Opinion: Elite XC recap for 'Primetime' CBS 'Saturday Night Fights'
by James Iannotti on Jun 1, 2008 1:34 AM EDT
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Controversy -- a prolonged public dispute, debate, or contention; disputation concerning a matter of opinion.
Is there a better word to describe Elite XC's "Saturday Night Fights"?
Let's forget for a moment about the Scott Smith stoppage and the Kaitlin Young stoppage and let's focus for now on the Kimbo Slice stoppage of James Thompson.
First let me say this: What kind of success would Elite XC be expecting to have heading into the future if its "franchise" -- Kimbo Slice -- were to lose to a hand-picked opponent and get exposed as nothing more than a street fighter with no real MMA skills?
Probably not too much.
Everybody who knew anything about this fight going into tonight knew what each fighter's gameplan was going to be. Kimbo was going to try and come out and look for a knockout, and James Thompson was going to come out and look to test Kimbo's ground game with takedowns and ground and pound.
Let's review:
Round 1: Kimbo gets taken down and gets pounded on for the better part of the round.
Round 2: Kimbo gets taken down and gets pounded on (albeit with some marshmallows) for the better part of the round.
Advantage so far to James Thompson.
At this point in the fight he was executing his gameplan perfectly and had a fighter who had never been out of the first round completely confused and exhausted. All three judges, in fact, had James Thompson ahead through two rounds.
Round 3: Both fighters are dog tired, and Kimbo needs a knockout to win. At the first sign of trouble for James Thompson, the ref steps in and stops the fight. He wasn't knocked down, he wasn't knocked out, and after the fight was stopped, he wasn't the one laying on the floor.
I'm not going to say that Kimbo wasn't going to knock James Thompson out, because by the looks of things, he probably was well on his way to doing that. The thing that has me irked is that the ref stepped in and didn't let the fight play out.
If you don't think there was something rotting in Denmark then riddle me this. Gary Shaw, at the post fight press conference, told the media that James Thompson was taken to the hospital by ambulance immediately after the fight.
Cue entrance of "The Collusus."
Either someone is lying to the live events president or the live events president is lying. Or, it could be some really bad miscommunication. The kind of miscommunication, however, that gets someone fired. Fast.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the hell out of the fight. It was awesome seeing Kimbo get tested like that, and I do think he was going to eventually put Thompson down. But why not let it play out? And what's the deal with the shenanigans at the press conference afterwards?
Just too much controversy.
Whats next for Kimbo? He had trouble with James Thompson's size. Is he really going to fight Brett Rogers next? That seems like a horrible match up for him, and like I said earlier, what is Elite XC going to do if its star gets exposed?
Rogers ripped Kimbo's performance at the post fight press conference and it was obvious he wants that fight and thinks he can win it. He just kept dogging Kimbo and at one point Kimbo got so pissed off that the two had an altercation -- the two had to be separated!
Here's what Rogers said that finally put Kimbo over the edge:
"A man is man. And what I saw in this man today, it was just garbage. I’m going to speak it real, it was garbage. You did tap. You did tap out, I saw it, I was right there."
Rogers was referring to the second round when Kimbo was in deep trouble late in the round eating elbow after elbow. This is bad for Kimbo because now he almost has to take this fight, and, in this writer's opinion, I don't think he's going to win based on tonight's performance.
I do know this though, Gary Shaw is not a happy man. Sure, he has another fight he can sell now, but at what cost? If Kimbo loses, his company is in trouble.
Continuing with the controversy theme of this recap and this event ... what kind of stoppage was that in the title fight? I'm convinced if this was not on network television that it would have continued. CBS wanted no part of any of these fighters getting seriously hurt on its watch.
To be a fly on the wall of the prefight referee discussion.
It seemed like fights were getting called by the doctor in every other match. I've never typed the two words doctor and stoppage so many times in my life.
Scott Smith should have been given time to recover and then the fight should have continued. That stoppage ruined a great fight -- perhaps the best fight in the history of Elite XC. It was one for the ages.
Also, in the woman's match, Kaitlin Young was tired and had a beat up face, but she could have continued. The problem here, again, is more than likely that CBS doesn't want its viewers to watch people getting hurt, especially a woman.
Maybe in the end this event proved that MMA belongs on pay per view and premium cable and NOT network television.
These are fights and people get hurt in fights. If you're not willing to live with that, then don't put the sport on your channel. Over protecting fighters is not what fans of this sport want to see. These athletes know what they're getting themselves into, and they're highly trained.
Let them compete or don't get involved at all.
Kimbo had no gas left in the tank. Who's to say that he could have even kept throwing punches? Maybe Thompson would have landed one on Kimbo's chin and put the exhausted fighter out. Who knows. That's the point, we don't know because the fight was stopped before it could play out.
Much like the rest of the action all night long.
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I couldn’t have said it better myself.
by Cool Hand Chad on Jun 1, 2008 1:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Guys, I tried not to buy into the naysayers. But IMO, this could really do damage to the sport. I’ve read like 4 articles by guys who have never watched MMA before and called the sport “Cockfighting”.
This is scary, I’m hoping that the antics of Gary Shaw and his boys don’t set the sport back. The more I hear about the behind the scenes antics the more worried I get.
ALSO mania, Young said “I’LL DO WHATEVER ELITEXC WANTS…” and they ended the fight… DId you guys hear that??
by Dom on Jun 1, 2008 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo is a bitch he thinks he can survive in MMA with hard punches and a fucked up hair cut and overgrown beard. The Elite fight league has all their eggs in Kimbo’s basket and if he were to loose Elite would be over. I train with top fighters in Las Vegas and there are numerous heavy weights in my gym that would very easily whip Kimbo’s ass. Someone needs to give him a check to get him out of the sport because he does it no justice. He’s nothing but a side show with his freakish look, once he gets his ass kicked he will be back in Miami on the block selling crack or bouncing at some nightclub he is a disgrace to the sport of MMA and someone needs to pull the plug on this clown. Don’t get me wrong like everyone else I too was caught up in the hype, but after viewing and reviewing his performances, I no longer am willing to fall for the hype he doesn’t deserve the recognition he’s getting and he knows it. I can’t wait until he gets smashed out then we’ll see what he’s made of.
by vegashunter on Jun 1, 2008 3:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As much of a farce as this EliteXC was exposed as this evening, it can also be said about Dream, World Victory Road and all the other up-and-coming MMA organizations. They are all made up of UFC castoffs and/or unproven fighters that can compete against other non-competetive fighters or beginners. There really is only one legitamite organization: The UFC!
With that said, Kimbo out lasted James Thompson; Thompson was going down and there is no doubt about it!
Next, Kimbo is in fact a BEGINNER. He was a pure street fighter, just like “Tank” Abbott is. But you notice when people talk about “Tank” they say he’s washed up and old, but they never say he’s a farce. He and Kimbo are of the same mold, there is only one difference: Kimbo is taking MMA seriously, he trains with Bas Rutten and is employing all MMA aspects into his game. You and I both know he is a beginner, seriously how long do YOU think you would last against a guy like Thompson with Kimbo’s limited amount of MMA training, but give him some time and then let’s see what kind of a product he puts out. Until then just enjoy the show or simply change the channel.
As far as the show goes: It was decent at best. I have said it before and I’ll say it again, the UFC is the Gold Standard by which all shows are and will always be compared to. If Dream and all these other organizations were to aire on CBS or any of the other major networks on prime time do you think the executives would call for the same kind of refereeing and early, real early stoppages? This only opened my eyes to all other organizations legitimacy.
Long live the UFC and keep it on pay-per-view so we can always be assured of a great fight and a decent refereeing job.
