oh come on! If you’re going to use his wins over GSP and Penn as the basis of your argument for how great Hughes is, then you’ve failed before you complete a third sentence. Getting GSP to tap with less than two seconds left and then beating Penn after he separated his ribs does not show how great of a fighter he is. Look at those fights in their entirety as well as the fights he lost to those two men. He was dominated badly in all four fights.

he was never an all time great, he’s an all time overrated fighter. the guy never even truly won the title the first time against Newton. He was out cold and fell to the mat, BJM didn’t realize Hughes was out cold too, had he noticed the match would have been ruled a NC and hughes would’ve faded into obscurity instead of getting lucky and hand fed fighters.

Hughes and all time great!! Ludicrous. He’s one of the most overrated fighters of all time. that’s about the only all time thing hughes is capable of accomplishing.

JJ: I totaly agee with your whole comment. People need to realize that he faced GSP 3 times and only won a combined total of like 20 seconds against GSP.

In the 1st fight, the fat buddah BJ showed up and he completely dominated Hughes submitting him in the 1st round. The second fight BJ dominated the 1st 2 rounds before cracking a rib, so give Hughes the 3rd round and HUGHES still oNLY won 1 round and 20 seconds against about 9 rounds total that GSP/Penn won. Penn and GSP are the best fighters that hughes has ever faced and he didnt do well against either of them.

This is why everyone jumps on his case, because he talks crap. I dont want to hear that another fighter isnt top 5 coming from a guy who is not even top 10 anymore!

I cant wait till Matt’s twin brother makes his UFC debut so he can get knocked out too!

john so its ok for Nog to get dominated in his fights before he wins? But its not ok for Hughes? Dont let your dislike blind you guys from the truth. Matt Hughes, was the most dominant WW todate.

JV: How in the world can u compare Nog to hughes? I cant even dignify that with a response.

If you dont know, u never will? whats the name of that boring cowboy song that Hughes uses for his entrances?

JV nice comment….talk about someone who gets the literal sh** beat out of them and then comes back to win…Big Nog is king of that!

when has hughes been know to take a beating and win by submission.

Thanks Chadx23, john Im not comparing fighters, Im comparing the situations. You said Matt got dominanted in 2 rounds with Penn. So What? Hughes came back and pounded Penns face into the mat. Same with Nog, he got dominanted by Tim and then pulled off a sub right? So the situation does compare. So answer the question: Why is it ok for Nog but not for Hughes?

Nogueira doesnt oose fights, he just runs out of time! LOL

I wouldnt even put Hughes in the same breath as Nog!

Think about hte top welterweights today, Hughes hasn’t really beat any of them. He won when fighters were still one dimensional. He has never faced:
Fitch
sheilds
Kos
Karo
Diego
hasnt beaten Aves
been dominated by GSP

He beat guys like trig, Newton, sherk, cheruto guys that couldnt hold the top welterweights of today’s Jocks.

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john, none of those guys were around back then, all those guys just jumped on the scene. Now that Hughes is past it, how can you expect him to face these young up and comers? those guys he faced were at the top of the division at the time. And everybody says BJ should have won the GSP fight right? Then Matt pounded BJ after right? And GSP had ran threw the division when he got tapped by Hughes.

those old guys would never beat any of the new guys. Just like Royce couldnt beat Hughes. So Hughes should keep his mouth shut about a guy who almost decapitated him 2 months ago with a flying Knee. He can think about how Alves isnt top 5 while he is rehabbing his messed up knee thanks to Alves’s KO!

thr guys he faced where what the ufc had at the time and not the best in the world.

john i agree with you and I don’t like hughes and his comment pissed me off as I am a huge alves fan ….but to this comment I think your wrong. I consider anyone who is a pioneer a great and in his time, he was one of the greats in the sport and should be remembered as a pioneer. I consider Royce a great even though he couldn’t compete with the guys today. Just like many athletes in other sports are considered great even though they could not compete with the athletes of today…hell the entire NFL in the 1970’s would have a hard time competing with anyone from today because they are much bigger, faster, stronger due to modern fitness. Its just the evolution of the sport. There will be a time when people will say GSP cant compete with these guys. The reason being is as the sport evolves, so do the people that play it. In the 90’s no one could beat Royce, and in the late 90’s early 2000s no one could beat hughes, and now it is late 2000s and no one can beat St. Pierre. All of these guys should and will be considered greats of the sport because they were at one time.

