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UFC Quick Quote: Thales Leites not interested in Nate Marquardt rematch

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"I don't think so [take a rematch with Nate Marquardt]. He did a lot of illegal things to me. In my opinion it was his obligation to knock me out in the second round after the illegal knee. If he wants to fight me again I think he should get to the line, and wait in it again. I'm looking for the title-shot. He had his chance before, and he couldn't get it so now it's my time."

-- Thales Leites tells TopGunMMA.com that he has no real interest in a rematch with Nate Marquardt after their first encounter at UFC 85: "Bedlam" on June 7. Leites won the bout via split decision; however, Marquardt had two points deducted for fouls in the three round bout and in the waning seconds of the bout he used a pile driver-type maneuver, which is illegal but was not penalized. With the win Leites takes a considerable step up the 185-pound title contender ladder.

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I pretty much agree with everyone said by Leites.

by Joey 1.0 on Jun 12, 2008 9:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m backing Leites on this one as well. With all the illegal strikes, Marquardt should have been able to finish him, but he didn’t. I think Marquardt won the battle, but Leites won the fight, which is what matters.

Thales Leites vs Ricardo Almieda would be an awesome match. Or either of them vs Rusamar Pallhares (spelling). But he needs to climb the ladder before fighting the 2nd tier MW fighters.

I say Leites vs winner of Cote/Almeida for a title shot.

I saw someone say he should fight Bisping for a title shot. LOL. 2 wins over Tupperware and Jason Day to not get you a tite shot!

Don’t forget that Franklin and Hendo should be fighting by the end of the year.

by ViolentMike on Jun 12, 2008 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Violentmike: I cant disagree with anything you or thales said.

I love the Idea of THales vs. THe winner of Almeida/Cote for a title shot. HOpefully Almeida wins because THales vs. Almeida would be an amazing fight.

I think I stated that tHales should fight Bisping, but I didnt say for a title shot.

I will admit, Cote/Almeida vs. THales is much more appealing!

by john on Jun 12, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’ve been waiting to see Almeida fight again, when are him and Cote fighting.

by James S on Jun 12, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

July 5th. Same night as Rampage vs. Forrest

by john on Jun 12, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

John, I remember you asking me what I thought of Leites as he was one of your favourite up and comers.

I said I would reserve judgement as I hadn’t seen him fight.

Now that I have seen him fight, I wasn’t impressed by his performance (in my best GSP voice)

He is a better dancer: -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCVOnZaG4O0

I still think he is slightly behind his Brazilian counterparts

by Automation on Jun 12, 2008 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good stuff Automation. lol

Thales is the man!

by john on Jun 12, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just curious, I know you can’t manipulate your opponent’s digits. But what about wrists? I mean if you can do ankle locks why not wrist locks? I’m guessing they’re illegal as I’ve never seen any in competition.

by chefdaddy on Jun 12, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wrist locks are too complicted with the whole you can’t grab the opponents gloves rule so its kind of hard to isolate the wrist. And plus wrist locks just aint that easy. I’m not sure if they are legal or not but I don’t think they are a usful weapon so they are abandoned.

by getrawbc on Jun 12, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

by chefdaddy on Jun 12, 2008 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

everything*****

by Joey 1.0 on Jun 12, 2008 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thats low. Marquardt got screwed. I gave Leites the first round. Marquardt the second, and third. The only legit penalty was the knee. So the fight shoulda been a draw.

Leites should man up and give Marquardt another shot. Leites has no chance against Silva.

by stryker on Jun 12, 2008 9:14 AM EDT reply actions  

didn’t leites man up when he carried on fighting after being smashed with that illegal knee!!!

by t-dog on Jun 12, 2008 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

No. But he would’ve been a bitch is he didn’t continue.

by ballhawkdawk on Jun 12, 2008 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

the piledriver was 100% illegal. Just not called.

by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 12, 2008 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought that piledriver was awesome! but yeah, it was illegal…

by linx on Jun 12, 2008 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with stryker. The 1st round was even so lets just give it to Leites. The rest of the fight was total domination by Marquart. The knee was ilegal but not devestating. The elbow was a BS call and a make-up call IMO. The pile driver was ineffective and he had his arms out so it it’s not like he spiked him on his head or anything. Marquart gave 3 solid rounds that Thales could not keep up with. It was an act of desperation. Leites will never be champ. Marquart will beat him 8 times out of 10.

