Dan Miragliotta referee on Elite XC controversial stoppages and Kimbo Slice (Audio)

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He addresses most if not all of the calls he made at Elite XC: "Primetime" this past weekend. It's worth a listen for those who feel the "fix" was in:
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Damn we don’t have speakers on my work computer. Please share what he said in writing. Thanks.
by pUniSHment on Jun 2, 2008 11:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sure, let me sit here and transcribe all 15 mins of the audio. That will only take me a minute.
by PerdroCerano on Jun 2, 2008 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not everything mang!! Just tell me what the main points were. There’s no ned to make smart@ss comments.
by pUniSHment on Jun 2, 2008 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said that nothing was fixed. Athletic comissions pay the judges/refs not the promotions itself. Kimbo never tapped, he gave several thumbs up though. When the guiltine occured Thompson wasnt saying Kimbo just tapped, thompson was saying “the groin” reffering to the knees to his legs from kimbo. (But the knees werent even close and his mouth looks like it said “Did he tap?” Then he went n deffending his choice to stop it “i saw a vacant look in his eye after Kimbos combination” “so i stopped it before he got hurt, it had nothing to do with his ear which was one of the nastiest things ive ever seen happen” He also said that Kimbo wasnt in real trouble in the second round and that kimbo even “bursted up to get away” but then was put back into position by thompson for more GnP. (I didnt see Kimbo move for the last 2 minutes of the second round except for thompson positioning an on and off crucifix, IMO) Thats pretty much it pimp, i didnt listen to the entire thing cause it was BS man, nothing worth hearing and evaluating, it would just currupt an already perfect MMA mind in you BIG pUniSHment, just more EXC-BS!
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks 4 having my back adamg!!! BTW I don’t have a perfect MMA mind, but I am so fascinated by the sport that I one day hope to have one. WARRR PENNN LOL !!!!!!!!! :)
by pUniSHment on Jun 3, 2008 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No problem, ill transcribe whatever for you bro, it does just take a minute (TOOL, to that other guy that was a smart *ss) YEA! WARRRRRRR PENNNN!!
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 2:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best line for me was when he said he loses money to referee a fight.
by getrawbc on Jun 3, 2008 7:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So not to lose money he takes an extra paycheck on the side. Heck it all makes sense now.
by dandeman on Jun 3, 2008 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not buying it!! The rules say inteligently defending yourself. Who is he to determine if blows are doing damage? BJ didn’t and wouldn’t tap when Hughes was baraging his face. He didn’t look hurt after, but the rules are clear and the fight was stopped. I’m really disappointed that we’re still discussing this 3 days later. I heard a guy say today “kimbo is a beast, the only reason he isn’t in the UFC, is because those fighters are scared of him.” It’s a shame that this is now the face of mma. We need a petition to the UFC and Dana White, begging and pleading for a cross promotion!
Side note that WEC event was awesome!! Hey mania, do you have a bay area corrospondent? I would love to go to san jose and sac town events and do some write ups and interviews for you guys! I live in the bay area and am an unbiased fan who has a grasp of writing?? Just throwing it out there!
by kevin on Jun 3, 2008 6:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, is there room in for another one in the anti-Kimbo bandwagon? It’s hard to root for Kimbo now, even though this is not all his fault. I wouldn’t be surprised if BJ was disgusted as well lol.
by Pat on Jun 3, 2008 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bersides the bad production, I feel that what messed up the event is that CBS and EliteXC had too much influence in the decisions of the Athletic Commision! The commision has to stay Nuetral! THey should have control over EVERYTHING! The commision basically turned into EliteXC’s and CBS’s puppet saturday night!
The fighters came to fight. Anyone with any sense knew that we werent watching the best fighters in the world compete, so I feel the fighters did what they could and I dont fault them at all.
by john on Jun 3, 2008 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After listening to this, I feel stronger that the fight was fixed. He said nobody ringside thought it was a bad stopage? What about the announcer that was yelling “Terrable stoppage!!”
by Haze on Jun 2, 2008 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Which announcer was yelling “terrible stoppage”? If it was Gus Johnson, well honestly he didn’t have a whole lot of business announcing an MMA event in the first place. I only watched it the first time, but I recall the comment being more along the lines of a controversial stoppage or something to that effect. Either way, I don’t see why people are harping on it.
