Kimbo Slice vs Brett Rogers: 'Step up or step aside'
by James Iannotti on Jun 4, 2008 1:46 PM EDT
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"We want to fight the best and right now everything; judging by the money, the publicity and the billboards; that is Kimbo. Has Kimbo earned that spot? We are not convinced. So we are calling Kimbo out. If this is a challenge he does not feel ready to accept; that is cool. That we can understand. But it is somewhat unreasonable to ask everyone to play second fiddle – to fight tougher opponents for less money while another fighter makes bank on the also rans. Brett has fought three very tough heavy weights with legitimate skills. The result in every one of those fights was a first round KO. No decisions, no controversy just straight up cart them off wins. Yet every interview and every place he goes he hears Kimbo this, Kimbo that. Hell, if we were not asking to fight Kimbo, Gary would be ashamed of us and would be wondering what type of wimps he had fighting for him. If Kimbo is the badest man on the planet; then lets do this thing. All due respect … step up or step aside."
Elite XC heavyweight fighter Brett Rogers and his camp, Team Bison, issue a formal challenge to Kimbo Slice through a letter posted on his official Web site. In the lengthy letter, Rogers also talks about his future with Elite XC as well as a possible fight against Antonio "Big Foot" Silva. Check it out if you have some time.
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I wouldn’t be suprised if Kimbo faught Jon Murphy next
by braveheart on Jun 4, 2008 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
If he has trouble with Thompson I don’t see where he will fare any better against Murphy.
by Trsigley on Jun 5, 2008 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Look Kimbo is not the this great fighter. He would not last 1 year in the ufc. Guys, don’t sell your self short. GSP would kill Kimbo and I would go as far as saying B.J penn would do it too. So what you have to pay 39.99 to watch the UFC. If you can’t afford 40$ a month and settle for a free fight that nothing but chumps fight. I want fights that look good I don’t want sloppy fighting. You will not see that in the UFC. YOU GUYS MAKE ME SICK JUST THINKING ABOUT (THE OTHERS )
by dquadj on Jun 4, 2008 10:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I would be shocked if Shaw lets this happen. I love the fact that he’s officially calling him out. You either accept or decline.
by chris on Jun 4, 2008 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
kimbo’s charachter hasn’t reached its full creshendo yet, according to shaw, so i would be shocked as well.
by b.w. on Jun 4, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
YESSSSS Hendo would teach him all about PAIN and defeat !!!
by Alex on Jun 20, 2008 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I’d be shocked too, but if Shaw is smart he won’t give in. I’m sure Kimbo would take it though (and he’d loose), but he’s the main player in EliteXC and it would be stupid to throw him against Rogers.
by linx on Jun 4, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
kimbo the man would take the fight, and even though i cant stand shaw he’s not stupid. he will put kimbo against can after can until he cant get by with it anymore and then he will put kimbo up against somebody really good and toss kimbo aside when he loses and anoint the person who beats him as the greatest ever. ha!
by b.w. on Jun 4, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point, I could care less what Grim or Kimbo have to say. Seriously, they are getting so much publicity for what?
I could care less if this fight ever happens, or if they kill each other.
Kimbo has a long way to go, and I am not really sold on Grim either. Dont think he could cut it in the UFC either.
by john on Jun 4, 2008 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
well said john. since when did rogers become a world beater.
by b.w. on Jun 4, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Thats what I am wondering. What has rogers ever shown, besides the ability to KO bums over at EliteXC?
IMO, the only credible HW in EliteXC is Boogfoot….Its not like Grim has ever beaten him, so this too should shut up as well!
If they booked Grim vs. Kimbo, I wouldnt be exactly jumping for Joy.
Onlly fight I want to see, that has a realistic chance of happening since we all know shaw will not match up Kimbo against anyone worth a damn is:
Kimbo vs. Cabbage! That fight would be bad ass!
by john on Jun 4, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And you know what? I’d give it to Cabbage. That guy can take a punch. Or 100 punches. His head must be made of concrete.
by chefdaddy on Jun 5, 2008 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I know MMA math doesn’t always add up, but Cabbage DID lose to Tank via a one-punch KO.
by Pat on Jun 5, 2008 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
So Linx your saying lets hype Kimbo up more and let him fight cans rather than a legit contender to him in Bret Rogers?
by Gameface on Jun 4, 2008 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
that’s not what I want, but that’s what’s going to happen.
by linx on Jun 5, 2008 7:10 AM EDT up reply actions
Looking into all the miscarriages of justice in the name of MMA is fan’fuckin’tastic"… Gary Shaw is a snake oilsman and CBS is the mark! Buuuuut… let’s look ..numbers don’t lie. There’s a demographic of over 6 million viewers for MMA. CBS CEO Les Moonies is a desperate old school stuff shirt among other stuff shirts, that is willing to give MMA a try to win back the #1 Network ratings spot from Fox, but unfortunately Moonves & his cronies doesn’t know the difference between “shit n’ shinola”…
CEO Les Moonves signed a 4 deal contract with Elite XC. QUESTIONS
1. How good is the contract for CBS? Can CBS arbitrarily end the contract with Elite XC?
2. Can the Fertitta’s step in on this one with Dana White to see if a deal with CBS can be struck for the next event? C’mon boys… for the good of MMA!