I scored it-
10 9 8 Leites
9 9 10 Marquart
Most lopsided decision ever even worse than Hamill vs Bisping. I am not even a big Marquart fan.

by Billy Carnage on Jun 12, 2008 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

not only was that pile driver illegal, its a fucked up move, can kill ya or cripple you so easy, in my opion, marquardt should be fined for persist fouling, so y should he get a rematch. Plus I’ve gotta say, done a seminar the very next day with thales and he didn’t give a shit about every thing that happened in the fight. He should get the title shot, bisping need to fight a big name before he gets his shot

by t-dog on Jun 12, 2008 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

I didn’t know that. BTW, are all slams illegal now or just the ones where the opponent lands on the head? I’m just so used to pride where slams were legal and wasn’t sure about the UFC as I can’t recall too many instances where this happened (only hughes against trigg, but trigg landed on his body).

by linx on Jun 12, 2008 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Only slams that intentionally try to spike your opponent head first are illegal.

by getrawbc on Jun 12, 2008 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

and the knee after the piledriver was illegal

by GasManShad on Jun 12, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like Marquardt, but up until he landed that illegal knee he was losing the fight, on his feet and on the ground.

by Matt on Jun 12, 2008 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Pile driver was illegal

by matthew on Jun 12, 2008 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Leites vs Bisping sounds good to me… winner would be one big fight from a title shot.

by Nick J on Jun 12, 2008 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Saying that why not should the winner of Bisping Leites get a shot? Everyone else has had a go at Silva!

As long as the fight is won in convincing fashion then give them a crack.

by Nick J on Jun 12, 2008 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Give the guys winning bullshit decisions a go at each other for a title shot. I like it.

by ballhawkdawk on Jun 12, 2008 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bisping hasn’t gone to a decision at M/W?

by Nick J on Jun 13, 2008 5:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’m on the fence with this one, although I can see where he’s coming from because he is loonking for a title shot, he didn’t accomplish a win against marquart. I’d rather have them go into a rematch, but I understand thales. Hey, if anything nate should just have gone by the rules and shouldn’t have left it for the judges to score… Can’t blame anyone but nate himself.

by linx on Jun 12, 2008 9:19 AM EDT reply actions  

i totally agree with Nick. but i also want to see
bisbing get his ass killed. not literally but throw someone good at him. like leben or leites. or cote or almeida(?)

by WickedAwesome on Jun 12, 2008 9:30 AM EDT reply actions  

Leites vs the winner of Cote/Almeida..would be intresting.

by PhilQNY on Jun 12, 2008 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

i like nate but i do agree with leites, now on the other hand i think vera should get a rematch with werdum

by bryant on Jun 12, 2008 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

did everyone forget about kampman

by bellio on Jun 12, 2008 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I’d be interested in seeing Kampman vs Maia.

by khemtawe on Jun 12, 2008 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

I’d be interested in Bisping vs. Kampman and Leites Vs. Almedia. Both on the same card!!!!

by getrawbc on Jun 12, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

heres how i see the next contender:

winner of leites v bisping against winner of cote v almeida gets the title shot

by mr.rice-a-roni on Jun 12, 2008 9:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Leites is right, he could have been badly hurt.

by ro-J on Jun 12, 2008 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

i wanted to see leben vs bisping so bad! that would have been a better fight then jason day.

by vin on Jun 12, 2008 10:54 AM EDT reply actions  

bull crappeth – he did one illegal thing … the knee while being downed. I think that was only becuase he was on his way up. Ridiculous.

by yo mama on Jun 12, 2008 11:20 AM EDT reply actions  

why is the piledriver illegal?? a fighter shouldn’t be capable of doing that to his opponent anyways, but if a fighter thinks he can do that to his opponent, then why not. just like with wandy silva’s old fashion rape choke on jardine, some said that was illegal. why??? if he wants to risk leaving his arm open for an armbar to choke a guy, he should be able to. what’s a front hand choke any different from a rear naked choke. it’s a choke hold. what’s a pile driver any different those rampage or matt hughes slams. a choke is a choke and a slam is a slam no matter how they’re administered!!! it might be embarassing for a fighter to get pile drived or front choked, as it should, those manuevers shouldn’t work on elite fighers, but it shouldn’t be illegal

by duece 4 on Jun 12, 2008 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Any slam where someone is spiked on their head carries such a huge risk of serious injury to the fighter that they should be as strictly punished as possible. Fighting is dangerous, but allowing people to do things that involve a high risk of permanent injury and/or death is just stupid.

Embarassment is the least of the worries of a fighter who gets spiked on their head.

by Sensei John Creese on Jun 12, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

If you go back and watch the footage, Wanderlei was holding down on Keith’s collarbone/shoulder. It was close to his neck, but not enough to constrict his breathing.

by Sean_M on Jun 12, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Its called spiking and it is in the rules and is illegal. Big John was on the fight network talking about the need for standardized reffing and the inconsistency from ref to ref, and in the case of the bald bastard inconsistency from fight to fight. Marquart should be suspended and if he does stuff like that again booted rtfo. He is a boring crap fighter anyways. He was losing and desparate and pissed off for losing points and he had total disregard for leites. Sure it looked cool, but he could have broke his neck.

by Harry Triangle on Jun 12, 2008 12:30 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed. Nate also grabbed the fence twice too. Once in the second and another time in the third. The ref warned him about it.

Anyways, Nate is a good fighter but seems to lack the qualities of a champion.

by bostonmmajunkie on Jun 12, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

marquardt if a boring crap fighter?

wow, shows how many of his fights you’re actually watched.

by JJ on Jun 13, 2008 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

You guys are crazy, he almost got murdered in that fight, Nate is a beast. It’s obvious he dodging him cause he knows a rematch he would get broken in half.

by Liddell-GSP-Edgar on Jun 12, 2008 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I gotta agree 100% with Liddell-GSP-Edgar , The knee was the only thing remotely close too being illegal and I think he was coming up and saw it so stopped. The elbow foul is a joke and the piledriver was nothing more then a slam gone wrong , he wasnt spiking him on his head/neck.

Thales looked like he had been hit by a truck and Nate still looked fresh and rdy too battle after commentary in the ring.

by dayzah on Jun 12, 2008 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL, yeah, he saw the knee and just waited for it LMAO, you guys are great, I needed some laugh :)

by linx on Jun 12, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok yes he didn’t deserve the win because of illegal moves. but for someone to say leites was winning the fight throughout is ridiculous. But sure, after leites’ showing ,let him get in line with the rest of the poor saps being fed to the silva machine. Doesn’t matter really, Almeida will make cote black out then show the same courtesy to leites is quick fashion. Earning a blackbelt in BJJ is very difficult and impressive as is, Almeida got his 3rd strip blackbelt this past march, that is just insane.

by MMAsubb on Jun 12, 2008 1:33 PM EDT reply actions  

I loved the outcome of this fight.

I’m sick of the way this shit usually turns out:

“Watch the back of the head. Watch the back of the head. Watch the back of the head. Ok, next time I’m taking away a point…. Don’t grab the fence. Don’t grab the fence, Don’t grab the fence… gong Look, tell you fighter, next time he does that, I’m taking away a point. Watch that upkick! Watch that…”

All the assholes fighting dirty know they can usually get away with multiple fouls before the ref does anything. On top of that, they know that even if they hurt their opponent really badly with a foul, 9 times out of 10 he’s not going to say he can’t continue (out of fear of hurting his career, the desire to show “heart”, and so on) and will instead go out and fight hurt, making for an easy TKO.

So fuck them, and I for one hope we’ll see more quick and decisive calls on illegal blows, so that dickheads like Marquardt no longer have the incentive to play the odds in this way.

by MattNY on Jun 12, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Almeida is going to get a title shot after he subs Cote. Lutter did it quite easily, so it will be even easier for Almeida. Bisping will then fight Cote, and Thales will fight Kampmann with the winner of that possibly getting the next title shot of the winner of Spider vs. Almeida. I don’t think the UFC knows what they want to do with Okami. Maybe give him Hendo if Hendo loses to Franklin.

by UFCAddict on Jun 12, 2008 5:25 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah Marquardt was definetely winning the fight, but I don’t think it’s even debatable that he lost the first round. Then he scored to fouls to make the last two 9-9 rounds. So good decision.

It sucks for Nate, but you know he looked like a really dirty fighter. It looked like Nate was fightig with his own set of rules and Leites was stuck with UFC rules.

I think you need to dismiss Nate’s dominance in the later rounds as well because Leites did not look like the same fighter after that knee. He looked like he was on rubber stilts from that point on.

I don’t blame Leites for avoiding a rematch. Who wants to fight soem bar-room-brawler that has no respect for the rules.

by Luke on Jun 12, 2008 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Just wondering: Why do fans, viewers give a shit about a piledriver when everyone knows that A) Marquardt KNEW he was gonna get screwed out of the match; there were only 8 seconds left and B) it looked cool as shit?? Seriously, Nate got screwed. The knee screwed up the fight, blah blah blah. No it didn’t. Yeah, he hit Almeida after he got choked in Pancrase. Who cares? It was “legal” to piledrive in Pride, but since it’s illegal in the UFC it makes the fighter a bar room fighter? Nate is a fantastic middleweight. His knee was a second off. Leitas is avoiding the rematch b/c he couldn’t beat Nate, even more so he stands no chance against Bisping. WAR NATE!!

by The Mymus on Jun 12, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions  

cote wins by easy submission 1st rd over almeida. :)

by itsT.O.baby!!! on Jun 12, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Nate beat the snot out of him. Second point was bs. Tombstone was frustration. Thales can take a lickin’ and keep on tickin’ but Anderson will KO him inside 3 minutes.

Thales knows he’d lose to Nate if they fought again. Fair enough he droppped Nate but he couldn’t do anything and Nate recovered and was back dictating the fight by the end of the round. If it was Pride we’d all be calling Nate a total badass…Yes it’s not Pride okay okay.

Tombstone is reprehensible though. Highly illegal but very entertaining as Thales was fine afterwards.

by RobH86 on Jun 12, 2008 10:46 PM EDT reply actions  

leites is afraid to fight him again. he’s using any excuse he can because he KNOWS he will lose if they fight again. he’s afraid and that’s the worst thing that can happen to a fighter.

it’s too bad Thales Leites is that scared, all it says really is that Leites will never amount to anything relevant. he will never get into contender status, he will never get a title shot, and if by some ridiculous miracle he does get a shot he will blow it out of fear.

Thales Leites is afraid. Thales Leites will never amount to anything relevant as a fighter. Thales Leites is afraid just like a 4 yr old little girl is afraid of thunder. Thales Leites has nothing on a 4 yr old.

by JJ on Jun 13, 2008 12:22 AM EDT reply actions  

watched this fight again on setanta last night.we will never know how bad thales was from the illegal knee but he looked ok.it was the gnp that busted him open and put him on queer street imo.apart from dropping nate in the 1st thales was well beaten and had to rely on an elbow to the side of the head(dodgy point deduction)to win this one.dana should make them fight again herbs point deduction was terrible!

by scott on Jun 13, 2008 3:11 AM EDT reply actions  

I don’t think Marquardt should be labelled as a dirty fighter due to what happened in this fight. The knee wasn’t meant to be an intentional foul. I saw it as poorly timed. Leites was on his way up but was a split second from having the knee off the ground. Unfortunately, Thales was not the same in the fight after that. We have seen that the elbow wasn’t in an illegal spot.

  As far as the pile-driver, it looked like Leites had hold of a leg with his right arm which prevented him from being lifted fully. It really appeared to me that Marquardt was attempting a big ol’ powerbomb (ala Rampage-style) which would’ve been completely legit. IMO, it was Leites’ defense that held his head underneath him to get dropped on. I just don’t see any of them as dirty tactics and would think a rematch would be fantastic.

by PJJ on Jun 13, 2008 10:24 AM EDT reply actions  

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