by Scott on Jun 2, 2008 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just listened to it again, and you’re right he was indeed yelling “terrible stoppage”. But it was also Gus Johnson, whose play by play included labeling a move as a DDT, so yeah I wouldn’t give his opinion much credibility.
by Scott on Jun 2, 2008 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention comparing Scott Smith, Robbie Lawler, and Frank Shamrock to Anderson Silva.
by GSP4Prez on Jun 3, 2008 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give it a break. What the guy is pointing out is that even an unknowledgable announcer was saying that was a terrible stoppage. Thompson could have shot in as he was wobbly and tried to hold off the onslaught and won a decision. Thats the problem with the early stoppage. If they would not stop the fight when Kimbo was getting hit non-stop on the ground because he might pull through, then why wouldn’t they try to let Thompson pull through just a little. Not to mention did the ref explain why he stood them up when Thompson had side control and was clearly working on the ground?
by Bic on Jun 3, 2008 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a huge over reaction. I thought it was a bit premature but not really awful or anything, and listening to Dan has confirmed that for me.
He probably went apeshit because the underdog was making the hyped up dude look like an idiot.
by SixT-4 on Jun 3, 2008 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not to mention that after the fight, jesse was on here and IMO implied Kimbo tapped. He wouldn’t say it, but said something like spanking him! If he didn’t know where he was, and thought he was still fighting kimbo, why did he argue and talk to the ref before putting his hands on him?
by kevin on Jun 3, 2008 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought Thompson was Done! He did not look like he knew where he was….For a moment he looked like he thought he was fighting back in Pride in front of 45,000 Jaopanese people….Then he realized this big Black guy was about to punch his face in, in front of a rowdy bunch of drunken Americans!
Long LIVE PRIDE!!~!~
by john on Jun 3, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this guy is a numbnuts and i hope he never refs again. he practically gushes over kimbo. it may not have been entiredly fixed , but you can tell who he favored in this fight, and refs shouldnt have favoritism.
by b.w. on Jun 2, 2008 11:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that there was a paid off fix, but I know Dan Mirgliotta knew who was supposed to win that fight.
by primary_Knukkle on Jun 3, 2008 7:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t help his case at all, I’m even more convinced the fight was fixed. Either that or this guy is just a horrible ref.
He said Thompson was so out of it he tried to punch him after the fight? No dude, he was pissed at your moron stoppage and you basically robbing him of the biggest victory of his career. I’d take a shot at ya too.
by Razzel on Jun 2, 2008 11:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree, Thompson stared right at him in disbelief, and was like fuck that shit, its BS… His hands were not quite up, but they didn’t drop and he was still in the fight. Thompson I’m certain would die in the ring, rather than lose in such a pussy (not his fault) way. CBS and Shaw are all over Kimbo’s nuts. One ref had the 2nd rd 10-8 Thompson, but the other had 10-9 Kimbo?? WTF!!!! I think Vince McMahon choreographed this one. Compared to the WEC card, Elite XC wasn’t shit. For the true MMA fan, WEC is drawing closer to UFC as far as quality of fights and having hungry mean fighters going balls out. I wish someone would count the number of times “Kimbo’s” name was mentioned during the broadcast, hmmmm.. let’s say 550 times??? Mark my words, when Kimbo does lose this year, WWE will pick him up for Wrestlemania next year.
by DirtbagHtr on Jun 3, 2008 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BOYCOTT EliteXC & Dan “I Have a Man Crush on Kimbo” Miragliotta
by the_mexicutioner on Jun 2, 2008 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice. he called everyone on this site, and every other MMA site for that matter, “13 year old kids”.
Classy.
by DefyTheEye on Jun 2, 2008 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh get off the guys back, he is a bomb ref who made a good stoppage and is getting a lot of crap for it. He only called the “tools” the 13 year old kids, the one that just do all the crap talking and dont back it up with any real evidance.
by The Anomaly on Jun 3, 2008 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree Anomaly, I bet there are a bunch of 13 year olds here, usually conspiracy theorists are teenagers. sorry, but that’s the truth! IT’S THE SYSTEM, THE SYSTEM IS AFTER US! LMAO.
by linx on Jun 3, 2008 7:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok; Who let Miragiotta’s Mom and Dad in here?
by dandeman on Jun 3, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah because 13 year olds are the main viewers of MMA right ref? you idiot
by Al Cook on Jun 3, 2008 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh, the same crap you always see when someone gets bashed on the internet. When are people going to realize that the majority of people on the internet are NOT little preteens? MMA has a HUGE online following, which predates tuf and is the sole reason the sport even survived when it was banned everywhere.