You know Dana White is laughing his ass off right now and lighting his cigar with a C-note or an EliteXC ticket!
by Ray on Jun 1, 2008 5:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell me what aspects of mma he employed last night…
by JB on Jun 1, 2008 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought the event was pure garbage, and I was drunk as hell. The only legit stoppage was the Brett Rogers fight (btw I’m impressed w/ this guy) the rest of what we got was a watered down version of the most exciting sport on the planet. The title fight stoppage was bs, the Gina fight stoppage was bs, as well as the rest of the card. Mania, you have no idea how right you are, maybe MMA just isn’t meant for network TV, especially in the hands of Gary Shaw.
by primary_Knukkle on Jun 1, 2008 9:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree. I was with some friends tonight, one of which had never watched MMA before, and another who actually writes MMA articles. Pretty diverse crowd. Both of them thought the fight was complete bs. The only good thing, it was great until the stop, on the card was Robbie vs Scott. To bad that was ruined also. Check out what my buddy wrote about the fight tonight I think it is spot on. Plus you can tell in the picture he included the fight was an early stop.
http://www.justbleed.net/2008/06/elitexc-on-cbs-kimbo-slice-defeats.html
by WandFan on Jun 1, 2008 5:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anything that clip shows more that Kimbo was about to finish it. You can even see Thompson’s legs starting to turn to noodles on him. Even watching it live and on replays, when Dan the ref was first talking to Thompson when he stopped the fight, you could still see Thompson’s legs wobbling underneathe him. The female fight and title fight were probably stopped too early, and at first I thought the Kimbo one was too, but now I really don’t think it was. It was a good stop.
by Toms Bombs on Jun 1, 2008 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ray says: “With that said, Kimbo out lasted James Thompson; Thompson was going down and there is no doubt about it!”
That may be true, but as mania stated, we will never know because the ref stepped in too early! If Thompson was about to be finished then the ref should have allowed Kimbo to FINISH him. He was rocked, but he wasn’t out. Imagine if all refs stopped the fights at the first sign of trouble, the Leben/Martin fight last year would have had a different outcome in that case. Leben was out on his feet and still pulled out the win, he was rocked far worse than Thompson was. Also Clay Guida would have beaten Roger Huerta by second round KO, and Scott Smith would have lost to Pete Sell at the TUF 4 finale. I could go on and on. I 100 percent agree with James Iannotti on the write up. This was one of the worst shows I have ever seen.
by ragnarr on Jun 1, 2008 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry it was Mr. James Iannotti that wrote the article, I said mania. My bad.
by ragnarr on Jun 1, 2008 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All the referee had to do was look at the previous rounds before making a decision to stop this fight. This fight was stopped to save Kimbo a decision loss—or at least make sure it didn’t get that far. Thompson looked like he was gonna get knocked out in the earlier round as well and instead took Kimbo down and elbowed the side of his head for half the round.
by chuckjbt on Jun 1, 2008 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, one more time…Young did NOT say “whatever EliteXC wants”.
The doctor said “Kaitlin, Kaitlin, where are you?” and she replied “I’m in EliteXC with everybody watching”. I heard that the first time I watched it and the 10 times I replayed it.
by Vox on Jun 1, 2008 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kaitlin Young: “I’ll do whatever Elite XC wants..”
did anyone catch her say that after the last round? She was sitting on the stool, and someone asked her what she wanted to do in terms of continuing…and that was more or less her reply. I didn’t tape the broadcast, but thats essentially what she said. did anyone tape it?
If this is true, I will never watch elite again!! someone check it, I was so disgusted, I erased it off the dvr instantly!!
by kevin on Jun 1, 2008 3:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didnt hear the elite xc part, but i did hear “i’ll do whatever”
by ajadoniz on Jun 1, 2008 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A competitor wants to compete, not quit. “I’ll do whatever”=“I don’t really want to be in this ring”
by BobC on Jun 1, 2008 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what a embarressing night for mixed martial arts, the stupid dancers, the stupid wwe entrances, the stupid stoppages. baroni made me wence the most wearing g.d. stupid f n sunglasses puckering his retarded lips, his idiotic vest. the announcers sucked. i do agree, the best fight was caranos. and lawlers. at least we know about kimbo now. and i do believe brock would tear him from limb to limb. i did see some form of tap as well. it was refreahing tonight becouse immediatly after the “show” ufc wired was on. thank god for ufc
by john morales on Jun 1, 2008 3:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not only would Brock kill him, I think most of the lhw would tool Kimbo. Kimbo looked AWFUL.
by naturalshadow on Jun 1, 2008 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a joke…If going primetime is going to turn mma into what I saw last night…keep it PPV…I never thought I would say this but thank you Dana White…
by Sawbones on Jun 1, 2008 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BOYCOTT EliteXC & Gary Shaw!
by the_mexicutioner on Jun 1, 2008 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely I watch MMA not MMA-WWE hybrids. Boycotted. I watched to see if Kimbo was legit. Glad they answered that question so soundly. Sorry EliteXC get out while you can – your product is garbage.
by theTRON on Jun 1, 2008 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its the first nationally televised show in the history of MMA for crying out loud. Any business and/or event takes time to get into a comfort zone. With time, some things get removed others get added to make things better etc. Thats how UFC started in the beggining ya big babies.
Just remember competition will only make the sport grow for all of us.
by blah on Jun 1, 2008 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im a huge MMA fan, and was excited to see the sport get shown to the mainstream public, but what i saw lastnite was completely rediculous. The Robbie Lawler fight would have never been stopped in the UFC. And was it not completely obvious that CBS and EliteXC was destined to see that crack-sellin, porno shoot bouncer have his hand raised? That wasnt MMA, and believe me when i say ill never turn to watch the sport on CBS again.
by Kimbo sucks on Jun 2, 2008 1:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
RIDICULOUS!!!
What a joke. Kimbo had zero ground game, and is a JOKE!!!!! first of all Brett Rogers KO’s Thomppson, so Thompson gets Kimbo. That makes sense right? Second, what is all this training Kimbo is doing going towards? BJJ? Cardio? Take down defense? Third, where did the doctor get her degree, University of Phoenix? Like I said before, put Kimbo against ANY top 100 guy, HW or LHW for that matter, he’s dead!
This event was a perfect reason for Dana and the UFC (how many times did they mention UFC by the way) to cross promote and put an end to this fiasco once and for all! Kimbo/Nog, Lawler/Silva, Noons/BJ, Shields/GSP, Scott Smith/Rich Frankliin. I didn’t even mention Chuck, Rampage or Hughes. Hell, Brock would destroy Kimbo in under a minute!!
My wife’s open minded assessment…# 1 I’m a loser for blogging, # 2 Gina was impressive, #3 why was the womens fight stopped, #4 why was title fight stopped, #5 Kimbo’s sweep when in crusifix was fixed (I disagree, but she’s the one with the BJJ background), and finally that the doctor (I think stupid bitch was exact phrase) sucked!
I thought the fights were exciting, but the show exposed elite for what I thought all along…a second rate company with a guy who can’t beat anyone in the top 100, carrying the company on his back.
and last, 2-0 with a sub??? he’s 3-0, 2ko’s and a sub…right?
sorry so long!
by kevin on Jun 1, 2008 3:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your wife is a smart lady!