3. Donald Trump is sharp as hell, will he and the newly acquired Affliction try to sign up with CBS?
3. Is Gary Shaw going to continue on this WWE/MMA road? Or will he recognize that fighters like Carano, Smith, Lawler and Villasenor are the ‘true bright spots’ presented on Saturday’s (spectacle) historic MMA event?
There are so many posible fixes’… Shaw should sign Ortiz as a heavyweight for the next 3 fights n’ KO Kimbo… at least he is a fighter accepted by most MMA fans (‘not necessarily respected’) and the public could have their ‘new’ heavyweight spectacle… I’ll take a MMA UFC ex-champion, on the road to being a ‘has been’ over what was seen on Saturday! Bring Cung Lee, Shamrock, Villasenor, Carano, Smith, Lawler and an any other MMA professional that can make this next CBS/ELITE XC MMA event respectable and entertaining, before it’s too late… as White said… "bring the best foot forward"
by THORAZINE on Jun 4, 2008 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Finally, hopefully brett knocks kimbo out in the first round too, completely agree with him, why is a guy who isn’t even an established mma fighter making the big money and getting all the hype while a guy who’s already somewhat proven himself is stuck fighting for less publicity/cash. Complete crap if you ask me. Kimbo needs to start at the bottom like everyone else, this mass Kimbo fan fair crap over a guy that hasn’t really done anything in mma is getting old real fast.
by O damn he got caught on Jun 4, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
With the exception that Lesnar has some real wrestling/ground skill. Not just knock out power.
by Jeff on Jun 4, 2008 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Just to add. Lesnar was thrown to Mir w/ no jits in his background and he was not featured as THE UFC poster boy. Just my 2…
by OJR on Jun 4, 2008 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Lesnar is not fighting cans….HUGE difference.
by Dana Blanco on Jun 4, 2008 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
lesnar is an athlete , a bonfide wrestler with credentials , he will fight soon and will show marked gains in his skill, both rogers and slice are CANS. put them in the can aisle , and let them be,
by robd on Jun 4, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Big difference! Lesnar fought Frank Mir in his second fight and now in his third fight is fighting Herring, who in IMO is more dangerous then Mir was. UFC has no can fights big difference.
by Robert on Jun 4, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions
this kinds feels like shaw is the person behind the hype of this fight either way i would not mind seeing this fight happen. I just do not want the ganon fight after her was destroyed by BLH
by wolfe on Jun 4, 2008 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
Shaw aint the one behind the Kimbo hype dude 15+ million internet fans are behind it(just 1 of his vids has 6 million hits)…thats what yall dont understand THE PEOPLE LIKE DUDE…not because of his ability to do a Judo sweep, or defend a RNC, or hip out of bad GNP position, they like what he represents. The struggle, the grind, bare knuckle, any means necessary come up, the American Dream from living in a Pathfinder to having 5 million people searching for your fights to having 6 million tune in to see you fight, to making 300 to knock out Bird (when he just stood there and let dude give him3 free punches that cemented his legend) in a backyard to making 500,000 to knock out Tank Abbott.
Kimbo would be a fool to take “from the bottom up kind of money” you do that when nobody knows you or cares who you are. But when you can fill an arena on your 3rd fight and make 6 million people sit home and watch you on Sat you gotta get paid. And I guarantee you the next time he fights it will be the same #‘s the average fan who tuned in ENJOYED THE SHIT OUT OF HIS FIGHT. But people who tuned in hoping to see him execute a triangle choke from the guard (all 12 of them ) are the only people talking the discrace shit. Respect Kimbo’s grind!!
by Kam on Jun 4, 2008 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions
No. You shut up. Kam just spoke the truth.
All he did was state facts. What are you getting on his case for?
by ViolentMike on Jun 4, 2008 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I respect the Grind for sure…..That is thhe most impressive part about Kimbo….He is a self marketing Genius! To think about where he came from, and where he is…Talk about a success story!
Look for me on you tube, I will go on a campaign to go all over Drexel Universities Campus (all 7 blocks of it) and just Knock people out, post it on the net, and see what happens…. lol
Actualy, I would prefer walking a couple bocks down and start knocking out University of Penn TOOLS!!!
by john on Jun 4, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
If its a good fight Ill watch!