I remember when the ONLY way to find out results was to go online and check. But wait, if I bash this dumbass I’m a 13 year old! Give me a break. Terrible stoppage.
And he said the ear wasn’t the reason? Fucking bullshit. He tells Thompson “your ear’s fucking falling off!” Makes it OBVIOUS he stopped it due to the ear. What a joke of a ref. Bring back Big John and fire this dumbass
by yohnstoppable on Jun 3, 2008 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan was very defensive when talking to this guy. I mean i didnt listen to it all because it was a waste of time because dan could make up something easily.
But james knew that dan stopped the fight and slapped him in the face. If james thought he was still fighting kimbo like dan said. Do you think james would slap kimbo in the face? no
by Tony Dollar on Jun 2, 2008 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said by miragliotta i definitely think it was an early stop he shouldve waited till Thompson crumbled to the floor. The only fight i feel really really shouldve kept going was Smith lawler.
by Khaos_Warrior on Jun 2, 2008 11:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’d like to see Thompson fight Kimbo again then fight ref Miragliotta then finally Gary Shaw under UFC or DREAM or Affliction banners.
by Al Cook on Jun 3, 2008 12:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who knows what realy happened, we werent there, we dont really know.
dan seems like a pretty honest person though, but on the flipside JS was yelling instructions at him during round 2.
by rhys on Jun 2, 2008 11:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This audio didn’t help Miragliotta’s cause. Trying to say that the NJ athletic board pays him and not the promoters. No sh*t. But do you think there has NEVER ever in the history of prime time sports that a ref was bribed to fix an event? Get real Dan. I’d like to see what kind of new car he’s driving around in the next couple weeks.
You know what I finally realized about Kimbo Slice…I realized that all this hype about his KO power is just that…hype!
KIMBO HAS NO KO POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!
I started to believe about his KO power because he’s a big, massive, intimidating guy…but who has he really knocked out? Not Gannon…not Mercer…not Bo Cantrell….not even a ‘glass jawed’ Thompson….he only KO’d an overweight, no MMA skills having, old man in Tank Abbott and a few cans in the back streets of Miami.
Same with Marvin Eastman or Jeff Monson. Huge, scarey muscular dudes, but aren’t exactly knocking guys out left or right.
I’m sure if a Kimbo punch lands flush on anyone, that person is going night night. That could be said about any heavy weight MMA fighter. But why buy the hype that he even has the ability to KO a quality MMA heavy weight. – KO’ing Tank Abbott doesn’t convince me.
by TABSCOsauce on Jun 3, 2008 12:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good point! kimbo landed several flush shots and couldnt ko " glass jaw" thompson, who has what, been koed in 5 of his last 7 fights. kimbo’s power is a myth.
by b.w. on Jun 3, 2008 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is a great point…I was thinking that already..But I was also thinking, maybe people shouldn’t be calling Thompson “Glass-jaw” because, like you said “any HW landing” punches on someone’s chin will KO them…
Kimbo tapped Thompsons jaw enough times, and even though Thompson looked all googley eyed’ he never dropped…
Kimbo or not,.. KO power or No Knockout power?? Thompson took some hard shots on the chin, and did not go completely out…So I will not be calling Thompson “glass-jaw” anymore…
But yeah’
Kimbo does not have the KO power he is hyped up to have..
by Stagger-Lee on Jun 3, 2008 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No need to listen to his excuses cuz he already lost my respect as a ref
by SH on Jun 3, 2008 12:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Because he made too many mistakes over the night, not just in the Kimbo fight (although the majority of his mistakes came forth in that fight) and instead of manning up and saying yeah I should have let it go a little longer and had the fight played out but I saw Thompson wobbling and his ear was bleeding pretty bad so I stepped in. Instead of just manning up to his own mistakes he calls the people who saw him make these mistakes 13 year olds
by Bic on Jun 3, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
there was NO fix. JT was on his way to getting TKO’d.. why would EliteXC not want the highlight reel KO that everybody had paid to see?
by ekc on Jun 3, 2008 12:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly And cbs is gonna risk fixin a LIVE mma fight.
by Sour Diesel on Jun 3, 2008 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NOT CBS, Shaw would though, his company was riding on Kimbo winning. CBS is probably beyond embaressed about what happened and had nothing to do with it. SHAW IS IN CHARGE OF THE FIXING NOT CBS DUDE, come on, how can you still be arguing in EXCs favor!
