving rampage is not his fault, after a person of his stature earns a certain amount of money they cannot be accountable for anything they do. He then reference OJ and said while it wasn’t a white bronco, no one actually knows it was Rampage’s truck that did the damage. Ford makes a lot of trucks that have his picture and say “Rampage” on them.

BNF, He didnt say? He just said “I got new trainers” And he couldnt tell the time on that 100,000 dollar watch. He seems like his old self, but so did Tyson when he bit Holyfields ear off?

BNF, He didnt say? He just said “I got new trainers” And he couldnt tell the time on that 100,000 dollar watch. He seems like his old self, but so did Tyson when he bit Holyfields ear off?

BNF, he didnt say? All he said was “I got new trainers” And he couldnt tell the time on that 100,000 dollar watch! He looks like his old self, but so did Tyson when he bit Holyfields ear off?

Dam that comment echoed!!!

LOL… J j j j j j V v v v v v. O o o o K k k k .

Not to get off topic, BUt I know that Bj Penn is a favorite of this site, so his fans have to appreciate this video of BJ talking about GSP…Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahCbARjuMSI

JOHN. good link. i think the gsp/fitch fight will tell us alot about how the gsp/b.j. fight will go down, even though they are 2 completely different style of fighters. b.j.‘s last 3 opponents(jens,joe-daddy and sherk) and gsp’s last 3(kos,hughes, and serra) are all very good fighters, but jon fitch is better than all 6 of these fighters easy. if georges comes out and dominates fitch, b.j. could be in alot of trouble. if fitch gives gsp a 5 rnd war and it is a close decision, the edge goes to b.j. if fich wins, its all a moot point. i cant wait for sat night!

b.w.:

I’m a huge fan of BJ and GSP, edging towards BJ.

OK, we’ll accept your arguement that fitch is the best out of the 6. I disagree that if GSP runs through fitch that BJ will be in trouble.

I would maybe agree if BJ went to a decision with his 3, fact is he played with his 3 first then finished them at will.

BJ is never in trouble ;)

Dana’s a busy busy man. Was he wearing a CKY shirt at the end there with Rampage? I wonder who and when Ramapage is going to fight next.

AUTO. i dont think b.j. played with sherk as much as some would like to think. looking at his post fight comments( the ones right after the fight while he was walking back to his lockeroom) he sounded a little surprised that sherk kept the fight standing and did as good as he did, but i do agree that no matter what b.j./gsp is gonna be one helluva of a fight and i still see the fight being 50/50 all the way. just to add a little fuel to the fire, gsp looked alot better against sherk than b.j. did, and this was the new and improved, in-shape b.j. uh-oh im really gonna hear it from the b.j. fans now (im one too remember).

BW, it took me a sec to follow, but Your math kinda makes sense.

I know I’m still jumping even more off topic here but going with Sherk I was incredibly suprised he stood with Penn as long as he did, in the 3rd it looked like Sherk was getting the better of the striking until the end. Sherk is going to kill Tyson. With Penn and GSP, I think GSP has better striking game while Penn has the better ground game. Just a matter of opinion but I don’t think GSP will want to go to the mat with Penn.

Thanks BW!

your welcome!

Reply to Cogito: I’m a big fan of both BJ and GSP but I don’t think BJ will be able to handle GSP’s strength and athleticism. You can see the difference in GSP from when he lost to Serra. He looks absolutely insane in every aspect of the game. Against Penn I think the standup game would be a stalemate with both guys landing shots. However, GSP’s wrestling is second to none in MMA and even BJ will not be able to prevent being taken down. Obviously, everybody knows how dangerous BJ is off his back. But I feel that GSP’s strength and awesome submission skills would overwhelm BJ. I think that he could pound out BJ on the ground and don’t think BJ can catch him in a sub.

I agree for the most part. Wrestling is a very important skill to have as its the transition to the ground and control over your opponent while there. I was more implying that I thought Penns submission skills and defense are a bit better than GSP’s, although your right GSP probably could use his strength to overpower Penn on the ground. With the standing game they are pretty par on that but I think GSP with his leg kicks has the advantage here. Its hard to say who will win this fight because I think the winner is the guy who has top position on the ground but I also think GSP is going to try to keep this fight standing which might be a better strategy to try and tire Penn out. I’m just hoping it’ll be 5 rounds though cause this fight will be a war.

