Stager lee: I could not agree more! just a boring night of action. Violentmike Called ma as soon as the event was over and said the same thing. I just git iff the phone with PhilQny and he was also teling me what a terrible event it was. It was just a crappy night of fighting and the UFC should be ashamed of themselves for that crap after we waited 9 months to see it!

Guys.. Your boy Phil was mega tight after ufc86. I’m just starting to feel better today.. UFC86 " what the F’@#%^&k was that!!!! ".. The whole televised portion of it was a snoozefest. The main event!! Suspect.

Guys.. Your boy Phil was mega tight after ufc86. I’m just starting to feel better today.. UFC86 " what the F’@#%^&k was that!!!! ".. The whole televised portion of it was a snoozefest. The main event!! Suspect.I had that fight very close. RD1 Page RD2 Forrest RD3 Page ( close ) RD4 Page ( close ) RD5 Forrest.. I thought Forrest impossed his game better than Page. PAge didn’t look sharp or explosive..and on the ground like BJJ white belt. I knew once it went the cards..Forrest would get the nod. But I thought would be a split decision. Or a draw. The whole thing smelled rotten.

It was intresting to hearthe crowd " who loves Forrest " boo him after he gets the title. The place was booing him. Suspect.

John’ it’s over give it a rest! your pathetic! i’ve said it before if don’t practice mma stop being such an expert! 2k is that big of a deal! go cry to your uncle!

Tyson Griffin won by decision? REALLY? Wouldn’t have ever predicted that…

The Kos/Lytle fight was pretty good, better than some are saying. The people that had money on Lytle will of course hate that fight…

Stevenson/Tibau: Leading up to the fight I kept on saying how big of a WW Gleison is. He looked huge against Tyson Griffin and even bigger against Stevenson. He has a lot of potential and I expect him to start making noise in the LW division. I’m happy that Joe pulled out the win, with of course, a guillatine. If anyone should have a guillatine nickname, its Joe Daddy, not Mike “boring decisions” Swick.

Big Dog/Cote: How in the world can one of the judges not give Ricardo the first round?? 30-28. What is that? Ricardo did great in the first round and the second round was close up until he got clipped at the end of the round. Going into the 3rd, it was tied. But then Almeida just looked like he was out of it and didn’t even want to fight anymore. I did not understand it. He FINALLY shoots in for a takedown with 30 seconds left and gets it easily. WHY oh WHY didn’t he do this earlier in the round?

Griffin Rampage: Ok, what just happened??? Mad props to Forrest, this was the first fight of his that I have ever rooted against him, and that was only because I had a good amount of money on Rampage. Rampage won round 1. Forrest won round 2, but it wasn’t a totally clear 10-8 round. Sure, Rampage didn’t do anything, but Forrest never had him hurt while he was GnP’ing him(outside of the knee injury). Even Forrest’s GnP punches are weak. Once Rampage’s knee was hurt, it was all down hill because he couldn’t attack. However, in round 1, Rampage was backing up and waiting for Forreest to strike and get in close enough so he can counter. Rampage did not initiate any of the action. I thought that the fight was even going into the 5th round and whoever won that round wins the fight. Forrest should have won by decision, but not that lopsided.

When scoring the fights (even though its not boxing, but we do use the 10 point must system), I still think that you must slightly consider who is the champ. In order to beat the champ, you need to beat the champ convincingly. If you don’t get the finish, it needs to be a lopsided fight to get the nod in the decision. Considering that, which was my only glimmer of hope before the scorecards were read, I don’t think Forrest did enough damage to Rampage or beat him convincingly enough to be the new champ. But Forrest controlled the pace the entire fight and Rampage sure didn’t engage enough to win a 5 round decision.

As far as betting, WOW, what a tough night. My solo bets were on Rampage and Almeida. All 3 of my parlays had Rampage on them… Even a 2 man parlay, Joe Stevenson and Rampage paying a little higher than even money…

John, you talked to Phil after the event?

PHIL, I called you after the PPV and you didn’t answer, WTF??? LOL

John, it’s so obvious you are so new to gamblin! I’m so glad for you you don’t hear real gamblers laughing so loud at you right now for 2k!lol

VM… When you called me.. I was going to choke out my friend.. that was a bad time. I was upest at the main event/ufc86.. what the F’ was that all about. I try to hit you back on Sunday afternoon. This morning I texted John about Ufc86..I’m just startingto feel better today. Thank God.. I didn’t bet $$$ on this event.. I would of called my sister on Sunday morning " Come get me out of Jail "…I agree with your assesment of the fights. Rampage made a good point after losing the decision. that he will never wait 9months to fight again. I have a question.. If Forrest and Page were never coaches of TUF7, but were set up to fight for the title months ago.. do you think the out come would of been different??

most certainly a bad night of fights.

very boring indeed!

not only bad cause i lost 57,000k but i also lost my friendly bet with my mma head from queens.

very dissapointing night.

in case u dont know or never heard-

i am from stockton and out there we say that rich peoples fingers stink. or we call them stinky fingers.

ie. if you have lots of cash ur stinkin rich. so stinky fingers means u have money to blow.

when i won the lotto my friends started calling me stinky fingers.

maybe after this past ufc i should change my name to-

-empty~pockets~

lol. just jokin.

i am a pro gambler and u win some u lose some.

i will be betting big on the affliction card to get my money back.

P.S-I SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO PHILQNY, HE IS ALWAYS RIGHT ABOUT MMA FIGHTS.

Also, after watching UFC 86, well, after watching the Joe Stevenson fight, I said that the UFC MUST, and I mean, MUST book Joe Stevenson vs Tyson Griffin. They will both be ready to fight at the same time too. UFC 90 in November works for me.

Joe Silva – PLEASE get this one done. They are too similar of fighters to have two of them near the very top of the division. Its time we find out which one is better.

Right now, I think I’d go with Joe Daddy on the sole basis that he can end a fight.

Yeah, Stevenson/Tyson MUST be booked! I like Tyson, but finish a fight already! I wouuld give the edge in that fight to stevenson as well.

IMO, it was one of the most boring night of fights that I have seen in a long time. The fighter that impressed me the most was Tibau! I had no idea he was so big, and so young…This kid is going to be a PROPLEM at 155 for years to come. I think he had joe, but he went for the highlight win, trying to triangle joe out of the mount!

After Rampage almost “Arona’ed” Forrest, I doubt anyone will ever try and submit Rampage off their back ever again. Because Forrest would have gotten Donkey Konged if he didnt let go of that triangle, and Forrest is a big ass LHW, so if Rampage can Donkey Kong Forrets, he can do it to anyone fighting at 205 lbs.

The classic Grappler vs. Striker match up should be BAnned WHEN THE FIGHTERS ARE NOT WELL ROUNDED AND HAVE SO MUCH ON THE LINE….I was very dissapointed with that fight, not cause ASlmeida lost, but because I expected a much more exciting fight out of those 2. 1st of all, weather or not Okami has any US fans, it will be a travesty to over look himj in favor of Cote, especially after Saturday’s performance…Plus I am sure that Silva is dying to avenge his BS loss to Okami!

I rewatchefd the KOschek fight and it was a better fight than I originally thought. Because Kos had Lytle stacked up against the cage, I missed some of the Big Blows that Kos landed…re watching the fight, it was much better than I intitially thouight. After the event, I spoke with Violentmike and we talked about the Female judge that scored the Almeida fight all 3 rounds for Almeida. During the announcement of the decision, when it was up to the 3rd round, as soon as I heard that it was a female judge, I knew that Cote won the fight because she completely over looked the Ju jItsu aspect of the fight! Did the female judge also judge the Rampage fight?

Question: Do the same 3 judges judge every fight on the event, or do they rotate judges?

My scoring for the Rampage fight would have been a DRAW:
Round 1 Rampage
Round 2 Forrest (Maybe 10-8)
Round 3 Rampage
Round 4 Rampage
Round 5 Forrest

Yeah, that female judge ruled it 30-28 for Cote. That means that she had one of the rounds 10-10. There is no way that any judge can say that Ricardo lost the first round. Big Dog clearly won the first round.

I posted this on Sunday, but some of you missed it…. I would like to hear what some of the regulars on this site think about this post. VM, Phil, Stager, Kevin and the others that I respect like Linx aka BNF’s bitch, take a read and giove me some feed back:

For those that want to know what pissed me off, here it is:

I am more pissed at Rampage then I am at the Decision because Forrest haqd no choice other than winning a decision. In 25 minutes Rampage has the ability to finish anyone! AS fans we got jipped out of a highly anticipated title fight because there were about a million things that I did not like out of Rampage’s performance.

1) I did not like Rampages demeanor. From when he walked into the cage, he was flat footed, and laid back and honestly he did not come to fight. I think he highly underestimated Forrest and to me it llooked like he felt he did not need to be active and that he couuld just stand there, flat footed wait for an opening and Crack Forrest with a big shot and win the fight. iT was a very lazy effort by Rampage.

2) WTF was upp with Rampages game plan? Like we all knew, Forrest has no POWER what so ever and he could not hurt Rampage with any of his punches. Only damage he could do were the leg kicks. With that said, why did Rampage just sit in the pocket and wait for a counter punch? i dont get it! When u have all the KO power and you know that your opponent cant hurt you, your game plan should be ATTACK! If rampage would have kept attacking, Forrest would have kept retreating and wouldnt even be able to throw any leg kicks. When u are lucky enough to fight someone that you know cant hurt you, u have to bully him, keep attacking and backing him up, not sit in the pocket and look for a big counterpunch to end the fight. it was very lazy!

3) I am starting to think that Rampage performs much better in a 3 round fight then he does in a 5 round fight. In his fights vs. Hendo and Forrest, I feel that Rampage worried too much about saving energy for the 4th and 5th rounds that he did not open up enough and come to Finish the fight in the early rounds. In a 3 round fight, I feel Rampage will be more comfortable and push the pace looking for the big finish.

4) I think some X-factor worked against Quinton last night! He cleary under estimated Forrest. He showed Forrest No respect what so ever because he didnt fight. He stood completly still, let Forrest attack anytime he wanted, feeling that he could finish the fight whenever he felt like itwith a big counter punch. I dont know if it was under estimating Forrest or that the 9 month lay off hurt him, but as a HUGE Rampage fan, I feel really jipped out of a BIG FIGHT because he did not come to fight. Regardless weather Forrest deserved to win this or not, NO EXCUSES because Rampage did not fight even closely to his best fight and anyone who will argue with that is dillusional. He was not hurt and out of shape like Shogun was, he just didnt fight. AS a champion thats headlining a pay per view in a fight that we waited half a year for, he has to fight his best fight, and that was not close to fighhting up to his capabilities! I am disspointed in the decision because I feel like it was a BS one, but I am more dissapointed in Rampage because as a defending Champion, youo have to bring it and fight to the best of yoour capabilities and he clearly did not do that last nighht!

regardless of the outcome, I am not to mad about the decision. After all, Forrest brought his A game, Rampage did not….therefore I cant really defend Rampage regardless if I feel he deserved to wake up today with out the title or not! Much props to Forrest for Bringing it! at least 1 guy came to fight!

John: I basically had the same score card for the main event. I felt Page was too slow. He didn’t have that explosiveness. Your 188% right in regards that he should of bullied Forrest. Cut off the angles. Press him up against the cage. nullify his reach and leg kicks. I don’t think I blink once from RD1 to RD5.. the whole I’m like this is Bull shit. I think Forrest won the fight. I only saw it once. my blood pressure was too high to watch it again during the weekend. Like you said, Forrest came to fight..Page didn’t..and still it was a close fight. Page made that fight so mmuch harder for himself. What’s up with Juanito..where’s the game..where’s Rampages metamorphisis that he spoke about in the countdown. I didn’t see in ’86.

Yo Stinky : Our friendly bet expires after today. Just please don’t sleep on Gonzaga again.

john, That is pretty much the same reason I was so pissed with the fight aswell..If Rampage showed up it would have been what I expected to see..

 I wanted Rampage to win(and thought he would), but I am a big fan of Forrest so I can’t complain too much..

Like you said, when it came down to it’ "Rampage didn’t show up to fight, and Forrest did..

Props to Forrest..But I still think Rampage should have got the nod…But who know’s?..

I do know that even if they gave Rampage the win?, I can gaurantee I would have still been disapointed with the fight, because Rampage simply did not show up, Quinton did…

That fight was supossed to be great, and dont get me wrong I was still entertained, but it would have been better if they didn’t do the TV show..

I give Forrest MAD RESPECT! and am not hating on him, but even with Rampage’s lackluster performence I still think he won 4 of the 5 rounds…

I am glad that it was a fight were I am a big fan of both fighters..

STAGGER LEE. keep your day (or night) job, because your scoring of 48-46 for rampage is as laughable as adalade byrd’s soring the fight 49-46 for forrest….. scroll down and read my comments to PW. thats you!

b.w, i responded to your childish rants for the last time..scroll down kiddo!

Your the same dude that jumped on my back over the GSP/Serra fight, with your false accusations..All you want is for someone to say your always right.
You can look in the mirror and tell yourself your always right because you aint hearing it from me.

im not always right, but i am on this one. be mad at me all you want,it will not bother me at all.. you remembering the gsp/serra post from 2 months ago is a riot! lol!

Your silly antic’s are the riot bro!

I aint mad.lol.
You were the one who came at me dude..I never followed your posts saying “oh your wrong”, and then type a bunch of shit you never even said.

I simply posted my opinion.

You posted your opinion 1000 times, and then another 1000 times over other people’s post that disagreed with yours..

GET OVER IT.

yeah, did you see round 2…….. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH

STAGGER LEE. so you did log on to this site this weekend but didnt post until monday? you must have read every opinion i posted to know the things you say. VM. good point i did say that alittle too much, but where were you when i said it sat night. JOHN was on all weekend and dindnt back down from any one, we had quite a few war of words ,but we never got all personal about it.

John, Cote and Almeida are apparently well rounded enough to not get submitted or KTFO by EXPERTS opposite to their strengths. It no surprise that Cote is a great striker and he DIDN’T get subbed by (as YOU put it) one of the sickset submissionist ever, so how can he not be well rounded. Believe me, Cote is well rounded enough to pose a threat to ANYONE in the MW division. When has a striker-grappler match been super exiting? It was a chess match, take it for what it was. You just seem sore because you lost money on these fights. You can’t win them all.

Phil, I too was surprised that the crowd was booing Forrest. I couldn’t believe it. I thought that Forrest was the crowd and fanboy/TUFster favorite? I did not understand what that was all about.

Also, I wonder why Forrest was making it a point to swear at every opporunity during the post fight interview. He usually lets a couple of them out, but he made sure to swear at least once in each sentence.

I like hearing the “swear words” but it seemed forced while he was saying it.

Of course, not a big deal, just mentioning.

Also, how freaking stupid is Goldy? He made so many dumb and incocrect comments. Every single time someone gets a cut above thier eye, it says “Wow, that’s just as bad as the cut Marvin Eastman had” and Joe always has to quickly correct him and say that he is way off. Literally, this happened the last 3 events.

During the Kos fight, Goldy mentions his loss to Fickett, than after the fight he says that Kos was undefeated going into the fight with GSP. I can’t remember too many more of his mess ups right now, but they were plentiful this weekend.

ALSO, did anyone else get pissed off when they said that they were shoing Gurgel/Miller for free on UFC.com then one second later they show the end of the fight as sub of the night? WTF. Nothing like spoiling a gift.

Yeah i was also mad that they spoiled the out-come..

I did go check out the fight, and imo- I thought it was the fight of the night…

Goldy..is a bird.

Did I hear correctly that Rogan referred to Eastman’s cut as a goat vagina??

Kory what would have made the Kos fight more Entertaining? Blood splattered on the camera, Chris was throwing haymakers till the last minute, Kos got rocked and kept comming back; I thought it was a great fight (and I didn’t bet on it) I am a Kos fan, but even if he’d got caught at the end it just would have made for an even better fight.

A side note:
I’m tired of hearing about gamblers who base their blogs about how great they are at gambling.