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Adam, you know your my bro man, BJ Penn till I DIE!!!! But I gotta argue agasint you on this one.
Lemme ask you this::: If Thompson got Kimbo in a crusafix, and started tickling Kimbo, and Kimbo could not get out of it, should teh ref stop the fight then?
by The Anomaly on Jun 3, 2008 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its all good, we cant see eye to eye on everything, i replied some thoughts to your posts at the bottom of the page . . . Did you see the score card post yet man, what about that? Too many things adding up here???no?
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 4:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me just back Adam up here then. CBS did not want a brutal KO real, see fights Young Carano, Lawler Smith, and Kimbo Thompson. So the stoppage does not bother CBS what-so-ever. Next is EXC does not want their only cash flow getting beat even by decision. Kimbo was not showing the killer instinct that he shows on his youtube fights. He had Thompson on his heels a couple times and just sat there almost like he was wondering what to do. I don’t expect you to believe me so go watch the fights again and I believe it was in the first round that this happened and also in the third. DM stood them up when Thompson had side control and was working on the ground. Keep in mind that when Kimbo elbowed Thompson in the back of the head there was no warning also. So even if maybe CBS or EXC did not fix the fight (via early stoppage, judges score cards, or biased refing) that DM was a terrible ref. His calls would have been questioned by any other ref. I think the problem is your talking to fans and not other refs. Unfortunately refs are probably unioned so talking bad about one another could get them in trouble but if you ask Big John (a ref that everyone respects as the best) he would probably say if the fight wasn’t fixed that ref should not be refing based on the calls he made that night.
by Smokes on Jun 3, 2008 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ELITE XC is FIXED! LETS FACE IT: THEY (the doctor or whoever) stopped the FIGHT BECAUSE THEY Elite XC WANT US TO BUY THE PPV RE-MATCH! FIGHT AND STOPPAGE WAS FIXED! Then KIMBO score card crap! COME ON XC! LETS GET WWE in there too!
by JP on Jun 3, 2008 12:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i feel sorry for guys who think this way.
by Sour Diesel on Jun 3, 2008 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thompson mooshed Miragliotta because it was a bad stoppage. I guess Kimbo was intelligently defending himself with his forehead at the end of the second, huh Dan? If only I could go back in time and tell BJ Penn that all he had to do to keep his second fight with Hughes from being stopped was to smile and give the ref a thumbs up…
This show was an embarrassment. Please don’t tell my parents that I’m up posting comments, as I’m 13-years-old and it’s past my bedtime.
by johnadnauseam on Jun 3, 2008 12:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think the ref had a point that Thompson looked like he was about to get knocked out in the third round just before he stopped the fight. But I don’t think he should have stopped the fight, because Thompson was also rocked after several heavy shots by Kimbo in the second round, just before Thompson took Kimbo down and delivered about fifty elbows and punches to Kimbo’s head to almost win the fight. Kimbo did not adequately defend himself, but the elbows and punches didn’t seem to have much force behind them. I think that the biggest problem all night was that they were so afraid that someone might get seriously injured or bloody on network TV that they kept stopping the fights sooner than we are used to on PPV.
by DrPepper on Jun 3, 2008 12:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just heard the audio. I didn’t have time to read all the post so if I’m repeating someone I apologize. But one thing I take from this fight is, it’s not the refs job to say if Thompson was hitting him hard or not. If Kimbo is laying on the ground getting beat on, and does nothing to get out or “Intelligently defend himself” then the fight is over. Jim Rome sums it up nicely, if you haven’t listened to that yet check it out it’s pretty spot on.
by Jigga4713 on Jun 3, 2008 12:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like I said before, if Thompson got him in a crusafix and was tickling Kimbo, should the ref stop the fight?
