Juanito Ibarra hasn't filed a formal protest on UFC 86 judging ... yet
by Mike Trask on Jul 9, 2008 3:03 PM EDT
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In the wake of the UFC 86: "Jackson vs. Griffin" main event, Juanito Ibarra -- the manager and trainer for Quinton "Rampage" Jackson -- has been saying he plans to protest the unanimous decision his fighter dropped against new 205-pound champion, Forrest Griffin.
Following the fight, Ibarra told anyone who would listen that to become champion "you have to beat the champion." He clearly feels "Rampage" was robbed of a win ... and his championship belt.
Challenger Forrest Griffin won the fight 48-46 on two judges cards and 49-46 on the third.
Keith Kizer, executive director of the Nevada State Athletic Commission, said Tuesday that no formal protest has been filed and that he does not expect one from Ibarra.
Kizer said, however, Ibarra did contact with complaints about the first round scoring. In that round Jackson landed some nice uppercuts, including one that seemed to hurt Griffin.
But, Kizer pointed out, giving the round to Jackson would only mean Griffin would take a majority decision and still be the new UFC light heavyweight champion -- perhaps that's the reason no formal protest has been filed at this time.
Changing the first round would mean the following:
Adalaide Byrd scored the fight 48-46 and gave the first to Griffin. Her decision would become a 47-47 draw.
Roy Hilbert scored the fight 49-46 and also gave the first to Griffin. His
decision would become 48-47, still for Griffin.Nelson Hamilton scored the fight 48-46. But he awarded the first round to
Jackson. His score would remain 48-46 for Griffin.
Interestingly, many of those on press row had the bout scored a draw giving Jackson rounds one, three and four, while believing Griffin took a 10-8 round in two and won the fifth.
The result is apparently all in the eye of the beholder.
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I had it a draw and was very suprised by the scoring…. but if you leave it to the judges you can not have any arguments.
by MoonUK on Jul 9, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
Have a look at the fight stats…
http://www.fightmetric.com/fights/Griffin-Rampage.html
They have a draw (10 point system) or a Rampage win by their fightmetric system.
by MoonUK on Jul 9, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
MoonUK that fightmetric is cool, but it doesnt make sense. It has Forrest winning over punches, kicks and sub attempts. So give round 1 to Rampage for dropping Forrest & round 4 thats it. Forrest took round 2 with a 10-8 and rounds 3 & 5 So how is it a draw?
by JV on Jul 9, 2008 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
They gave round 3 to Page. Overall Forrest landed more punches and kicks but almost 50% were in round 2, hence the 10-8.
The decision is the decision and i’m not trying to argue anything else…but people have been saying the 10 must system does not work, this is another angle.
Its also interesting to see that page was almost as dominant (stats wise) in round 4 as forrest was in round 2. But nobody even considers that round 4 was a 10-8 (including me!!)
by MoonUK on Jul 9, 2008 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions
The problem with Fightmetric.com is that you can’t put aggression and octagon control on a chart. It’s a cool site, and I’m not questioning it’s accuracy. However, it does not incorporate all the elements used in judging MMA. IMO, if you add in those two elements, you have to give Forrest the win.
Ibarra hobbled himself by giving Forrest rounds 2 & 5 and admitting round 2 was 10-8. Once he did that, the fight was draw at best. The only way Rampage could win with that scenario was a 10-8 round for Rampage. Round 1 just wasn’t dominant enough for 10-8, although Rampage clearly won. Round 4 probably would have been without the traingle choke, defense manuever to prevent a hard slam, and stand up by Griffin.
It’s stange, but I think more fans would be happy about the outcome if it had ended in a draw than a win for either fighter.
by seanmccarty on Jul 9, 2008 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Obviously the judge’s scoring that fight didn’t incorporate “damage” into their decision either cause Forrest was the one looking worse for the wear..
by O damn he got caught on Jul 10, 2008 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Its funny how whenever a favorite loses everyone wants to have a controversy. Excuses suck, Rampage lost.
GET OVER IT and move on.
Jaunito wants to justify the loss so he has no guilt for not retiring.
by TrueMMA on Jul 9, 2008 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions
If u read made comments you will see that I don’t think Rampage won, however the 10 must system doe not work correctly in MMA. That is my point!
by MoonUK on Jul 9, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Cool MoonUK, after another blogger enlightened me to FIGHTMETRICS I’ve been mentioning that on a few of my threads. It’s a great way to deeply analyze fights and understand the judging system. For those of u to basically say ‘shutup Forrest won’ is ridiculously accepting of a judging system that obviously needs some work. We all know Forrest won… what we are debating is the judging system and a high profile fight like this brings a lot of questions from a lot of fans! Don’t bendover for a flawed system… lets debate!
by THORAZINE on Jul 9, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats not Juanito Ibarra, thats Grama from the movie ‘Rounders’!
by the_mexicutioner on Jul 9, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
“24 hrs 15 large, or this is gonna’ feel lika’ swedish massage”
by THORAZINE on Jul 9, 2008 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I hate Juanito! He is making such a big fuss about this because he is so embarrassed that he said he would retire. He has such a big mouth, and is always talking about ‘we’ in regards to Rampage’s accomplishments. Retire from mma Juanito, you put it on record. And give Forrest the purse money Rampage.
by theCloser on Jul 9, 2008 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions
The Fightmetrics doesn’t work because the leg kicks had a much larger impact on the fight than the head shots by Rampage and they give more points to the punches than the kicks.
by Freddy on Jul 9, 2008 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/727861/
A cool MMA self-Knockout to watch, if you’re bored at work.
by c-war on Jul 9, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Matt Lindland done the same
by Auto “I like little boys” mation on Jul 9, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I like how the other guy tries to get his back and then flexes at the end like he did something. Funny shit.
by the_mexicutioner on Jul 9, 2008 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
This is Juanito talking mess “I never took anything away from Forrest in the beggining” WTF? I guess all the sh!t talking was nothing. Then he says he told Dana I want a rematch NOW!!! This guy is just lame.
by JV on Jul 9, 2008 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh’ shit.. Funny C-War… what adds to it is the opponent is jumping around raising his hands like he KO’d him! LOL
by THORAZINE on Jul 9, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
READ THIS:
Quick Shots: “Shogun” Rua Targeting A December Return
By Jason Perkins | July 09, 2008
Quick Shots: “Shogun” Rua Targeting A December ReturnMaurício “Shogun” Rua hasn’t fought since he was defeated by current UFC light heavyweight Champion, Forrest Griffin, last September.
Shogun is returning to the trainings step by step. He started the Boxing and Conditioning preparation and his knee is OK. Probably in a week he will come back to Jiu Jitsu practice.