I thought the dancers, fireworks, and stoppages SUCKED! What a horrible prodcut! I couldn’t not stand the crappy announcers referencing the UFC like they knew what was going on in the world of MMA. They couldn’t tell me one thing about the fights they were watching, neither knew what Gina was doing with here GoGo Plata (spell ?). Nice fight for Gina, but it was stopped. The best fight of the night was stop becuase of an eye poke? That was a complete war and they stopped it, what a mess. And Shaw’s fat ass in the ring to hug everyone…dumb ass. I will not be watching again.
by mac daddy on Jun 1, 2008 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I called the Baroni fight to be fight of the night…too bad his entrance was longer than the fight!
by kevin on Jun 1, 2008 3:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lastly, with all the bad stoppages, what about the horrible no stoppage?? Kimbo was done in rd. 2!!! He wasn’t intelligently defending the elbows with 45 or so seconds left. His arm was trapped, head against cage, and basically out!!
by kevin on Jun 1, 2008 3:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was screaming for a stoppage at that point. even if he (kimbo) was giving a thumbs up, the rules of mma and a tko state that if a fighter is not intelligently defending strikes or unanswered blows. 40+ elbows to the face and no defence or stoppage. that fight was fixed and the whole show was a joke aside from two. i did LOL when thompson bitchslapped the ref.
by sparxx on Jun 2, 2008 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
comments mania, I’m on west coast and didn’t watch till now, cmon man, I know it’s middle of night…PLEASE post my remarks!!
by kevin on Jun 1, 2008 3:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
is there anywhere I can see the press conference? and Kimbo will be fightin butterbean or gannon next time out…either that or the rumor I heard is he’ll fight 10 1st graders at once…and submit them all!!
by kevin on Jun 1, 2008 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dam Kevin! your supposed to drink BEERS not COFFEE 6 straight posts. (lol)
by JV on Jun 1, 2008 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol over a 45 min period, weren’t getting posted, I work nights, so I’m always up!! And don’t drink..lol! how’d you like the event JV?
by kevin on Jun 1, 2008 3:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
check it out here: http://www.mmarated.com/users/video/163/535.html;jsessionid=225416D3A18184CA72C817C0C73A8742
by ajadoniz on Jun 1, 2008 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I want now it to see Kimbo in with a real fighter, I don’t want any more hacks in with him! Put a true MMA dude in there and watch him get dismantled! I don’t care who it might be:
Mir – would have him tapped in 60 sec
Vera – would leg kick him to a wheel chair for a week
Hell even Tim Silvia would lay and pray him to a sub.
XC is a BAD BAD BAD product, unwatchable. To bad Gina is signed with them.
Oh yea…Have fun in that group Tito!!!
by mac daddy on Jun 1, 2008 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
california kid vs. lil evil oooooooooooooooooh yeah
by james c on Jun 1, 2008 8:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said it countless times in the days leading up to the Elite card, and I will say it again: THE FIX WAS IN.
Point 1: Referee stands the fighters up when Thompson has side control. Referees stand fighters up from full guard, sometimes half guard but NEVER when one has a dominant position like side mount or full mount.
Point 2: Kimbo spends last 1:20 of round two taking elbows to the face. Yes, they were pretty weak elbows, but he did NOTHING to defend himself or try to work his way out. Ref didn’t even issue a warning for him to work.
Point 3: The premature stoppage looks bad enough on its own, but is even worse when you look at Point 2. Thompson was one or two punches from being finished, but he was still upright and defending. He got rocked a couple other times and responded with takedowns. In a non-fixed fight the ref would have given him the opportunity to do the same this time.
The good thing about this is that by having advance knowledge of the fix, I was able to cash in. :)
by PW on Jun 1, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In round 2 the ref did issue a warning, but the bad thing is that he issued it to both fighters even tho slice is on his back and Thompson was hitting him with marshmallow elbows. He said I’m going to stand you guys up if you’re not going to work. I had to rewind it a few times to make sure I heard it right. Calling that MMA was just disrespectful to the sport. The only thing that would have sealed the deal on that crap was if Don King had been the promoter.
by bu11dog on Jun 1, 2008 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Couldn’t agree more. I could have sworn that Kimbo had tapped when he was getting guillotine choked also. Elite XC will fail it does this again on national Tv.
by Big E on Jun 1, 2008 1:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WEC will definitely help me wash the bad taste out of my mouth, courtesy of the Fat Man, Gary Shaw. What a bad guy for the sport. Someone fire this douche, please!
by Cool Hand Chad on Jun 1, 2008 1:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As Phoenix Cardinal fans and L.A. Clipper fans have discovered, you can’t fire the owner.
by PW on Jun 1, 2008 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you said is mania…this was a terrible night of fights for mma fans…bj penn would kick kimbos ass wouldnt he?
by newfie on Jun 1, 2008 1:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Told yall! YES BJ and any other top ten ranked fighter in any division would beat down Kimbo or at least wear him out. Thats right, Faber, Stevenson, hell even Edgar would beat Kimbo!! I dont want to hear anything, no “what, Edgar, NO WAY!” yes way you fools!!! ENTIRE EVENT WAS FIXED!!!! To promote the people (not real fighters) that needed to be promoted. Gary Shaw is the worst thing to ever happen to MMA. Thank you Dana for not getting involved with him in any fashion or the UFC could have ended tonight also. Shit man, i missed the ultimate Iceman for this sham!! Wheres the kimbo lovers now??
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 1, 2008 3:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow…. I though Boxing was rigged….Then comes Gary Shaw and turns MMA into a fixed BS.
Somewhere in Vegas, Dana must be laughing his ass off.
by liukangstoupee on Jun 1, 2008 1:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dana is giggling like a little school girl. he probably cant wait until he gets a camera or microphone in front of him.
by ajadoniz on Jun 1, 2008 9:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is funny!!! I never thought I would want to see Dana on my tube!
by mac daddy on Jun 1, 2008 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was all I could think about while I laughed watching Kimbo get his ass whooped! lol I think I’m done posting about how harsh of an event this was, good thing for those KO’s early on.
by Toms Bombs on Jun 1, 2008 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully everyone who posts on here about how everything Dana does is bad for the sport got their eyes opened to what a guy who is truly bad for MMA looks like.
by PW on Jun 1, 2008 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely embarrassing for the sport.
The worst part is going to be Monday, when all the media is concentrated on this debacle. Meanwhile, the WEC will put on a great show like they always do, and will be completely ignored.
by IceMuncher on Jun 1, 2008 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you alL HATE I’VE SEEN EVERY ELITE XC FIGHT AND IF YOU LIKEE MMA NOT THE UFC WHICH THE WORD F94K HAS IN IT!!!!
RAED THE INTERVIEW IN ROLLING STONE JUST OUT MANIA YOU SHOULD HAVE SOMETHING ON THIS!!!!!!!