Point is there is more then one fullfillment that need to happen to justify stopping a fight. Intelligently defending yourself is one thing, but what if there is nothing to defend yourself from?
Thompson did NOT earn a stoppage there, those little punchs were not damaging enough, and I could see exactly why the fight was tolerated to go into the next round. Is that really how you wnat an MMA HW fight to get stopped? From little punches like that? It is the fighter in the advantagous position’s responsibility to stop the fight, the bottom fighters is just to survive, if THompson could not hurt and finish Kimbo, so be it, blame Thompson.
by The Anomaly on Jun 3, 2008 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am about to speak to the few (and I mean few) people who either support the stoppage or agree with the win or think it was not fixed etc. etc.
It is one thing to have one questionable decision or one controversial thing happen in a fight. It is something entirely different to have several converge on one fight.
why did the ref not stop the fight when Kimbo was obviously defenseless in the second round?
Why was Thompson’s ear not drained, and why was it, oh I’d say, 15% bigger than it was at the weigh ins?
Why did the ref stop the fight when Thompson was still standing and had just thrown a good right hand (although it didn’t connect)?
Why did the judge have an obviously wrong score in favor of Kimbo for the second round?
How did the ref know that Kimbo was not tapping when he was in the guillotine? I sure thought he was, and maybe Kimbo was in fact telling the ref he was ok, but how can you tell? And if he was doing it verbally, why was he wasting his breath? (This is a lesser thing than the others but still worth mentioning).
You see if it had been just one thing, even two maybe, I don’t think there would be much of a case for a “fixed” or “biased” fight, but with all of those things there, it’s hard not to believe it, no matter what Dan says.
The rest of the fights I blame on CBS and not EXC. They didn’t want to much violence and stopped the fights as soon as they were given an out. Just a sure fire reason that they should not be in the MMA business.
by DoctorSamson on Jun 3, 2008 12:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have to post again and say that I like Dan. I think he’s a good ref and a standup guy, and I want to believe him. But I watched the fight, and I watched it intently, and I just can’t put together what happened with what he said. I hate that, but that’s how it is.
by DoctorSamson on Jun 3, 2008 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ofcourse this guy is going to do damage control and say that nothing was fixed. It would be career suicide to admit he favored Kimbo.
by JV on Jun 3, 2008 12:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
of course it wasnt fixed, he was just paid off
by ken on Jun 3, 2008 12:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he was not paid off. cmon give your head shake. he refs everywhere .. hes not gonna throw his ref job out the window just for elite,cbs&kimbo.. You watch he will be at ufc85 this weekend.
by Sour Diesel on Jun 3, 2008 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Listen .. Mania Thak You 4 posting this.
Miragliotta is very good ref. I stand behind his decisions.
by Sour Diesel on Jun 3, 2008 12:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dude I have read your other posts…are you on the Elite XC payroll? HE IS GARBAGE! What else can he say? He is either the dumbest referee in the history of sports OR he is on the take…either way he has NO business being in any cage! I hope he finds a high cliff to dive from
by DaGrizzlyBear on Jun 3, 2008 2:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fight was fixed and Kimbo needs to get in shape. Yes, he can hit and bust a ear the was already to pop!!! Their should be a rematch w/a new ref that doesn’t have a fat pocket. He should have stop it in the 2nd round when Kimbo wasn’t defending himself for 2:00 min.BULL@#$$
by toby on Jun 3, 2008 12:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought James Thompson slapped Miragliotta because he didn’t want the fight to be stopped.Miragliotta said James Thompson slapped him because he was still fighting Kimbo.
by dongbar on Jun 3, 2008 1:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by Al Cook on Jun 3, 2008 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
by Al Cook on Jun 3, 2008 1:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
James thompson loked shocked for about 5 seconds before he slapped Miragliotta. Keep in mind he had a look of disgust on his face when this happened.
by RyanHobbs on Jun 3, 2008 2:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
James thompson looked shocked for about 5 seconds before he slapped Miragliotta. Keep in mind he had a look of disgust on his face when this happened.
by RyanHobbs on Jun 3, 2008 2:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Damn are you guys still arguing about this? If you hate EXC and Kimbo so much why are you STILL talking about it almost 3 days later. Get a life.
by Kam on Jun 3, 2008 2:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You get a life man, this interview was just conducted along with the score card. If MANIA all of the sudden revealed serk was on roids again in the penn fight two weeks later should we not talk about it cause its been two weeks. Bounce from this site than bro, your noy needed here Mr.Shaw
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 2:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 things:
1. Dan’s: “protect yourself” is Dan’s response from so called “pitter-patters”?
2. So Kimbo’s thumbs up response to Dan saying, “Protect yourself!” is the same as Kimbo defending himself?!
by Jedi-Guard on Jun 3, 2008 3:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The fight was not fixed, and the stoppage was good. Bottom line.
