Great fight! No idea who will win that one. I want to say Garcia, but Jens looked very tough fighting Urijah at 145 lbs. This is a tough one to call. who ever has the betetr chin is winning this fight. THis will be “an old fashion Slobberknocker!”

as long as you don’t write your own article and post it up like your a writer here.

I’ll take Jens. Garcia is good, but I think Jens will school him like he did to Swanson. And for the record, I don’t give a shit about jacking threads.

I dont do that!

lol he said jacking

I think that information comes out a week after the event (from what I remember of past UFC’s, not sure though). I also want to know how much they were able to sell.

I think that would be an interesting piece of information for Mania to mention after every PPV event, UFC or Affliction. I guess I could try to find it myself, but Mania is like my 1 stop shop for all MMA.

I agree, but rope men look kind of Bush League too. Maybe they can make some kind of square cage if they want corners. Personally, I think a simple round cage would be best.

Just because I do not agree that BJ is not #1 P4P, that means I don’t know what P4P means? LOL

Opinion = #1 P4P fighter in the world
FACT = Who the top 4 Pound for pound fighters are:
Fedor / GSP / Silva / BJ (In no order)

You did it again. You genuinely don’t understand the meaning of pound for pound. Read Pat’s comment, it’s right there. You silly little boy.

You don’t understand the meaning of P4P when a fighter loses a fight he loses ranking on a P4P list. Penn has lost 2 fights our of his last 5. Silva and Fedor have not. Fedor has not lost any fights or any rounds Silva has. Looks like Fedor is number one, Silva is number 2, and Penn is number 3. If they all were the same perspective weight how would that work huh? That makes little to no sense at all and I don’t think you understand this.

No, you don’t understand. P4P means that, if they were both at thier optimum but the same size, who would be better (a hypothetic debate only). As in SKILL PER POUND OF WEIGHT.

Me saying that I think BJ is better P4P is simply speculative, and of course I could be wrong. But debating the definition if P4P is moronic, just look it up!

There is no “P4P list”, and to base it on number of recent fight losses is nonsensical, it ignores the caliber of the opponent. It would put Kimbo above GSP.

No, you don’t understand. P4P means that, if they were both at thier optimum but the same size, who would be better (a hypothetic debate only). As in SKILL PER POUND OF WEIGHT.

Me saying that I think BJ is better P4P is simply speculative, and of course I could be wrong. But debating the definition if P4P is a waste of time, just look it up!

There is no “P4P list”, and to base it on number of recent fight losses is nonsensical, it ignores the caliber of the opponent. It would put Kimbo above GSP.

argueing about that is stupid! bj has the best bjj and good boxing and good wrestling! you can hit him with anything and he seems to take it and will find your weakness! bj has losses to gsp and machida who both well outweigh him! he only lost to hughes when injured and then his loss tojens was an early career fight!
while anderson silva has a huge hole is his game (being the wrestling) his is great ground game and elite striking that ensures that he will find a way to win against any oponent his weight no matter what!
gsp has the the most tools to use but his striking isnt anything near that of silva so he comes across less brutal!
and
fedor who has a wide skill set and a strange attitude like its all a stroll in a park! no matter what you throw at him he wins!
in my opinion walking around anderson silva is about 210 lbs gsp is roughly 200. bjis about 170 while fedor is about 230. yes at 185 silva is brutal but you must remember he is really about 210 before cutting!

for me fedor is the best p4p only he takes on people who are 50lbs bigger and whupps their ass

Andy… who are you? callng me little boy, and trying to make people understand what YOUR P4P meaning is? Listen, go take some prozzak and chill out… Not everyone agrees that BJ is P4P the best in the world.. or is that a FACT?! Id it that time of the month for you?