JAMES YOUR A UFC NUTHUGGER EVERY FIGHT TONIGHT WAS GOOD THOUGH ENTERTAINING FOR FREE FOR 3 HOURS SUM UFC ’S WER ENOT WORTH 20 DOLLARS LET ALONE 44-60 BUCKS
YOU HATE
by GORANDY on Jun 1, 2008 1:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can’t even read what that says, anyone want to translate?
by bk on Jun 1, 2008 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
F u you hav enothing to say your a hater
it was entertaining you all writers on here have no life
you live ina fantasy fight world
u all love DANA well he doesn’t even read no not even an emaol of it’s longer that 3-4 words!!!!
dana not so f-ing smart read the rolling stone intervieew..its all about the ufc not mma
it ’s all about DANA too not the fighters
DANA hasn’t even talked to his mother in over 3=4 years!!! she said hes a jerk..ha no kidding and DANA will be the end og the ufc that coucky basT#$D!!!1
by GORANDY on Jun 1, 2008 2:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow dude, thats pretty ridiculous. Your defending a show that nobody in their right minds would defend. I’m not even sure what Gary Shaw could say to try and spin that event. What has Dana done to ruin the UFC? Not cross promote? Well he used to when there was real competition, for example Pride. I don’t think one person on that card was worthy of a fight with anyone in the UFC, not counting Smith and Lawler who were already in it. Also I assume your on the Randy train by your name and maybe even Tito as well. Well those guys keep complaining about money but Tito was making 210K for just fighting, not even winning. Randy was getting paid the second most in the UFC so he was making even more than that per fight. The UFC is going nowhere and Dana will keep it on track and keep the name legit. I don’t see XC being considered legit anymore at all. They can try but everytime a fight goes to decision now I’ll be questioning the verdict.
by Smokes on Jun 1, 2008 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn’t get any of that either… if you honestly think elite xc is better than the ufc then good for you. I’ll watch the top athletes in the world fight in the ufc and you can watch your freak show. and who cares about dana and his mother?? you should be worried about the quality of the fighters not the promoter’s personal life
by bk on Jun 1, 2008 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whats up with the GoRandy guy? Get something to help you spell bro. Go back and read your own post, I bet you cant.
by JV on Jun 1, 2008 3:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A GoRandy man lets go old school, and find you hooked on phonics. Damn, his grammar is as bad as an LAUSD kindergarden student in summer school.
by dandeman on Jun 1, 2008 4:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey GoRandy, I have a message for you from Carlos Mencia: Dee dee dee.
by PW on Jun 1, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow,
I truely hope Gorandy isn’t the “NEW” breed of fan in MMA, go back and watch WWE or TNA. you posess the intelligence of a toddler. I love UFC but as you will see in the not so distant future the only real competition to then will be dream which looks like a clone of pride
by Butter teeth on Jun 1, 2008 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly bro, I can’t even understand most of that, but I’m not hating. I actually had a really good time at the fights and thought most of them were badass. Right up until the part where I was robbed out of the ending to three great fights, the 3 headlining fights for crying out loud. Its just disappointing. I’m not a UFC nuthugger because I have issues with the stoppages in those fights. There’s no basis to that accusation. For the most part Elite XC is all I write about dude. I defend them as much as I can. I just feel like I got robbed tonight out of three great fights. The card was good, the fighters performed great, there were even 2 or 3 kick ass undercard fights. I’m just disappointed the ref and the doctors ruined that.
by James Iannotti on Jun 1, 2008 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am predicting it now…Kimbo vs. Mick Foley in a ladder match with a tranvestite midget referre! Elite and Kimbo are a fucking joke! I would love to see Fedor pull Kimbo’s shoulder out of socket!
by Blurntox on Jun 1, 2008 5:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
James would have gotten knocked out with another punch or two, if you replay it back, his eyes completely rolled to the back of his head for at least a second and his knees were buckling hard. Whats up with that dudes ear? That was disgusting. Kimbo was a little out worked on the ground but hopefully can work out the kinks for the future.
I thought that was absolute bull shit stopping the Smith/Lawler fight. That was one of the best fights I have seen in EXC.
Well at least now we all know Kimbo has no gas, and an average ground game at best.
Loved the Carano/Young fight. Nice display of kicks from both girls.
by c-war on Jun 1, 2008 1:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nice work mania…exactly what i and probably ever true mma fan was thinking….my guess elite xc will fail…hahahaha yes dana is laughing his ass off!!!
by bernard on Jun 1, 2008 1:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wow! that was terrible, i hope that ref never refs in the UFC again after that garbage performance. he stood them up when thompson had kimbo in side control? wtf! you can hear him saying "improve your position". thats what you say when someone is sitting in guard, not side control. the only way to improve is to go to mount and some guys prefer side control cause it is more difficult to get swept forom side control. also, he had kimbo in crucifix position just like penn-hughes 2, and they stopped that fight for a title!
by Harrison on Jun 1, 2008 1:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
elite xc is a joke, they’ll be co-promoting with the wwe soon
by jonesman on Jun 1, 2008 1:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No doubt, watching that show felt like watching a WWE event. Shaw seemed more like he was doing damage control when he was coming out rather than congratulating the fighters on a good performance. They kept trying to pull pages from the UFC’s book but it just goes to show that Shaw is no Dana
by Smokes on Jun 1, 2008 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously i thought i was watching another brand from wwe
by Narhar on Jun 1, 2008 3:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a stoppage because of a busted ear? thats a new one to me… a fight is only supposed to be stopped due to a cut if it impares the vision of the fighter. watch edwin dewees from TUF 4 or penn-stevenson at UFC 80. way more blood in those fights than this one and those went on. terrible terrible terrible. dana white was right: elite xc is the AAA to the UFC major leagues
by Harrison on Jun 1, 2008 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think that’s fair to AAA baseball, which has professional athletes and legitimate competition. They have some OK fighters, but if this is the kind of event they want to stage, they won’t be around long.
by BobC on Jun 1, 2008 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good opinion … I was yelling to stop the fight on Kimbo in the 2nd but I knew EXC ppl didn’t want him to lose. Bad night for EXC and CBS. Ratings might do well but it wasn’t a good night for them in the fans’ eyes
by eazye on Jun 1, 2008 1:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well put james. gary shaw a liar? no way. lol!
by b.w. on Jun 1, 2008 1:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the fact that there were to many early stoppages. I liked what i got to see though i think Kimbo was kind of exposed a bit but at least he admits that he has alot of work to do. It was pretty evident that CBS did not want anything to brutal (for lack of a better word) to be seen. So in the end the fans get ripped off by the overprotection of an image that CBS wants to keep. I think we all know that most of the viewers that watched tonite were already MMA fans and wanted to see fighters Submit or KO there opponents or see it go the distance not see a stoppage whenever someone got a booboo or a bruise. so Elitexc’s and MMA’s national TV debut not looking so good to real MMA fans. I wasnt suprised that it went down like that i dont know why i just wasnt but i agree it still leaves a bad taste in your mouth like wow i just wasted like 2 and a half hours guess i should have just kept it on Spike TV.
by Thor1982 on Jun 1, 2008 2:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo was “kind of” exposed? Give me a break. Thompson’s top control was terrible. He wasn’t trying to mount, he wasn’t maintaining good body position, and he wasn’t making kimbo pay on the bottom. Kimbo was a whole lot more than “kind of exposed”.
Thompson’s takedowns were weak and Kimbo still couldn’t stop them. And my dad, who never watches mma, asked me, “how did the black guy win? didn’t he just get punched by the white guy right before the ref stepped in?”
And can someone tell me when Thompson became a “test”? Because in Pride and Cage Rage, he was a joke.
by JB on Jun 1, 2008 2:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL i agree that was kind of my point that we know Thompson from Pride and he was usually on the losing end of things and he made Kimbo look pretty bad. I think Kimbo should have fought Rogers but we all know why that didnt happen. Thats what happens when you try to market just a fighters name that has little actual fight experience and training. There not gonna put someone in there with Kimbo thats gonna tear his head off or break his arm in an armbar thats just bad bizness baby. And money comes first no matter where you are. But EliteXC has backed themselves into a corner now they have to put him up against rogers or someone thats halfway credible.
by Thor1982 on Jun 1, 2008 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely horrible. Fights should be decided in the ring, not by NJSAC officials.
by oleg on Jun 1, 2008 2:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i honestly think that they should never use new jersey refs ever again. they were absolute garbage last night, and even when the ufc was there last november
by zack on Jun 1, 2008 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UR RITE WEC WILL MAKE MMA THINGS RITE TOMORROW NITE
GO TORRES!
