Eye of the beholder: 10-9 for Kimbo in second round
by Jesse Holland on Jun 2, 2008 11:45 PM EDT
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It seemed -- whether it was by coincidence or not -- that everybody was doing their part to make sure that Kimbo Slice defeated James Thompson at Elite XC: "Primetime" at the Prudential Center in Newark, N.J. on May 31.
However, the judge in question should have picked a less decisive round to do it -- Kimbo took 71 consecutive unanswered blows starting from 1:20 until the end of round two.
To check out the video of Kimbo "winning" round two click here.
Conspiracy theorists ... conspire.
Keep in mind that Elite XC does not hire judges nor appoint them to score certain fights. That's the responsibility of the state athletic commission, which is its own entity and completely separate from Elite XC or any other promotion for that matter.
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this speaks volumes to me. the 2nd rnd should be 10-8 for thompson. somebody(shaw) paid this judge off.
by b.w. on Jun 2, 2008 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He probably paid off more than one but with the way the fight was going, to have the balls to go through with it while Kimbo isnt even making this fight close would have been suicide and a job altering dicision. Who knows though, and i said my apologies to you bro below for my rant but its being moderated or something, read it though please.
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was absolutely NO WAY that Kimbo was going to lose his first fight on CBS – not a chance. That’s why the odds on him started skyrocketing upwards on Friday afternoon. People knew it!
For the sake of the sport, I hope the fight wasn’t fixed. Obviously, the fight was not 100% fixed. If it was, then Thompson would have been in on it as well and would not have taken Kimbo down to the ground. Knowing that Thompson has a glass chin, Gary Shaw would have offered Thompson like a $150K bonus for keeping the fight standing and not going for a takedown. Or if the fight was fixed thru the judges, they sure didn’t do a good job, because going into the 3rd round, Kimbo had no shot at winning a decision. However, Big Dan Miragliotta made a couple suspioious standups during the fight. I am about to listen to the Dan Miragliotta interview right now. And as for the stoppage, it really wasn’t the worst stoppage ever. He was truely rocked, and Kimbo was about to pounce on him with a devastating right square on the chin. Or actually, he would have kept targeting the ear, like he had said. But in that moment when he is hurt, you go for the chin.
by ViolentMike on Jun 3, 2008 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ViolentMike;..well said, I totally agree…
I did listen to the interview, and I thought it was a very good conversation..It was alot easier to listen to that, then to get dizzy reading all the complete hatered…Dan makes some good points..
I dont think the fight was 100% fixed at all, and like you said, I aswell hope it wasn’t fixed in any way “for the sake of the sport”…
But to cancle out people who could have made an effect on the out-come..
-Thompson(definatly not..VM explained that)
-Judges(VM explained that aswell).
-Gary Shaw.(VM touched on that, but I think aswell ‘if" Gary wanted to fix it? why would he let Kimbo look so bad…Like VM said “he would have paid off Thompson”
Because next to Kimbo himself’ Gary Shaw is the last person that wants Kimbo to be exposed…
Gary wants Kimbo to kill everyone, so he can keep promoting him as “the next big thing”…
So (imo) Gary is kinda out aswell..But I really dont like this guy..Shaw is responsible for a horrible WWF type production…The fights were good though..
The only people I could hold responsible, for some of the “bad calls” is CBS…
I really dont think the fights were fixed..
by Stagger-Lee on Jun 3, 2008 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Dan said that he only got $250 per fight that he referees. No wonder why Big John retired!
by ViolentMike on Jun 3, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha. That made me laugh out loud!!!!!!!
by ViolentMike on Jun 3, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The biggest problem in what happened Saturday was that EliteXc and CBS had way too much influence over the NJAC decisions. New Jersey as been holding mma fights for a long time, and I have NEVER seen a poorer job done by the commision! It seems as though the whole commision bent over, and became eliteXc’s and CBS’s puppet…..Which STINKS!!! The NJAC should be independent and have ultimate control over everything….Not be influenced by an organization or a network!
by john on Jun 3, 2008 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been tough on you John, this is the truest statement I’ve read! I don’t know who was runing things, but CBS/Elite had more to lose than NJSAC!
by kevin on Jun 3, 2008 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I have been trying to say all week. U judged the event as a whole, I just looked at the fights….We all know that the fighters werent exacvtly top 10 mma fighters, so I thought they put on decent performances…..If the Ref’s and the doctors would have done their JOBS it would have been much better. But Overall it was trash…..However I expected that!