Ok I could see how you would argue taht It should have been stopped earlier in favor of Thompson, but arguing that Thompson was not finished when it actually was stoppped, is rediculous. Thompson was OUT ON HIS Feet.
Weather or not you think Kimbo should have lost earlier is up to you. I personally think it was a saved by the bell kind of thing. I mean after all, those hits were NOT hurting kimbo very much at all.
by The Anomaly on Jun 3, 2008 3:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He was just as rocked on his feet in the second so why didnt the ref stop it then, he didnt, he waited for Kimbo to finish the job and Kimbo didnt, he ended up on his back getting punched for over a 80 seconds. And thompson wasnt even out in the 3rd, his knees never buckled, he smacked the ref for the stoppage just seconds after cause he was so coherent. Thompson was going to revert to a take down and GnP like he did in the 2nd round and the ref new it was coming. When in the history of MMA has a fight ever been stopped on the feet? Click the link posted by AL Coom above, the bottom link, it shows all the stuff, Kimbos tap, the bad stand up by the ref when Thompson had side control, the finish, the commentators saying it was a bad finish, everything bro.
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said before, if Thompson got him in a crusafix and was tickling Kimbo, should the ref stop the fight?
Point is there is more then one fullfillment that need to happen to justify stopping a fight. Intelligently defending yourself is one thing, but what if there is nothing to defend yourself from?
Thompson did NOT earn a stoppage there, those little punchs were not damaging enough, and I could see exactly why the fight was tolerated to go into the next round. Is that really how you wnat an MMA HW fight to get stopped? From little punches like that? It is the fighter in the advantagous position’s responsibility to stop the fight, the bottom fighters is just to survive, if THompson could not hurt and finish Kimbo, so be it, blame Thompson.
(sorry for postin this twice, just want people to freakin see it, not very fond of this posting method as opposed to the original)
by The Anomaly on Jun 3, 2008 4:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, i admitt those punches were lack luster, but for 10 -15 maybe even 20 seconds its tollerable but for over a minute??? And Kimbo would rather put up a thumbs up then protect himself, not very smart, and his thumbs werent up after the round ended and it took him nearly 15 seconds to get to his feet. If all he was doing was laying down pretty much resting and the shots werent that hard why did it take him so long to get up? Anyways, how bout that WEC card last night!!!! Pulver, Faber, Toress, Maeda, just great fighting huh bro?
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 4:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah the score card is bogus, im not sure about rigged or anything, I think if scores were rigged it would be to serve the purpose in a decision victory or not. But in my opinion the ref did a good job and the fight was dictated by the two men in the ring anyway.
Im with you on that score card though, looks fishy.
It is hard though like you say, is a minute to much to take those tiny punches, tiny as they may be? Or is it a whole round? Or only 20 seconds? There is no clear cut line in taht situation because the fact remains they were not hurting Kimbo and his health was in no way jeapordized. So I guess its up to eveybody’s own opinion, I personally would hate to see taht fight stopped, like I said, Thompson didnt earn S#@& of a stoppage with those punches.
by The Anomaly on Jun 3, 2008 4:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no. Rocked yes, but out is usually when you fall down ya know, knees give out, legs stiffen, he was moving or stumbleing to his right and his legs were fine. See GSPs legs in Serra fight #1 for a guy who is closer to being out on their feet than Thompson was. Kimbo had him twice as rocked in the 2nd round and no stoppage, why?? And from huge uppercut punches, not from some tired right hands.