You guys are missing the one most important point why GSP won’t stand with BJ Penn for long. BJ can take a punch better than anyone in MMA with maybe the exception of “Cabbage” Correira. BJ can take any 2 or 3 of GSP’s punches but GSP will have trouble with swollen eyes and cuts for every 1 of BJ’s punches. The last time they fought GSP knew he would go down if he stayed standing and hence the GnP game. I’m not saying BJ has a better overall standup game than GSP, but his ability to take a punch makes him a favorite in the standup. GSP will have to stick n’ move and look for opportunites to take it to the ground where his size and strength will have an advantage.

I completely agree Thorazine.. Was it just me who noticed that when he scored the takedowns against Penn in their last fight, he was not going for any submissions and was not looking to end the fight.. He was simply throwing punches while in Penn’s guard, and milking the clock.. That’s not a bad idea, especially if you are trying to win the fight.. But I am certain in their rematch that Penn: 1. Will not gas, 2. Will not be easily taken down, 3. If taken down, will not be manhandled like how Matt Serra was at UFC 83, and lastly: BJ Penn will be the NEW, UNDISPUTED UFC WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION..

Official Member of the BJ PENN WarWagon

pUniSHment.

Either one would be a big step up and hopefully give Rampage some stability.

it wouldnt cost page as much to train under jackson either, cuz he hardly chagres anything to train his fighters. greg jackson is def one the best trainers in the world and isnt in it for the money,just for the love of the sport.

camps like Ibarra’ are not ment to sustain top nothc competition like greg jackson and extreme couture and chute box. his camps is for like most improvement type dseal…like dellagrotte can take any mid lvl fighter and pitch em into top flight status but they are not meant to keep you sustained at that level…that when you move to the big dogs. im sure he wont do team quest at all. i would say ghenghis kan’s camp will do him greast dividends…..glad to see him back in the game though.

I would like to know something about Ibarra, if he is such a great trainer why would he allow Jackson to go on such a diet? That is the worst idea in the world, not only did it cause Jackson delirium but it probably also costed Jackson the fight. One more thing that gets to me is that Ibarra was so confident that Jackson was going to win he was willing to stake his job of training Jackson on him winning the fight? What that tells me is he undertrained Jackson and with this whole money scandal deal I’m not sure how many fighters will want to go Ibarra’s way. I hope not any I can’t stand that guy. When he did an interview for Jackson he said nothing of any importance and acted like it was his moment in the sun, Ibarra just seems like a shady trainer.

you know i kind of suspected rampages shape in that fight…i not taking anything away from forrest. rampage knew that he was in a fight. i think Ibarra should retire and jackson is justified in his leave of ibarra if infact he is leaving..there is no reason or excuse to not come in that fight 100% Ibarra knew griffins conditioning is excellent and that a 9 month lay off would hurt rampage. still though he should have made sure rampaga was in shape, forrest was able to come in 100% ready. he is shady trainer though. i mean his training camp sucks badly..he relies on trying to get good fighter to help them sparr better too much.

I am probably the biggest Rampage fan on this site, but to blame the loss on Ibarra is just ridiculous. Rampage’s conditioning had absolutely nothing to do with it! He just didnt show up to fight! If he did, he owuldnt have had to worry about conditioning cause he could have KO Forrest in the 1st 2 rounds. He did not show up though. Juanito is a wonderful trainer and he is responsible for taking Rampage’s game to the next level. All of the sudden he lost and its Juanito’s fault? Give me a break.

I do not know the story about the $$$$ problems between the 2 so I cant stick up for Juanito in that aspect because I dont know any of the facts.

Cogito: what r u talking baout Rampage’s diet being Juanito’s fault. U really think Juanito is to blame for Rampage staying up for 4 days in a row and drinki9ng only energy drinks>? u really think Juanito would have condoned that? Juanito probably had no clue it was going on. He definetly did not know. It happened the days right after the fight. No one trains right after their fights. No one even sees their trainers for a couple of days after the fight. TO bl;ame Juanito is iresponsible.

However, I do not know anything about the financial side of their Beef so who knows maybe juanito is to blame for the that.

Juanito is a great trainer. He is training Kongo right now and will corner him this saturday. Wait till he see the improvement that Kongo will show! Juanito should be the one to get credit for that!