by Big D on Jun 1, 2008 2:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what’s up with the fan’s booing in the Lawler fight???? That was an incredible fight. I pretended as if I was watching a MMA event for the first time… it was very disappointing to see fights being stopped for questionable reasons. Baroni needs to retire..what a joke.
by PGP on Jun 1, 2008 2:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE MMA BUT MORE BS LIKE THAT AND I’M DONE WITH ELITE XC I’M ALL ABOUT OTHER ORGANIZATIONS UP AND COMING TO COMPETE WITH THE UFC JUST NOT SAVING THEIR FIGHTERS ESPECIALLY IN THE LAST ROUND!
by Big D on Jun 1, 2008 2:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There is no question in my mind that Kimbo is not ready for the best MMA has to offer. I don’t care if you think he needs time or what not, Thompson’s ground game was embarrassing at best and Kimbo couldn’t quite handle it. Its even controversial that he tapped out at one point but I can look past that cause it obviously wasn’t strong enough, if it was Kimbo would have been sleeping. Anyway the whole show felt more like a WWE event than anything and the announcing was terrible as well. I hope Shaw is gone after this, every time a fight was over he came out and it seemed more like he was doing damage control rather than congratulating the fighters. I don’t want to see another EXC show again, and I agree with the writer of this article I don’t think MMA should be on free television if the sport gets mocked that bad. Did anyone hear those “fans”, they were booing for the best fight of the night. NOOBS!
by Smokes on Jun 1, 2008 2:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IF KIMBO WOULD HAV DONE HIS JOB AND KNOCKED JAMES OUT THERE WOULD BE NO QUESTIONS AND AS FAR AS THE GINA FIGHT I DIDN’T SEE KAITLIN CONTESTING THE STOPPAGE LIKE JAMES THOMPSON WAS!
by Big D on Jun 1, 2008 2:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Total bs stoppages. Thompson’s arms were still up and would’ve at least shoot on him, buy most likely one more punch would’ve been it. I had him 20-18 going into the 3rd. Those announcers were all over Kimbo’s nuts. EXC is not going to last on CBS, and with true MMA fans.
I’ll be at Arco Arena tomorrow for Urijah’s big win!!!!!
by DirtbagHtr on Jun 1, 2008 2:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
EAH ur opinion JAMES?!?!?!!? Jesse H/ is just trying to make money off of people like us on his site and now is he’s a sellout and now he just knocks elite out of the water why now elite have been putting on sjows for a time now!!!?!?!?!
mma mania is a nuthugger to the UFC
NYCE
you so political MMA
YOU tapped into what you think wil be bug too you no better thatn u calim the ifl or elite or affliction is mmamania you always hug dana by his nice furry baulz
this is not real journalisim…we;re not affiliated by the ufc when u were ufc mania cuz zuffa daddy got mad at you and now you selling ufc videeos, oh and pride videos danan states he bought pride just to buy off any compitition…i mean what a dick move if dana did not care about his ufs than mma.
his mom doesnt even like him DANa is a dan king of sorts
by GORANDY on Jun 1, 2008 2:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
time to go to bed buddy. sleep it off. big glass of water before you do though.
by that spida on Jun 1, 2008 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are truely showing your intelligence GO RANDY…keep spewing off with your dicksucker why we all laugh at you
by Butter teeth on Jun 1, 2008 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude you need to lay off the drugs. Just stop posting cause your making yourself look DUM!
by JV on Jun 1, 2008 3:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus Christ man! I have one word for you Dude: Dictionary. Read it, know it, live it! I have never read, really Dude I can’t read what you are trying to say, something with such appauling literary disfuncionality. Take the time to spell check, it makes reading, and in your case understanding, so much more interesting for the reader!
by Ray on Jun 1, 2008 5:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s Don King’s illegitimate white cousin twice removed from his Mother’s side. Instead of the spiked,salt-and-pepper hair, he’s got a mullet and its blonde with pink highlights. I believe it may in fact be Gorandys Dad, but Maury Povich hasn’t gotten the test results back yet. I got my fingers crossed for you buddy!
by Ray on Jun 1, 2008 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a sad day for MMA. Not only were tonight’s fights disappointing, but they had to be fixed. Never have I seen such absurd calls by the refs and doctors as they did tonight. What an embarrasment for Elite XC. Because of tonight I am cancelling Showtime and never watching such stupidifying fights again. Do they think the real MMA fans don’t know what kind of stunts they tried to pull. Thank God for Dana and the UFC!
by PACO on Jun 1, 2008 2:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great blog post. Even if Thompson was on his way to being KO’d, let the fight take it’s course and see what happens.
by Shinjo5 on Jun 1, 2008 2:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Imagine what Couture, Arlovsky, Monson, Silvia, or even Kongo would do to Bimbo Slice. So much hype and such a sub-par performance. Laughable really. Moving on: Scott Smith sure can take a punch, can’t he? And Gina, if you ever read this, I’m soooooo in love…
by BigRedOne on Jun 1, 2008 2:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Couture, Arlovski, Monson, Silvia, or Kongo? What about even Hardonk, Sanchez, and Wellish? Seriously, there is not a UFC Heavyweight that would LOSE to Kimbo Slice. I think Brad Imes would even beat Kimbo.
by JB on Jun 1, 2008 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brad Imes would CRUSH Bimbo. No question.
by BobC on Jun 1, 2008 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What an absolute joke, haha. I can’t believe how many people jumped on the Kimbo bandwagon. It just shows what I’ve been saying all along. He’s nothing but a street fighter who would get his ass kicked by any REAL mma fighter. Imagine him against Fedor, Couture, Big Nog, Sylvia, Werdum, Arlovski, MIR (yes, Mir), Barnett, Gonzaga, Cro Cop, etc, et fucking c.
All of you idiots that bought into the hype… hahahaha, what a JOKE. Did you see that excuse for a ground game???? HAHAHAHA. Watch WEC tonight, that’s REAL MMA.
by R-Dizzle on Jun 1, 2008 2:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’m a huge mma fan and anytime there’s a free fight on tv, count me in…it’s just too bad that this was the event to be shown on primetime…..
by jjsixxer on Jun 1, 2008 2:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i LIKED THA FIGHTS JUST HORRIBLE STOPPAGES LET UR FIGHTERS FINISH THA FIGHTS OR DON’T PUT THEM ON THE AIR FOR FREE KIMBO/ROBBIE
by Big D on Jun 1, 2008 2:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fixed. i will never watch an eliteXC event ever again. kimbo match was pathetic.
by captainbilldude on Jun 1, 2008 2:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re-watch the Young stoppage. Her orbital bone or some cheek bone had to be broke to be sticking out like that. I thought it was just, no need to risk permanent damage.
by JoshMan on Jun 1, 2008 2:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice job covering the event tonight James, good recap
by Jesse Holland on Jun 1, 2008 2:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh, and before anyone says “Well, this was his 3rd professional MMA fight, what do you expect??” No, STFU. Thompson had side control, and the ref stopped the fight and stood them up!!!! HAHAHA wtf?!??!. Wow.
I won’t even get into that. The reason I won’t accept “it’s only his 3rd MMA fight” excuse is because he was the fucking main event!! Are you kidding me!??! What a piece of shit. Mania can censor this post all they want. This card was a joke, and I was saying it from the beginning. EliteXC is a circus. That’s all. If you want real MMA, tune into the UFC, Dream, WEC, etc. That’s it.
When Lesnar had his first MMA fight, at least it was against someone credible like Mir. And it wasn’t the main event!! Don’t even try to compare the two.
IDIOTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by R-Dizzle on Jun 1, 2008 2:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man I think Gary Shaw wants to kill himself right now, no joke.