So you can count on at least one hit on youtube.
by Kam on Jun 4, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
ViolentMike doesn’t it just make it a circus then, which is what they are trying to get away from.
by Nuts on Jun 5, 2008 5:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, but the blame can’t be put on Kimbo. It can only be put on Gary Shaw and the EliteXC head hanchos
by ViolentMike on Jun 5, 2008 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions
the "sold out arena was 8000 people and alot were probably comped, whlie wec sold over 10,000 and probably didnt give hardly any tickets away and also wasnt nearly as hyped by the media likie elite xc . the #s wont be the same for kimbos next fight, they will either be better or much worse. your right in the fact that the casual fan loves kimbo and probably make up his biggest audience, but with as much negative reactions from sat night that could change. i can remember when my nephew saw the previews to kimbo/tank and was telling me if i was gonna watch the this great ufc fight. he didnt know the difference and i straightned him out quick about the difference between elite and the ufc.the ratings only peaked at 6.5 but averaged on the whole a 4.7, still the highest ever. if any of the hardcore fans or even semi hardcore are neilson homes, the ratings will drop bad. even if its just one or two thats a million form each household. eventually kimbo will get tired of all the crap and demand to gary shaw that he fights a good fighter who calls him out. if he wants to be taken seriuosly he will have too. i think if kimbo had come around about 6 years earlier things would be diferent. i think he is a pretty good athelete and did show alot of heart against thompson. well im just rambling now, but i do see that you are one of kimbos starchest fans and i can actually admire that just like i admire the mexicutioner for wanting to boycott elite xc. i think you might be fairly new to this site so ive only seen your comments on kimbo. who else do you like , do you hate dana? like i hate shaw. its nice to get other feedback besides just one fighter.
by b.w. on Jun 4, 2008 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
The 15 million people who know how to type the word ‘Kimbo’ into a search engine may be the ones who created the hype behind Kimbo, but Scumbag Shaw is the one cashing in on it. Average Joe On The Street does not watch him to see a homeless guy made good, he watches to see some doofus get his skull caved in. Grim is going to continue to trash Kimbo at every opportunity. Scumbag Shaw will be left with two options: either put together a Rogers-Kimbo fight where Kimbo will in all likelihood be completely exposed as an overhyped fraud; or duck him and acknowledge that Kimbo is being put in against grossly mismatched opposition because a bunch of bloodthirsty morons want to see a carnival act.
by PW on Jun 4, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
@BW…I do like Kimbo but I like Alot of fighters more:
Rampage
Faber
Stann
Crazy Horse (sue me)
Huges
Bisbing
Silva
Vera
Alves
Chung Le
Guida
Kongo
Alexander
Ax Murderer
and no I dont hate Dana, but I hate HATERS. Why do you have to down talk and disrespect somebody elses hustle (EXC. and all leagues) just to make your organization look big. Where UFC was just starting out Dana was humble and just taking whatever pub he could get, now UFC is growing he’s on so “everybody else is just minor league..they suck…were the best” shit.
When the XFL was around I didnt see NFL owners and coaches hating on it, they KNEW they were the best and the cream would eventually rise to the top and it did.
Besides I’m a FIGHTER fan, I couldnt care less about White or Shaw or Cuban or whoever because when its all said and done they will have millions what about the fighters though?
He reminds me of a uncle I had growing up he was always talking about how much money he was getting, how he was so rich and better than everybody else, but when you asked him for 1.00 to get some candy he would be on some ol’ Im broke shit.
Dana talks about how great he and the org are. but what he pays the fighters is crazy low. and then they only fight sometimes once, twice a year. So for 30,000 a fight (before taxes)at once maybe two fights a year you make less than a school teacher.
Pay fighters and dont drag people down to make yourself look good.
by Kam on Jun 4, 2008 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
you dont hate dana. boy with those comments you sure coulda fooled me!
by b.w. on Jun 4, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
i’m also a big Heath Hearing fan.. which makes it difficult that he is fighting Brock Lesnar, i don’t want to have to pick sides!!! i like them both!
by kitsunex on Jun 4, 2008 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Well I have heard its not just the fight money they get from UFC, they a get alot more besides. Jardine said when he was asked about the money that he never thought he would ever earn this amount of money.