The UFC NEVER has that kind of influence over the athletic Commisions, it must have cost Gary Shaw Big buck$$$ to pull that off!
Event sucked, fights…..entertaining when u take into consideration the inadequate talent level and all the Questionable things that happened through out the night.
I wiull however agree, that it was really bad for MMA!
by john on Jun 3, 2008 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
even more proof it was fixed. it was lindland/ rampage all over again
by javster on Jun 2, 2008 11:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow…I think most people will have some type of WTF type of comment. If Elite XC had any credibility left, this killed it. They should have burnt this scorecard and got rid of the evidence.
by Shadyone33 on Jun 2, 2008 11:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow. just wow. that is disgusting. about as disgusting as Thompson’s ear.
by dakilla on Jun 2, 2008 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is absolutely disgusting. Yeah it is a good thing Gary Shaw is such a reputable promoter. HAd it been a different promoter I may have questioned the judges motives.
by Da Monkey on Jun 2, 2008 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a joke… Theres gotta be some kind of petition against eliteXC i can sign
by Leeward on Jun 2, 2008 11:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sign the petition with your remote control when/if one of their spectacles ends up on TV again.
by PW on Jun 3, 2008 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by bradpittfightclub on Jun 2, 2008 11:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And it doesnt matter that EXC doesnt pay these judges or the refs. Yes it is the SAC of which ever state the event is held that pays the refs and judges their paychecks. That doesnt mean that Shaw cant write them a check on the side, and from the looks of the deception at this event, those were some pretty fat checks!!!
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 12:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AS I SAID BEFORE WHEN SHAMROCK FOUGHT KUNG the Vietnamese fighter in EXC- EXC fights are FIXED! I WILL NEVER PAY FOR SHOWTIME OR PPV by EXC! HOW ABOUT LAWLER’s fight!? How convinient to stop the fight!? Maybe because EXC wants you to buy the RE-MATCH?!?!?!? EXC is CRAP!
by JP on Jun 3, 2008 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buy the rematch???? It will most likely be headlining the next CBS event. Also, EliteXC has yet to have a PPV, they are on Showtime.
by ViolentMike on Jun 3, 2008 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think this tops the Hammill vs Bisping fiasco.
by kitsunex on Jun 3, 2008 12:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
With the Bisping v Hamill fiasco. the two american judges scored it 29-28 in favour of Bisping
by braveheart on Jun 3, 2008 4:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any sort of source for this document? You know, something that would actually make it credible?
I mean, did you just happen across it while sieving through a dumpster or something?
Not saying it’s not legit, as chances are, it is – but it’s a pretty poor decision to not link the source.
by Skeptical on Jun 3, 2008 12:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The official score sheets are handed out to press row at the conclusion of each fight. Jesse Holland was in press row. There’s your source.
by MMAmania on Jun 3, 2008 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BURN!!!!!!!! (In my best Micheal Kelso voice) lol
by john on Jun 3, 2008 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your name says it all dude. How an you be skeptical of MANIA’s sources on this and not completely skeptical about everything that happened saturday night??? Its not like he posted it ten minutes after the fight, MANIA’ waited several days to post an amazing piece of evidence to se what the rest of the MMA and press world thought of saturday night and they have all come to the same conclusion, the event was a conspiracy theorist dream! (minus the dream cause it was real) You have a lot of nerve man! Dont even respond to guys like that MANIA, they dont deserve your words.
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand how a judge could even get away with a score card like that?
by JV on Jun 3, 2008 12:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The judges name is Colon… says it all right there!
by bk on Jun 3, 2008 12:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s it never again will I watch elite, not even if they had fedor vs couture on cbs will i watch it. They probably will pay someone to loose.
If anyone wants to join in this disgrace of mma, go ahead, but as for me being a martial artist, I will not stand by and let them take the rating from my house, never again, I will do everything in my power to not here my friends say that kimbo could kill a TRUE martial artist.
If any true fan wants to not give elite money to run MMA to the ground, speak up and do something about, tell your friends at work to not watch the show, tell them its TNA or something get as many casual fans away from it that you can.
by NewGuyTheGunMan on Jun 3, 2008 12:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Westsiiiiiide! And thats todays word from Steven Colbert! The boycott is on!!!!