Poor Gary, he thought he could start a MMA promotion, try and build a few stars, get a netowrk deal and everything would work itself out.
I dont dislike Gary Shaw, but objectivelly, he thinks MMA is boxing, when they couldnt be more different.
He is treating mixed martial arts as a combination of boxing and professional wrestling, and placing too much emphasis on the entertainment aspect, driving it up to 11 on the volume knob.
Gary thinks that building a star in boxing is the same as building a star in MMA. He fails to realize that MMA is so much more difficult to predict then boxing is. You cant just match up your biggest star with can after can and expect the biggest star to mow them all down, it works in boxing because boxing is so one dimensional and much easier to predict.
I also objectivelly think that Kimbo, while he will be a quality fighter in time, and has alot of heart, he will never be a top 10 fighter in his lifetime. He simply does not have a good base. The most successfull MMAers right now you notice they all have a reputable BJJ or wrestling background which Kimbo does not. Street boxing is probably the most limited and unfunctional base to start from. Firstly because he only has experience punching and taking a punch, and not even technicaly so.
when gary shaw noticed kimbo, he said he saw someone with natural head movement and hard punches, which actually indicates a good potential BOXER not a good potential FIGHTER.
Shaw says he cares about the sport of MMA but subconsciously he really feels MMA is just a sloppy form of boxing with other shit added in.
Tito says Dana White is the new Don King, but however much of an ass he may e, he has furthered this sport by leaps and bounds and will dontinue to do so, because like it or not, Dana has a very deep understanding of fighting.
Gary Shaw only has a deep understanding of boxing, not fighting. He once said if Tito and Kimbo fought, Kimbo would KO Tito. Not only would this be untrue, but Shaw said “Tito would try and take him down and submit him.” again, Tito is not a submission guy, he takes people down and mincesthem up with elbows and gnp. Gary Shaw claims to have alot of knowledge of mma when in fact what he truly knows about fighting is only the boxing aspect, not much else.
by rhys on Jun 1, 2008 2:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
jealousy will get you nowhere brother. mmamania is the best site on the internet for mma period, and jesse holland is probably the best writer associated with this sport. and whats wrong with trying to make a buck? sleep it off bro…
by that spida on Jun 1, 2008 2:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God i would love to feed Sherk to Kimbo and let him be demolished ! How many times did you see Kimbo’s lazy ass guard ?
by JP on Jun 1, 2008 2:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
anyone have the girls fight on youtube?
by Rubberman on Jun 1, 2008 2:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that was the biggest joke of a so called mma bout I’ve ever seen!! as an mma fan who’s watched the sport evolve for the last 14yrs I was in shock. the ref was a complete joke…he stopped each of the first 2bouts way to early…and if he had ref’d ginas fight it would have been stopped early also. now to kimbos fight…..in the 2nd round thompson had kimbos arm pinned for the better part of 2:00 and for a good :45 was droppin elbows on kimbos face…albeit not good ones, but the rules say “the fighter must intelligently defend themselves” which kimbo wasn’t doing. clearly the ref (and gary shaw) hoped kimbo would make it thru the round and somehow drop a big shot in rnd 3, and as soon as he did the ref stepped in to stop it.wtf????!!!! he was still on his feet!! complete joke…but we all know if kimbo were to lose elite xc goes down the crapper, so what do you expect? only person smiling tonight is dana white as he now knows ufc has NO COMPETITION!! a 2nd rate fighter like frank mir would have finished kimbo in the 1st…
by tim in phx on Jun 1, 2008 2:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m surprised Thompson didn’t go down after the uppercut straight under the chin. He looked like a rock’em sock’em robot for a second. Total BS stoppage by ref Dan Mirglistoppa! The fight should have been stopped in 2nd round & Kimbo got robbed of a highlight reel KO. Epic fail Gay Shaw, Epic Fail.
by Juner671 on Jun 1, 2008 3:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well..after watching this event I’m so grateful that we have the UFC on spike tv. Everyone can agree that smith/lawler fight was stopped too early.
Kimbo’s weakness has been exposed: below average ground game and he needs to work on his conditioning…imagine him fighting in a 5 round fight. I really think that thompson was winning the fight and in that 2nd round kimbo ate about 8 unanswered elbows, ref could have stopped it.
I dont understand why did the ref stop the fight and neither fighter was knocked out.
MMA fans are smart and they can smell a fake a mile away…Gary Shaw.
by Salman on Jun 1, 2008 3:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just got a couple of things that I wanna say……
1) I kinda agree with the stoppage in the Carano/Young fight. I also can see where some people think it was a BS call and she could’ve continued, but Young was pretty banged up and her eye was almost shut after the 2nd round. There was no point for her to go out for the 3rd round and take more damage. Overall I thought it was a good fight.
2) The Lawler/Smith no contest was a load of CRAP!!!! That fight was one of the best back and forth battles I’ve seen in a while. The doctor should have given Scott Smith the 5 min. to recover. He definitely could’ve continued. To see such an awesome fight end the way it did was garbage.
3) Kimbo Slice is the most overrated and protected fighter in MMA!!!!! James Thompson was hand picked for Kimbo to destroy and he barely squeaked out the win. That fight was stopped way too quickly. Some people may say that Thompson was nearly out on his feet and probably would have gone out with one or two more punches, but he was in the same situation in the second round right before he got the takedown and finished the round on top of Kimbo. Plus, even though they weren’t the most effective strikes, if that were in any other organization that fight would’ve been stopped in the second round with Thompson getting the stoppage win, but because it was Kimbo Slice and Gary Shaw couldn’t afford his “top fighter” to lose they let the fight go. Completely bad call.
If it weren’t for all that controversy, I would’ve ranked this card a 8.5 out of 10, but because of all of that nonsense I’d give it a 5….actually I’ll give it a 6 cuz at least Bill Goldberg wasn’t a commentator.
by B.P.D.H. on Jun 1, 2008 3:06 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A 6 . . . You dont know SH*T! Everything else was kind of accurate, but how can you call a fixed event a 6, would you give a WCW event a 6 f they said it was MMA and not fake??? Id give it a 2 and thats just cause of the girl fight (fight of the night to me) and the colleyflower burst, NASTY!!!! It was trash man, and i hope CBS cancells this deal and doesnt embaress it self any further.
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 1, 2008 4:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares? The fight was FREE lol
All I care about is Gina… even after a 3 week training camp she still pwns. All skills.
Also, highlight of the night was when Kimbo popped Thompson’s ear. WTF!
by damaja on Jun 1, 2008 3:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The WCW of MMA….trashy, cheap and full of rejects from the better organization
by RiverHorror on Jun 1, 2008 3:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I guess my second post was a little too much. Oh well, this card and PPV was complete garbage.
by R-Dizzle on Jun 1, 2008 3:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah hopefully this will calm down the Kimbo hype machine significantlly, seeing as how he was so exposed on national TV.
by rhys on Jun 1, 2008 3:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what pile of steaming shit
this card was
by Gaylord Focker on Jun 1, 2008 3:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree, the best fight of the night was stopped because of a finger in the eye. I would never pay to watch this garbage(Good thing it was free). Long live the UFC! As much as I don’t like Dana the UFC puts on the best cards and the next best thing would have to be this affliction card, but it’s still not UFC 84. Adrenaline may be able to put on a few good shows but after Fedor beats Sylvia and Arlovski, then what? Hong Man Choi Vs. Fedor 2, LOL. Maybe they will be able to put the Fedor and Randy fight together when Randy finally settles his legal issues with the UFC, by that time he may be pushing 50. Randy should have just stayed in the UFC and honored his contract, to hell with Fedor.
by jimmy_dean on Jun 1, 2008 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
u know i usually can disagree with at least somethiing NOT THI STIME WELL SAID ,ALTHOUGH I THINK SHAWSY HAS MORE THEN JUST KIMBO ,I THINK HE’LL BE FINE ,BUT GREAT POST AND EXCELLENT POINTS THE NIGHT WILL ONLY AID DANA WHITE WITH VERBAL BARRAGES
by cidcyanide on Jun 1, 2008 3:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hey guys PLEASE give me some feedback on this.