So he can’t be talking about just his fight money of $10,000, I am pretty sure they get money for excepting a fight as well. Plus all the publicity they get its only good for them and their sponsorship.
by Nuts on Jun 5, 2008 5:36 AM EDT up reply actions
DAMN U TOLD THE TRUTH!!!! When I wanna watch real mma I plan to purchase UFC pay-per-view and enjoy myself. But when I watch Kimbo I don’t think of MMA I think of a movie where a homeless man goes all the way to the top. I don’t give a damn if he’s good or not I’m just proud of him and I root for him because he’s black(like me) struggled (like me), but more importantly he’s humble and a nice guy but looks dangerous as hell! I bet there isn’t one of u teenage white suburban kids that’s trashing limbo that wouldn’t take $500,000 to fight in a cage if u lived in a damn car? So what’d the problem?!! He’s not arrogant and learning all he can. He’s making a living for his family. And YOU America LOVE IT, because u are downloading his brawls and tuning in to his fights! Again, Kimbo I love the movie and I have no problem watching it and switching to REAL mms from time to time too
by ihatebrawlers on Jun 5, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Kimbo didnt even earn half of 500.000 for the Tank fight.
As for the american dream… i never thought that was supposed to start out as a back alley brawler.
And as for all the people who tuned in to enjoy his fight Kam??? Im assuming you’re saying that they just wanted to see Kimbo knock someone out (since they were not interested in chokes)… which is exactly what the problem is. Put any name on that fight other than MMA and i’d be happy too (although i think that statement is unfair on Thompson).
Oh, and by the way, all those people that tuned in, didn’t get what they wanted…
by chris on Jun 5, 2008 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
rogers would demolish ‘slice’ kimbo into another dimension with the clinch. no pun intended
by mr.rice-a-roni on Jun 4, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
i meant to say “rogers would ‘slice’ kimbo into another dimension with the clinch” forgot to take out the demolish part
by mr.rice-a-roni on Jun 4, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Shaw already stated in a post fight interview on Saturday night that Rodgers would not be fighting Kimbo next. He stated Rodgers needs to understand that it is all about the “dollars”.
by TD on Jun 4, 2008 2:02 PM EDT reply actions
I think this fight would bring in more $$$ than kimbo fighting a can.
by Matt A on Jun 4, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Shaw is such a douche. BOYCOTT EliteXC! Dana, Sign Rodgers!
by the_mexicutioner on Jun 4, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Sign Rogers??? You are kidding me, right? IMO, he’s no where near ready for the big leagues! He may have KO’d that poor sucker last Saturday, but he is not so very skilled himself. He’d take Kimbo, but that’s not really saying much, is it?
by 2BAD4U on Jun 4, 2008 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I think kimbo would beat grim. He leaves himself open too much. That said, I’m bored with the topic. We got a ppv saturday and are still talking kimbo. A less experienced brock lesner would defeat him in under a minute
by kevin on Jun 4, 2008 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah mate Kimbo would beat Grim… and maybe he would beat Liddell, Big Nog & Arlovski aswell
Get Real
by braveheart on Jun 4, 2008 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions
We don’t agree on much, but this one I’m 100 percent with you on.
by getrawbc on Jun 4, 2008 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s what I’m sayin Kev! I already said everything I have to say about this situation. So what I’ll do is copy/paste part of my comment I made on Monday in the thread with the Brett Rogers interview saying Kimbo tapped:
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Brett Rogers is going to have to keep on running his mouth right in Kimbo’s face every opportunity he gets. The only way this fight happens, is if Kimbo DEMANDS it. James Thompson OWNED Kimbo in the first round. Rogers fought Thompson at the same event as Kimbo/Tank and Rogers KO’d him out cold in about 1 minute. Brett is still a newcomer to the sport, but he has a solid wrestling background. I thought that Rogers would have been much more taller than Kimbo. At the press conference, he only looked a little taller.
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NOW, with that said, it looks like The Grimm is doing the only thing he can to try and get this fight booked. He needs Kimbo to demand the fight from Gary Shaw in order to shut Rogers up. I’m not saying Kimbo would win, but that needs to be Kimbo’s mindset. Basically, Rogers needs to play mind games with him and Shaw to make the fight happen.
by ViolentMike on Jun 4, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
The “that’s what I’m sayin Kev” was in regards to “lets start talking about UFC 85”, it wasn’t in regards that I think that Kimbo would beat Rogers. In fact, I think Brett would destroy Kimbo. Everyone knows it including Gary Shaw. That is the only reason the fight isn’t going to happen. Actually, Kimbo should have fought Rogers this past Saturday Night. At the Kimbo/Tank event, Rogers fought Thompson and KO’d him in like 1 minute. The guy that gets KO’d in a minute gets the main event and the KO’er gets the 1st fight on the card.
by ViolentMike on Jun 4, 2008 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
exactly, Kimbo is fighting the level of guys being knocked out by grim!!
by kevin on Jun 4, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s excellent self marketing by Grim. He’s a B level fighter at best, but he’ll get a popularity boost if he becomes the guy who beat Kimbo.
