Report: Scott Smith sustains broken hand in loss to Robbie Lawler

by James Iannotti on Jul 28, 2008 2:04 PM EDT Comment 69 comments

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Scott "Hands of Steel" Smith might have to change his nickname.

According to Dave Carmichael of the Carmichael Dave Show on KHTK in Sacramento, Calif., Smith broke one of his hands in the first round against Elite XC Middleweight Champion "Ruthless" Robbie Lawler this past Saturday during the Elite XC: "Unfinished Business" main event.

Smith seemed to fight much more tentatively in that second round. It was a drastic departure from the almost reckless, caution-to-the-wind strategy he used in the first fight and through most of the first round of this rematch.

He said after the fight that he was waiting on referee Herb Dean to stop the action to check on the gash on top of Lawler's head. His exact words were that he was, "waiting for someone else to end the fight."

Perhaps Smith did feel like the blood pouring from Lawler's skull was going to be enough to get a doctor stoppage eventually, but with hindsight being 20/20, maybe a broken hand was more to blame for Smith's cautious approach.

Either way, Lawler took advantage of an inactive Scott Smith by turning up the aggression and ending the fight himself before the cut on his head ever became a factor. And in the process he put an end to the Robbie Lawler and Scott Smith saga ... for now.

There's no word on how long this injury will keep him out of action, but broken hands aren't exactly rare in this sport. He is reportedly scheduled to have surgery on Wednesday.

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I’m sick of hearing about that cut. It was no where near the eyes, and wasn’t affecting his vision or was it a threat to his eyes. VERY rarely will a fight be stopped due to cut not either on top of eye or where blod is flowing into the eye. this cut was on top of his head. No skull was showing! Bottom line in my opinion, Lawler took smith lightly the first time around and came in to finish this fight.
I for one will bet that Shamrock (old, over the hill, etc.) will destroy Robbie lawler,!
I want to see Lawler/Diaz 2, except this time have Diaz work his magic on the groundand submit him!
LE/Silva
Diaz/BJ
Shields?GSP also fights I’d like to see!
Before you say keep dreaming John, these "cross-promtions (with UFC) WILL happen! Dana is starting to lose guys, and he’s a business man first and foremost. If there is lots of money in these “mega fight” (and there are plenty more) he will move forward and promote them!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Jul 28, 2008 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

scott smith plays possom all the time he gets hit and acts like he is really “rocked” and then takes advantage… that is an MMA rule .. you can not fake an injury..

Lawler was dancing really dumb after he won, way to much punches to the head.

by mikeybear on Jul 28, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Smith needs to work on his gut. Everytime he gets hit in the gut hes done! Anybody that has seen his fights knows that he takes a good punch to the face. But get him in the gut and its over!

by JV on Jul 28, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kick him in the ribs and the fight is OVER

by ViolentMike on Jul 28, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

KEVIN, the only problem I see for Dana to cross promote is this -

How many fans of EliteXC that would PURCHASE a PPV aren’t already fans of the UFC that watch all the PPV’s?

My guess would be close to 99%. I don’t think that bringing in anyone from EliteXC, outside of Kimbo Slice, would raise the UFC’s PPV numbers.

by ViolentMike on Jul 28, 2008 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

good point mike, thats why they need an HBO or FOX deal!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Jul 28, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Dana is a business man true enough.

Dana co-promote?, unlikely.

What is for sure is Dana and Zuffa like 100% of the profits. That in itself would be enough to rule out co-promotion.

If Dana started losing fighters at a worrying level, he’d up their pay to Affliction’s level to keep them way before he would ever consider co-promoting.

by Automation on Jul 28, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

its going to be a long time before dana cross promotes if ever. the only way i see him doing it is if another org catches up or passes the ufc, and thats going to take a long time.

by roy on Jul 28, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Roy: Let him DREAM! He gets dillusional at times, other times his HATE just clouds his judgment! lol

by john on Jul 28, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

there he is, been waiting for John to jump in and HATE on me all day. I don’t hate nor am I jelous of anyone or anything John. Just realistic and unbiased. Sorry I’m not rubbing certain balls while you’re sucking their dicks. I like your commnets, why the hate on mine>

by kevin doesn't know shit on Jul 28, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

dam kevin you didn’t have to go there, john’s post was funny and not to harsh but why all gay stuff theres site for that if you like to talk like that.not hating on you just saying.

by roy on Jul 28, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe so, if I was too harsh, I apologize, but the hater calling John has been hating on my comments for weeks. If you disagree cool, I’m willing to hear your opinions! I in no way feel that I’m always right, and now I’ve dve deep into John territory by lashing out. I’m bigger than that. Sorry John!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Jul 28, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Come on Kevin, that was the most unrealistic statement that I read on here all day. AS much as I would love to see cross promotion involving the UFC, I promise you that it wont be happening anytime soon…. Its years away still, if it even happens at all!