Kimbo Slice on The Ultimate Fighter 8
cmon, how is that not AWESOME!
think about it, he is an inexperienced up and comer with a heart of steel, who will draw big ratings.
DANA, MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!!!!
by rhys on Jun 1, 2008 3:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THE BULLSHIT I HATED WAS WHEN THOMPSON WAS ON TOP FOR 1:23 UNANSWERED SHOTS MERGLIOTTA DIDNT STOP IT ,IF THAT WAS KIMBO ON TOP ….OH BOY 30 SECONDS WOULDNT ELAPSE ,SHAW FARCEED HIMSELF ,GARY YOUR ANNOUNCE TEAM MINUS RENALLO IS THE WORSE IVE EVER SEEN EVEN YAMMA HAD A BETTER ANNOUNCE TEAM CMON JIMMY LENNIN JR//??THE ONLY THING JR ABOUT HIM IS HIS TIME LEFT ON EARTH
by cidcyanide on Jun 1, 2008 3:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No I think it’s LHW like the ufc doesn’t have enough.
by jimmy_dean on Jun 1, 2008 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
CAN WE SAY WWE!!!GARY SHAW IS AN IDIOT AND HE SO BADLY WANTS TO BE DANA WHITE IT IS SICK.HE WILL DO ANYTHING, EVEN FIX FIGHTS TO LOOK GOOD BUT HIS PRODUCT SUCKS.EVERYBODY KNOCKS DANA BUT THEY ARE QUICK TO FORGET DANA AND HIS FRIENDS SAVED MMA AND MADE IT MAIN STREAM. KIMBO WAS DONE WHEN HE WAS GETTING ELBOWED AND NOT PROTECTING HIMSELF.GARY SHAW CAN PICK ANY FIGHTER IN THE UFC AND THEY WILL SMASH kimbo. KIMBO WANTS TO FIGHT CHUCK LIDDELL THAT WOULD BE A LAUGHER.I HOPE THIS COMPANY FOLDS AND GARY SHAW CAN GO BACK TO WORKING AT TACO BELL AND NOT TURN ANYBODY ELSE OFF OF MMA.
by brandon on Jun 1, 2008 3:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lawler/smith was the best fight of the night by far but i wish it wouldn’t have been stopped. kimbo’s fight was obviously fixed. the fight should have been stopped when kimbo was getting pounded on with undefended blows for a minute and a half. fixed is the only word to describe that.
and this goes out to GORANDY: you need to type in english and not jibberish. did you even watch the fights? you would have to be mentally ill to be defending the disaster that gary shaw put on national television.
what exc did tonight should not in any way be defended. it is people like you that let companies like exc make bs stoppages like the kimbo fight. and you cannot honestly call yourself an mma fan and not be upset with exc right now. it was ridiculous. you were either drunk when you watched it or you really are mentally ill. and you’re attacking the ufc for absolutely no reason and they put on a far better show than exc. you are just hating without a just cause.
by killswitch on Jun 1, 2008 3:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this whole event was a joke. the only good fight was the for the title but even then it was stopped, its ridiculous they didnt give him the 5 minutes to recover. on a side note, phil baroni dancing his way to the cage was just retarded
by Narhar on Jun 1, 2008 3:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WOW!!
I can’t believe all the haters in here.
This is my first post and i’ve been a mma fan for 5 years and I thought this card was great from top to bottom. The fights had great action and the production was terrific compared to recent network fights(most notable the contender final on nbc).
We all have to remember that this wasn’t a card or show for mma fans(all of which have commented here)but an intro to those who don’t watch mma. That being said I agree with most on here that there were too many BS stoppages and Shaw was nuthugging the cbs execs, but PLEASE don’t act like this was a black eye for mma.
The carrano/young fight stoppage i thought legit. The kimbo stoppage was way early but we ALL know thats Shaw working his magic at what he does best(having fights end controversly but banking in on it). But we have to remember Kimbo only has 3 fights and I for one am not writing him off quite yet albeit a lackluster performance tonight. The Smith/Lawler was complete BS but great action before. That was obviously cbs stepping in with their own paid doctor to make sure NO ONE got to seriously hurt. All in all I personally think this was a success, not perfect but how can’t except that for the first network mma show. UFC on cbs probably would have fell victim to the same politics that EliteXC did which is why they didn’t sign on. But if this brings in more fans and makes mma bigger in whole. I got no complaints
by LouShine on Jun 1, 2008 3:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
1. The carano fight was awesome
2. The lawler fight was just amazing.( I understand they have to protect the fighters)
3. Brett rogers is a fighter to watch for in the future.
4. The kimbo fight was a good fight…Those thompson shots on the ground in the second were not doing any damage…look at the fight and half way thru the hits from thompson, kimbo gives a “thumbs up” on the ground…thompson was taking to much damage; i agree with the stoppage.
5. IT WAS FREEEEE!!!!!……..stop complaining u idiots. I had fun watching it.
by big man on Jun 1, 2008 3:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent analysis. I think every MMA fan around the world saw it exactly the way you did. I just hope this doesn’t any long-lasting effects on the devevolpment of the sport. I feel terrible for the fighters though, they fought their asses off only to be screwed by doctors and judges.
by FedCro on Jun 1, 2008 3:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Baroni’s entrance was longer than the fight itself
by Gaylord Focker on Jun 1, 2008 3:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what an embarressing night for mixed martial arts. the stupid dancers, explosins, wwe entrances. baroni and his retared sunglasses and vest lips puckering. what the F? the best fight was caronos. elites a joke. i watched ufc wired afterward and felt refressed
by john morales on Jun 1, 2008 3:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Side show from top to bottom. THE ENTIRE EVENT WAS FIXED!! Not a doubt in my mind! And that colleyflower ear bursting was the iceing on a freakshow cake! The same ref reffing every fight (trying to create a Big JohnLMAO!)?? Gary Shaw in the ring after every fight(Danas everywhere, EVERYWHERE! BUT he only steps in the ring to put belts on fighters. Period. AND he would never speak into the mic, thats what pre/post fight pressers are for!)? Kimbo getting punched/elbowed for 2 min and 10 seconds of a round without moving and no stoppage?? Then an immediate stoppage at the first punch Kimbo through in the 3rd??? Kimbos opponent was rocked in the 2nd way worse and closed that round out with a beat down!!! If i was the guy that just got robbed i would have body slammed that ref, not just slapped him! Then i would have found Shaw as well and pocket checked that b*tch for his checkbook and cash!!!! F*CK EXC, F*CK K.SLICE, F*CK G.SHAW, And f*ck CBS for almost ruining this sport by calling what they did tonight MMA! Even Vince McMahon would be dissapointed!
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 1, 2008 3:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good post bro! Maybe we’ll calm down by tomorrow.
by JV on Jun 1, 2008 4:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope, just in disbelief huh man, we might not agree on BJ Penn/GSP, but we are true MMA fans and know when we are seeing MMA or a pre planned event. BJ/GSP aside, one love to the true MMAist and their fans like me and you and 90% of the people on this website, i feel bad for the sport tonight and bad for Kimbo (he obviously got involved with a snake promoter that could have got him HURT BADLY tonight!) Just about money and fireworks for shaw, loser!