Regardless hughes comment here is stupid because the guy did knock his ass out 2 months ago. He should shut up and retire after fighting serra win or lose.

hughes sucks, he won the belt on sheer luck, got handled by bj in the 1st fight, got lucky bj injured himself in the second, fought a bunch of cans, got KTFO by gsp, beat up a skinny old gracie, he did tap gsp which imo was the highlight of his career, got dominated on the ground by gsp, dry humped Chris Lytle for a decision… totally, TOTALLY over-rated, he was “dominant” during a time when being 1 dimensional was ok. he was hand fed fighters and when a fight came up that the ufc couldn’t avoid he got beat most of the time. what is his record against quality fighters? (not Joe Riggs, or under-sized lightweights, or any other cans) 2 wins-4 losses. OVER-RATED!!!!

Ok you Hughes haters. Yes he’s gettin old and on his way out, but he was the man in his prime. You can’t take away from him that he has beat GSP and BJ. You can call the armbar on GSP lucky or whatever, but he won, he was the better mma fighter that night. Now with BJ, everyone saying that Hughes won because BJ had a seperated rib, so what, sounds to me that Hughes seperated it for him. Hughes afflicted pain on BJ that lead to his loss, that is the whole point to the fight you idiots. So Hughes was the better mma fighter that night also. It’s like you Hughes haters want to take these wins away from Hughes, but sorry, what is done is done, Hughes beat them both at one time. Deal with it!

renato verissimo, gil castillo, joe riggs and royce gracie, marcello aguiar carlos newton? thats part of his ufc prowess ? come on they cant rank at all with todays talent! sean sherk? hayato sakurai? not real welterweights! frank trigg? il give him that but look at how gsp raped trigg! trigg realy troubled hughes!
chris lytle is decent i’l give hughes that but i dont see lytle in the ufc much longer!
if hughes were to face any of the following he would most likely get his ass handed to him
diego sanchez
karo parisyan(also overrated)
john fitch
josh koscheck
mike swick
anthony “rumble” johnson( hughes wont take him down)
thats how i see it mania hughes is way over the hill and we all know it! and its because he isnt with militich anymore he is training his own team

Hughes is the greatest WW ever!!! Suck it up people. I can’t stand Rampage, but I respect all that he accomplished in MMA…same goes for Shamrock, Tito, Kos. Personal feelings should never get into it when discussing the accomplishments of athletes (objectivity anyone)

Just a thought – if Hughes only beat BJ because BJ had a cracked rib, who cracked BJ’s rib???

Hughes’ accomplishments speak for themselves. Yes, he’s no longer a title contender, but he’s done it all. Like every single sport, MMA is evolving. Superstars from the 1980s NBA couldn’t shine today’s players shoes, so what? Do you hate them too?

Thanx Wadz. It took me this long to find a place to sneek a word in, but I was about to say the same thing you said about Hughes win over Penn. I can see when people talk about his win against GSP not meaning that much, since GSP has beaten Hughes 2 times since then, but last time I checked, he won his last fight against Penn. I am sick about hearing about how good B.J. looked in that fight before he absolutely got his ASS HANDED TO HIM. Hughes got him in a crucifix hold, and then punched him in the face about 20 times. No one ever says that Overeem looked great just before Chuck knocked him out, because it doesn’t matter how good you looked before you got destroyed.

That rant aside, When Hughes was in his prime, he was a nightmare for everyone he faced. He absolutely dominated most of his fights, and was a great champion.