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Mania for posting this. This forum is #1.
As a fan and a student of MMA I will support everything we can do to help get Gary Shaw out of the FIXING picture. I personally emailed Gary Shaw letting him know my thoughts of him. WAR
by Al Cook on Jun 3, 2008 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My Showtime was canceled today. Never, I mean never would have I thought that Elite XC could make such a mockery of the sport. I was actually a fan at one point but now am disgusted with Gary Shaw and his antics!!!
by PACO on Jun 3, 2008 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Besides the fact that the judges were hired by the NJ athletic commission, if you guys can handle basic math you’d realize that Kimbo would’ve lost the fight anyway had it gone to the judge’s scorecards. So one judge scored round 2 in a way that makes people say WTF—anyone remember Bisping/Hamill? I recall some controversy over that decision, but I don’t think any of it included allegations of a fixed fight. I guess that leaves people to bag on the ref for an early stoppage.
by Scott on Jun 3, 2008 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Kimbo may have beaten Tito at getting drilled in the face in side control.
by Narhar on Jun 3, 2008 12:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
forget the scoring the stoppage is a shocker.
people like this will ruin mma just the same way boxing was ruined.
by mashurst on Jun 3, 2008 12:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Paying Off Ref; $15,000
Paying Off Judge; $20,000
Elite XC shooting itself in the foot; Priceless
by RiverHorror on Jun 3, 2008 12:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We put G! It was priceless wasnt it. And even though Kimbo won, it was nice to see his hype machine had a kill switch = )
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 12:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont let that ref or judge in the UFC/Dream/Affliction
by Al Cook on Jun 3, 2008 12:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He refed in the UFC recently, somewhere between UFC80 and UFC84, and it could have been on the Flo/Lo fight night. Imsure!
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he refed many bouts in the UFC already, and will continue to do so. the UFC/EliteXC/Affliction do not employ their referees, the athletic commission sends them over. so, I’m pretty sure we we’ll see him again in the UFC.
by linx on Jun 3, 2008 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THIS DOCUMENT????
come on people. please be responsible journalist.
by ekc on Jun 3, 2008 12:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
LoL!! Dudes a schmuck!!! His name should be exc instead of ekc. Why would they post this sh*t knowing tons of people would want a source but risk it anyway, come on man, be a responsible comentor and actually read everything instead of acting like the almighty with your capitalized “WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THIS DOCUMENT????” with your 4 question marks like youve caught Jesse and Mania in some big conspiracy LMAO!!!! (like those 4 exclamation points, its cause im laughing so hard . . . “Dummy!”
Jese, love the name, got a 10 month old son name Jesse Lee Gallagher, its a solid one, Holland is kind of more bad ass then Gallagher though = )
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no need to be a jerk.
it just Journalism 101, to have your source in your article… not hidden in one of 50 comments
by ekc on Jun 3, 2008 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was a jerk for sure! my bad bro, seriously. I just love this site and the site managers/writers/MANIA/Holland and all their hard work. They do great work and ive never seen them create a post to then take it down due to inaccuracys or lies in the post, they are good at what they do and have sat on this piece of evidence for 2 and half days making sure it was completely correct im sure. But again, my bad bro, me dickhead! (Especially when it comes to this sites credibility and of course BJ Penn!) If this site is inaccurate then im inaccurate cause its where i get 98% of my info. Sorry.
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mania already said that Jesse Holland was at the press conference and they hand out those cards. Try reading the posts.
by JV on Jun 3, 2008 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was there also.. i did not see these cards being handed out at the post press conference.
by ekc on Jun 3, 2008 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said “Press row” HELLO read the post from mania not the missquotes from us. Were you on press row, hell even James Thompson made it to the press conference.
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there are 40+ comments…
“Mania already said that Jesse Holland was at the press conference and they hand out those cards. Try reading the posts.”
why not put your source in the original article?
by ekc on Jun 3, 2008 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They probably didnt think someone would question their sources seeing as how its very illegal to produce fakes of docs like this claiming them to be real, this site is accurate, the score card and the judges behind it are not.
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my question is: if these were handed out right after the fight to all of the press??