Rua is not worried about a revenge versus Forrest Griffin and knows he have to get ready to face any one after his defeat for Griffin. He is planning on to come back in December.
Jul 21th will take place the realeasing of UDL new academy in Brazil-Curitiba. Wanderlei Silva will be giving a seminary with his former mates.
by john on Jul 9, 2008 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Arlovski news: No boxing match has been booked for Arlovski for september. His manager straight up said it was a BS rumor, but eventually Andre will try his hand out boxing, but nothing has been even discussed yet!
by john on Jul 9, 2008 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Sure…At worst the fight did seem like a draw…..But on the other points…Griffin WAS the first TUF winner and has had 2 losses in his last 4 fights…..He never deserved the title shot…..There is no way the UFC hasn’t cut him breaks, as it makes them look good and validates the reality show. Sure the whole thing is biased and has always been but the thing that lingers in my mind is that Rampage did not fight up to par…..He let Forest take it to the judges and should have known that was a big no-no against the TUF posterboy. Look at how hard it was for Anderson Silva to gain respect until he whooped on Rich Franklin twice. Then everyone came out of the woodwork supporting him. Rampage had to roll through at least a couple of title defenses before he believed the UFC would truly support him. And that fifth round was completely worthless for Rampage. Those last five minutes he should have used to completely destroy any doubts in our minds and instead it seems like he cruised through believing in his dominance. Yeah it was unfair, but it also seems he did it to himself. Also, he did not seem as in shape as normal……Maybe he didnt even respect Forest the way he should of to truly dominate that fight.
by Venzia on Jul 10, 2008 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Juanito Ibarra said is forrest wins he will retire, on the promotion video, but looks like he had to eat his own words up
by gazzy on Jul 10, 2008 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I wanted to qoute a well educated MMAFan in regars to UFC86 main event point of view on fight scoring:
Rampage landed 11 power shots to the head in round one, including a knockdown, while Forrest landed only 5. Power shots to the head are by far the most effective technique in MMA. No way that round should be scored for Forrest, no matter how much time he spent standing in the middle of the ring.
Round three was admittedly a lot closer, with Rampage landing 5 power head shots to Forrest’s 3. Forrest really did little other than land slapping leg kicks in that round, so the edge, again, should have gone to Rampage.
Rampage is a counter-puncher, and Forrest used that to his advantage by "pressing the action." It was the same strategy that Jardine used against Chuck, except that Forrest actually landed fewer big punches than Jardine. When "controlling the Octagon" is worth more points than punching your opponent hard to the face, and being busy is more valuable than being effective, you are dealing with a deeply flawed scoring system.
by PhilQNY on Jul 9, 2008 3:07 PM EDT reply actions
PhilQNY, I will agree that the scoring system is a bit flawed. But why is this being brought up so much now? Just because Rampage lost to someone he wasnt supposed to loose too? And to say that power shots should count more than over all shots is wrong. If that would be the case then Chuck should never loose a decision. Forrest had more power kicks, more jabs and more submission attempts, even had Rampage in a triangle.
by JV on Jul 9, 2008 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
JV I brought it up again cuz ofthe thread.
I’ll agree to disagree with you. The only way this will straighten itself out is when they rematch. hopefully like in 2weeks.. just wishful thinking.
by PhilQNY on Jul 9, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Phil:
I’d love to see the rematch but I’m seriously thinking that Page has a hairline fracture around his knee area, if he doesn’t WTF Rampage? fight like a f_@king man lol
by Auto “I like little boys” mation on Jul 9, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
He fought him like : Q.Jackson.. he needs to fight like Rampage the street soldier..he needs to go in there..and brawl. He’s left and right hand..should fire off like cruise missiles.
by PhilQNY on Jul 9, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll agree with a rematch. But after Rampage works his way back up. This is what I would like to see.
Rampage vs Machida: that way if Rampage wins he can get a quick rematch, taking Machidas thunder.
Wandy vs Thiago: to see how Thiago handles a big dog. Or to see if Wandy should drop to MW
Shogun vs Sokou: to see if Shogun can come back. Or maybe Sokou knows something we dont.
But first, if Chuck wins, then he gets his shot.
by JV on Jul 9, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
“Fight like a man.” Well since you like little boys you should have enjoyed his preformance. LMAO!!!!
by BNF on Jul 9, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Laughed my f**kin a$$ off!!!!!!!!! That was a good one BNF. And I thank you again sr. for helping me with the name suggestion.
by JV on Jul 9, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont care what anyone says, I just watched the fight 3 times in a row and I saw Rampage winning rounds 1, 3, 4…I had Forrest dominating Round 2 (10-8) and Forrest winning Round 5…Makes it a draw.
I dont think that Rampage won the fight, but I dont think he lost it either.
U know what distorts fight perseption? Joe Rogan screaming. He will scream when one fighter lands the big shot, but the other fighter counters and laNDS A SHOT OF HIS OWN, BUT rOGAN never mentions the second shot, and it distorts viewer perseptions on fights…same thing happened in the Chuck/wandy fight…Rogan would yell when Chuck lands a shot, but completly fail to mention the counterpunches that followed by wanderlei…
by john on Jul 9, 2008 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I have watched the fight numerous times. I keep hearing rampage this Rampage that, Forrest took some hard shots from Rampage and kept coming. I for one think the system is flawed and do not disagree with that but just because a fighter gets a knock down doesnt guarantee him the round. This was a good fight and Forrest did what he had to do to win. Now before all the new fans start yacking I have been watching MMA for years. I remember the dominate Royce Gracie and his legendary fights with Dan the beast Severn and a great Ken Shamrock. Hell I even remember how powerful Tank Abbott was. A knock down is just that a knock down if one doesnt do anything with it when they have control then score the round like it should be scored and I am sorry Forrest did win round one. Sorry guys but that is how I feel let it rest if Rampage is that good then he will knock forrest out in the first round of the rematch but dont think it will happen cause Randy will have him ready again.
by matt on Jul 9, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t belive some people on this site come on here claiming they know their mma and think Rampage won round 3. unreal.
by JTL87 on Jul 9, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
a bit flawed how about ALOT flawed. And to answer your question, this is being brought up so much because everyone including you know that Forrest didn’t when this fight & it doesn’t sit well with anyone that is a fan of MMA. At the end of the day there are more FACTS proving that Rampage won this this fight than anything. The only round Forrest did any damage with those kicks was the second & please don’t talk about jabs because Rampage clearly landed ALL of the harder and cleaner shots the whole fight. He had one triangle attempt before he was almost slammed on his head (WOW THAT triangle attempt REALLY WON HIM THE FIGHT)lol…wake up, MMA fans largely disputing this BOGUS A** DECISION is enough to warrant a rematch in itself.
by Pierre on Jul 9, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and (WOW THAT “almost” slam REALLY WON RAMPAGE THE FIGHT)lol
They both went in with a game plan. Forrest executed his and Rampage didn’t. The so called champ couldn’t capitalize on any of his hard clean shots. We all knew Rampage would explode in short bursts and try to knock Forrest out. He tried to do just that and couldn’t. We all knew Forrest is not particularly great at any one thing. We knew he would just try to survive and win the decision or possibly attempt to submit Quinton. And that’s exactly what he did. No one expected Forrest to come in and KO Jackson! Like JV said, if you’re judging from power shots then Chuck wins every decision. It’s ironic that this thread is over controversial judging but the argument oft heard is that Rampage landed more power shots and therefore should win even though Forrest controlled the fight, landed way more shots, almost submitted him, and was better on the ground.