He is no longer in his prime, and may not be top 5 in the division anymore himself, but that doesn’t mean that he is a loser and does not know what he is talking about.

Between all the people hating on Hughes and Randy the last few days, I am left believing that this place is filling up with 15 year olds, and can only hope it does ot turnj into Sherdog.

Hey John,

Just so you know, Matt Hughes twin brother, who’s called Mark by the way, already made his UFC debut.

yeah, him and his brother used to torture and murder animals. Bully other kids, beat up their own parents and curse them out, and he basically brags about it all in his book….Some Christian!l

I’m gonna’ get that book used on Amazon just so I can hate on him some more!

yeah, if u ike hating on him, like I do, you should definety read his book!

Check our what Barnett had to say about Aleks emelianenko:

    
“Aleksander Emelianenko must have hit something mighty powerful to think I am afraid of fighting him. The only offer I ever had to fight him was the one time I did fight him…and I won. His version of asking for a rematch is doing so in a locker room after beating Bobish while I visited his brother. "Sure we can fight. Why not for free even, I mean who does this to make money right!?" He’s not an "insane" fighter. He’s just delusional.

    He thinks I have been "running" from him because "I know I will lose". He says he lost because he had a, and I am not making this up, a temperature of "98.6″. No, he doesn’t mean Celsius because his organs would have cooked off like fireworks at the kind of heat (208.6C). Go back to rapping about….fuck who cares!? Have you heard that shit!?

    I was asked if I would fight him in this Affliction event and I said "In a heart beat". Ask Tom or Todd. I will walk up to him when I see him next and let him know too. You will never beat me. I will fight you anytime and you will lose again. You can make all the excuses you want but when they’re picking up what’s left of you the proof will be for all to see…splattered all over the ring."

Sounds like they will definety fight again sooner or later!

KO of the night at UFC 87 is coming from the Everson/Kongo fight. for those that dont know Everson, he is a Muy Tai fighter who has competed in K-1 and he hates wretslers (like me). These 2 big Heavyweights are going to throw leather and it should be great to watch. Its a crime that this fighht is on the under card but Manny/emeson is on the main card!

Doesnt Dana know that Karo and his cousin Manny have ZERO fans?

I love coming on here because hating is one of my hobbies and there are so many like-minded folk here to join in. Let’s all join in together and burn our hatred brightly. There’s always someone here to hate so that’s good.

I am not Hating on HUghes, this is real talk! Its not my fault that he is a trashy person!

Whats the name of matt’s boring enterance song?

John, I don’t want to buy his book. Could you please give me one example of his animal torture. I have all kinds of crazy ideas about what that could mean.

John, the song is by Hank Williams Jr. and it is called Country Boys Can Survive, or something along those lines. BTW, that is the worst entrance song ever. The best is Chuck’s, The Intro by DMX.

And let me guess, It’s the worst entrance ever because you said so ? WOW who are you ? I like posting on this website, It makes me laugh how everyone bad mouths fighters like they would get in the octagon with them. Matt Hughes has done tons for the sport, with that being said, his time is passing by, that’s all there is to it, and he has an opinion just like everyone else does, id he says Thiago isn’t top 5, i would agree, He knows a hell of a lot more then anyone on here does about MMA

I didn’t want to buy Matt Hughes book either but I just bought it used on Amazon so the $$ would go back into a fellow MMA fans pocket, rather than the publisher.

wow fight the power your cool

THanks BNF…someone had asked me earlier this week and its been botering me all week that I couldnt remember whatit was!

Yeah, because no one on this board ever experimented at all as kids…no one ever pulled the legs off a daddy-long-legs…
Are fishermen who use live bait bastards? Are people who kill spiders in their homes assholes?
Hughes is an awesome fighter – at one time he was the best in his division – hands down.
And if the pitbull is so great, how come he couldn’t make weight?
Hughes is right, Alves is not top five in the ww division:
GSP
Fitch
Kos
Sanchez
Swick

Wadz, have you ever tried to cut 20-25 pounds with a busted up ankle? Thiago has always made weight in the past, and I bet it wont be a problem again.

in that case, maybe he should be fighting at 185

Matt Hughes, keep my boy Alves’s name out of your mouth, u washed up has been! I would love to see him throw u around like a lil Biatch again! 1 dimensional wanker! Cant wait till Serra makes you his Biatch!

