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Carlos Condit to remain in WEC ... but for how long?

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"If I fight those [UFC] guys, it will be as the WEC champion.... There are a lot of tough guys – a lot of them, believe me – but you just have to fight whoever they tell you to fight. I’m proud to be the WEC champion and whoever I fight, whenever I fight, wherever I fight, I’ll do it as the WEC champion."

WEC Welterweight Champion Carlos Condit responds to questions about future title challengers after his electrifying fourth round technical knockout win over Hiromitus Miura at WEC 35 last night. He's essentially cleared out the 170-pound division and a bump up in competition would seem likely at this point. And to do that he would have to make a lateral jump to the "other" Zuffa-owned mixed martial arts promotion also known as the Ultimate Fighting Championship, which boasts most of the top welterweights in the world. However, he appears to be towing the company line ... for now. His tune could change soon, especially if the WEC moves forward with a planned re-alignment that would focus on lighter weight classes (155 pounds and under) and integrate the rest of its roster with the UFC. No timetable has been set for such a move, but it has been discussed.

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Not sure if he should come in and fight GSP as the WEC champion. GSP would put that belt to shame.

by c-war on Aug 4, 2008 10:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I felt he looked not into the fight last night…even his mean mug was weak!!!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Aug 4, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

after teh fight he stated that his grandmother had died 2 days ago, which is probably the reason for that.

by KitsuneX on Aug 4, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, that HAD to take a toll on him mentally

by ViolentMike on Aug 4, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

for sure. especially if they were close. i had my grandma die 2 days before i got married, so in some ways i can see why he didn’t perform up to his usual standards. that sort of thing really takes you out of your element. besides in 2 days it isn’t like he had time to grieve, get over it and get back to normal life.

by KitsuneX on Aug 4, 2008 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

its easy to be a dominant champion when youre fighting tomato cans and C level fighters, no wonder he wants to stay with WEC

by brendan on Aug 4, 2008 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey john, email me kevjack115@yahoo with some prices, whole place, one bed etc. if the price is right, maybe I’ll take my parents too!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Aug 4, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I got you, I will send you some pretty cool info on the Island as well, like must see sites and when I am there I often like to go to the beach resorts, you know so I can order drinks all day and food, hell I even remember one year I was there for Christmass and I caught an Eagles football game right at a beach bar….It was like the best thing ever because I am a die hard birds fan. So I will send u some names of the near by resort beaches that u should visit. what time of year are you looking at?

And if you like Sea Food, I got a place that will blow your mind.

by john on Aug 4, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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by PW on Aug 4, 2008 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you haters on here get ridiculous. you do realiza that some of us make good livings and have nice things right! John has sent me info, it all checks out! this isn’t myspace, and we’re not little kids. When we all put our bio up the other day, I was pleasantly surprised that we’re all older guys with lives. Sorry you don’t own anything PW!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Aug 4, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Relax Kevin. I was joking that I was going to forward some of my spam to your e-mail that you posted in a very public forum.

by PW on Aug 4, 2008 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

geeze Kev, who peed in your cereal this morning? you’ve been crotchety all day.

by kitsunex on Aug 4, 2008 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

slept an hour last night

by kevin doesn't know shit on Aug 4, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GSP would beat him WEARING his UFC-belt in the cage, take his WEC-belt, piss on it, and then give the belt back to him after he wakes up.

If i wasnt clear enough; hate this overrated dude!

by cmon_chokehim on Aug 4, 2008 10:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Condit is a good fighter, but it kinda sounds like he’s ducking the step up in competition. Though I would love to see him thrown into the 170 lbs talent pool over in the UFC. I mean, if GSP runs through Fitch, and then Alves/Sanchez then he definatley needs another contender.. Who better than Condit? (Besides Penn of course.)

by O damn he got caught on Aug 4, 2008 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

monday morning conversation with kevin:
Perfect, we had tis debate the other day, and it was a good one! After watching that fight last night (I watched it this morning), he has no business fighting anyone in the UFC. That Japanese guy exposed him for exactly what I said on friday! He’s too small and not strong enough. That guy took him down at will and pounded on him using Judo! What would the dominant wrestlers (Hughes, Fitch, Kos, Diego or GSP) do to him? I’ll tell you, take him down and finish him! My advice, stay in the WEC and pad that record son!!!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Aug 4, 2008 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Which is what it looks like his plan is. I’m not taking a cheap shot at him but in both quotes I’ve read about coming over to the UFC he’s sounded kinda dodgey to me. But can you blame him, over at WEC he’s the best they got at 170, why trade up a belt and the spot light to be a sub par fighter in the UFC?

by O damn he got caught on Aug 4, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He would NOT be subpar in the UFC. He would be Top 10. When Jon Fitch first came into the UFC he didn’t start right out facing GSP. In fact, it took him 8 fights to get him.