Put the cool-aid down.
by wAyNe on Jul 9, 2008 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
What facts. Rampage landed more power shots but that does not win the fight. Forrest was more active.
I watched several times and forrest IMO won 2,3, and 5.
Rampage lost. He wasnt countering effectively. No sub attempts. Just was not active enough.
What facts do you have that Rampage won. ZERO
by TrueMMA on Jul 9, 2008 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
I totally agree with you 100%, there’s no way Forrest won that fight. It’s totally obvious that the ref’s got this one wrong, but what surprised me the most is the one sided commentary by Rogan & Goldberg, it was so obvious and also painful to listen to. They were like two Junior Varsity Cheerleader’s pushing for the story book ending. Rampage unified the Pride & UFC belts by beating Chuck who was the Best in the UFC & Hendo who was the best in Pride. Forrest beat a out of shape shogun who had his 1st fight in the UFC, and he was handed a BOGUS decision over Rampage…
This guy lost to Tito & got his ass kicked by Jardine. Grant it Rampage lost to Wanderlei but he never got his a** beat like that & we all saw how quickly Wanderlei beat Jardine… Everybody is always talking about how they want fighter’s to finish fights…i was reading the posts about Koscheck yesturday & people were just hating on him because he didn’t finish Lytle. But i have to give him his props he did ALOT of damage while he was on top & he won the fight decisively. Forrest doesn’t finish fights, not only was he on top of Rampage for about 3 minutes without putting a scratch on his face, Rampage was hurt in the second round from the leg kicks and he still couldn’t finish the fight OR DO ANY DAMAGE WHILE IN HE WAS IN THE TOP POSITION. THE UFC HAS OFFICIALLY STAMPED FORREST AS THEIR GOLDEN BOY.
by Pierre on Jul 9, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow all these excuses, first Forrest didnt win, then the judges got it wrong, and now its the comentating. Wah! Wah! Wah! You guys are funny!!! Kepp those excuses coming cause I could use the laughes!!!
by JV on Jul 9, 2008 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Bro, i dont agree with you at all, but i wasnt gonna say anything till you said that rampage didnt get his ass beat by wandy. The two fights they had were two of the most brutal knockouts in mma history, and rampage was on the receiving end both times. So if you are going to use facts to back up you’re claims, make sure they are accurate
by Dave on Jul 9, 2008 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously come on. There’s no way that you can compare Wandy to Jardine(just in case you missed there fight the UFC will be replaying UFC 84 for Free on Spike). Yes they were both brutal knockouts, but you missed my point which is that Wandy is a credible opponent not a one hit wonder & he also finished both of those fights with Rampage by K.O. Like a champion should!!! Who has Forrest finished besides a tired a** Shogun who had his first fight in the Octagon? He didn’t do a D*** thing to Rampage while in the full mount position for about 3 minutes and Rampage was hurt,,,but nobody seems to ever mention that,,,I sure didn’t hear Rogan or Goldberg mention it during the whole PPV either…is that the type of champion that should be representing one of the most stacked divisions in the UFC? & also look at the way Jardine was pounding on him with one hand and holding his neck with the other,,you mean to tell me right after that fight, a win over shogun solidifies a title shot with Rampage before all of the other fighters in that stacked division?. It’s both obvious & rediculous how the UFC is handing Forrest everything on a silver platter, to play on a storyline of the first T.U.F winners claim to fame. If you look at the Road other young guys like Machida & Evans(both undefeated fighters) have to take while trying to get a title shot & compare it to his track record it speaks for it’s self.
by Pierre on Jul 9, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree and disagree. It seems to me that Joe and Mike are cheerleaders for whoever is winning at the moment not necessarily for whom they like.
I didn’t expect Forrest to finish Rampage on his feet even if he was hurt by leg kicks. But doing nothing in the mount was strange. I give a lot of credit to Rampage for that, but Forrest looked awkward. Almost like he was waiting for some kind of submission attempt. IDK. But conversely Forrest was hanging out in that position for quite some time and Rampage could not escape. Not much physical damage, but very damaging in the eyes of the judges.
As for KOS, people just hate him. It’s like big Timmay. It doesn’t matter what he does.
by wAyNe on Jul 9, 2008 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
thats cuz KOS and timmy are lame ass, loud mouth, one dimensional fighters, thats why no one likes them!
by brendan on Jul 9, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Pierre
Obviously you’ve never seen the 2 wanderlei silva fights against rampage and the shogun fight against rampage because he got his ass handed to him worse than griffin ever has in all 3 fights
by JTL87 on Jul 10, 2008 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Forrest was more active period. Yes Rampage landed more power shots but thats all he threw. Forrest was constanly throwing shots, even if they didnt land effectively he was much more active.
by TrueMMA on Jul 9, 2008 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions
So showing intent and throwing air shots (even if they didn’t land lol) is better than actually puching someone….wow thats a new one.
Are u actually Roy Hilbert????
by MoonUK on Jul 9, 2008 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
10 point “must” system doesn’t seem to work so well for MMA. New rules, how about a better scoring system.