“Cogito: what r u talking baout Rampage’s diet being Juanito’s fault. U really think Juanito is to blame for Rampage staying up for 4 days in a row and drinki9ng only energy drinks>? u really think Juanito would have condoned that? Juanito probably had no clue it was going on. He definetly did not know. It happened the days right after the fight. No one trains right after their fights. No one even sees their trainers for a couple of days after the fight. TO blame Juanito is iresponsible.”

right there is your mistake for quoting it….you consalidated two seperate events: rampages diet of soda and satying up 4 days in a row happened about 2 weeks afte the fight. i am talking about the trainig before the fight to say. rampage didnt come to fight is a poor analysis you have concocted together just so it looks like i was wrong as well as the other rampage fans at the top. of course he will corner kongo..its his next big name fighter left. why would you put your interest in your next best fighter if your guy left the camp. To blame juanito is very responsible to recognize that your camp was negligible about your conditioning preparation before a fight…you can always see a change in the fighter when he trains and he is not conditioned right. any good trainer will see theses flaws and calculate correction and adjust the regimen of the fighter.you dont pay your camp top notch dollars to not do their job. if juanito was on top of his side of the game he would have confronted him like the family he is to him and put rampage inhis place about his diet if he had and issue with dieting during the fight prep (not the taping of the show) AND not once did i say he was bad trainer. all i said is i dont blame rampage for leaving for the negligence that may have happend during fight prep.

I misinterpretted your post. I thought u were blaming Juanito for Rampage’s No sleep No food, only energy drink diet!

apologies!

nah i blame that on his pastor lol!

Agreed BNF. And I don’t miss either one of them. Grandpa Couture or dumb*ss Tito. Affliction can pick up the leftovers. That includes Huerta who is going to get picked apart by Kenflo.

he’s the equivalent to elvis inisic. To say he’s not over rated is suspect, the UFC goes nuts for him when he fights, but he’s just a gate keeper!

I don’t think its a fair assesment to compare to Clay Guida to Elvis Sinosic…

Its not that its not fair comarison. It is a completely assinine comparison that makes absolutely no sense. Kevin you may have some strong opinions but that one just makes absolutely no sense.

Sinosic: 8-11 overall 1-6 UFC
Guida: 23-9 overall 3-3 UFC

I agree with random task and canniabal.

If he was the direct cause ,it would have happened then ,i have 4 children of my own ,doesn’t make me an expert ,but i have had to deal with lots of pregnacys,it is also a fact that over 90 percent of pregnacys end in miscarriage ,so nobody here can say that he is the direct cause ,now maybe he caused her to stress out about the whole ordeal but that is not exactly his fault,so let him be

90 percent of the time it works… every time…

Scott you are an idiot, please don’t ever quote facts until you actually learn what a percentage means. Human life would not continue if we had only a 10% fertility rate. Next time your wife beats the odds and is pregnant, hit her with your truck just to prove a point…

90 % of pregnancies end in miscarriage? I have to look that up, cuz I believe that to be entirely false. Judging from the amount of dumb@sses in the world, maybe 90% SHOULD end in miscarriage.

well get off the road especially in california,because there is a risk everytime you go outside,long story short WE DON’T KNOW SO LEAVE HIM ALONE

She was on the F*ckin side walk. Scott you truely are a d*mb motherf*cker. Someone is dead because of his actions, forget percentages or stats or at risk, it’s as simple as that. If I went on a drunking rampage, ran over a pregnant women, then I’d be sure to spend the rest of my days locked up. Of course I don’t have the advantage of money and other ethnic factors to cloud the truth.

Look guys, we can speculate as much as we want on the woulda, coulda, shoulda garbage. But wait to find out the facts first. Don’t get me wrong, if he did it then by all means, crucify him.

Arnold, how does having a different ‘ethnic factor’ help clouding the truth? If Jackson is guilty he’ll respond to the charges, he’s not going to get off for being black… again, how old are you?

BNF, I heard the rumors of the miscarriage the day after the incident (not on mania though, actually mania ran few stories regarding rampage compared to other sites). Second, 30% (and I have to check) of women gets miscarriage in their late 30’s? that’s not 100% right? so that means 70% still have their babies, who are we to say this lady was not among the 70% that would have had her baby?

Either way its going to be a huge problem for Rampage! I dont think hes going to get an easy pass cause he has celebrity status? But then again MONEY! fixes most problems.