Why did it take Monday night for the first person to not only scan it, but modify it with the red box?
and i think its odd that the offical score card did not have Kimbo’s real name on it.. but that is beside the point
by ekc on Jun 3, 2008 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gary Shaw has changed it legally to Kimbo Slice, now his owns him.
by UKmmaBOY on Jun 3, 2008 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This thing took place in Jersey, home of Atlantic City, waste disposal and the Mafia! What else would you expect?!
by Ray on Jun 3, 2008 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That score card has got to be teh crazyest think i have ever seen. 9-10 10-9 and 8-10 all from the same round. You almost never see 8-10 rounds in MMA and we see one but another judge thinks the losing guys wins
by Staples on Jun 3, 2008 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, someone is being paid to see something that isnt there.
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 1:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Colon: Thompson is the black guy, right? Oh shit, my bad!
by PW on Jun 3, 2008 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this judging issue isn’t as uncommon as everyone may think. the reffing and doctor issue is more of a problem than anything.
by jonsey on Jun 3, 2008 1:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
But the Hamill Bisping fight was way different then the Thompson Kimbo fight it was a close fight Hamill took round 1 hands down the next 2 rounds were very very close. I can see some controversy why some people would complain I also thought Hamill won but it was just too close to call. The Kimbo Thompson fight wasn’t close at all at any time during the fight Thompson clearly won rounds 1 and 2 befor ethe stoppage in the third.
by albert on Jun 3, 2008 1:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by Al Cook on Jun 3, 2008 1:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely hilarious. Gary Shaw is such a fake
by psyqo78®™ on Jun 3, 2008 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by Al Cook on Jun 3, 2008 1:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thanks man!!!! Ive been wanting to see this vid since you posted the link yesterday!!!!!! It wasnt working for me then, but its ready on pause for me now wooooohoooooo!! Thanks bro!! Let me throw in my dip and saddle up, be back in a minute with my thoughts! Im stoked!
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 2:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a combination of info! There was debate about a lot of that stuff “did the comentator say Terrible stoppage or contraversial stoppage” now we know. “Did Kimbo tap in the choke” now we know (which caused Thompson to loosen his grip figureing the ref saw it and it was over) A standing ref stoppage?? Let him get KO’d, thats wat the fans wanted to see right, kimbo KO someone. But it was the first chance the ref got to call it for Kimbo before what happened in the 2nd round happened again which was Thompson got rocked and reverted to a take down and GnP rather than stand and thats probably what he was going to do. “Thompson slapped the ref thinking it was Kimbo, not because of the wierd/fixed stoppage” He could see Kimbo behind the ref, he starred right at the ref for several seconds before the slap and he waited to find out what the ref wanted (maybe just to have a dr look at his ear) but when he slapped him it was right after the ref made it clear that he was calling the fight. B
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 2:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I counted 56 elbows and punches to the head, not including ones that clearly missed. They weren’t brutally hard shots, but Kimbo was sure as hell not defending himself.
by PW on Jun 3, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This issue is being beat to death…the fix was in, clearly because if Slice had lost the event his career and the state of XC would be in jeopardy
by Butter teeth on Jun 3, 2008 2:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FUCK THE RUSSIANS
Reagan for life!!!!
by mitt romney on Jun 3, 2008 3:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
was that cecil peoples alias?
i highly doubt any fights are fixed nowadays. cbs wouldnt risk being exposed. People are allways gonna complain and bicker saying this fighter sucks , this fight was fixed.. Ive heard people say anderson silva took dives in pride including other guys too. But truth is we are fans , they are the fighters.. Only they know the real truth.. so argueing on the internet is pointless. Its over and done with already.
Honestly Though Elite has Alot Of good fighters. A HUGE list. Look Whos on the next card .. Nick Diaz , Murilla Rue , Yves Edwards vs KJ Noons. They arent gonna Fix Kimbo Fights Just to keep the org running. Proelite,eliteXC,Stikeforce,KOTC,CageRage. They Are Big They Got Fighters.
by Sour Diesel on Jun 3, 2008 3:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pointless? I think not. I love my MMA and I will personally do whatever I can to put a stop to Gary Shaw fixes/BS fights and inform everyone I can. Its ok with you if this BS happens?