So Alves beating Hughes didnt really mean much john, seeing as how you say hes a washed up has been. I dont consider Alves top 5 either, I’ll wait to see if he can get past Diego, which I dont think he will.

I see Hughes beating Serra, but I bet Serra could take Alves.

i like serra but he does not even belong at 170 lbs, i could see him beating hughes and than he should drop down if he wants to hang around for awhile.

Hughes and Farve should start a “I should have retired but I’m retarded” club… Then we can all watch in horror as they destroy historic careers.

John, I wouldn’t go that far as to say Serra will beat Hughes, and JV…ummmm…what?!?!

Chill out John!

Matt Hughes is a legend and acts with dignity even in defeat. I was at the 85 weigh-in and when Alves came in 4LBS OVER Dana just glanced at Matt and he gave the ‘ok’ sign and smiled.

He’s a good guy and this sport owes him a lot, Alves is just a young pup. Yes he is absolutly a better fighter than Matt now but coming in 4lbs over was a massive advantage and i think he’s a douche for that reason.

Hope Sanchez throws him around like a rag doll.

Maybe if your boy alves would have put in the effort to actually make weight he would deserve some respect.

How can he be a top 5 welterweight when he can’t even make weight for an event that he headlined.

Hughes gets respect for allowing the fight to even go on. He could have easily said nope I’m not gonna risk my health because some guy is unprofessional.

You guys that bash Alves are the same that were talking crap to me when I was busy predicting and betting on Alves knocking out Karo and HUghes. Check mania’s archives if you guys want to play the bad memory card! Not only did I oredict the wins, I believe I predicted the knees as well!

What does Alves have to do to get some respect? destroy the whole division? Whatever, hate all u want, after he Tests Diego’s Mexican jaw u guys will still be running their mouthhs.

Enough with the Matt HUghes is so noble that he fought Alves when he weight 4 lbs over argument…Alves had to give Hughes part of his purse because of it, he paid enough for that already! So what if Alves weighed a litte more, Hughes made his name by cutting massive amounts of weight and being much bigger then his opponents.I dont care what Alves weights, Right now he will KO any welterweight with the exception of fitch and GSP!!!

Wow… What happened to well reasoned arguement and a good natured debate? This has degenerated into a hissy handbag affair.

Gotta say though, unless the stated someone is actually your child, or at stretch someone you have helped tutor and have developed a close, almost parental relationship with, then you should probably avoid refering to them as ‘your boy’…

john your still avoiding questions. If Matt is washed up as you say, then Alves beating him doesnt mean much right? I dont hate on Alves, he truly is a pitbull. Ill wait untill the Diego/Thiago fight to see if Thiago is for real, or just one of the good WW’s.

Serra would be a good match with Pen at 155, if Serra could make the wieght it would be a good fight… but then again I love the “Jits” game.

Don’t get me wrong. Alves is a bad man and probably is a top 5 WW,but not making weight (especially in the UFC) is a real negative in my book. Nobody let Lutter off the hook for it so why should Alves get off the hook when he has had two incedents.

I think that Diego will knock him off.

Ro-J, do you seriously think BJ would have a problem with Serra? BJ would make him look worse than GSP did last time. Serra will lose to Hughes when they fight. He would lose to any top 10 WW or LW for that matter. He is a 1 hit wonder and after Hughes beats his a$$ he will fade away…

DDT thats a good point! Lutter got bashed but Alves get a pass twice? Im not an Alves hater, Im just going to wait and see how he does against Diego.