by chefdaddy on Jun 5, 2008 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions
i agree wolfe a fight with gannon whould be just another senseless beating it is time for kimbo to step up and a fight with rogers would be good a one im ready for this kimbo hype train to be derailed and rogers or big foot whould be the men for the job and maybe then shaw could start focusing on the real talent like reis,lawler,pee wee,and many others
by jimmy v on Jun 4, 2008 2:09 PM EDT reply actions
Honestly, if he were to fight Gannon, my money would be on Gannon!
by ViolentMike on Jun 4, 2008 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions
if that fight happens, I’m canceling showtime and will never watch elite again. that goes for ken shamrock or mike tyson too!
by kevin on Jun 4, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I think it would be a close fight, but I have my doubts that Kimbo would come out on top. He couldn’t put Thompson away on his feet in due time, and Rodgers is much more brutal.
by KneeToTheFace on Jun 4, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, but this time Gannon can use knees and chokes unlike last time.
“No knees! No choking!”
Its a street fight… sissies.
by Sean_M on Jun 4, 2008 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Gary already said in a interview with mmarated.com that this fight won’t be happening anytime soon. Brett did a radio interview this morning down here in Miami and pretty much said the same thing, the DJs also said they will be talking with Kimbo with in the next couple of days and said they will conference Brett in so he could personaly challenge him, should be interesting. It was kind of funny, after the interview he asked if he could thank his sponsers and then listed off a bunch of companies, it sounded like a post fight interview. He even thanked Big Black.
by Haze on Jun 4, 2008 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
He is part of Big Black’s security company. Or they sponsor him. Big Black was with him at ringside and he had the shirt on
by getrawbc on Jun 4, 2008 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he part of BB security or does he hire BB security to walk him down to the ring?
If he wants to be a serious MMA champ he needs to be devoting all his time to training. He still looks a bit soft in his belly and sides.
by ViolentMike on Jun 4, 2008 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I know who he is, the guy that had the MTV show. It just sounded strange to thank all your sponsers when you call in to a radio show.
by Haze on Jun 4, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I am sure Rogers will be fighting Big Foot next, and I’m 100% sure Big Foot will come out victorious.
by linx on Jun 4, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions
That’s exactly what’s going to happen. He calls out the Elite XC cash cow and will wind up fighting a legit heavyweight instead of Kimbo. To me, the funny thing is all the props Rogers is getting. It’s not like he’s calling out Randy or Fedor.
by Matthew on Jun 4, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would he call out fighters that fight for other promotions or no promotion at all? Sure EliteXC co-promotes but I don’t see any of those fights ever happening
by ViolentMike on Jun 4, 2008 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
VM, my point is that he gets props for calling out a guy who has a grand total of three fights. It’s not like he’s calling out a guy who is at the top of the heap. This is all about Rogers trying to cash in on Kimbo’s hype. I don’t begrudge him for doing so, but this is about Rogers trying to put coin in his pocket.
by Matthew on Jun 4, 2008 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He is also calling out the guy who makes the lion share of the money for the promotion. Not only does he get to take out the poster boy but would probably get a bump in sponsor money with a Kimbo fight. Dolla Dolla Bills Yall!
by Trsigley on Jun 5, 2008 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that Antonio Silva would have murdered Ricco Rodriguez. The dude was basically fresh out of rehab and completely fat and out of shape. He went 3 rounds with Big Foot and it was a VERY close fight.
Big Foot against Brett Rogers is in no way a guaranteed win for Big Foot. He would be the favorite, but not like a -500 favorite.
by ViolentMike on Jun 4, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t know VM, from the fights I’ve seen from Big Foot, I’m willing to give him a break for his fight with Rodrigues, supposedly he was injured (knee injury), I’m not trying to make excuses but I’m willing to give him a break. If future performances are the same than I’ll give in.
by linx on Jun 4, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Big Foot looked SUPER impressive against Cabbage and Jonathan Wiezorek. But Cabbage is just a punching bag and Jonathan Wiezorek’s record was something like 10-10
by ViolentMike on Jun 5, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah, I just remember his fights with cabbage and tom erikson, they’re not A level guys, but tom only lost to big names. I looked up Wiezorek’s record, he’s actually 11-2. Still, ricco was junior’s biggest name to fight so far, and he did look terrible (and ricco didn’t look too much like an athelet). I’m still willing to give big foot a pass though, he comes from a great camp and has ties with big nog. his next couple of fights should tell us where he’s at in the game.
by linx on Jun 5, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
thats a fight i would like to see. i agree. rogers is a decent fighter, but i dont know if he’s a world class fighter yet. hopefully they will make this a title fight and build up silva some, who actully deserves it. ive heard before that shaw might cross-promote with the ifl and have kimbo fight big country-roy nelson. i cant see that happening now cuz nelson is probably more dangerous than rogers.
by b.w. on Jun 4, 2008 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions
id put my money on nogs beating both these cans at the same time
by shad on Jun 4, 2008 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
id bet the house on that. my house actually. maybee not at the same time, but on the same night definetly.
by b.w. on Jun 4, 2008 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions
This would look like Randy Couture tossing those 180-pounders around on Pros vs. Joes.
by PW on Jun 4, 2008 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
kimbo’s next fight opponents include…butterbean, kalib starnes, or ken shamrock probably. its a toss up.
btw, am i the only person who wants to see this fight b/c it will pit the two worst haircuts in mma history???
by bobby o'shea on Jun 4, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
I cant wait to see Kimbo get sliced up. I was NOT impressed with any part of his game last Sat.