Kev, regarding Condit vs Kos, please see my post below.

I think that Condit would beat up Hughes if he’s able to stop the takedown. Condit vs Diego would be the funnest fight to watch!

by ViolentMike on Aug 4, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“if he could stop the takedown” He proved last night he couldn’t. He got tossed around like a rag doll!! Hughes, oh forget it, I listed them all already. All the cream of the crop, top of the food chain wrestlers would eat this guy up!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Aug 4, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunatley until he makes the jump from one to the other we will never know how he’d look against kos, sanchez, fitch, lytle, alves, GSP, (possibly Penn?).

by O damn he got caught on Aug 4, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Believe it or not, Brock Larson is a very good wresttler and Condit finished him in the first round. Granted, he isn’t an elite fighter, but he has fought great wrestlers His fight wish Jake Shields was rather close.

He has also fought and beaten Frank Trigg and beat him in just over a minute as well, from the bottom with a sick submission.

So far, the best wrestlers that he has fought, he has submitted in about 1 minute!!!

by ViolentMike on Aug 4, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just saw his fight with Muira, WOW! That was a good war. Muira threw Condit around and got out of some good subs. I think we should see Condit/Larson 2.

by JV on Aug 4, 2008 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JV: where did u watch the fight? I fell asleep last night and missed it and when I checked theusual sites earlier this morning, none had the fights posted.

by john on Aug 4, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I had it DVR’d, and just watched it right now. If you havent seen it its a must see fight, it was a war.

by JV on Aug 4, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that fight was awsome, either condit was exposed or miura is that good.

by roy on Aug 4, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I F*ckin forgot to set my DVR and Fell asleep! WTF, I always end up falling asleep and missing WEC events because they are on Sunday night and I am usually all partied out from teh weekends! WTF!!!!!

by john on Aug 4, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL! Thats funny, cause thats what happens to me. But as soon as I hear the date I’ll set my DVR. My DVR goes up to two weeks in advance. Im telling you john its a must see fight, like roy said, either Condit got alittle exposed, or Muira is a dam good fighter.

by JV on Aug 4, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

john – They’ll probably play it again this week on Verses. They seem to re-air the event the following week, but I forget on which day. They did spin it twice last night: once live (obviously), then re-aired it after TapouT.

by MMACrossfire on Aug 4, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

great point roy, he got exposed!!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Aug 4, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i enjoyed that fight, i thought it was more of a fatigue knock down than that knee being that strong and if he could have made it out of that round who knows?

by roy on Aug 4, 2008 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thanks roy

by john on Aug 4, 2008 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why do you think that he would come in and be an automatic #1 contender? Nick Diaz was the WEC champ when he came to the UFC an he didn’t get an instant title shot. It makes no sense for them to get one.

Carlos is not the #2 WW in the world. However, he is for sure top 10. I have been saying this example for a while now. MMAweekly has Josh freaking Koscheck ranked at #3. If Kos were to fight Condit, what would he do? Whenever Kos fights someone with dangerous BJJ, he stays away from his wrestling and keeps the fight standing. And when he fights a great striker, he takes the fight to the ground. Well, Condit is a fabulous BJJ practicioner and his Muay Thai is waaaay more dangerous that Curly Hair’s overhand right. There is no where that kos would be comfortable in that fight.

There are several fighters in the top 10 that I feel Carlos can beat right now. He is by no means ready for GSP or Fitch, and he knows he’s not. But when he does come to the UFC, they can have him fight a lessr WW in his debbut, like Paul Taylor or something. If he had 1 or 2 fights in the octagon before facing the Top 5 and eventually working his way to a title shot in his 2nd or 3rd year in the UFC.

by ViolentMike on Aug 4, 2008 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree! I think Condit could beat a few top 10 welterweights, not Fitch or GSP, but like u said, he would give Kos hell anwhere Kos wants to take the fight.

HIs skills are there, he is a good strength and conditioning coach away from being a threat to anyone! Keep in mind he is very young. By the time he turns 27, he will be 1 bad Mofo!

by john on Aug 4, 2008 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I great fight would be Condit vs. McLovin! Now that would be a hard fought WAR!

by john on Aug 4, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

john did you watch the fight last night? I HAT kos, but he would eat condit alive! He would take him down and finish him in the 1st.
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Rumored NYE card I’m hearing!
Wanderlai/TBA (hopefully chuck
Mir/Nog
GSP/BJ
and the one I like
Shogun has been calling out Coleman!!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Aug 4, 2008 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fell asleep and forgot to set the DVR!!! I am such an ASS!

by john on Aug 4, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Got the inside scoop on a fight for UFC 88. I posted this before, during the weekend but in case u guys missed it, I here that Jason “the punisher” lambert, will take his man-boobs and cut down to middleweight to face Alessio Sakara, because the Marquardt/Kampman match up wont take place until UFC 89.

by john on Aug 4, 2008 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin, shouldnt Shogun’s credibilaty go down calling out Coleman? I mean Soku was calling him out.

by JV on Aug 4, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought the same thing, but didn’t coleman break his arm!! Thats why!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Aug 4, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shogun fell and his arm broke. Dont give old man Coleman that much credit. Shogun knows he missed his chance at chuck, chucks fighting Rashad then will fight Forrest and Machida/thiago are booked. He wont fight wande3rlei so there is no one left for him to fight anyway, especially since he has been sidelined for awhile and wants to come back in december. I have no problem with him fighting coleman in december. Shogun needs a tune up fight and there is bad blood between the two. The UFC owes coleman a fight and Shogun is one of the few guys that can make a coleman fight worth watching these days.

F**KIN WAR SHOGUN!!!! Cant wait till he gets his hands on chuck and Forrest!

by john on Aug 4, 2008 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Shogun v. Bonnar? They are both coming off bad injuries and should be ready to go around December.

I would rather see Bonnar than Coleman.

by DDT on Aug 4, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that would be a better fight

by roy on Aug 4, 2008 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d like to see him fight Chris Lytle, great BJJ and Great striking vs Great BJJ and Great striking, lol, that would be a good match up.

by O damn he got caught on Aug 4, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol, he’d get hurt!!!!!!!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Aug 4, 2008 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL, Lytle would not be the favorite in a fight vs Condit.

Yeah, I hate on certain fighters, but I still admit that they are goood. For example, I love to hate on GSP, but I ain’t saying that Carlos can beat him, cuz at this point in time, he can’t.

Kev, Condit is a Top 10 WW in every single person’s book but your’s! My dislike of Kos has him out of my Top 5 (In my honest opinion, he shouldn’t be in anyone’s Top 5), but I still have him Top 10 because I am realistic. Why so much hate for Condit? The fighter he faught was a MW that JUST moved down to WW 1 fight previous to. And he one via KO in like 30 seconds. Just cuz you may not have heard of Miura does not mean that he isn’t a very solid fighter. Did you see his fight against Mayhem Miller?? He fought off the craziest submissions that were being thrown at him by Mayem. Even ones that are RARELY seen attempted in MMA, such as the Twister and the, the, the, JOHN, help me out – I just smoked and I’m not concentraging, I’m watching last nights episode of “I Love Money” LOLOL

by ViolentMike on Aug 4, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no work today mike…I like comdit, as you said, just being realistic! He is a great wec champion…did you see the way he got tossed around! Lyltle’s stand up is better, and all the ww wrestlers would take him down at will! He thinks miura wore him down, picture a world class wrestler. Don’t give me a mw moving to ww, the UFC ww’s could all be mw for the most part. they cut for the competitive edge!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Aug 4, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i not saying he didn’t get exposed somewhat but it was not wrestling moves that got him down alomst every take down was a judo throw and i don’t know how many wrestlers have those like miura did

by roy on Aug 4, 2008 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I get that roy, I think Karo is a dhitty fighter, he’d finish condit though…using judo! Wrestling takedowns are more explosive!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Aug 4, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree and i think at best he might just barely make the top ten in the ufc, at numbner 10.i think he is a tough fighter but alor of people in the ufc would beat him.

by roy on Aug 4, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROY. good point. those werent just your average run of the mill takedowns, those were highly skilled judo throws. as far as condit being overated or miura being better than advertised, i think it is a little bit of both.

by b.w. on Aug 4, 2008 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would agree

by roy on Aug 4, 2008 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ViolentMikme: The submission u r thiokiong of is “SPLITS’”! Miura was a bad ass middleweight and he makes for a MONSTER welterweight. Condit is the real deal. I have to put him in my top 10 and I also think he would KO or Submit Koschek, ground or standing Kos would GET CAUGHT!

I think Condit would beat Lytle, who you guys probably know I am a big fan of. I would really like to see Condit vs. Hazelett…that would be a really good fight.

There are a lot of fights out there that wopuld be awesome and winnable for Condit like:
Marcus Davis
Chris Lytle
Dustin Hazlett
Burkman is always good for a beating for a fighter making there UFC debut
Mike Swick
Matt HUghes

I think Condit is a lot tougher than his body suggest. he may not beat my boy Alves but would make for a bad ass opponent! That be some crazy MUy Tai, flying around trhe Octagon between those two.

Kevin: I think you are underrating Condit

by john on Aug 4, 2008 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JOHN. i called for burkman to fight condit after the swick loss. he seems (is) like the one guy who cant beat anyone in the top 10, but also doesnt get owned either (except fich). i think burkman would be a a good measure for condit as to where he actually stands in the top 10. hazlett and swick would be excellent matchups as well. it would be awsomw to have a time machine and have miura’s next fight be against jake shields. that fight would be a good measure as well for both miura and shields. i think miura has a bright future at ww imo.

by b.w. on Aug 4, 2008 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that fight last night was very entertaining. but i saw some holes in condit’s game. he’s not strong in the clinch like he thinks he is, seemed to easy to reverse him and he gassed. i have never seen GSP, fitch, kos, or any of the top WW in the ufc gas…never. i don’t think he could ever measure up to those guys but like i said i would love too see him try.

by rob on Aug 4, 2008 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If GSP beats Penn, Fitch, alves and Diego then they might have to bring condit in to face GSP because there wont really be anyone left for him to face. He has beaten most of the other welterweights except for Marcus Davis, Swick but those guys are a long way from earning title shots.

Condit’s skills are there, he just needs to work with a good strength and conditioning coach.

Condit can only fight GSP as the WEC champion, because if he fights other UFC welterweights and looses (as the WEC champ) then it wont look to good for the WEC. There is no shame in loosing to GSP in a Unification match, but if he weere to loose to a guy like Marcus Davis, then it would belittle the WEC title.

Speaking of Marcus Davia, he had the same surgery that Nick Diaz had to replace the scar tissue on his face. Hopefully it helps because like Diaz, he would get cut open pretty easily.

by john on Aug 4, 2008 11:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If GSP beats all those guys, then they have to throw him in w/ Anderson Silva.

Condit did indeed get exposed. He was very lucky to escape w/ a win last night.

by LJ on Aug 4, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the WEC is going to faze out 170 and above Belts It would make sense for him to fight GSP

by Mike on Aug 4, 2008 11:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They should at least faze out the 145 lbs division and dissolve that into the UFC to showcase some of the featherweights. Fabor on a UFC card would be great, the guy deserves the spot light he’s awesome. That also leaves the door open for a Fabor vs Penn if he could make 155 lbs (although if he looks small up against pulver he’ll definatley look even smaller up against penn) or some of the other lightweights that could make 145lbs to come down and fight ie. Frank Edgar, possibly Sherk. Sherk might have the muscle mass but with his height and reach he’s better suited to fight at 145 lbs.

by O damn he got caught on Aug 4, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fight of the year candidate

by Big Russ on Aug 4, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t think the way it ended was electrifying at all. Kind of anticlimactic. It seemed Miura was more exhuasted then hurt. Thats why he didn’t change his position. But overall good fight. Oh and I think condit would do OK in the UFC

by TitoG on Aug 4, 2008 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wheres my comment?

by TitoG on Aug 4, 2008 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nevermind i’m a Douche!!!!

by TitoG on Aug 4, 2008 12:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i think condit should make the jump next
i don’t see why marquadt vs kammpman would be on the ufc 89 card they have 12 fights already that would be 13 9 or 10 for us and 13 for them. that has to be a mistake
unless one match is being moved to ufc 90

by bryant on Aug 4, 2008 12:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Us & them? We are all fight fans.

by UKmmaBOY on Aug 4, 2008 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK….I FINALLY just watched the Condit fight. I’m sorry but there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY he is ready for the UFC guys. He’d get tore apart buy the A and beaten by most if not all the B level fighters in the weight class. Hiromitus threw him, reversed him, hit him hard and more. If Hiromitus had a little more G-n-P and a touch more JJ he would have totally pulled that fight out. I was very disappointed with Condit’s performance and it just solidifies my opinion that he is NOT ready for the big dogs. Again…in my opinion…
Condit vs. T. Alves – Condit loses
Condit vs. Marcus Davis – Condit loses
Condit vs. Fitch – Condit loses
Condit vs. Hughes – Condit loses
Condit vs. Koscheck – Condit loses
Condit vs. Parisyan – Condit loses
Condit vs. D. Sanchez – Condit loses
Condit vs. St. Pierre – Condit loses
Condit vs. Swick – Condit loses
Condit vs. A. Johnson – Condit loses

by Drew on Aug 4, 2008 10:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

get the flyweights into the wec!

by kdawg on Aug 5, 2008 5:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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