JV, I hate Hughes and I knew Alves was going to kill him, but this fight with Diego will be a whole different story. Alves has been finished, we have yet to see Diego get finished. Hughes shots were so predictable that Alves was able to defend very sucessfully. Diego will set up his shots with much better combinations and will put Alves on his back. I like both of them so I don’t really care who wins, but I think this one has fight of the year written all over it!

Yea BNF, I dont hate on Alves, but to say hes just going to run over any WW because he beat Hughes is foolish! I think Diego is much more aggressive and will push the pace of the fight. If I had to choose I’ll go with Diego.

BNF, Mania doesnt want to post my comments anymore I guess?

JV, seems like more moderation than usual today for me too…

bj and serra have fought and it was a great figth it went to a decision

BNF maybe Mania hates Hughes too, so my defending post are now stuck in moderation. lol

NO, thats not it, I have been bashing Matt al day, and I am stuck in MOderation “purgatory” as well!

NO beating HUghes didnt meancmuch for Alves, but most f yoou were trying to tell me that Hughes woud win when I was saying to watch the fying knee… same thing when he made Karo eat a KNEE Caserole!

This site has been sleeping on Alves for too long. What will you guys have to say aboout him when he destroys Diego’s famous Mexican Jaw? I am a huge Diego fan as I am an Aves fan so I just want to see a great fight, BUt I realy think Alves is in the middle of a meteoric rise right now and it will take Fitch or GSP to derail him!

diego will not take him down. Alves is a HUGE welterweight and Diego is Tiny! Diego coudnt get uigi down to the matt so I doubt he will be able to put Alves on his back. Either way Aves’s submission defense is getting better and better. Diego wont bring any special Jits to the table that Alves doesnt deal with on a dail basis in practice. He trains with ju jItsu wizards: Tibau, Maximus, tHiago Silva… Not really worried about Diego submitting him.

Diego has one chance of beating alves, and thats to mount him and TKO his way to a win, but I dont think that it willl happen!

I wish Mania would moderate John, permanently. I, personally, am sick of seeing his stupid comments all over every thread. He must not have a life or he wouldnt have time to post a thousand comments a day.

On just this one thread, John has posted 24 comments!

I agree with u on all counts on Matt Hughes here John. I just ordered his book used from Amazon. I always felt he was a sadistic F#@K and his book will not only be interesting, but confirm what I always thought about him.

BTW, I was thinking Diego would beat Thiago, but since you’ve been commenting on it, I may have to change my mind.. pretty good assessment there.

thank you!

At least u appreciate it, I been taking a beating on here. Then again I have been criticized for saying Alves would beat Karo and Hughes….Eventually all these Alves Haters will become fans and start riding his jock when he becomes the next big thing in the welterweight division.

Alves is really on Fire right now. Diego is Tiny (although I am a fan of his). If Diego couldnt get Luigi down, how can anyone think that he wll be able to take Alves who is Huge and put him on his back. I dont see it happening. Diego’s stand up is much improved, but still not good enough to not get kNocked out against Alves. Lets not kid ourselves, NO ONE IN THE DIVISION wants to stand and trade with Alves right now. I really think it will take GSP or Fitch to slow him down! Evertyone else will get their heads knocked off!

John, I agree with you for the most part, and I’m with you in saying that most of the people that post here are simple minded, and don’t understand the intricacies of the game. They just pick their favorite fighter, and argue that they’ll win to the death. IMO, Hughes was the same case as Tito, just not as much. They were both really good FOR THEIR TIME. Both pioneers, but not evolved enough now.

That said, I agree with you 100% that Thiago will destroy Diego. Ive said before that Diego would be smarter to fight at 155, as well as Koscheck. The thing I disagree with you on, is that GSP or Fitch will beat Thiago. I think they’d both have a harder time taking him down than Fitch did in the first fight (2+ years ago, and even if they do, his defense has become top notch. Plus, they might very well get KTFO’d by a thunderous knee when they shoot in on him. I expect HUGE things from Alves in the future. Hell, the guys only 24! He’s better than GSP was at 24 isn’t he? My only concern is that he may be a juicer. He looked absolutely massive against Hughes, when compared to the Karo fight, and it was only a few months apart. I hope like hell we don’t find out he was using steroids.

who Knows?