I personally won a million ba-gillion dollars on the Forest fight but you don’t hear me bragging about the fact that I am great at winning a million ba-gillion dollars and that I started with a hay-penny two years ago only betting on UFC fights and dancing with stars finals and now look how great I am because I say so…

sorry but one big cut doesn’t make a fight interesting. Blood splattered all over might be entertaining a bit, but does not make a good fight. As a fight it was boring. Kos could not even finish Chris after he bleed him out for 3 rounds. The only highlight for Chris was at the end of the 3rd when he was throwing those haymakers. The problem was he could barely stand and was sloppy as hell and Kos could still not even finish him. Kos is boring and can’t finish and i’d rather not waste 15 min of a pay per view watching him. Also what in the world would make him think anyone in their right mind would actually like to see him fight BJ at 155.. Out of all the great matchups they can do with BJ why waste his time on Kos.. Put Kos VS Sherk and then we can see who can lay on eachother the most…

I see your point; I think I was overly impressed with Chris’s ability to keep fighting. It did look like one solid punch would have ended it, however I still don’t think Kos is only an undercard fighter. He improves with every fight

You’re right i’m not taking anything away from his fighting. He can beat the majority of the people in the division. The problem is he isn’t exciting and will most likely go to a decision everytime. And he can’t beat GSP so it’s hard to figure out what to do with him. Chris is amazing at not getting finished, but he again proved he isn’t going to beat a top fighter.

yeah, i think u guys may be right!

In that case, I hope you bet against Khalib Starnes and GSP everytime!

GSP’s new nickname = Tin Man

THats a good one Mike! lol the Tin man…..Forrest would be the scare crow…big dummy! and Rampage looked like the cowardly lion Saturday night

And Jorge Gurgel as Dorothy!!!

Dude I never bet on the fight, and the fact that we disagree with the out-come shouldn’t matter..Thats what this web-site is all about…But I am not carring on about how I thought Rampage should have one..I probably only said it twice.

I give Forrest mad credit, and am a huge fan..
I don’t disrespect your opinions so whats your problem?

Do you just need to hear that you are right? and that I have no clue what I am talking about?..Man get a life.

We all have our own opinions, and last time I checked I am not the only person who thinks Rampage should have won…
It will probably happen with more fights, so prepare your hyper self..Someone might disagree with you on a MMa forum agian..

I am a grown man, You should take a different approach then your childish ranting.

b.w You most often have very knowledgable post, and I always respected your opinion, even if I disagreed…

But your attitude lacks character..You seem to have to tell everyone how right you are, and even if the poster is saying “I give Forrest Respect” or that “Rampage fought terrible” that is still not good enough for you..

I was routing for Rampage and he lost..I GOT OVER IT!

You were routing for Forrest and he won…AND YOUR STILL NOT OVER IT…

Wow?

i though you were done with my childish rants, apparently not. you wait until today to post! thats why im responding to you now. ill bet it took you all weekend to come up with that score and you probably didnt score the 2nd 10-8 until you saw all the posts over the weekend. all i said was you scoring of the fight wwas pathetic, not you. thats just my opinion. you my friend are the one that is very insecure and cant take any constructive critisizem. your charachecter is the one in question and i think you are a coward. of course i know none of this will bother you since you are an adult and i am a child. LOL!

LMAO!

You can’t fault the UFC for lackluster fights. Obviously, we knew Rampage-Forrest had to happen, and I thought was an exciting fight, regardless of what people think of the outcome. Cote-Almeida was a legitimate No. 1 contender match, so I have no problem with the fight itself. I can’t figure out why neither guy was really fighting to win, but that’s not Dana’s fault. JoeDaddy-Tibau was a good, fast-paced fight with a slick finish. Tyson-Aurelio was boring because Tyson’s stand-up sucks, but it’s better than Aurelio’s and good enough to get a decision. And Koscheck looked the best he’s ever looked in the octagon and was still lame. I could do without ever seeing him again, but that won’t happen. On paper these were all good fights that may not have turned out that way for one reason or another.

PW: If I never saw Koschek fight again, I would be a very happy man….That stupid, wild, over hand right has to go…I am sick of watching him swing like a wild man and miss.

His kicks have improved, but IMO his hands still have a long way to go!

I know its not Dana’s fault…IU was very excited about this event leading up to it…The fights were booked with good intentions, but it didnt work out that way.

I found it to be a lackluster evening…

JOHN. my pc crashed yesterday at about the time thes comments were being made, and i am now at the mercy of the public library system (yeesh you should see some of the wierdos in here) anyway sat nights event wasnt up to snuff to cards in the past, but it wasnt the worst id ever seen (ufc ireland was, franklin/okami) at least there was a title on the line and good match-ups before the fights unfolded. it certantly didnt piss me off though. maybee affliction will make it up for you.

lMAO!! BURN!!!!

V.M. it was his left nut, get your facts straight!