U can attack me personally all u want, you claim to be making realistic statements, but I dont see your UFC cross promotion statement to be realistic, nor do I see your pipe DReam of Diaz moving up to middleweight to fight Lawler for a second time.

Sorry I would like to see both scenario’s happen, but they are not realistic. THe UFC did not cross promote with Pride, and Pride was a bigger company at the time. It will take years before an other organization reaches the level Pride was at in its GLory Days. There WONT be any cross promotions involving the UFC, at least not for a couple of years!

YOu think I wouldnt like to see UFC cross promote with EliteXC, DREAM, or Affliction? I would love it, but I only DReam at Night, right now, we are talking reality here!

by john on Jul 28, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

here is video of how big the cut was

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkB-lvivTrI

by ekc on Jul 28, 2008 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ouch :?

by Automation on Jul 28, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

get rid of elbows! LOL.

by linx on Jul 28, 2008 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now he can take his mobile phone into the cage lol

by Automation on Jul 28, 2008 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

GREAT FIND EKC, pretty nice cut, but not going to stop a fight!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Jul 28, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Are elbows to that part of the head legal??

by ruan-fiy on Jul 28, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes.

If you were to put on a pair of traditional headphones, anything in front of the headband is legal, and anything behind it is illegal.

by ViolentMike on Jul 28, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That seems kinda border line on the video buddy.

by ruan-fiy on Jul 28, 2008 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That is a piss poor excuse. The cut was on top of lawler’s head and was not even that bad. I cant even beleive a fighter said that he was waiting for the ref to stop the fight.

He just didnt want to admit that he lost to a better fighter

by fightfan on Jul 28, 2008 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I didn’t get the impression he was making an excuse, he was just hoping that he would get the win because of the cut, because he knew he could not the fight with a broken hand.

by Ade on Jul 29, 2008 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I mean’t to say, new he could not win the fight with a broken hand.

by Ade on Jul 29, 2008 4:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kev: Wishful thinking buddy! Hey, nothing wrong with DReaming…call me when you come back to reality. Co promotions involving the UFC are still about 3 years away if it ever happens at all!

by john on Jul 28, 2008 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

mania, has the fighter salaries come out yet? I want to see if thereis a definite reason that the ceasar gracie guys shy away from UFC and signed contract extensions. Their talent and tenacity would lead me to believe it’s monetary!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Jul 28, 2008 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Kev:

You never answered my previous question :(

How did you get your accurate name? lol

by Automation on Jul 28, 2008 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LMAO, I guess he came to his senses, I mean, he thinks Pride fights were fixed… dude at least know he doesn’t know much lol.

by linx on Jul 28, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh snap!

by ruan-fiy on Jul 28, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Here you go linx: took me all of 30 seconds to find! Google speaks portugese by the way! LOL just kidding buddy!
Fights that are generally considered by consensus to be worked or thrown:

Oleg Taktarov vs. Anthony Macias (UFC VI) – According to Macias, Buddy Albin the local site promoter and manager of both fighters threatened that Macias’ career would be over unless he took a dive against Oleg. Oleg was unware of this. Macias went on to win titles in several Albin-promoted events. Buddy Albin was a total sleeze bag BTW.

Dan Severn vs. Mitsuhiro Matsunaga (U-Japan) – Severn denies that his fight against pro wrestler Matsunaga was worked, but watching the fight itself leaves little doubt and the general consensus is that this was a worked fight.

Kimo vs Kazushi Sakuraba (S-Cup) – This was billed as a legit NHB fight on a Shootboxing card, but it turns out it was not legit (another NHB fight on the card, M. Illioukhin vs Mestre Hulk was legit). The fight looks very real and Kimo lands a number of really solid shots and headbutts. There are several versions of what took place in this fight, but perhaps the closest thing to the truth is the version that has Sakuraba carrying Kimo for most of the fight before finally taking a dive without Kimo’s knowledge. That would explain Kimo throwing real shots and Sak playing defense the whole time and also the fact that Kimo vehemently (and convincingly) insists it was legit, yet Sakuraba has said on several occasions that his first shoot MMA fight was the Conan Silviera fight, not the Kimo fight.

Murakami Kazunari vs. John Dixon (Pride 1) – It was well-known in the fight community even before the first Pride took place that the Kazunari-Dixon and Kitao-Jones fights would be works. Pride’s initial intent was to showcase different types of fights in addition to NHB – full contact karate, kickboxing and also shoot-style works like RINGS and PWFG. Later Pride would be more secretive about its worked fights.