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 4:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I DO however, agree that, when you put Kimbo asside for a second, Thompson was definently in need of a stoppage at that point in the third. Look at his eyes, during the combo, and even for a bunch of solid seconds afterwards when Dan is trying to bring him back to reality, that stare is classic TKO status.
by The Anomaly on Jun 3, 2008 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh ya, WTF did the fight get stopped in the 3rd then? Because the fu#$in ref was looking for ANY way he could for a win for Kimbo. Thompson was winning the fight thats why theres no “Badass Kimbo” if he looses to Thompson and that was their main card big show on CBS thats why. NOBODY wins like that standing? give me a break and give your head a shake.
by Al Cook on Jun 3, 2008 4:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh ya, WTF did the fight get stopped in the 3rd then? Because the fu#$in ref was looking for ANY way he could for a win for Kimbo. Thompson was winning the fight thats why theres no “Badass Kimbo” if he looses to Thompson and that was their main card big show on CBS thats why. NOBODY wins like that standing? giv me a break and give your head a shake.
by Al Cook on Jun 3, 2008 4:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh and Adam yeah about the WEC, I missed the first half. Sucks but my verizon TV is usually 2 hours delayed, but for some reason on VS it is right on time which I didnt know.
Anyway the Pulver/Urijah fight was bomb. Hard to call beforehand but I was slightly rooting for Pulver, feel bad, he is a veteren who is a good respectful guy who def put in his time. Got nothin agaisnt Urijah.
But was it just me or was Pulver gun shy for most of it? FOr the couple times it looked like Urijah took a decent shot taht might have hurt him, Pulver did ZERO capatalizing, so frusterating to me, but an awesome fight. HOW about Pulver’s wrestling though EH!? Freakin Awsome!
by The Anomaly on Jun 3, 2008 4:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know, where was that against BJ huh?? His ground looked beond phenominal!! And against Faber to, a gu that til last night was only known really for his spectaular ground contingency plans. And the flurry that Jens ate and dropped him was amazing for him to only need a few seconds to recover from, from that point on i was chanting “Dont go down, stick and move you old son of a b*tch! Stick and move!!! LMAO!” I love Urijah and hes got a brite star shining right now but for 25 minuts last night for some unknown reason to me i became the biggest Pulver fan on the planet. And it was right down the street from my house at Arco. Did you see the Miguel Toress fight, FOY chances, but not my vote, freakin crazY night!!! Oh and i agree, i think Pulver was looking for something that just didnt come, i dont know what but it didnt come, he respected faber and had already been dropped and that right hand was leathal, maybe a combo of all those things had him a little reluctant to go balls out at times.
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 4:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JT looked stunned yeah but not out. happens all the time in fighting. Not once did he buckle nor did he even drop down. Fights DONT end like that. That ref was told/paid to stop that fight for Kimbo when ever he had the chance to.
by Al Cook on Jun 3, 2008 4:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
JT was out on his feet… um if Kimbo would landed one more shot it would have been over for sure
by RoB on Jun 3, 2008 5:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This ref is scum! he said thompson should of kept him on the ground then? but in round 1 he stood them up when thompson was on top? but he let rashad evans cuddle bisping on top for 2 rounds? he is a bastard!!!!
by Tony on Jun 3, 2008 6:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha Dan Miragliotta is awesome. “I don’t need some guy grabbing his crotch saying his fists are for fighting and his cock is for fucking”.
I thought the stoppage wasn’t that bad before, and hearing Dan explain it confirms that for me. I thought the fight could have possibly been fixed, but I don’t think Dan was in on it now. And if you don’t have the ref in on it, it would be kinda hard.
Then again one of the judges scored the 2nd round for Kimbo so maybe they wanted to fix it that way.
by SixT-4 on Jun 3, 2008 8:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good stoppage by dan i must say thompson took some good punches but had to be stopped
by the heat on Jun 3, 2008 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The thing that mystifies me is what is so bad about Kimbo getting knocked out or losing? Lesnar lost, Chuck got ko’d by Page, Franklin the posterboy got filled by silva, Serra ran through GSP etc. Having a guy that is supposed to be unstoppable lose is good to watch and makes fans excited. Upsets are great to see and it has never hurt the UFC. I was all for a little competition against the UFC. EXC just passed the torch to Affliction who i can guarantee will not put on such a subpar show.
by SpiderStyle on Jun 3, 2008 10:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The majority still say it’s a bad stop, I completely agree.
by slkbomber on Jun 3, 2008 11:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“Bounce from this site than bro, your noy needed here Mr.Shaw”
What language do you speak?