I dont understand why he is being hyped so much when legit fighters who have been training hard for years arent getting the exposure he is.
He is old and has just a year or so left. No cardio, no ground game cant wait to se him get submitted or knocked the F out. nuff said
by Tobias808 on Jun 4, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
Correction Kimbo has like 60 million hits probably more I got tired of counting
by Kam on Jun 4, 2008 2:44 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone catch “Inside MMA” on HDNet last week? Gary Shaw’s kid (EliteXC VP) was talking tough that whoever was calling out Kimbo better be ready to back up their words. But after this weekend I am sure there would be a lot of guys calling Kimbo out, I just didn’t expect it from EliteXC fighters but I can completely understand why. From what I saw Kimbo was pretty much exposed and his aura was shattered as a legit MMA player at this point. EliteXC is overhyping and Kimbo cannot deliver. I understand he is new to the game but lets please tone down the hype train there Gary.
by CAP on Jun 4, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions
i saw it and saw right throgh jason shaw. hes his fathers son. kimbo would fight the guys who call him out, but they wont let him.
by b.w. on Jun 4, 2008 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I saw that, he was all talk. He also said they had a few fighters that could head to head with the UFC but he never said who.
by JV on Jun 4, 2008 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
This is a fight that should happen but in reality it won’t. Gary Shaw isn’t going to let his golden goose get into the cage with a real fighter would will come after Kimbo with bad intentions. If I was a betting man they are going to look for someone that has a name but is shot. Ken Shamrock comes to mind, I think that if this was the UFC Rogers vs Kimbo would definitely be made but Gary Shaw is after the quick buck is isn’t trying to improve mma in general with the best fights.
by Tim on Jun 4, 2008 2:58 PM EDT reply actions
if kimbo doesn’t accept, that makes both himself, and EliteXC a bunch of hypocrites. i was watching an older ep of InsideMMA and the guests were Kimbo, and Shaw’s son, who is the VP of EliteXC. and he said “If you call out Kimbo, and i don’t care who you are or which organization you are in, you better be prepared to back them up and fight kimbo.”
well kimbo been called out and Grim seems like he’s ready to back up his words and fight. so put up or shut up Shaw.
by kitsunex on Jun 4, 2008 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
Hey Danna snatch this guy up, he’s a class act in a pool of filth.
Brett I wouldn’t even bother, go fight tougher fighters, you don’t need those blemishes on your record, if you win you beat a fraud. I don’t think it’s even worth it.
Please Nick Diaz leave that Sh!t Show.
by ro-J on Jun 4, 2008 3:18 PM EDT reply actions
People are too hard on Kimbo, for his real fourth fight he looked decent, his punches and his stand up is pretty good, his ground game is better than average, and he is strong as an ax. His only weekness is his gas tank and conditioning. Bas Rutten need to step up on that, however Kimbo’s age has something do with that. I see Kimbo will be new and improved come next fight.
by Danablk on Jun 4, 2008 3:20 PM EDT reply actions
Better than average on the ground??? Yeah right he didnt even know how to close his guard.
by yoda on Jun 4, 2008 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, a below-average ground fighter would have taken about 80 straight elbows and punches to the head from side mount instead of just 60 or 70.
by PW on Jun 4, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I think you meant strong as an OX. And he weaknesses include no ground game what so ever, wild, looping punches, no take down defense, and no cardio. Yea were all too hard on the guy. Hell he is 3-0 against guys with a combined record of 8-22 in their last 10 fights each.
by Eric on Jun 4, 2008 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Am I seriously the only one that thinks Brett Rogers is a good match-up for Kimbo? Sure Rogers might be a better overall MMA fighter, but all of his wins have come via strikes. Since when is Kimbo not a good striker? If these two fight it will be a stand-up war and from what I’ve seen, Kimbo has better stand-up…
by Darren on Jun 4, 2008 3:21 PM EDT reply actions
Its all about money, Dana has a huge roster to pick from, he don’t need Diaz, he got way too many fighters at 170lbs.
by Danablk on Jun 4, 2008 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t know if Kimbo has overall better stand up than Rogers, but Kimbo can take a punch, and his left hook right uppercut combo is Murder !!!