I am just playing devil’s advocate. If she did miss carry the very next day, then it is pretty obvious Rampage should be held accountable. If not then who knows. My wife is 32 and that’s what the docter said. I think I read this woman was like 38 so she is at an even higher risk for miss carriage than most women.

yeah, I’m still on the fence regarding this issue, I don’t want to come out and start blaming rampage since we don’t know the full story, but there is a chance he could be liable. if he is, I’d just have to no longer be a fan of his… Hopefully though, if he is or isn’t the truth will come out and we can move on.

I don’t think you should stop being a fan. The only thing he did wrong was not stopping. It was an accident. Its not like he intentionally hit the lady. People in USA and especially Southern California are very quick to sue for a payday. The lady was driving an Escalade in Newport Beach, her husband probably is a high priced lawyer and is coaching her on what to do. Like you said we don’t know the full story yet, but I definatly have my suspicions about this lady.

BNF, and running people off the sidewalk and hitting a few other cars. Even if the lady is just trying to get paid, Rampage put himself in that position by hitting her car. How can it really be proven that the hit didnt cause the miscarriage?

JV, I was commenting only on the lady he hit. And please don’t think I am trying to defend what he did. If she had the miscarriage the next day I think it can be proven it was his fault, if not, how can you prove the hit did cause the miscarriage?

I too agree that a miscarriage is based on many factors. Being that the young lady was over thirty probably contributed more to the event than Rampage’s Rampage. My true sympathies are extended to this woman and her circumstance but I can’t pigeonhole Rampage as the sole cause of the event. Many other factors play into such an event.

BNF, the problem is not that he unintentionally hit the lady (allegedly), the problem is that he thought he was g0d and was doing (or trying to) some human ‘cleansing’ of his own. Just because the lady might have been rich makes no difference to me, rich ppl and poor ppl are humans and each class deserves the same rights. The problem I have as a fan is if someone goes out and acts that way and allegedly ki||s someone… I just cannot continue being a fan. Rampage (probably due to legal issues) has not even commented on the matter or apologized for what he did, what kind of person goes on a rampage and not even apologizes for it?

BNF, I wasnt trying to bash your comment brother. Forgive my comment if it came across confrontational.
I just think its going to be harder for Rampage to prove he didnt cause it, than the lady to prove he did???

JV, it’s all good brother.

Linx, I think we can agree Rampage is crazy and did a horrible thing. And you have a good point about the no apology thing. I would just hate to see Rampage get punished for something that he didn’t directly cause. People cry wolf, women cry rape, but it doesn’t always make it so. That is my only point.

JV: Quinton would be the defendant. Defendants do not have to prove anything. The burden of proof lies in the hands of the prosecutor. There is nothing but speculation of circumstantial evidence in this case, and without hard evidence, Quinton will walk.

Linx thats vehicular manslaughter for Page, but could you provide the websites that you visted and saw the miscarrage the day after. Most websites like Mania have the date documented on the page and I think this would be easy enough to answer the question of if it is Rampages fault flat out. Next question would be how far along was this lady?

Cogito, I must apologize, I don’t think it was the day after, I think it was a couple of days when I first read about it. I can’t tell you with conviction which site this was (I visit a lot of sites lol), but I think it was first mentioned at tmz.com.

you might want to also check the following MMA sites:
5 ounces of pain
mmajunkie
mma weekly
fightline.com
cagepotato.com
mixedmartialarts.com

I have no idea how many months pregnant this lady was, there is still much to be learned about this case, I just hope we have something concrete soon.

sorry Cogito, I’ve got moderated…

The thread that Mania put up I think said she was only like 10-12 weeks along. I researched old Ramapage threads on here, but I couldn’t find it.

Thanks for the info Linx and BNF appreciate it

linx what if the lady was walking to the abortion clinc when she was ran over???

how old are you Arnold?

1-abortions are done by qualified doctors.
2-abortions should only be done to patients that are less than 12 weeks pregnant.
3-was the lady that Jackson allegedly hit going to an abortion clinic?
4-even if she was (which she wasn’t and I don’t even know if it is legal in California), Jackson would still be liable for he is no doctor and it was his actions that caused the ‘miscarriage’(allegedly).

The UFC lost around 43 million while Dana was running it, they started turning a profit after spike took a chance on TUF. The Fertita’s bought it for 2 million. They wanted out after investing 43 million and asked Dana to make some calls to potential buyers. They were offered 7 million. They decided not to sell. TUF was a big hit the rest is history, they have been turning huge profits ever since.