For me, my gut says Forrest won b/c he controlled more of the fight, but he never looked as dangerous as Rampage. He did “take” the belt from Jackson, but I believe that is due to a lack of aggression on Jacksons part.
by Freddy on Jul 9, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
Some people just cant except the fact that he won and move on… this isnt going to matter in a week or two really… look at hamill bisping… no one talks about that anymore and that was way more obvious…. forrest won… if rampage would have won that fight you wopuld have had a whole bunch of people who would complain and say that forrest won (and i cant blame them.. after watching the fight i thought he won……. this is why fighters shouldnt let a fight go to decision… sorry rampage you should have knocked forrest out if you wanted to keep ur belt
by Osborcor on Jul 9, 2008 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
Osborcor great thread dude. I totally agree, This is what happens when it goes to a judges decision. Hamil destroyed Bisping and guess what no rematch why cause noone cared. The fight was great and lets leave the New World LightHeavy Champion bask in the glory and get over it.
by matt on Jul 9, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Shouldnt he be filing his retirement papers instead? And did Forrest ever get Rampages’ purse since it did go to a decision?
by the_mexicutioner on Jul 9, 2008 3:12 PM EDT reply actions
Juanito is just a lame midget. After all the “I’ll retire stuff” this is all he can come up with? Forrest did beat the champ, he walked out with the belt didnt he? Juanito & Page are just showing there true colors. First Page says “I got my a$$ whooped” then he says “I thought I won the fight” then “I dont know I havent watched it yet” Thats just lame on both there parts.
by JV on Jul 9, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions
What’s even more lame is the Page maniacs making excuses…
by OJR on Jul 9, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
True that!!! there letting Juanito hype them up! Who the hell is Juanito anyway? He’s just Rampage’s boxing trainer thats all.
by JV on Jul 9, 2008 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m one of the biggest Rampage fans out there. I think the fight should have been a lot closer than it was, but Forrest still won I thought, at least when I was watching it I thought that. I haven’t seen the fight a second time yet, but I remember a fight that was a lot closer than what the scores seemed to say. Either way, I thought Forrest won, but just barely.
by Toms Bombs on Jul 9, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, I had Forrest squeeking out the win by outworking Rampage in the 5th. He outworked him all fight.
by ViolentMike on Jul 9, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
If Rampage is the man he says he is, he needs to tell his trainer to shut up. If you let your camp run around like little girls whining and crying then that reflects on you. Damn I thought Rampage was more than that.
by Brian on Jul 9, 2008 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
JV: your ignorance to who juanito is just shows that I shouldnt even bother reading your posts anymore…Do some research on Juanito and then get back to me!
Juanito is the best thing that has ever happened toRampage. Just to drop a little knowledge on you, Juanito was Vitor’s trainer back in the day, when Vitor destroyed wanderlei…..doubt you even followed the sport back then, so I dont really expect you to know any better!
by john on Jul 9, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
John, what does Juanito being the best thing to happen to Page, got to do with all his sh!t talking??? Your right, I dont know much of who hes trained, but I do know what he was saying. Please dont stop reading my posts! (LMAO) It really matters to me what you think! (LOL) I saw UFC 1 and was hooked ever since. Does that answer your doubt about how long I’ve followed the sport?
by JV on Jul 9, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Juanito is starting to act like a little b!tch. John also put up a post yesterday about a formal petition going around to get Rampage an immediate rematch, which also smells like Juanito. This is about the worst display of sportsmanship I have ever witnessed. It is getting pathetic at this point. I can’t believe the Rampage fans are not upset with this lame attempt to blame everyone but Rampage.
by BNF on Jul 9, 2008 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Its not about Rampage! I dont ever want to see any champion loose his title in a crappy fight like that!
by john on Jul 9, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Me neither, but was it a crappy fight or did Rampage fight crappy. I paid $750 a seat plus the cost of Vegas for the weekend for me and my wife to go to Rampage/Chuck. Chuck got KTFO quick. That was a crappy fight for me. His fight with Forrest was 5 rounds and had me on the edge of my seat the entire time. I don’t not consider that a crappy fight.
by BNF on Jul 9, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a great point BNF. It was a fight that went the way very few expected. Which adds a lot to a fight IMO. If Rampage did not want a bad decision he should have " Whooped Forrests ass". I thoiught Rampage would destroy him and still think Rampage would destroy him in the rematch, but the only person that can be blamed is Rampage. You don’t see A Silva having to complain about bad decisions very often, do you.
by James S on Jul 9, 2008 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Ithink this fight should have been a jackson win he got robbed I had about fifty friends over and everybody said he got robbed rewatch the fight
by shawnizzle on Jul 9, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions
Okay, I know Juanito is Rampage’s trainer, blah blah blah. But really, who the FU(K is Juanito ?
by Ballam on Jul 9, 2008 3:22 PM EDT reply actions
well technically he’s, manager/trainer/ big daddy or something. but on the manager part, it is his responsibility to complain for Rampage and do the P.R. thing. but… its ridiculous that they’re complaining. he got wooped, give up the belt and be a man. i watched the whole event with about 10 guys and 4 girls in the room, and only 1 person was complaining about the decision and thats cuz he had money riding on Rampage. Forrest won so people need to stop complaining. if he wants a rematch then knock out a couple ppl and climb the ladder back. who knows… it could be a shorter climb than his first one which was 1 win over “the beastman” who is ranked what? (number 25???) then he gets a title shot. beat some real ppl and prove that it wasnt a lucky punch against chuck (maybe im still bitter about that lol)
by wingblade on Jul 9, 2008 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
He landed like 457 lucky punches and elbows in the first fight against Chuck too.
by ViolentMike on Jul 9, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
gosh I wish people would get over the fact that Rampage beat Chuck…big deal Chuck would NEVER lose to Forrest and the same could be said that Rampage would NEVER lose to Jardine…..I do think it was just a clean shot that landed, “not lucky” on Chuck. But based on their first fight, I never thought the 2nd fight would end that quick. Chuck took a good beating in their first fight which proves he has got a great chin and can take major punishment…if you only saw the 2nd fight though, it makes Chuck look like a punk lol
by Chadx23 on Jul 9, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
1st fight made chuck look worse. He got MAULED~ the corner had to throw in the towl…thas about as bad of a beatdown as it can get!
by john on Jul 9, 2008 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
John Hackleman has said publicly that he will always throw in the towel if he doesn’t see a chance for his fighter to win. Simple as that.
by chris on Jul 10, 2008 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I disagree, the 2nd fight made Chuck look worse…or maybe your saying people think that Rampage got “lucky” on the second fight wheras if you watch the first fight, you just understand that Rampage straight up whooped Chuck for what 13, 15 minutes?
by Chadx23 on Jul 10, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Juanito Ibarra is the man, he’s been training championship boxers before we ever heard of rampage. The most notable name on that list would be “the golden boy,” oscar de la hoya. So before you start thinking your all smart for asking that question, maybe you should use google or wikipedia
by joe k on Jul 9, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It was a close fight but Forrest was more agressive. I just want Juanito to hurry up and retire.
by Mike on Jul 9, 2008 3:27 PM EDT reply actions
Swat and retreat for the win. Are Forrest fans truly happy he got the belt this way?
by jonny on Jul 9, 2008 3:38 PM EDT reply actions
forrest won the fight , rampage looked listless and under skilled ,he has a four punch compo and brute strength , not enough to compete moving forward, he needs to get a REAL COACH, take the time to learn the groud game, atleast some effective ground and pound. QUIT WHINNING RAMPAGENUTTHUGGERS
by daz on Jul 9, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Stupidest comment in this thread and that says a lot. To say that Rampage needs to learn GNP is laughable. Wake up dude. Page fought a crappy fight but he is definitely not the chump you seem to think he is.
by SpiderStyle on Jul 9, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
jonny, if you mean happy as in it was a UNANIMOUS DECISION!!! Bruce Buffer saying the NEW LHW CHAMPION!!! and Forrest walking out with the BELT!!! then yes I’m happy.
by JV on Jul 9, 2008 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup! I am happy that way too.