by Danablk on Jun 4, 2008 3:25 PM EDT reply actions
Taking this is actually a win-win for EliteXC. If Kimbo gets shot by Grim, then suddenly you have a new superstar, “the man who defeated Kimbo”. Unfortunately, I think they know that their eggs in that one basket are now soft, and I don’t think they’ll be that savvy.
by ARodOfIron on Jun 4, 2008 3:33 PM EDT reply actions
I want to see this fight but a thompson rematch also.
by Tony on Jun 4, 2008 3:51 PM EDT reply actions
Can we not compare Kimbo to Brock Lesnar please! Brock is on a way different level and faces much better competition. He doesn’t have gimme matches like Mr. Slice.
by LongIslandguy on Jun 4, 2008 3:56 PM EDT reply actions
does anybody remember before sat night, shaw was talking about cross-promoting with the ifl and have kimbo fight big country roy nelson. i can guarantee you thats a no-go now.
by b.w. on Jun 4, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions
great match up i expect a stand up fight, there will be a k.o. guarantee in this. I don’t care who wins as long somebodys gettin knock’d out is all i wanna see. i wanna see Rogers knock Kimbo out but if Kimbo wins that’s cool no problem with that i like both of them.
by Ro on Jun 4, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
thats hillarious…there’s now way shaw is going to let kimbo fight and kimbo does not want this fight just yet…ready for another publicity stunt??
by XxXFactor on Jun 4, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions
god what are they gunna say next kimbo slive vs wayne weems! When this bloke fights someone who is a someone we will care, Elite xc promoting this guy all the time is desperation if you ask me. Cage Rage has its own stars which are legitimet i.e Vitor Belfort Ian Freeman etc, WEC has big names Urijah Faber,Jens Pulver etc Affliction-Fedor,Tim Sylvia, Babalu. Elite xc are desperate promoting this chav street fighter. In my opinion there best bet is Tito Ortiz.
by ellbnell123 on Jun 4, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions
Hell if they want to make a real event put Kimbo in with Tito. As much as Tito drives me nuts sometimes the dude is still a very good fighter and would wipe the floor with Kimbo. However the plus side would be that his name wouldn’t lose as much dropping a fight to Tito as it would be to Grim due to the fact Tito is still a legend in the sport and the fight could bring in big bucks.
by Tim on Jun 4, 2008 5:41 PM EDT reply actions
I have a question for you Tim lets chop it up for a sec. Have you ever heard Kimbo say “Im the best” “I ready to fight the best MMA has” “Im unbeatable”
Everything out of his mouth has been
Im learning
Im training
Im just getting started
I got a looong way to go
So why would you have him fight a top guy?
It doesnt make sense. Look at Lessnar LOTS of people wanted to see him fight, the weeks and months before the fight he was on Sports center, cnn, all over the tv and internet. People wanted to see him fight. He looses in the first round first minute and thats it now nobody is checking for him. Thats not good business. Why would you have him fight a BJJ guy? Let the guy get his feet wet. I just dont understand the thought process to having new guys fight the best guys or hardest guys right out of the gate.
Cro cop
Henderson and a few more could have benifited from some cans.
by Kam on Jun 4, 2008 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Wrong, I am not paying for fighters to fight cans. I want to see a real fight, who is the best at that weight class – who is the best a supersized championship wrestler or BJJ guy??? Plus Brock wasn’t far from winning that fight, and I am pretty sure next time round he would.
How can you say the same about CroCop and Henderson, they were both world class champions with Pride. If I was Henderson and I was given a can and I would be like ‘Are you taking the piss’??? You are showing them no respect by doing that.
However, for Kimbo I understand that is the case. But it is not his fault but EliteXC’s fault for hyping him so. What do you expect when you at the top of the tree people are always going to knock you down.
If anything I would be upset if I was Bigfoot because after all he is their champion, not that you would think so. And this is the danger EliteXC are in they are playing the Kimbo is champ card and to be honest when Bigfoot leaves, which he will, for them showing him no respect they will become a C class fighting organisation.
by Nuts on Jun 5, 2008 5:49 AM EDT up reply actions
i think kimbo will make a step up in fighting tougher opponent, that in mind dana white is the ideal opponent!
by gazzy99 on Jun 4, 2008 6:15 PM EDT reply actions
I think the only way for shaw to get people to want Kimbo to fight ANYONE else is to have him fight Sean Gannon. Everyone wants to see it. Kimbo would train like crazy to remove that blemish from his record PLUS he just endured his toughest fight to date (you learn a lot from that sort of thing) If he fights Gannon next, you can bet we will see the best Kimbo we have ever seen.
by RyanHobbs on Jun 4, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
that still doesent mean hes any good, sean gannon came to ufc and got destroyed.