There are a lot of things that it’s better to be first at, but beating a guy first in a fight and then losing to him isn’t the best order to be 1-1 with someone. Do you mean everyone knows that he will beat Hughes again, like he beat him the last time he DIDN’T beat him?LOL.

roy, Being well conditioned and able to avoid injury is another dimension that makes up who the better fighter is…not just their skill-set. Hughes was better/more prepared that night.

it is part of it thats why i said he won the fight but come on bj was kicking the shit out of him and beat him the first fight with no problems, bj is the far better fighter and always will be so if you want to agrue how good matt is i would not use the bj and gsp fights.

roy I’ll tell you just like I told john, its ok for Nog to get dominated in his fights, but its not ok for Hughes??? BJ got his face pounded into the mat and GSP tapped, no excuses!

I love BJ, but Hughes punished him in the crucifix. Its a fight, fighters get injured. He’s 1 and 1 with BJ. Hughes was a great fighter, but everyone caught up to him. Look Royce was the best b/c no one knew bjj. Put him in there now and he gets pounded. Its the evolution of the sport.

i did not make any excuses i told it like it is, hughes did not pull off some miracle victory over bj he got beat the first fight and bj got injured in the 2nd fight so hughes won, he did not pull out some submision or take over the fight with his striking or ground game bj got hurt and thats how he won.

BJ HAS NO HEART AND ALL THE SKILL IN THE WORLD. Every time The Prodigy gets in trouble he crumbles.

Ro-J: I used to like your posts, but thats a ridiculous statement u just made!

bJ Penn can do NO WRONG!

Best fighters in the world:
Fedor
Anderson
BJ
Shogun when Healthy!

It’s more ridiculous to not have GSP in the top 4 fighters. It’s ludicrous to have BJ above him. It baffles me how so many have BJ above GSP. What merrits this? GSP has fought nothing but the best and beat them ALL, INCLUDING BJ. I don’t get it.

Gord, I dont deny how good GSP is. He is on of my favorite fighters. THe facts are that many people including myself think that GSP will loose to BJ in the rematch. BJ gave GSP hell in the 1st fight and thats when Bj was a fat, out of shape slob. With his new found dedication and cardio, many of us think he is virtually invincible at 155lbs and 170 lbs. Truth is that BJ isnt the only one who has gotten better since their 1st fight. GSP has also improved leaps and bounds since then which is why I think it will be on eof the best and biggest fights in UFC history. I cant wait to see them fight for 5 rounds.

My question to all of you guys: Who du think will be the favorite and what do u think the odds will be when GSP faces BJ penn for a second time?

Ro-J, I think you hit the nail on the head. I think BJ has no heart and has bought into his own hype. BJ ha already LOST to GSP. BJ has only improved his cardio while GSP has improved his over-all skill (and probably his cardio) during the same time. So what makes anyone think BJ will take out GSP???

lol @ Mir. you’re only as good as your last fight! Werdum looked good against Vera. 1st round mountage, so easily. Too bad all his glory got drowned in Vera’s early stoppage noise. Werdum Nog is more evenly matched but it already happened plus they don’t have enough hype to be a hot selling main event. know what i mean? who’s favorite fighter is Werdum (besides you, john.lol)? yet everybody loooves Mir.

The out come of their rematch (and Hughes would have got an immediate rematch) and the fact that GSP was in the UFC by then makes it a little hard for me to understand that BJ would dominate the WW division. BJ is 0-2 in the WW after his 1st and ONLY win at WW. He wouldn’t have been off to a great start at dominating by losing his first 2 fights, that’s for sure. Hope you can understand that.

chill out gord! i like gsp too. just because someone writes something positive about b.j, doesnt automatically mean they are knocking gsp or vise-versa. you totally misconstrued my blog. your a little too sensitive towards gsp dude.