However, being a Rampage fan also, I am sad for him. I am sad that he underperformed and got beat by the better man that night.
by DonnyG on Jul 9, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Donny I think this is probably the most mature and realistic comment I’ve seen posted about this fight.
by sooper822 on Jul 10, 2008 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes I am, Forrest went out there and put it all on the line. Its not his fault a lazy Rampage came to fight him. Just like it wasn’t his fault an injured Rua came to fight him. Man get over this bull cause Rampage should have been more aggressive. He layed on the ground and did nothing, he stood up and did nothing only striking Forrest four or five times a round. Seriously and then like the true champ he is Forrest has already accepted a rematch. GET OVER IT!
by Bic on Jul 9, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess people forget about the fact that Forrest had Page stuck on his back for a whole round after destroying his leg… And then there was the near submission…
It was more than swat and retreat.
by tm2k on Jul 9, 2008 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought Rampage won 3 of the 5 rounds and I find it hard to see how Forest won a round that he obviously got knocked down which should have given Rampage the round.
They really need to address the way they score fights and we need more consistency that is for sure.
by Jo on Jul 9, 2008 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
Wether or not Rampage won three of the five rounds I do not contend that he ever had a 10-8 round so at the most this fight would have ended a draw. I like it better that Forrest won the fight that he showed he came ready for.
by Smokes on Jul 9, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree jonny…“forrest can’t bust a grape”. I can’t fault Forrest for following a game-pan- clearly he was never going to finish rampage so he just tried to win a decision. Rampage on the other hand wanted to finish the fight. There should be a re-match coz no way was that fight a clear Forrest win…too many brown-nosers or Forrest nut-huggers on the judging panel
by Jakizzle on Jul 9, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
At what point did Rampage make any attempt to end the fight?
by PW on Jul 9, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions
With every power punch that he threw. He was ONLY looking to end the fight with one punch. That was actually the problem…
by ViolentMike on Jul 9, 2008 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Anyone who has seen any Forrest Griffin fight would know that one punch won’t put him to sleep. Rampage looked like he was counting too much on his reputation. Forrest was intiidated in the first round of his fight against Tito, but he obviously learned from that mistake.
by PW on Jul 9, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Why, when did Chuck Lidell ever get KO’d by one punch before the 2nd Rampage fight?
And Jardine REALLY hurt him with 1 punch before finishing him with 2 more on the ground
by ViolentMike on Jul 10, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Forrest won the fight. I’m a big Page and to a certain extent, Juanito fan but this news is disappointing. I think Juanito really improved Page and took him to another level. What lost them the fight is they came in the fight to knock out Griffin but when they started to lose to distance and kicks, they did not adapt. They lost fair and square.
by bostonmmajunkie on Jul 9, 2008 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
This is exactly why Dana always tells the TUF fighters not to let fights go to the judges, because you never know how they will see the fight. I thought the decision was accurate. Rampage had 25 minutes to press forward, attack Forrest and attempt to end the fight, and he never did. Forrest did press forward and attack. He out-struck Rampage and controlled what little ground fighting took place. This is nothing more than Whine-ito and Rampage attempting to wipe a whole lot of egg off their faces after completely discounting Forrest with their comments leading up to the fight.
by PW on Jul 9, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions
If your name is Forrest Griffin..F that.. let it go to the judges..cuz your sure to win.
by PhilQNY on Jul 9, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If your name is Forrest Griffin and you pretty much know you can’t knock out your opponent, you do what you have to do to win. thats it.
Forrest did what he had to do to win, stick and move, and he won. The judges scores were a little off but the outcome was accurate. The judges work for the state athletic commission not the UFC.
by JTL87 on Jul 10, 2008 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
There is no way this fight was one-sided. I saw it as being really close even though I never tallied any of the rounds. My opinion, the whole fight, it could have went either way.
by grembone on Jul 9, 2008 4:11 PM EDT reply actions
Rampage would refuse the belt if he was in Griffin’s position. Or at least ask for a rematch to settle it. We all know what happened in the Ninja fight. Forrest should be a man and speak out NOW.
by Andrew on Jul 9, 2008 4:29 PM EDT reply actions
yea and he still walked out with the trophy…..
by Chadx23 on Jul 9, 2008 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions
but he tried to give it to Ninja, after the fight with Ninja i had a lot of respect for Rampage
by chuteboxe on Jul 9, 2008 4:59 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah that was one of the classies things I have ever seen in the sport!
THats a great point, if Rampage would have won the title that way, he wouldnt have even accepted the belt or like u said, demand a rematch against the former champ to prove himself.
Too many people on this site have been slurping on Forrest since TUF and at the same time, dont know half of what Rampage did in PRIDE….He is a stand up dude for sure, and I dont think he would be too happy if he won the belt the way Forrest did.
by john on Jul 9, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
I scored it 48-47 for Rampage. I watched it a second time and came up with the same score. I like both fighters the same, Im not a huge fan of either one, but they’re both cool. I thought that at worst, it should have been a draw, but in no way do I think the belt should have changed hands in a fight like that. There needs to be a rematch asap. I don’t think Forrest really feels that he “beat” the champion.
by Josh on Jul 9, 2008 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
do you judge MMA fights as a profession?
by WickedAwesome on Jul 9, 2008 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Forrest won the fight. Like Rampage said he will never take 9 months off again. I think he was just a little rusty. They fight again i think Rampage wins the fight. He shouldnt get to fight for the title his next fight, one or two wins away!
by WENDELL on Jul 9, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply actions
Forrest won the fight. Like Rampage said he will never take 9 months off again. I think he was just a little rusty. They fight again i think Rampage wins the fight. He shouldnt get to fight for the title his next fight, one or two wins away!
by WENDELL on Jul 9, 2008 4:37 PM EDT reply actions
Forrest won. Rampage is cool with losing. All the fanboys should get over it too.
by AmishPhysicist on Jul 9, 2008 4:38 PM EDT reply actions
Doesn’t really matter. King Machida will reign supreme.
by Andrew on Jul 9, 2008 4:44 PM EDT reply actions
Juanito needs to retire if he files that complaint. No one likes a sore loser.
by Sean_M on Jul 9, 2008 4:47 PM EDT reply actions
he’s backing out on his word now, shouldn’t of said anything if he didn’t plan on retiring..
by markg on Jul 9, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Has everyone forgot this moron said HE WOULD QUIT is Rampage lost this fight. So I hope Rampage i s looking for a new trainer. What a wanker.
by DownUnder on Jul 9, 2008 4:59 PM EDT reply actions
I’m not a Jackson hugger, so you guys can save it, but I had it a draw. I do believe the second round warranted a 10-8 score.