by ellbnell123 on Jun 4, 2008 7:30 PM EDT reply actions
I figured it out……all of you guys that hype up Kimbo and say he can beat anyone…..You live close to him and he knows who you are so you can’t say anything. I can understand that. I would be like “Kimbo the man” if he lived beside me too. But since I live in the woods in West Virginia I can’t see him moving in anytime soon so Kimbo needs to fight that Gina girl next……But she did look good so I don’t know who he could fight and win.
by Brian on Jun 4, 2008 8:50 PM EDT reply actions
they both suck id rather watch to fish fight outta water.. wait sorry it’d be the same damn thing =[.. i respect kimbo for what hes doing to make his money and all his story but dude you need a new camp and to shutup and shut shaw up and just fight saying you’ll fight anybody sets you up from comments like rogers made..
by randy murders on Jun 4, 2008 9:06 PM EDT reply actions
Gannon may not be a great fighter, but he was still the first man to ever defeat kimbo. Maybe they could bring gannon in to fight rogers….then the winner gets kimbo. Or gannon vs. thompson….winner gets a rematch.
by RyanHobbs on Jun 4, 2008 11:28 PM EDT reply actions
they might not have a choice to put Brett up against Kimbo, to save whatever face the thug has left.
But in reality, it doesn’t matter whats going on at the circus people still show up and watch the freakshow.
We have to stop watching this crap, I don’t care if we have to tune in to old re-runs of Oprah and Dr. Philth to do it. and when I say crap I mean every organization under the pro elite banner.
by ro-J on Jun 5, 2008 7:22 AM EDT reply actions
it looks like if any fight with kimbo goes to the ground he is gonna get gassed. kimbo should have tried his hands at boxing rather than mma.
by terriblegolfer on Jun 5, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions
now from all these comments dont you all finally understand why kimbo is so large look at the discussion he provokes ,,,need i say more
by bigface on Jun 6, 2008 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
If Kimbo wants to keep fighting for show then it wouldn’t be smart to match him up with Rogers or anyother provin mma fighter. He will be better off just staying with exibition fights. Some like former UFC Heavy wieght Kimo or even a match with Bob Sapp. You would be sure to get an entertaining fight and he would have to worry about provig himself. He’s not ready and its not his fault. Any of us would take the money hes getting to be a side show. But to be a true MMA fighter would take yrs. I hope that he can make it one day, but right now it looks like they are setting him up to fail.
by Mark on Jun 20, 2008 1:29 PM EDT reply actions
I KNOW IN ANY SPORT YOU HAVE TO START FROM THE BOTTOM WITH KIMBO HE IS DOING JUST THAT HE REALLY HAS NO SKILLS IN GRAPLING OR MMA WHICH HE IS A LITTLE WEAK AT BUT IN REALITY KIMBO IS A STREET FIGHTER KEEPING IT REAL HONESTLY I WOULDNT EVEN WATCH MMA IF IT WASNT FOR KIMBO HE IS BRINGING PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF TO MMA TO MAKE IT AS BIG AS BOXING OR WRESTLING. IF YOU DOWN HIM FOR THAT THEN YOU REALLY DONT HAVE LOVE FOR THE SPORT. THAT WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO MOST PEOPLE THAT GLORIFY HIM LIKE MYSELF CAME TO WATCH MMA BECAUSE OF HIM NOW THAT I WATCH IT I SEE OTHER COOL COMPETITORS OUT THERE BUT IF IT WASNT FOR KIMBO I WOULD STILL JUST WATCH BOXING AND THATS THE TRUTH OF THE MATTER BE AT LEAST GREATFUL FOR THAT.
by TONE DAWG on Jun 20, 2008 4:48 PM EDT reply actions
Kimbo Boombaye!!!
Kimbo Boombaye!!!
Representing the bottom bitches and you just don’t understand.
There aren’t any silver spoons being passed around down here so you all stop hating because another young brother has come from shit to champagne. Put a stamp sign and seal it he’s certified>
by Big Dog 44 on Jul 8, 2008 5:57 PM EDT reply actions
Kimbo shouldn’t talk like he is the man to beat in mma when he scared to fight Brett Rogers. Kimbo is obviously getting hand picked apponents like his last fight. He fought that oger who already lost to Rogers but because he had the more popular name for his fighting in pride he got to fight Kimbo even though he’s a Bum and Kimbo was still gonna lose that fight if it wasn’t for that ear.
So for you Kimbo fans Slice can throw down, just not in the cage against anyone dicsent.
Kimbo is there because he attracts people and makes money for the promoters not for his fighting skills.
It makes Elite XC look like what they are a B level show with B level fighters. Except for Gina Carano.
by Block on Jul 15, 2008 5:45 PM EDT reply actions
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