Koji Kitao vs Nathan Jones (Pride 1) – See above.

Nobuhiko Takada vs. Kyle Sturgeon (Pride 3) – All of Takadas “wins” were blatant works. This is pretty much common knowledge.

Nobuhiko Takada vs. Mark Coleman (Pride 5) – See above.

Nobuhiko Takada vs. Alexander Otsuka (Pride 7) – See above.

Fights that are suspected of being works but there is no consensus agreement:

Don Frye vs. Mark Hall 3 (Ultimate Ultimate 2) – Several months after the fact Hall claimed that in the locker room before the match Frye had offered him $50,000 to take a dive so he would be fresh when he fought Tank in the finals (Frye had had a grueling match with Goodridge in the opening round and was exhausted). Hall came out with his accusations because, he said, Frye never paid him. Frye vehemently denied it and said Hall was a disturbed individual. Hall was blacklisted by the fight community and never fought again. The jury is still out on this one.

Naoya Ogawa vs. Gary Goodridge (Pride 6) – Anytime a pro wrestler (other than Sak) gets a win in Pride people will claim it was a work. Gary denies this was a work but many people suspect it was. Hard to tell for sure.

Naoya Ogawa vs. Masaaki Sataki (Pride 11) – See above.

Vitor Belfort vs. Joe Charles (Ultimate Japan 1) – Vitor was sick and refused to fight unless he was able to pick his opponent. He chose Charles who was one of his training partners at the time. No strikes were thrown in what turned out to be a grappling match, with Vitor winning by armbar. Whether this was a worked fight or they simply had a gentleman’s agreement not to strike is open to question.

Mark Schultz vs. Leopoldo Montenegro (Jungle Fight 1) – Schultz claims this was work but everyone else involved denies it. There have been questions about some of Montenegro’s other fights in the Inoki run promotion as well.

by kevin doesn't know shit on Jul 28, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kevin, I answered this in the other thread, but I’ll past it here as well:

I actually watched the Takada vs Coleman fight and Otsuka fights unfortunately, and they were definitely fixed, even the announcers here in Brazil were laughing as the fight went along. with that said, those other ones you mentioned I either haven’t watched or just don’t remember. Still, even if they were in fact fixed, they were done a long, LONG… time ago, and many in smaller organizations aside from Pride/UFC. How come this list doesn’t have anything from recent events? this doesn’t help you and many others that say some fights are fixed, this list is old and there nothing recent…

Hope you get better BTW :)

by linx on Jul 28, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks buddy, feeling about 70% right now, got to work tonight! Just can’t sleep and everything right down to my knuckles are sore! I know they are old, I just said you’re naive to think fights aren’t worked…see kimbo having guys tap on the way down after not getting hit or taking 2 minutes of elbows with no stoppage, then a win when thompson wasn’t even hurt!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Jul 28, 2008 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kev: I remember seeingthat Vitor fight against what they said was Judo guy.. And Vitor looked like BJJ guy..for I think the only time in his career.. I always thought that was strange.. I don’t know for sure ..but that maybe his last win via submission. And he is BJJ blackbelt.

by PhilQNY on Jul 28, 2008 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Linx: where in Brazil you @??

by PhilQNY on Jul 28, 2008 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nice research Kev!

But I gotta side with Linx that the list is very outdated.

Great Read!

by ViolentMike on Jul 28, 2008 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes it’s an old list, but you guys said there ARE NO WORKED FIGHTS. I just disagreed and backed it up! NO big deal, just naive to think a company that has millions riding on a guy (kimbo) would want him to lose. The UFC doesn’t need Lesner, and he wants top comp., that will test him!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Jul 28, 2008 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Phil I’m in Belo Horizonte brother, where in Brazil are you from?

by linx on Jul 28, 2008 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kevin, let’s get on the same page though, are you saying that the kimbo/thompson fight was legit? could you also say honestly that all MMA fights you’ve seen recently were legit? I think they were, what say you?

by linx on Jul 28, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I say bet the mortgage on kimbo brother! At least lesner asks for and recieves top competition. difference is elite NEEDS kimbo while ufc lets lesner fight there!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Jul 28, 2008 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i myself don’t want to say any fight is fixed because it tarnishes the reputation of MMA in general, not just EliteXC. I’d also like to think that the fighters, as well as the athletic commissions have safeguards in place so that its impossible for a fix to take place. but on the other hand, i know its naive to think that money isn’t going to sway people or make them look the other way. the kimbo/thompson fight DID look like a fix, as did kimbo’s first fight, because the guy was going down from an elbow to the shoulder. then again maybe the dude was just that intimidated by Kimbo? who knows.

i prefer to reserve judgement at this point until there is more than just speculation and hearsay.

by kitsunex on Jul 28, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Linx: Meu pai e’ do Rio.. mia mae vem de Recife..mais eu nasci em NY.. quando eu to no Brasil..eu passo quasi tudo meu tempo no Rio.. eu ate viver no Rio pra 2 anos.. ai foi quando meu BJJ almento..muito! GracieBarra!