See I tried to explain what I meant but it was moderated for some reason. You can’t put them at the same weight class because that is ignoring what those weight classes signify. You know that HW’s posses KO power but are slow with usually less technical ground game. Its different than fighting at LW where everything is very fast pace and the ground game needs to be technically sound. If you imagined them at the same size you would be cutting out Fedor’s power but keeping Penn’s technique which completely messing up the comparrison. You compare wins and losses with the caliber of opponent included of course but thats just the point I’m trying to make. P4P is more based on how dominant a fighter is for his natural weight. When a fighter like Penn or Silva can move up in class and take fighters at a heavier weight class it adds to their P4P ranking because they show their will to dominate people at higher weight classes. Get a BJ Penn at HW and he would not be nearly as fast, flexible or powerful at that weight, its plainly not possible. Move Fedor down to LW and he is not going to be able to beat everyone with an Armbar. P4P is based on their natural weight, their records, and just plainly opinion of their dominance. Any of the top 3 guys could be switched around but based on his record Fedor is number one, based on caliber of opponents Penn is probably number one, and based on sheer skill Silva would be number one with Penn close behind him

Andy is the only one who has nicely laid out what P4P means. Agree with everything Andy.

SMokes you just dont quite understand it yet. That is why it is hypothetical. I see what your sayin, but Andy is right. What you would do is take Fedor’s KO power relative to his opponents, and pit it against BJ’s technique relative to his opponents, you get it? It is very hypothetical, which is why there will never be an absolute answer on who is best P4P, however, there IS a set definition as to what P4P means, and Andy has it right.

Wow…That was the most intelligent argument ever. :)

Hey Darth_ Fedor, if you don’t agree that BJ is #1 P4P, then you understand P4P better than a lot of guys that even mention BJ ahead of Fedor GSP or Silva.

Yeah, GSP definitely needs a few more good solid wins to be anywhere near Penn. I mean Penn is way out ahead of him ,with winning THREE out of his last SIX fights GSP will be lucky to ever catch BJ. GSP hasn’t proven much , except that he BEAT EVERYONE he’s fought, most in utter domination. GSP needs to avenge ALL his losses like BJ has, you know, like against Hughes. Oh yeah, that’s right, BJ didn’t avenge his loss, Hughes avenged his loss against Penn. OK, GSP has to at least avenge his loss to BJ, oops there I go again, that’s BJ that LOST to GSP. I seem to be getting things backwards. I think you threw me off when you said, GSP is below BJ. You’re right though, if GSP can get a few more good wins,he will better his 89% win record vs Penns 72%. If that doesn’t do, I’m sure he’ll at least be tied with BJ when he beats him AGAIN. This of couse isn’t taking into account BJ’s hypothetical superior skill or his losses that don’t count, because he got injured or gassed. GSP could never hold a candle to that.

+10000

250 as of the Kongo fight I think, we’ll have to see what he weighs in at for this fight. He looks bigger to me/more cut and in shape. Heath lookin beastly.

actually lesnar is around 300lbs so nearly a 50lb difference

I highly doubt that he weighs 35 lbs. heavier the day after the weigh in.

Well BJ fought Machida at an open weight (Machida came at > 205 lbs. I believe) and BJ wasn’t tentative at all. Don’t doubt BJ’s craziness lol. That should be on the blurbs they display on TV when he’s introduced:

BJ Penn
Hilo, HI

- Excellent BJJ and flexibility
- Heavy hands
- Crazy mofo

I think he might man, Machida came in at 220 and had a huge reach advantage when BJ fought him. Keep in mind that BJ is crazy.

I would like to see it but I think BJ may have to hire a search party to look for his teeth if he does. One of the reason’s I like this guy is he is slightly unstable.

What? He fought Hendo twice and also fout guys like Marquart, Irvin, Leben and Lutter. Fedor fights guys two wieght classes below him, freaks, guys past there prime and guys with litlle expierience. The last three years of Fedor’s career have been the biggest waste of talent I have ever seen in mma.

no he fought hendo once and everyone else you named is not a top 10 ranked fighter, and fedor fought the best there is just not in the last two yrs but thats going to change hopefully this yr.

It is tough to distinguish between the two because they are head and shoulders above everyone else in their division. They both destroy all the competitors in there division. Silva can go up in weight and probably destroy everyone in 205, b ut that doesn’t necessarily make him #1, because moving up is not an option for Fedor. A Silva could go up to hw and fight Fedor, if he wins (not likely), he would definitely be #1. If Fedor wins, there’s always the “he’s way Bigger” and is supposed to win. Its a neverending arguement. They are currently the two best fighters in mma.

i agree james

and the 1st round to dan henderson

Depends on the judge lol. Same judges for the Forrest/Page fight, maybe not. I would agree if I were scoring it 100%.