Do you want to be watching fights in the future thinking duh I wonder if this is fixed George. Hell no.
by Al Cook on Jun 3, 2008 4:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
as for that judge. He Is Pretty Stupid But we all know we have seen just as bad ones . the judges on ultimate fighter have made some bad ones.
by Sour Diesel on Jun 3, 2008 3:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The 2nd round was a 10-8 round all day
by braveheart on Jun 3, 2008 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im 5’11 170Lbs 28 years old record 0-0. I’d tear a new @ss hole in Shaw’s face for him for a loonie. Let me know.
by Al Cook on Jun 3, 2008 5:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Thompson had Kimbo in that crucifix, he just needed to show some killer instinct! You can’t hit in such a lackluster fashion, you have to END IT! I wanted to yell “SHOW ME THE ANIMAL” at the t.v. in my best Forrest Griffin sqeaky voice. lol
by chefdaddy on Jun 3, 2008 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Show me the f*cking animal James, come on, show me the animal!! (can you hear the squeaks) LMAO! Nice chefpops, nice!
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If JT would have taken Dumbo down again
and lay and prayed then this thread wouldn’t exist.
People would piss and moan about JT’s lay and pray
instead of the scoring or the stoppage.
by RipTheSystem on Jun 3, 2008 4:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
kimbo was winning that second round untik they took it to the ground. Thompson did no damage on the ground so i don’t think it was as obvious as you haterswant to make it….thompson was going to get knocked out so whats the prob. the one thing about MMA is they all eventually lose but live to be hyped and they fight again….wynot kimbo …CbS was good for the sport and you extremist don’t get it…
by gada on Jun 3, 2008 5:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Most judging bodies will disagree with you here because a points are awarded to “clean hits” which are hits that are undefended. That is what compubox does for boxing. Best example is the way Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Although Calzaghe was merely slapping shots at Hopkins and Hopkins was landing heavier counterpunches, Calzaghe won simply because he scored more hits. In all rights, that round should go to Thompson because he trapped Kimbo’s arms and was landing elbows to an undefended face of Kimbo. As a matter of fact, one can argue that Kimbo was not defending himself as he did nothing to get out of the position and could not defend himself so the ref should have called it a TKO.
by bostonmmajunkie on Jun 3, 2008 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
75 unanswered blows….. that is pretty obvious I think
by psyqo78®™ on Jun 3, 2008 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a disgrace as this was a career turn around for james Thompson!!!
by Tony on Jun 3, 2008 6:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i hope that ref never refs a ufc match. what an idiot, he should be fired or asked for an explanation why he didn’t do his job properly.
by markg on Jun 3, 2008 6:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not having seen the fight..and just seeing the clip the 2nd round..that was all Thompson. Kimbo looked like a punching punch..how did " who " give the round to him??
by PhilQNY on Jun 3, 2008 8:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, judging mma should not be THAT objective! How can one judge have it a 10/8 round for James and another judge have it 10/9 for Kimbo. Ridiculous!!!
by Haze on Jun 3, 2008 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a perfect name for this asshole judge: COLON!!!
lol
by Ca$z on Jun 3, 2008 8:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is unreal, how many suspect things are going to happen with this event? I really hope that The New Jersey Sate Athletic Commision will have some sort of investigation into Elite XC. Seriously, even the fighters seem to think that somthing was up. I have seen hundreds of events over the years, and have never seen one with so much controversy. I thought the fight was going to be fixed before the event even started, now I am convinced that it was fixed.
by Haze on Jun 3, 2008 8:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It suck’s and wtf, but it is what it is. BS
by bisnatch on Jun 3, 2008 9:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable! That judge should lose his job for this. At least he probably got paid by Shaw more than his 1 year salary.
by UFCAddict on Jun 3, 2008 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think it was 100% fixed, but there was definately some money business going on. Elite XC was a disgrace on CBS. UFC has the right idea. OWN everything and produce GOOD SH*T.
by Chadx23 on Jun 3, 2008 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the fix. But the vid posted by Al Cook is on a slight fast forward making the elbows look harder than they were, listen to the commentators, how fast they are talking. If that doesnt convince you just look at the clock, instead of 9 8 7 6 5 etc its like 98765. But it still should have been stopped.
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Keep in mind that Elite XC does not hire judges nor appoint them to score certain fights. That’s the responsibility of the state athletic commission, which is its own entity and completely separate from Elite XC or any other promotion for that matter.”
That doesn’t mean that the promotion is unable to exert influence on the judges.
Look at how Don King used to do it – he didn’t out-and-out bribe judges, he’d invite them to a nice dinner, or send them on a cushy vacation trip, let them bring their family, give them expensive wines & shit. “Yo, I really need this to work out for my guy”.