I gave Griffin the 2nd 10-8 and the 5th 10-9.
I gave Jackson the 1st, 3rd and 4th 10-9.
So I had it a draw using the 10 point must. I could see someone scoring the 3rd even, or 10-9 to Griffin, making it 48-46 Griffin. I don’t however see how 2 judges gave Griffin the 1st round.
That is what happens when the so-called judges get to decide. Jackson looked flat. His punching was not sharp. Overall he looked pudgy and out of shape. I give Griffin credit. He came in shape and avoided getting KO’d. It was a good fight, too bad the judging was not good. Sometimes when the underdog exceeds expectations greatly, the judging is skewed.
by SaVaGe on Jul 9, 2008 5:08 PM EDT reply actions
There is no question that the 10-point-must scoring system is not really applicable to MMA. Anyone who has even watched MMA would probably admit this. Certainly we’ve heard those close to the sport complain loudly that the present scoring is flawed…however it is the scoring system in place.
It is the system that was adopted to appease sporting & athletic commissions who knew nothing of the sport, to get sanctioning. It was (& is) the only scoring system they(sporting & athletic commissions) are familiar with as it is used to score boxing.
You better get used to it as changing the scoring system now will be a herculian task to say the least.
We now have the unified rules of MMA, that have been adopted by sporting & athletic commissions across N. America and parts of Europe. More are expected to join ranks.
To get the scoring system changed, each respective sporting & athletic commissions would have to agree to the changes.
I agree the scoring needs to be changed to reflect the complexity of MMA, I just don’t see it happening any time soon…if ever.
by Talkman on Jul 9, 2008 5:09 PM EDT reply actions
The same old statement you hear 20 times during TUF comes into play here, “Never leave a fight it up to the judges”. Like it or not, right or wrong, Forest won the fight. What this event does is, hopefully, force everyone to take a hard look at the scoring system and make changes. Does anyone know if Dana has made any statements about this? He’s usually pretty vocal when it comes to scoring going the wrong way.
by VNDK8 on Jul 9, 2008 5:13 PM EDT reply actions
As Hughesus said once ‘How are the judges selected?’. Anybody with half a brain can see that the only consistency in MMA judging is the inconsistency. That is an issue that needs addressing
by WayofTheWarrior on Jul 9, 2008 5:21 PM EDT reply actions
Just a thought here. Maybe the want the judging to be inconsistent. That way a fighter can never be sure that he is winning the fight and will always try and finish his opponent. Could be a wise strategy.
by DonnyG on Jul 9, 2008 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
There’s nothing to protest. I’ve seen worse decisions by judges(and referees) that haven’t been formally protested, and that fight was way too close for anyone to reasonably say Rampage got robbed. I personally thought the fight could go either way depending on which scoring criteria you give preference to, but I think Forrest deserved the victory here.
If Juanito is this worked up about Jackson’s loss, well, the only ones to blame are himself and Jackson IMO. It certainly seemed to me like they were taking Forrest lightly with Rampage saying he’d bet his fight purse that their fight wouldn’t go to a decision, and Juanito saying he’d retire if Forrest won. I would love to see a rematch between the two, but I definitely feel it shouldn’t be an immediate one since it would almost seem to validate the opinions of the pro-Jackson crowd that there was something wrong with the decision in this fight, even though there wasn’t.
Let Page fight Wanderlei or Machida or even Shogun if Mauricio is healed up and ready to go by then and let him earn a rematch for the belt after the winner of Liddell/Evans gets their shot.
by Jase on Jul 9, 2008 5:22 PM EDT reply actions
to PhilQNY:
BRO YOUR RIGHT 100% THEY GIVE THIS FIGHT TO FORREST AND I THINK IS ALL ABOUT MONEY MAKER THEY KOWN IS A LOT MONEY IN RAMPAGE FIGHTS EXMP/FUTURE : WANDY. SHOGUN. LIDELL AND THE LIST GOING ON ON AND ON SIMPLE IS ALL ABOUT MONEY
by HALEXTITO on Jul 9, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions
Hey that’s sweet that you have a Caps Lock button. Nice!
I fail to see how Forrest is more marketable than Rampage. If Forrest is so much more marketable then why is he paid about half of what Rampage is paid?
by DonnyG on Jul 9, 2008 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
like rampage said.i got my ass beat..end of story
by lamirada lofty on Jul 9, 2008 5:35 PM EDT reply actions
no thats not the end of the story… rampage said that because he is a nice guy ok! what Juanito says is the only truth you need to know to be a champ you’ve got to beat the champ… if it’s a close fight you give it to the champ the worst thing for rampage should have been a draw
by RoB on Jul 9, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions
if Rampage did not think he got beat, no way in hell would he have said that. If you think you were robbed, nice guy or not, your gonna stand up for yourself.
by halljam2 on Jul 9, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions
he knew it was close… so he took it and accepted it like a man thats why he said that! but when you look at it he won 3 rounds and maybe even the last round to make it 4-1 in rounds or 3-2, just because his knee got busted up in the 2 round people seems to think that Forrest threw 100 leg kicks that landed when Rampage really avoided them for the most part in the last 3 rounds..
by RoB on Jul 9, 2008 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions
ARE YOU GUYS SERIOUS?! How can some of you guys score Page to win in this fight when he clearly lost. All three judges called it and even Rampage himself admit he lost. Some of you guys must’ve been watching another fight.
by bostonmmajunkie on Jul 9, 2008 5:48 PM EDT reply actions
no boston junkie.. just because you don’t like Rampage and wanted Forrest to win you say that.. rewatch the fight and tell me your honest opinion! and if you don’t see that Rampage CLEARLY won round 1,3,4 then U must’ve been watching another fight.. you could give round 5 to rampage too, if nobody says something about the judges this shit will continue! you don’t have to be a genius to score the rounds
by RoB on Jul 9, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Boston yes he was gracious in the ring with defeat butin the post fight interview he clearly states that he felt robbed by the decision. Also that 10-8 second round every keeps giving Forrest I do not think was lopsided. He did not do crap to Rampage except let him rest the le, which allowed
rampage to keep the fight close, and personally if you aint totaly beatin the champ you are not deservant of the belt.
by Da Monkey on Jul 10, 2008 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
“Don’t let him take this fight from you.”