I just find it odd that you would spend SOOO much time on a “minor league” fighting league and a MMA wanna be like Kimbo, youguys are falling for the Jedi mind trick and its funny to watch,
Even if somebody is paying attention to the blogsphere which I doubt because its ALL about money. But EVERY Kimbo/EXC post gets close to a hundred responses from you guys and even days later you talk about it like it was 20 mins ago.
Guess what geniuses that shows INTEREST. whether good or bad YOU ARE INTERESTED or you just have too much time on your hands and just like to type.
For example when theres a post here about DREAM with a bunch of unknown Japanese fighters it gets like 15-20 comments and half of those are UFC related.
THAT shows nobody really cares about the event.
But Kimbo, SHaw, EXC you blow it up because you care,
Shit dies and goes away because nobody is paying attention to it, not because you post 20 times a day to say it sucks, all that means to an EXECUTIVEis that you’d watch it again JUST TO SAY HOW MUCH IT SUCKS…which = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
These days ANY pub is good pub dummies.
by Kam on Jun 3, 2008 11:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Were replying to the FIX, its huge man, when that ref was accused/found guilty of fixing NBA games was it not huge??? It has nothing to do with Kimbo. If Kimbo had been finished by Thompson in the 2nd there would be nothing to talk about and it would all go away but . . . And the typo/not corecting it is cause i dont care about what you think, just a quick reply. And if your refering to the “bounce” it means leave or the “your” instead of you’re, again its cause i dont care what you think, just a quick reply to a d*ck like you.
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 3, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on children, give it a rest… it was an obvious stoppage, the dudes ear was popped off and he could barely stand up. Any reasonable ref would have stopped the damn fight at that point, Thompson was clearly done. People just wished and hoped that Kimbo would lose, and it didn’t happen… just face it, live with it, deal with it. I’m not a huge Kimbo backer, but he got the job done period. He did get beat in the 2nd round IMO, but he came back strong and finished the dude in round 3…. Next!
by Jason on Jun 3, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This guy is a clown…..he’s gonna end up the Joey Crawford of MMA….he says Thompson should have kept it on the ground(Mirgliogatta said this) So,Dan??? Why did u stand them up in the second while Kimbo was scoring, ask Bas Rutten, he was quoted as saying the fight should have been stopped in the second cuz Kimbo wasnt defending himself….
by Steve lane on Jun 3, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
there both horrible and shouldnt ever step in a cage again it wasnt rigged but just one of the worst fights ive ever seen
by twink on Jun 3, 2008 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey dan miragliotta , actually i REF in my home state NJ actually , and u suck , im not 13 and i hate dana white , in fact im older then you , you roid freak ! so be a man admit you took a paycheck on the side to stop it when kimbo was in trouble like in the third and when he shot a fist off , step in and intervine. If you had respect for mma and it’s TRUE real knowledgeable fans you would’t call the people on the net 13 and want to be dana whites that no nothing about mma.
you lost alot of peoples respect
by jon on Jun 3, 2008 8:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i see… that explains the premature stoppage in ufc 85. poor vera. but hey the guy needs to earn extra cash. lol.
by tyrone on Jun 16, 2008 4:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a fucking idiot, thompson punched that pussy cause he’s an idiot and it was an early stoppage. He didn’t stop the fight when kimbo was on his back getting pummeled for nearly 3 minutes. Worst ref ever- most controversial fights. And I was in Newark for the fight. Probably 300-500 people stood out of their seats along with me and started yelling he tapped! bullshit! to Mirgliota til the beginning of the second. I saw him tap clearly right by ringside. First 20 rows. All I heard walking out of the Prudential Center in Newark was people yelling the fight was fixed! He tapped! This reminds me of that joke video where they try to say that lesnar was still hammer fisting mir’s ass when he tapped, titled brock lesnar didn’t loose to mir on youtube. This shits hilarious. This douche shouldn’t be a referee. He shouldn’t even be able to talk mma in the media. He is a bitch and shit stain on the face of mma. Also in the other fight smith didn’t want to stop and watch the video, the idiot woman doctor checks the wrong eye(the one that didn’t get poked) just before stopping the fight. She just stopped it cause he looked out of it from getting hit in the head so many times.
by JDS on Dec 17, 2008 4:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

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