Cabeca Americano..DNA Brasileiro!

by PhilQNY on Jul 29, 2008 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

eu nasci em Recife brow, sou da cidade de sua mãe, vc é 100% brasileiro só precisa melhorar um pouco no português mas ta limpo! :)

by linx on Jul 29, 2008 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Brotha.. falando..eu sou nota 10.. agora escrevendo..teclando tb( keyboard/americano)..e’ uma outra estoria.. Eu so Jijitsu.. 100% Vale Tudo..MMA..corrir no meu sangue..

Brotha.. falando..eu sou nota 10.. agora escrevendo..teclando tb( keyboard/americano)..e’ uma outra estoria.. Eu so Jijitsu.. 100% Vale Tudo..MMA..corrir no meu sangue..Linx: It’s good to know we share the same national pride..same blood..same love for MMA.. same site.. MMAmania.. Maniac’s 4 life!!!

by PhilQNY on Jul 29, 2008 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

thanks Phil, I feel the same way about you!

by linx on Jul 29, 2008 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Will you Phil take Linx to be your lawfully wedded post buddy, to have and to hold and to lick each others balls occasionally LMAO

by Automation on Jul 29, 2008 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

have thje ElitexC fighter salaries ever been made public? I dont recall, does anyone know for sure?

by john on Jul 28, 2008 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Tuf brake…oops I guess that is a poor choice of words. Something had to be up.. I thought maybe he ran out of gas or something.. but now with this..it makes sense.

by PhilQNY on Jul 28, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i think he kinda gassed to. he didnt look as lean as the 1rst fight and breaking your hand doesnt help either. i thought smith may have won the irst rnd, but just standing there in the clinch, waiting for thr ref to stop the fight is a pretty poor excuse. i would like to see lawler fight cung le next. champ vs champ. i like cung in that one.

by b.w. on Jul 28, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

“doesn’t look as lean” why don’t you at least give the broadcasters credit for your thought this time B.W. lol just kidding man, just thought I’d bust your balls a little!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Jul 28, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he looked fatter.

by b.w. on Jul 28, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

there you go!

by kevin doesn't know shit on Jul 28, 2008 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he did. He looked “soft around the edges” as opposed to having a 6 pack in their first fight.

I actually noticed the opposite. Last fight, I noticed that Smith was looking ripped. Then this past weekend I was like “ahh, now Hands of Steel is back to normal”

by ViolentMike on Jul 28, 2008 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was thinking before the fight why is this guy even fighting for a title. but I was impresed with smiths chin he took a handful of lawler shots flush and just shrugged them off and kept coming foward and was the aggreser for the majority of that 1st round.

The hand definately explains his performane in the 2cnd he was a totally different fighter. I look foward to seeing scott in action again

by dia mette on Jul 28, 2008 2:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Maybe they can bring Pete Sell ito EliteXC.. a rematch with Scoot Smith..would be a classic.. even though he may not get the nod by most..Pete Sell vs Robbie Lawler would be slugfest and 1/2.

by PhilQNY on Jul 28, 2008 2:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

we heard the same thing come from vera when he broke his hand against sylvia. if u break get hurt, u gotta make adjustments. u gotta use the other one, use ur kicks more. if anything breaking young hand should make you want to try to finish the fite as early as possible. im sure no fiter thinks that way but no need to lay back and keep taking punishment. doesnt really make sense.

by Bobby O'shea on Jul 28, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Or you could always poke the other guy’s eye and win by TKO.

by Pat on Jul 28, 2008 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No man when you break your hand you want to pull out of the fight. There is no shame in losing a fight to injury. If stops using that hand he’ll have distinct disadvantage and if he keeps using it he risks injuring it beyond repair. Thats why he went crazy with those elbows and played the drums on Lawlers head. The only thing is he should have been throwing those knees on Lawlwer with him being the bigger guy.

by Cogito Ergo Sum on Jul 28, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bobby: Have you ever broken your hand? Its painfull just to move your arm or clinch your fist never mind block a punch or grip. In boxing you can sort of get away with it, but in a MMA fight?? No chance – fight over.

by MoonUK on Jul 28, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs