Tom Atencio: Affliction 'Banned' PPV buys to top 100,000
by MMAmania.com on Jul 22, 2008 11:13 PM EDT
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Quoteworthy:
"I don’t have everything on that yet, but for the people who felt this was going to be a total flop in that regard, I have news for them. It’s already done a lot better than what I’ve heard people speculating. I’m not going to release the (official) number, but it’s already well beyond what people have been saying. Well beyond."
Affliction Vice President Tom Atencio doesn't have any final numbers, however he reveals that the pay-per-view (PPV) buys for "Banned" on July 19 will "definitely" surpass 100,000. That's a figure that may appear to be small at first blush, but it's important to note that no other mixed martial arts promotion besides the UFC has ever exceeded that number (the UFC scored more than 1 million buys with UFC 66 alone). It's a big victory for the upstart promotion, considering that prior to the event most in the know were saying that anything north of 75,000 would be deemed a total success.
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Good i guess. I know compitition is good for the fans, but I want all the best fighters under 1 org.
by JRV on Jul 22, 2008 11:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree. On a side note, 120,000 pay per view buys equals a gross profit of close to 5 million. They made 2 million at the gate. They paid their fighters 2 Million so that washes the gate buys. That leaves the pay per views to fund the rest of the production costs. My guess is when the numbers finalize, they’ll have a wash on their hands. The question is, will more than 120,000 people pay to see Arlovski fight Fedor?
by howie on Jul 22, 2008 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They paid over 3 million to the fighters bro.
by halljam2 on Jul 22, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin: where u at? BURN!!!~ Burn!!! Burn!!! Tom Atencio’s nerdy ass BURNED you!
by john on Jul 23, 2008 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, this is the first thread that I opened beacause I want to see his comments and the person that made that bet with him’s comments.
by ViolentMike on Jul 23, 2008 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same Here! SUPER Burn! Piggyback Burn! and all those other awesome BURNS that come from that 70’s Show!
BURN!!! Burn!!! Burnn! Fuego! Fuocco! Burn baby burn!!!
by john on Jul 23, 2008 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wheres kevin, oh i mean kevin doesn’t no sh*t
by roy on Jul 23, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin has posted on this site already today but I think he is avoiding this thread! Come out come out wherever you are Kev! Time to eat some, how did Serra put it? “Humble Pie” Lol
by john on Jul 23, 2008 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my comments aren’t popping up, and I don’t care. I only stated that fedor isn’t a draw (less than 50,000 in 2 ppv’s), if affliction did good, thats awesome. These aren’t official, it’s some douche bag speculating and making it seem like they did a ton. If they did, they’d release the real #
by kevin on Jul 23, 2008 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
flip flop yesterday your changing your name now your crying
by roy on Jul 23, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
plus all the employees. plus paying to use the stadium. plus buffer who im sure wasnt cheap. plus a lot of the advertising and other things. im sure they didnt even break even…. nice start though
by GasManShad on Jul 23, 2008 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
losing a couple million and breaking even is nothing when you have billionaires backing the promotion like Donald Trump. A million dollars is chump change to some of them. It will take time to develop a quality product, but you have to start somewhere. Dana and Ferritas lost money in the beginning as well. The difference is the UFC was already a brand name/identity, alot easier to get people to buy into. Will Affliction be done with 3 shows, I doubt it. You can’t put all your cards on the table, especially when your playing against someone like Dana W.
by it.dont.stop on Jul 23, 2008 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don’t know the extent of Trump’s involvement. He has in the past rented out his name on products he is only loosely affiliated with.
For all we know, Affliction might be paying him to be involved in public relations.
by mmamaniaReader on Jul 23, 2008 2:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point, reader. The difference b/w the Fertitas/Dana losing money and Trump losing money is that the Fertitas/Dana love what they do. If that was Trump in that position, he would’ve left the UFC for dead.
by Pat on Jul 23, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to hip on how ppv’s work huh, the cable companies get 6-%, so they wold take around 2 million. They openly said they needed 250 000 buys to break even. And there pay to fighters was grossly exhaggerated considering it’s been reported for months that fedor received 2 million. Gate + ppv doesn’t cover main event + buffer!
by kevin on Jul 23, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
keep hating hater, just change your name because you know they beat 25,000 buys, and like i said they will be close to breaking even not bad for a first event.
by roy on Jul 23, 2008 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they needed 250,000 to break even. they bought 25% of the gate themselves…get a clue roy
by kevin on Jul 23, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin ,tito said that cable companies get’s 20 % (ok this is in ufc with spike ) but it should be around there
here is where he said how much ufc erans and how much he earn’t trough the 11 years
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b_J1zuwq7c
i thaught the fights where good but i like ufc ‘s thing better ,i dont like rings, i like cages more and so on
(and i think dana is an ***hole, so im not a ufc fanboy ,but i think they have better ,i sont know really the word but better presents ,better camre shot or so i don’t really know but i like ufc better)
hope randy and fedor meet’s soon
(my favorite fighter is ofc tito, i like when a person speaks his mind and don’t take shit , and you got to love his shirts he puts on after the fights :) )
//crisun
by crisun on Jul 23, 2008 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I get a kick out of you guys. the owner of affliction speculates, but won’t release #‘s, and you believe it. It’s like when Randy said how grossly under paid he was…then UFC released the canceled checks…burn that!
by kevin on Jul 23, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like you beleave all the bs stats you keep bringing up hyocrit your weak.
by roy on Jul 23, 2008 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that 1 org is the UFC then not all the fighters want to bend over and touch their toes for the UFC or want to have their balls put in a vice. And title shots now in the UFC are a bit of a joke, some fighters have to work twice as hard and then some to get one. If it wasn’t for this Affliction event, how else could we have seen these matches, because these fighter were either not happy with the UFC or the UFC were not happy with them also if Dana has a dislike in the case of Barnett and Lndland (even though he was a bit crap this time) for example the fans would be screwed. In theory it would be nice, but it would be easy for them to abuse their power. Maybe with the right people in charge, but that aint going to happen.
by Ade on Jul 23, 2008 8:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Affliction getting that many PPV buys is GREAT for us!!!
by ViolentMike on Jul 23, 2008 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear that Affliction 2 will be November 9th in Atlantic City New Jersey!
ViolentMike and PhilQny: Hope to see you guys there…we always talk about doing it but blame it on the UFC because they never give us shows in the tri state area and when they do they water them down and feed us Bisping/Evans….NO MOre Excuses BOYS!!! Affliction has already announced that Fedor, Barnett, Arlovski, Buentello, and they Hope Aleks will be cleared to fight for their 2nd show as well. Fedor, Barnett, Arlovski, and Aleks all signed 3 fight deals with the organization.
In addition, Affliction is hoping that Fedor vs. Couture will take place in the main event! r u kidding me? We have a chance at seeing Fedor vs. Couture live in A.C!!! This is the opportunity of a life time, and I will be really pissed if we dont organize a trip to see it!
Mania, you should have a group trip or something….It could be HIstrory in the making!
by john on Jul 23, 2008 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Fedor/Randy is in Atlantic City, I will be there in a heartbeat!!!!!!!
We should buy our tickets together so that we sit together. Because, sine its in Atlantic City, that means that I’d most likely have to bring the wife along. Unless just my brother and I went and didn’t stay overnight and took turns driving home…
All I know is that I will figure out a way to make it happen!!!!!
Why couldn’t they just make it easier for me and have it at Mohegan Sun or anywhere else in NJ. Atantic City is so far south. Neward and the Meadowlands are a little over an hour away from me. Atalantic City is 4.5 hours away…
by ViolentMike on Jul 23, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will definitely get our tickets together. I talked to Phil about it yesterday and he is in also!
I am willing to go as long as Fedor faces either Couture/Arlovski or Barnett!
Could u imaginge:
Couture vs. Fedor
Barnett vs. Arlovski
and us High as a kite in the stands? If you have to, bring the wifey, from what I hear you have turned her into a fan as well!
by john on Jul 23, 2008 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The brother might have to come as well, especially if IS against Arlovski
by ViolentMike on Jul 23, 2008 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“I know compitition is good for the fans, but I want all the best fighters under 1 org.”
That doesn’t make sense. Aren’t you a fan? Don’t you want what’s best for YOU?
I think the best solution would be competing promotions with fighters who could fight across promotions. There would be ONE, non-profit, sanctioning organization who’s titles and champions would be universally considered at the highest level.
As it is, having everyone locked into the UFC is not necessarily good for the fans because we can only get what they decide is the best.
by ald420 on Jul 23, 2008 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listen, forget about your pipe dreams about having all the best fighters in the world under one roof, thats NEVER going to happen! So get realistic and root Affliction on, because as a company, they seem to understand what the Die hard fans want to see, and so far they have delivered! Of Course, there is still much room for improvement but they are a company thats learning on the fly, and from show to show, I expect to see them correcting their mistakes and constantly refining their product! Since, there will never be all the fighters fighting under one roof, you should seriously start supporting Affliction and DREAM because those are 2 organizations that truly seem to “GET IT”. Many company’s have tried and failed, but none have done it as good as DREAM and Affliction, so if you call yourself a fan, time to let the pipe dream go and start supporting Affliction and DREAM!!!!!
by john on Jul 23, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with some of your points ald, but this puts pressure on the UFC. They can’t afford to put on average cards anymore. This is great for the fans because they will see the best fighters fighting. Affliction is working across promotions. Those that play will survive the others that want to lock themselves behind their own walls will have a hard time. This can become an Apple vs PC situation which was the best thing that ever happened for Technology. Forces innovation. So I agree with you that competition is a must for improvement and innovation – Monopolies are rarely a good thing.
by Nihendo on Jul 23, 2008 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to see the best fighters and the best fights. As fans of the sport, I think everyone here would agree with that.
The questions are 1) how do we know who the best fighters are, and 2) how do we get the best fighters together to fight?
Having fighters locked into exclusive fight organizations does not solve either of these questions.
Boxing has its flaws, but the system of international sanctioning organizations (WBA, WBC, WBO, etc) vs. promoters (Gary Shaw, Don King, De La Hoya, etc…) has a lot of merit. The sanctioning bodies set the standard rules, weight classes, and ratings for the fighters. The promoters set matchups based loosely on the sanctions’ fighter ratings. The fans want to see those matchups because they (somewhat) trust the sanctions’ ratings. So, we the fans 1) know the best fighters because the sanctions tell us, and 2) we get to see the best fighters because we tell the promotions that’s what we want to see.
In the MMA world, the UFC is trying to be both the sanctioning organization AND the promoter. UFC champions can’t hold any other titles, and they are locked into long term contracts. Fans 1) don’t know who the best fighters are b/c only fighters under UFC contracts can hold UFC titles, and 2) fans can’t demand the best matchups because fighters aren’t free to move around to fight for different promoters.
Some of the current system has come about because of necessity, of course, for a sport still in its infancy. However, I’m all for competition. And, I think the idea of the WAMMA is a good one. Especially, if the WAMMA is going to stay independent of the promoters: Afficiction, M1, UFC, etc.
Anyway, thanks for tolerating my long post…
by ald420 on Jul 23, 2008 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can he know that the buys surpassed 100 000? It’s impossible to know.
by Muscle Dolphin on Jul 22, 2008 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“How can he know that the buys surpassed 100 000? It’s impossible to know.”
Its called accounting. What would make you think that it would be impossible to know?
by Kirky on Jul 22, 2008 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually it takes some time for all the ppv counts to come in. I heard once before that it takes several weeks.
Given that Atencio is a spokes person, and that high level of spin (read lies) that spokes people (see Dana White) make, I don’t think we’ll anything until after the final counts come in.
No matter what the number, spokes people from Affliction and spokes people from UFC will draw two entirely different conclusions, and both will most likely by lying.
by mmamaniaReader on Jul 23, 2008 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. Like when both Atencio and Trump told us that “Banned” was a sellout. I’m waiting for the final tally.
And please people, stop the barking about Dana “totally regretting” not signing Fedor. I’m sure he’d love to have him and may eventually sign him to some kind of contract but, per previous posts, $300,000 is not Fedor’s actual take (there was clearly a huge signing bonus)and by all appearances M1 has a co-promotion (or even some sort of ownership) deal with Affliction. Which would been a deal breaker for the UFC, and rightfully so.
by Canucklehead on Jul 23, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Off topic question: what is a Canucklehead? I used to see that phrase in Wolverine comic books and only know it has something to do with Canada. I’m not even sure what a Canuck is. lol
by chefdaddy on Jul 23, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Canuck is just another way of saying a Canadian (we are often interested in letting people know as soon as possible that we’re not Americans – no offence, I love you Yanks, I just don’t want to be mistaken for one).
And, although personally I’m wicked smart, the Urban Dictionary defines a Canucklehead as “a Canadian of limited intelligence”, so there you go. Basically its a mash of Canuck and Knucklehead.
AND for the comic nerds out there, Wikipedia lists “The Ol’ Canucklehead” as one of Wolverine’s “notable aliases”, so that’s kinda cool.
Anyway, back to MMA…
by Canucklehead on Jul 23, 2008 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great comment dolphin, I also read on cagepotato that 500,000 of the 2.1 million dollar gate were tickets purchased by affliction. So basically they purchased 25% of their own ticket costs. thats great business sense!
by kevin on Jul 23, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana white is an idoit. He could have had the michael jordan of the sport but he let him go. I don’t care what anyone says you know he has to be regretting his descion know.
by dana's cheap on Jul 22, 2008 11:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
especially considering fedor only got 300000 for his fight. ufc could have matched that easy. imagine a hw division w fedor barnett arlovski aleks along with the hws already here. coulda shoulda
by GasManShad on Jul 22, 2008 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
could shoulda is right. Dana thought the the UFC brand is more important than any fighter. He is right except in the case of fedor. No organization will ever be more important than the best heavyweight in the world. Not even dana can denie that fedor is the best heavyweight now. He beat dana’s current champ twice and beat his previous champ in 36 sec.
by fred on Jul 22, 2008 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What are you DANA WHITE HATERS GONNA DO WHEN RANDY FIGHTS FEDOR IN UFC??? Ya gonna jump right back on danas nuts. People seemed to have forgotten what dana and the fortittas did for MMA ya ungratefull haters.
Randy said recently ( 2 days ago) That the fight could happen in the UFC.
by MdotCdot on Jul 23, 2008 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would watch that fight anywhere. Randy and Fedor want to fight. Let them fight..what is the issue? Dana has built this sport in the U.S. like no one else could of.. but as we move forward, stuff that Zuffa does with him in the fore front is some dumb shit.. like the counter programming..they do not need to do that.. why not replay a PPV or a have fight night that is during a time in which there is no MMA on TV..IMO.
by PhilQNY on Jul 23, 2008 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Randy n Fedor should just go fight each other in Japan, on New years Eve!
F the USA and its ignoraqnt fans anyway!
by john on Jul 23, 2008 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I doubt that the US courts have any jurisdiction over what happens in Japan, so Randy should say F Dana, F the UFC go fight in DREAM wiothout even waiting for the courts decision.
by john on Jul 23, 2008 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Point. Not your jurisdiction. Not your problem Randy vs Fedor New year’s Eve 2008?
by PhilQNY on Jul 23, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was just the base pay. We don’t know what his total compensation was. I guarantee you it was alot more than $300K.
by mmamaniaReader on Jul 23, 2008 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EVerything I was hearing before the event was that Timmy is getting $800K plus $200k more to win, and Fedor was getting between $1.5 – $2 million. They must be hiding that money under some rug that know resides in Fedor’s living room.
by ViolentMike on Jul 23, 2008 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody actually believes that Fedor got 300K for that fight, come on now. His management didnt accept a contract that pays him the same amount as Matt Lindland and makes him fourth highest paid HW on the card.
Most estimates i’ve seen put his total pay around 1.5 Million.
Those are BASE salaries. The UFC does the same thing. Remember how Chucks 500K a fight suddenly turned into 1 million plus when the UFC opened the books following the Randy fiasco.
Fedor is rumored to have a promotional contract with Affliction as well as a fight contract. There are many different ways he could have been paid.
by Jason on Jul 23, 2008 2:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IT WAS NEVER, NEVER, NEVER ABOUT MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Pay attention people! Some of you guys please do the research on this. Money was never the issue with Fedor. There were a bunch of issues both sides considered ridiculous. I’d list them, but I just did that two days ago. Fedor couldn’t care less about joining or not joining any particular organization, he has a cult-like following all over the world.
by chefdaddy on Jul 23, 2008 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of those reason is that his Manager wanted Dana to CO-PROMOTE fights in Russia with him, LOL. F THE RUSSIANS!
by Fokman on Jul 23, 2008 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you look at the desires of both sides, neither one was reasonable for the other.
by chefdaddy on Jul 23, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again with the only $300,000 to Fedor? Come on, did’nt enough guys pounce on that notion yesterday.
by Jrandolph on Jul 23, 2008 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
100,000 still sounds like scraps. Even with the reasoning, still sounds lame.
by tripleainto on Jul 22, 2008 11:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I watched the PPV, and yes they had a few glithes, but I want them to succeed and have more cards, because if no one ever tried to build cars and let Henry Ford monopolize the market, we would be driving crappy cars with no choices.
by bigmcmac on Jul 22, 2008 11:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly. I LOVE competition in MMA. Any fan of MMA should as well. Especially since Dana has ‘personal’ problems with a good number of elite fighters, or he just can’t sign some of them because they refuse his contract demands (exclusiveness and what not), or the fact that he tries to underpay many of his fighters. If it wasn’t for competition, we wouldn’t get to see these great fighters fight. This list of fighters include:
Josh Barnett
Matt Lindland
Frank Shamrock
Andrei Arlovski
Randy Couture
Tito Ortiz
Fedor
NONE of those above fighters got cut or let go for reasons based on performance. And I know that there are many more that are on that list, but its early , and I don’t have too much time right this second…
Also, by the looks of it, those are some TOP fighters there.
by ViolentMike on Jul 23, 2008 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry but Tito is no longer in the UFC because he sucks. I dont consider winning against Ken “over the hill” Shamrock as being an “elite fighter”.
by Fokman on Jul 23, 2008 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see your point, except maybe for Tito. I was and am a big Tito fan, but he was starting to look worn. I’d love to see him back to true form, but man, after that Machida fight, I don’t know.
by Jrandolph on Jul 23, 2008 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh believe me, I’m a Tito hater and wouldn’t put him anywhere in the top 5. But his drawing power is enough to still have him in the UFC if it wasn’t for his feud with Dana.
Tito does have a win over the current UFC champion.
PS- I hate Tito.
by ViolentMike on Jul 23, 2008 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where is KEVIN??? The guy was betting that it won’t surpass 25,000 buys on PPV
by zheka on Jul 23, 2008 12:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ZHEKA!!!!! YOu must have been in your glory this past weekend, or rather, I bet you still are.
Congrats!
I’m surprised that I haven’t seen you around much more leading up to the fight.
by ViolentMike on Jul 23, 2008 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin needs to stop hating on Affliction! They are way ahead of the curve. Also DREAM 5 this past weekend, recieved its highest TV ratings of any of there events, which means the company ios continuing to grow and Attract fans! Pride is making a comeback folks….DREAM come tru!
by john on Jul 23, 2008 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly so far i think dream might be the best promotion out there outside of the ufc and they are not that far from there level as far as the show they put on.
by roy on Jul 23, 2008 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
roy, u r dead right! DREAM is doing the right thing and by the time DREAM 15 comes around, it will be identical to what PRIDE was!
by john on Jul 23, 2008 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE Dream. I just wish that they would switch the day it was on. Instead of 2am Sunday night, if it was 2 am Saturday night I’d be watching it live as opposed to DVR’ing it and staying away from the internet for a day, and actually working for close to 8 hours.
by ViolentMike on Jul 23, 2008 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, if it were on late night Saturday it would be so much better cause I would watch it live also. Hopefully eventually it changes.
by john on Jul 23, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not to bad for me i live on the west coast so some of the shows have started between 12:00 and 1:00 but i agree its gotta be on saturday.so far they have been as good as any ufc falling short to only the ufc very best cards.
by roy on Jul 23, 2008 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Mike! Yeah, it was great weekend :) but I knew Fedor was going to win. Well, I am a proud Fedor’s fan since 2004!!!!!
by zheka on Jul 23, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I watched it with a few freinds and family and were all hardcore mma fans . I would rate Afliciton 6/10 . It was alright .some of my friends were thought it sucked . Fedor fight was good .. the rest of the card was so-so. It was Like a Yamma Show.
Megadeath was a bad idea.. I know alot of people that were pissed they had to sit through some heavy metal show. Not Everyone likes that garbage. If i want to see a concert I will go and watch one.
Honestly Aflictions clothes or Ugly as hell. Bad Designs And Very Over priced. Its made for wannabe pretty boys who cant fight.
by MdotCdot on Jul 23, 2008 12:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Its made for wannabe pretty boys who cant fight”- as you
by zheka on Jul 23, 2008 12:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so im guessing you wear afliction. Ask anyone afliction is wack and im far from a wannabe pal.
by MdotCdot on Jul 23, 2008 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been buying Affliction before it got to MMA. And my guess you just can’t afford it
by zheka on Jul 23, 2008 4:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would never spend $60 on a TSHIRT. For $60 it better be a hoodie or a dress shirt. Only suckers that want to “appear” tough buy Affliction shirts.
Or people that are BIG TIME fans of a particular fighter and want to buy their specific Affliction shirt. That is ok, but thier shirts are way overpriced. Yesterday someone posted a link to thier webstore and they are selling a silver/pewter ring that has a skulls wrapped around it. They sell it for $240. LOLOLOLOL.
by ViolentMike on Jul 23, 2008 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I am not too big on their clothes either! Maybe I will start collecting certain fighter’s shirts or something like that5, but I cant see myself wearing to much Affliction. I am a pretty Diesel dude, and if I were to wear one of those shirts, I would look like your typical meathead trying to look tough, and I am so not into that!
Like you said Mike, I prefer a nice dress shirt anyday!
$250 for a skull ring? DF that, give me sum Prada kicks instead!
by john on Jul 23, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL. I’m skinny and scrappy and if I wore that shirt, I’d have like 10 people punching me in my face for no other reason than my shirt. LOLOLOLOLOL
by ViolentMike on Jul 23, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LMao! Either way, the shirts just dont work!
by john on Jul 23, 2008 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what’s so great about a $60 Affliction shirt? it doesn’t make you special, i’d rather order a PPV and a case of beer with 60 bucks. a shirt is just a shirt.
by Ro on Jul 23, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
affliction was good but i didnt like that HM display! its suppost to be fighting you know 100% pure fighting action start to finish not some bullcrap concert in the middle of it, i was pee’d off that the fighting was interupted!!
by ufcaddict on Jul 23, 2008 7:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree! Get rid of the dumb concert because its not needed! Any card that features Fedor, Arlovski and Barnett dont need all the extra gimicks. Fedor speaks for himself!
by john on Jul 23, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What happened to Fedor’s Fight music??
by PhilQNY on Jul 23, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the thing that the affliction people forgot where the INTERNET!!!! ( ppv on the web, like ufc have with yahoo sport)
more people could see the fights…
lives in sweden .
by Ahmet on Jul 23, 2008 2:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You guys forget, they cut a deal w Fox Sports in the US and Some Canadian network. That’s broadcast $$$ baby! I’m sure FSN can be competitive to what Spike is paying the UFC.
And they’ve got predictable clothing line $$$ coming in to offset their loss(if there is one)
Dana should be worried. It was a legit show.
by Ground-Game on Jul 23, 2008 2:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i see the end of the UFC.. a first ppv at over a 100T buys… and that the ufc gave a free telecast of theyre product at the same time and affliction still got those numbers.pretty impressive!!!congratulations affliction.and with those 100t viewers who saw fedor the best heavyweight dominate..they would certainly buy the next affliction ppv and theyre friends who missed out would buy as well because of the good fights that were presented!!! bye bye dana. YOU WONT BE MISSED
by kimo on Jul 23, 2008 6:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Little too soon to be celebrating… pretty soon Affliction just might be owned by Zuffa. Who knows but I could see this going the same way pride did.
by O damn he got caught on Jul 23, 2008 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is an interesting thought. But unfortunately Dana would cut all of the fighters on the Affliction roster whom he has a problem with, and he would NOT honor anything close to their contracts. It would get ugly
I am really rooting for Affliction to do well. What they need to focus on right now is signing more talent in LHW, and WW. They should REALLY focus on getting more talent in MW, LW, FW, and BW. I say that because the UFC already has the majority of the to talent at LHW and welterwieght + Condit(WEC,Zuffa). The UFC only has a handful of TOp 10 LW’s and if Affliction can somehow to what the UFC couldn’t and convince them to leave Japan and fight over here, Affliction will be a real force to be reckoned with.
by ViolentMike on Jul 23, 2008 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hello? do you not understand the whole concept of competition breeding better products. What could we as fans possibly gain if the UFC went under? Affliction succes will result in a better UFC, which = better MMA. Dude, this is not rocket science.
by Jrandolph on Jul 23, 2008 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UFC will not be going anywhere. I have talked to a lot of people who just watch MMA from time to time and they all thought the show sucked and they wouldn’t buy it again. Most casual fans look at the Fedor fight as him beating a UFC reject really quick which in their eyes is not to impressive. And did you see the ratings from the UFC on saturday night? They beat every sports event of the weekend by far. UFC is just getting stronger and stronger (and im not saying thats a good things for fans)
by BigDaddyDahl on Jul 23, 2008 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it is only around 100,000 I personally think thats poor and a bit worrying about MMA outside of the UFC. I also think that comparing what the UFC lost in the beginning compared to Affliction is wrong as well. MMA is big business now compared to when Zuffa bought the UFC so I would expect Affliction, with the fighters they had on show, to have really been up towards the 500,000 to 1 million PPVs. I will be honest I am shocked by the low number especially with Fedor fighting, I would expect that sort of number for EliteXC.
I think it just shows that it is the organisation that people follow not the fighters. I read somewhere that the last PPVs with Fedor in were also rubbish, so to me he isn’t still that big a draw.
I am just worried now that we are going to oversaturate the MMA market and people will start turning off. I can’t see them topping this number unless it is Randy fighting Fedor, and that is a bad sign. We all know EliteXC have 3rd class and even 4th class fighters after watching Kimbo’s fight but I have a feeling that they will out last Affliction. Just think of the marketing cost that went with the Affliction show.
I don’t know maybe I am being a little cynical!!
by Nuts on Jul 23, 2008 6:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ufc 66 was a beast event…. some really good fights were on that card and it was exciting… i have never really so anything better than 66 for quite a bit
by ufcaddict on Jul 23, 2008 7:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess they knew going in this would be a total loss? If 100,000 ppv buys surpassed expectations at $40 a pop and they were only 700ish seats short of a sellout at the gates (based on your numbers yesterday), both those numbers combined don’t even come close to covering just the fighter fees.
by Snafzg on Jul 23, 2008 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it’s only their first time, UFC went through same situation back then when they getting started and nearly went out of bussiness and the Fertitta bros came and purchased UFC and retained it vigor. it takes 10 years for UFC to evolve to full potential. it could take 5 or more years for Affliction to grow to full potential if they still hang on. it’s very likely that Affliction will have financial problems which could put their bussiness in jeopardy.
by Ro on Jul 23, 2008 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
seems like Dana’s tactics really work for robbing those viewers. good job Dana.
by Ro on Jul 23, 2008 9:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i don’t like Dana either, i’m just sayin good job cuz his tactics worked.
by Ro on Jul 23, 2008 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm… last I checked UFC fight night won every MALE demographic even outdoing MLB. SEEMS it was the RIGHT MOVE.
by Fokman on Jul 23, 2008 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana’ sole responsibility as a business man is to protect the UFC brand. That’s it. Nothing else. All other good things stem from that whether it’s great matchups, great productions, etc.
by chefdaddy on Jul 23, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does affliction have anything besides heavyweights, no, ok then it might be a bit early to say the ufc is going under.
by tc on Jul 23, 2008 9:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Affliction first card surpassed all the other organizations….
if ure gonna go into business ure going to have some financial risk…
i hope the next card will do well
fedor > anderson silva
fedor is the best p4p fighter, no arguments there
by mr.rice-a-roni on Jul 23, 2008 10:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Affliction used their entire roster for that card. That’s not sustainable. The UFC puts out a card at least once a month. If UFC were to do a super show, they would kill it. Tell me this wouldn’t sell like hot cakes:
Nog vs. Lesnar (he doesn’t deserve it, but would be a huge draw)
Forrest vs. Chuck
Rampage vs. Shogun
Rich vs. Wanderlei
Anderson vs. Bisping (may not deserve it, but again, would draw fans)
Hughes vs. Serra
GSP vs. Diego
BJ vs. Florian/Huerta winner
Sherk vs. Florian/Huerta loser
The UFC can be beat, but you need near flawless business execution for that to happen.
by Pat on Jul 23, 2008 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, does anybody know if that number is worldwide buys or just U.S.?
by Pat on Jul 23, 2008 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I too would like to see all good fighters under one banner—Affliction. They pay their fighters better and when their production improves it will be a great show.
by dave on Jul 23, 2008 5:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
YOUR PEOPLE’S NEGATIVE COMMENTS TOWARDS AFFLICTION AND MY UNCLE TOM ATENCIO DONT MEAN ANYTHING. IM HIS NEICE AND HE IS MORE ACCOMPLISHED THAN ANY OF YOU WILL BE. YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS THAT THEY ARE DOING SO WELL. JUST GET A LIFE.
by Tom Atencio's real neice JESSICA on Aug 3, 2008 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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