Juanito Ibarra
Juanito said this to Rampage at the end of the 3rd or 4th round. He knew that Rampage was losing. This is all just blustering to excuse himself and his fighter for the loss.
“I don’t have to retire because ’Page never REALLY lost that fight. The Judges stole it from him”
by Freddy on Jul 9, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
you Page lovers should stop crying. big deal he lost. another reason for him to train harder. cause he did slack in that fight
by WickedAwesome on Jul 9, 2008 6:05 PM EDT reply actions
Would everyone quit sitting on the fence about this fight and have an opinion already!
by DonnyG on Jul 9, 2008 6:35 PM EDT reply actions
Rampage guaranteed the fight wouldn’t go to a decision. So much that he bet his take of the purse on it while being filmed which I haven’t seen anyone remark about.
Where I watched it everyone figured it would be over within the first round if not within two minutes.
So now we are here where a dominate champ couldn’t dominate what many thought to be weak compared to Rampage.
If you want to go with the idea that someone has to BEAT the champ, which I disagree with, than what about an idea that the champ should at least be as effective as you expect of him?
I doubt Rampage took this fight very seriously. Juanito should retire and Rampage should give up his pay. They said and it happened.
by Twist on Jul 9, 2008 7:02 PM EDT reply actions
Important point: They never actually made the bet.
by DonnyG on Jul 9, 2008 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Man what a sore loser. I like Rampage but come on he lost the fight. Forrest was in control almost the whole fight. Be a man. Admit you got beat by a better fighter on the night and come back and whup sum ass !!!
by Rob on Jul 9, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply actions
The “you have to dominate the Champion” to win his belt philosophy comes from boxing…the same place MMA gets the 10-point-must scoring system.
Don’t complain about one while defending the other.
by Talkman on Jul 9, 2008 7:31 PM EDT reply actions
Off topic…
The Fight Network is reporting that Rampage has been (medical) suspended until Jan./09 , reporting he has fractures above & below the knee.
by Talkman on Jul 9, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions
good info. its like i argued over with some dude about the way forrest’s face looked after the fight. wich would you rather have, afew cuts and bruises on your face or a busted knee. those leg kicks where more devastating than a ko in the long run. after a ko you get like what, a month or two suspension. looks like forrest took rampage out for about a year. i mean no ill will towards rampage, but this speaks volumes on who won this fight and who actually did the most damage. i wonder if FIGHT METRIC takes this kind info into account. i kinda doubt it!
by b.w. on Jul 9, 2008 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
TALKMAN. are you sure about this one? i went to that website and didnt see this anywhere.
by b.w. on Jul 10, 2008 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m only reporting what I saw on a news segment of TFN (on TV).
I am sure I heard right.
I have been looking for the same info elsewhere…only can confirm what I witnessed.
by Talkman on Jul 10, 2008 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Just saw the report again on TFN, but I have yet to see it anywhere else.
Rampage Jackson on Medical suspension till Jan 2/09.
by Talkman on Jul 10, 2008 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
This is the case in everuy fight we see, some judges score like you would and wouldn’t, and rampage did say"forest just woop my ass. So I don;t get what every body is talking about?
Juanito retires from coaching and becomes the conspiracy theorist.
by Ro-J on Jul 9, 2008 8:45 PM EDT reply actions
Juanito is just making noise because he said he would retire if forest won and he dont want to admit he is a loud mouth that lives through others accomplishments. personally i thought both fighters were not preforming there best but forest won every round even the first “but” they were close if round one was given to jackson i wouldnt complain but he did nothing after the knock down. forest did little damage except the leg kicks but out worked jackson each round. i do know one thing both better fight at a higher level than they did in this fight or there in trouble 205 is looking pretty tough right now. listen rampage jackson you are the better fighter but you got to be more agressave.. out
by wayne on Jul 9, 2008 8:55 PM EDT reply actions
scroll up. it looks like forrest did more than a little damage.
by b.w. on Jul 9, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
he has fractures above and below the knee? that would be impossible, I mean no one thinks forrest can bust grapes. It was all swat and run. Look, I bet a lot of money on Page, a house payment. I never dreamed forrest could go one round with my fighter. Rampage showed me less than he ever has. I like him still and would bet on him again tomorrow, but he needs to come more prepared. He should have spent more time training than running his mouth. My guess is he was so tired from talking smack, that he couldn’t come up with a counter to the leg kicks. he only threw KO punches because he thought he was gonna knock forrest out with one punch, and he made himself one-dimensional. If they rematch, bet the farm on rampage he will never come out that unprepared again. janito needs to spend more time training his fighter in the gym rather than smack-talkin’.
by CLETIS on Jul 9, 2008 9:15 PM EDT reply actions
whinito should live up to his word and retire. he’s done a great job with rampage, but many are calling him the “george siefert” of mma. great when he’s got alot of talent to work with, but not a teacher like greg jackson or randy couture, who are like the bill walsh or bill belicheck of their respective sport.
by b.w. on Jul 9, 2008 9:17 PM EDT reply actions
Dude I’m sorry but Forrest won that fight. Forrest won the first round because he controlled it for the entire time up until he took that power punch that put him down. Even after he was brought down, he was able to bring the fight to their feet and then trade strikes for the rest of the round (which was like a minute). Now in round 2, I think everyone agrees that Forrest won. The only dispute is if it was dominant enough to be a 10-8 round. I don’t really think Forrest did enough on the ground for it to be a 10-8 round but then again, Rampage didn’t really do anything at all so you could make an arguement for either decision. Round 3 was when Rampage came back and started to do his thing. He got the better of the exchanges and landed more strikes. I thought it was more close than many make it out to be but I still agree that round 3 could go to Rampage. Round 4, Rampage was fairly dominant. He reversed the takedown, landed some subpar GnP and got out of a triangle choke that could have ended the fight for most fighters. Rampage wins Round 4. Now Round 5. Forrest was much more aggressive up until the last minute or so. While Rampage did hold his own, i would have to say that Forrest won the majority of that round giving him a 10-9 win for the fifth round.
In light of that, I’d say 48-47 Griffin.
PS Stop talking about the cut of Forrest head. He has a lot of scar tissue in that area. It happens.
by RyanHobbs on Jul 9, 2008 9:25 PM EDT reply actions
“You gotta beat the champ to be the champ.” That’s the saying right?