Dana and the Fertittas’ took losses on the UFC when they first started too. And they didn’t even create a brand like Affliction did. But that’s a seperate argument.
There’s no doubt Dana White works hard. Many people do. But he had the UFC handed to him on a silver platter. He may have good business and MMA sense. But don’t kid yourself in thinking he’s the usual ‘rags to riches’ story.

And he does want to be a super star, which is where this conversation began. Just watch the video. Who’s he promoting here??

right on

who’s idea was it in the 1rst place to buy the ufc, when everybody though the sport was dead. DANA’S, thats who’s. he had to talk lorenzo and frank into purchasing it. what if the fertittas said no and didnt invest the 2 mil to buy the co. there would be no ufc as we know it, or affliction, or elite, or the wec. it was danas idea to buy the ufc in the 1rst place and concentrate on regulations, weight classes and rules. no more mis-matches.the ufc spent 10 million of its own money to produce the 1rst season of tuf and now spike pays them a hundred million for the rights to televize it. where’s the luck in that. he also had the forsight to realize that the production of the live shows sucked and worked hard on making them into big events, and the the ufc is breaking attendance records and making alot of money at the live gate. he is also working very hard to globalize the sport as well. tell me how lucky he is again and how everything just fell into his lap.

I’m rich and it has taken degree after degree after degree to get to where I am today. If you’re not rich, it is your own fault. Anyone can go to college and get a BS, MS, and PHD. It is the lazy people who complain about being poor because they CHOSE not to go to college and continue with higher education. Stop complaining. Yes, Dana lucked out with his rich friends, the Fertittas. However, after he HAD the job as President of the UFC, he has not stopped working his ass off ever since.
Stay in school kids

Contradicions are the words of a true dumb@ss…

I hope so.. Aloha Stadium is a 50,000 seater and if/when they do finally come here, I will be there.

IF it does happen…. see you there maybe pun. gotta buy at least several tickets depending how much cash on hand that day. too many people will want to go.

50 thou! i stand corrected. b.j. would sell that place out alone. but adding troy and kendall wouldnt hurt either. there’s another big hawaiian name out there too, i think, thats on the tip of my tounge and i cant think of it. its not kimo……..hmmmmmmmmm.

also. if the ufc were to ever come to st.louis they would sell-out before the tickets went on sell! lol!

That’s true kama.. The UFC will definately sellout faster than the Pro Bowl.. Plus a lot of people from the mainland would come to Hawaii for a vacation and go to the UFC event.

speaking of aloha stadium, u been to any warrior games? they sucked for as long as i can remember and then finally made it to sugar bowl. thats all i got for christmas. warrior hoodies and sweats galore!

Haha yeah I went to 5 games last season.. Do u still live down here?? If so, do you go to the ICON events?

we lost colt brenen and coach june jones! awww! how u like that? right now i’m in seattle for work, go there once or twice a year to visit fam. haven’t been to ICON but went to a couple low budget shows where i seen my boy get KOd by the milatary boys. lol. i read your other post about the last ICON. sounded good. planning to go to any of the elite or ROTR?

bw, not sure which kimo but kala hose is in strikeforce. mark oshiro is up and coming. them? do they have events in st. louis?

Foreal? Was it those MMA shows at Dole Cannery? The last couple events were alright, but not quite worth the money.. My boys and I were supposed to go to Vegas to watch the Penn/Sherk fight in May, but since we went in March, we didn’t want to fly up because the air-fare prices are crazy if the flight’s not booked WAYYYY in advance.

yup. heres 1 punishment in paradise. just went to support basicly. i know. round trip is expensive. some hilo boys that went to highschool with penn live here in seattle of all places. went to their house to watch Penn/Sherk. they got some stories. like the officer that bj cracked at zanzabar was a undercover cop. so its not like he walked up to a cop in uniform and falsed him like the news made it out to sound like. but yea.. hey if you go to any more events out there, keep letting us know the inside scoops!

Foreal?? Wow that’s cool.. I have a lot of friends who graduated from Seattle University.. I heard that there’s a lot of people from Hawaii who live in Seattle.. They probably have the second most people from Hawaii other than Vegas.. I can’t stand Zanzabar either, too much military peeps and tourist.. Fashion 45 is not bad though.