This Slice-Thompson fight was dirty from the get.
by Dissenter on Jun 3, 2008 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
don king did it to the nth degree. not only did he influnce the judges he bribed and blackmailed the governing bodies(wbc,wba,ibf,etc.) to put his fighters in the top 10 to get title shots when they clearly didnt deserve it. gary shaw comes from the old school of boxing promoters, so none of this actually suprises me.
by b.w. on Jun 3, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the fight was fo sho fixed… i can bet my life on it…… gary shaw is a corrupted man. bad name for the mma community
by mr.rice-a-roni on Jun 3, 2008 12:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is the first time I have seen the ending of the fight. I don’t know about fixing it or not but, it sure was an injustice to have it stopped like that. Kimbo ate elbow after elbow and it did not get stopped. Then Thompson eats a few shots and it is immediatly called.
Did he slap the ref after he called it?
by Bizzle on Jun 3, 2008 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s crap I got 10-9 on my card in the first round for Kevin and 10-9 on the 2nd round for James. Round 1 was REALLY close but I thought Kevin did more damage and was slightly more aggressive, but in the secon round I thought it was all James.
by City Boxing Newcomer on Jun 3, 2008 2:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1 judge was fixing the fight, but not the other 2. the ref was payed off, but not the fighters. baroni took a dive, but not kaitlin. who even knows anymore? how do we sit here as fans and pick out the parts that were real or not?
who’s to say james thompson wasn’t in on it either? the guy is 6’5" 265! You’re telling me a guy that big cannot finish off a defenseless Kimbo in crusifix position given a whole minute of throwing elbows?! Do any of you realize how much damage real elbow do from that position?! He wasn’t landing elbows. It was the flat part of the forearm that he was gently tapping with and coudln’t have landed them any softer than he did! Can anybody tell me honestly that it looked like James Thompson was trying his hardest to finish Kimbo?! He was STALLING! And I’m supposed to believe that his ear can swell up that much in 1 day?! Coincidentally, THAT ear pops during the fight! Dude, these are WWE tricks that they are pulling!!
what about the part when right after smith/lawler fight was stopped, shaw comes out into the ring announcing to everybody that they will both get their fight bonus $? So the end of the fight conveniently works out in Shaw’s and CBS’s favor making them look so angelic setting up the rematch. Give me a break, the guy is a caniving weasle. Did you hear what he said when Thompson asked for his fight bonus at the postfight conference?
I’m not claiming to be an expert on mma. But I’ve been in my fair share of fights, know what a punch feels like, and know the difference between fake sh*t and 2 guys going all out. These clowns are insulting all of our intelligence, shoving this propaganda down our throat, and worst of all: messing with the integrity of the fight itself. I could care less about the production of the venue: rappers, dancers, lighting, gary shaw, etc. But if the fight is not real or being rigged, I’m spitting it out and calling a spade. Phil Baroni taking a dive after merely getting clipped in the 1st after knowing he can go 5 rounds with Kala Hose is bullsh*t. Dan Miragliotta uses the same sales pitch/buzz words as Gary shaw. They both say the fans are ignorant, so you know that they spoke to each other.
Again, the whole ELITEXC is bullsh*t. There were so many people in on it, its ridiculous. Kids if you want to be a fighter in this day & age, lift weights and practice rolling your eyes back and falling to the canvas. ELITEXC is hiring actors cuz they think the fans are stupid. FIXED, FAKE, RIGGED, SCRIPTED WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT. BOYCOTT ELITEXC – even if its free & don’t bet $ on mma. Everybody in the company is a joke.
by kama kaze on Jun 3, 2008 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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its not about james thompson won or lost round 2.
We know he won round 2, 71 unanswered consective strikes should be no doubt a 10-8 round but in mma, you hardly see that. So without question its 10-9 thompson.
But the bozo ref.. had it 10-9 kimbo, I like kimbo but thats ridiculous.. pure insanity, which i can only come to the conculsion that it was fixed. Or he shouldnt be a judge anymore for fights.
by LongIslandguy on Jun 3, 2008 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
C’mon Mania you can do better than this pro UFC anti Elite XC muck raking. Let’s see some of the cards from the close decisions in some UFC bouts.
by Rilly on Jun 3, 2008 10:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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