Well, Forrest. He beat him on points. So should every decision that has happened in a title fight be protested? No, it’s illogical and people should get over the loss. PEOPLE LOSE. Yes, it’s hard to believe, but even champs get out-pointed.
by Sean_M on Jul 9, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions
why do you guys think that Forrest had such an easy time winning round 2? Perhaps it was all the damage Rampage took in the first round? How can anyone who watched round 2 and honestly say that Rampage did more damage? Rampage had trouble walking, much less moving and fighting effectivly. Forrest also landed more strikes, and controlled almost the whole round, except for the short ammount of time he was rocked. Im not saying that Forrest deffintly won the first round, but its not out of the question that a judge would give it to him.
Also im tired of all this “forrest didnt TAKE his belt” BS. You shouldnt have be givin an advantage just because you are the champ. You should be scored just like everyone else.
Juanito is just pissed because forrest made him look like he didnt know what he was talking about before the fight.
by BenLardo on Jul 9, 2008 11:15 PM EDT reply actions
The fact that you have to disect every round to figure out who won shows that Rampage didn’t get screwed, he lost a close decision. At the end of the fight, I had no idea who would get the decision. If you wanna say Rampage deserves a rematch, I couldn’t agree more, and he shouldn’t have to even fight another fight before said rematch. But to say Rampage got screwed and for some people to even compare this to the Kimbo-Thompson fiasco is insane, and shows a lack of being able to remove personal feelings towards a fighter in judging what happened in a fight.
by tc on Jul 9, 2008 11:29 PM EDT reply actions
This is my last post about this fight because the dead horse has been beaten to death…again. I would say a large majority of Page fans don’t like Chuck. These same Page fans complain after every Chuck fight that he is one dimensional and only looks for the KO punch.
All I saw out of Page that night was a one dimensional fighter throwing an occasional bomb or two. When Forrest had Page on the ground his legs were wide open and he didn’t try to hip escape or sweep Forrest once. What I saw was a fighter who was out of shape and slow lose his belt.
Watch the fight again, tell me who is standing on the Bud Light logo for 80% of the fight. I’ll give you a hint, its not the guy who entered the cage with the belt.
by sooper822 on Jul 10, 2008 12:35 AM EDT reply actions
Your article didnt mention most of the press row telling Juanito, that Forrest won as reported by the Wrestling Observer.
Juanito got really peeved when he heard that.
That tidbit just satisfies to no end. Juanito is a scumbag, throwing passive aggressive accusations like a lil b (shogun/silva steroids, forrest didnt believe he won). I loved the retirement bet. Jackson should hire a real MMA trainer.
by KW on Jul 10, 2008 1:58 AM EDT reply actions
I am Rampage fan more than a Forrest fan and I thought Forrest did just about win, but I am sure that if Chuck was still champ and the the challnger did not put up a convincing display and truly beat him, then I think that Chuck would have ended up keeping his belt. Not racism just favouritism. I wasn’t that impressed with the match and would definately say that Forrest did not ‘beat’ Rampage but he did win. It was the sort of fight that deserves a re-match.
by Ade on Jul 10, 2008 9:09 AM EDT reply actions
i think forrest won the fight fare and square, he was the agresser throughout the fight, no questions asked did forrest win the fight. It was close but i think it was clear the forrest won.
by MIchael on Jul 10, 2008 10:37 AM EDT reply actions
This stupid idiot Juanito should be fired in the first place for letting Rampage come in to the fight in such poor shape. I’m a fat ass myself, but to see a very well paid professional fighter come in such poor shape was a laugher. I mean c’mon…his stomach..not great cardio…but that’s right Juanito..to save your ass let’s blame the judges like the chump you are. TOOOOLL!!! P.S. Go buy a new hat you look like a putz.
by ilovearianny on Jul 10, 2008 12:38 PM EDT reply actions
juanito is a joke in the boxing world. No fighters want his services. Somehow he has found a niche with MMA guys and as in boxing, quickly ruins their careers. He is the kiss of death for anyones’ career.. There was no excuse for Rampage not to throw punches for more extended periods of time. No Cardio, no aggression.. He was way too economical on his strikes.. Having said that, I dont think Page had a chance without a KO..
by DRE on Jul 10, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
Lil’ Juan doesn’t need to talk about filing an appeal and just do it…Jackson said it best, “Forrest wupped my ass”. I don’t think a lame ass appeal would help any at this point anyway. Juan bragged about how we were going to see big things this year from Jackson. The only big thing we seen from Jackson was a big tummy, just like Juan. I for one think the scoring was fair an impartial, just like any other fight. If Juan were so good then he wouldn’t have let his guy take that many months off for the UF show and subsequent fight. Juan is a steet punk leeching on to Jackson.
by holmz76 on Jul 10, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
Forrest won that fight by a lot actually
Round 1-Forrest out worked Rampage.You dont get scored that much if you get dropped.Forrest got Dropped but he got right back up.I think that was still a 10-9 round for Forrest!
Round 2-Forrest threw two big leg kicks and hurt Rampage and then got a guillotine choke and threw like 4 big knees and then took him down got side mount and then mount plus two submissions.10-8 for Forrest.
Round 3-Forrest landed 2 leg kicks in the round.They messed up the leg even more.Rampage threw a lot of punches caught him a couple times.Rampage Jackson 10-9
Round 4-Forrest went for an ok takedown but landed on his back.So takedown for Rampage but he got caught in a triangle looked for the knock-out slam but Forrest was smart and made sure he didnt get slammed as bad.Forrest went for a lot of submissons.10-9 Rampage Jackson.
Round 5-They stood the whole round!Rampage was backing off like he already one the fight which he did’nt he really didnt land and punches in the round until the last miunte but neither did Forrest but he landed a couple leg kicks that scored!Forrest Griffin 10-9
Juanito you said you would retire if Rampage lost.So retire!
and you would look like an idiot if you protested.And uhhhh we have a NEW UFC LIGHT-HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION!!!FORREST GRIFFIN!
by Christian on Jul 11, 2008 2:51 AM EDT reply actions
lets be serious. its reported on every website, by every reporter, writer and critic that rampage was robbed, and or it was a very bad decision. everyone knows that if the fight is a tie, victory goes to the champ, not the challenger. you have to dominate the champ, forrest didnt do that. UFC is starting to seem shady.
im glad rampage was humble enough to let the belt go with no complaints with all respect pointed at forrest. forrest even said in his interview that “rampage knows that he can beat me” so he must feel a little un-champion like. we will see how long he holds the belt.
by streetboxer on Jul 15, 2008 11:02 PM EDT reply actions
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