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 1, 2008 4:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
daym adam… scripted from top to bottom. F*ck elitexc, gary shaw AND everybody in elitexc including robbie lawler, kimbo, scott smith etc for trying to tell us THAT is what mma is. i got a really creepy feeling watching that BS. kimbo / thompson were not even sweating! scott smith & lawler were talking to each other in the clinch!!! lol. In a REAL fight Kimbo would have been finished off lights out 3 seconds into the crucifix. ELITEXC IS FAKE!!! The thing that piss me off is that these wins and losses will go on sh@rdog and contaminate the books. Its a sad day for the sport. I’m not betting another dime on mma and if I’m not posting on mania as often, you’ll know why. gary and elitexc couldn’t have fuct up the sport more than they did by putting on that WWE sh*t.
Biggest conspiracy on earth. Even the people in this website who are posting that it was a good show… look at their screennames. Do you recognize them? Who are they? The truth will come out eventually. F*CK ELITEXC!
by kama kaze on Jun 1, 2008 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s an auto-generated response stupid.
by Jesse Holland on Jun 1, 2008 3:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don’t have to repeat my opinions of Kimbo, he done all the explaining himself with his actions or inactions more accurately.
Any other fight with any other organisation, the fight would have been stopped with a GNP win for Thompson at 4.15 of the second round. No doubt whatsoever!!!!
by Automation on Jun 1, 2008 3:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Lets not even get into the dancers, the fireworks, the phil barroniness, the rappers intoducing fighters, the girl fighter not making weight, the fixed fights LMAO!! What a joke man, thank god this was free, if we all would have paid for it Shaw would be burned at the stake by now!
by ( (Adam G) ) on Jun 1, 2008 4:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I enjoyed the fights,
But I cringe when I think of what new people thought of that debacle.
Just because you hate the UFC for some reason, doesn’t mean you have to defend mickey mouse bullshit like this
Go talk up Dream or Affliction something that has some integrity.
Also, ya sleep it off.
by ShaiZ on Jun 1, 2008 4:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bottom Line:
Elite XC=Garbage.
Hooray for Pulver VS. Faber
by Chris K. on Jun 1, 2008 4:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HOORAY FOR BEER!!! oh and Faber/Pulver!
by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 1, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At some point the announcer attempted to sell Kimbo by relating the fact that he was once homeless and had to CRAP ANYWHERE HE COULD. Why are you telling me this sir? Wtf does this have to with fighting? Oh yeah, I almost forgot…He’s from the streets bro!
Standing them up when Mr. Wobbly had side control? Fix.SAVE KIMBO!!
U Notice Thompson was as wobbly as new born lamb when he was walking out BEFORE the fight? the Sacrificial lamb.
3 good fights stopped to avoid upsetting network sensiblities. SHAM.
Remember…the fighter’s safety is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING…after saving Kimbo that is.
The girl fight was pretty good. Gina very nice.Also Please do not infect MMA with Rappers and Assorted Slutty Cheerleaders, very unnecessary. Forced.
Overall, some decent fighting amongst a load of CHEESE.
Baroni can now begin his career as an exotic dancer.
by FritoBandito on Jun 1, 2008 4:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I knew this were gonna get fishy when after the Rogers fight Shaw runs up and is telling him what he should say (presumably). He wasn’t just telling him “Good fight.” Those were directives. Anyone else catch that?? I figured there would be a dive in the Kimbo fight but the end result had its own question marks.
by PJJ on Jun 1, 2008 4:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shaw did the same thing after the Baroni fight. The winner (can’t even remember his name) was looking at Shaw with that HUH? look on his face.
by Jrandolph on Jun 1, 2008 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the refs/doctors/cbs screwed it all up. bs.
by slocruiser on Jun 1, 2008 4:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What kind of crap was that? Kimbo is a joke he’s nothing but a sideshow with a horrible haircut and freakish size. Someone needs to cut this guy a check and get him out of the sport. Elite’s future is hinged upon him winning at any cost. There’s no way the ref should have stopped this fight. I’m glad Thompson smacked the ref he should have whip the ref’s ass for stopping the fight. I train in Las Vegas and Kimbo couldn’t beat none of the heavy weights in my gym. His street creditability is even bogus everyone that he’s fought in the street were bums except Gannon and we saw what he did to Kimbo. He wears a beard to hide his weak chin he’s been dropped by unskilled fighters so it’s obvious he can’t take a punch. The fight game is 90% mental therefore anyone who isn’t afraid of his look would be a formidable opponent. While fighting in the street he was high on Cocaine you don’t see him sticking his chin out allowing real fighters to take a swing at it. I was once caught up in the hype but after viewing and reviewing his fight game I am not impressed. Can’t wait to see him lose then we’ll see what he’s made of. I bet once he looses he’ll be back in Miami on the block selling crack, bouncing at a nightclub or working as security for some rapper he’s a joke. Just like Mike Tyson once Buster Douglas knocked him out everyone started spanking that ass the same will happen to Kimbo. Thompson in my opinion dominated the 1st and 2nd round as a matter of fact Thompson took harder shots in the second round but the ref thought Kimbo would finish him but once Thompson took him to the ground Kimbo couldn’t get up and I believe the same would have happened in the 3rd that’s why the ref stopped it because we all know if that fight would have gone to the ground Kimbo and Elite would have been over, and CBS would have had to distance themselves from this chitterling circuit MMA league.
by vegashunter on Jun 1, 2008 5:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That event was a disgrace (excluding Robbie Lawler’s and Villasenor’s fights) to Modern MMA. The dancers were reminicent of WCW Nitro with the Nitro girls, the fights were shorter than their introductions, the entrances were that of WWE stars and the Kimbo and Gina fights seemed rigged to me.
EliteXC has talented and good fighters, but it was a complete sham and makes MMA as we know it look like a joke. Gary Shaw is being counterproductive in this sport. His only message for the Lawler fight was “I’m paying them both their win bonuses.” Who cares?! So what if you’re paying them more money from a hemorraging company?
Summary: Gary Shaw is bad for MMA.
by Sean_M on Jun 1, 2008 5:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
End of 2nd round Thompson landed 50-60 un-answered elbows and punches for a full minute in the crucifix position…and no stoppage?
Start of 3rd…the fight is ended because of 4-5 Kimbo shots to Thompson while Thompson was still intellegently defending? Stopped to cauliflower ear?!?!?!
FIXED!!!!!
by TabascoSAUCE on Jun 1, 2008 7:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How can the official not see him tap yet call the fight so quick when Thompson ate a couple punches. That is BS.
by bassy on Jun 1, 2008 7:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
show was good in a bad way. Shaw is an embarrassment to mma. Show seemed rigged. Crappy shows make me appreciate the ufc, the real deal. Elite xc is a circus, what a waste.
by oliver on Jun 1, 2008 7:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
always keep blamin the refs beacause without the refs all your favorite fighters would have had braindamage ans shit but offcourse yall keyboard fightersdont get it right… yall get in there make a war and see what happen bitches…
by onpoint on Jun 1, 2008 7:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Too bad the ref wasn’t trying to protect Kimbo’s brain when he took countless elbows to the head and didnt’ stop the fight. They weren’t the most brutal elbows in the world, but it looked like Kimbo was pretty hurt when he couldn’t stand up right away at the end of the round.
I think I heard him actually threatening to stand them when Cauliflower McGee had both arms isolated(ish) and was dropping elbows and punches pretty relentlessly. How the hell do you improve that position?
by Joe Smith on Jun 1, 2008 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im in jax fl. been training and fighting for 10 years come on over onpoint i’ll give you a good ole fashion gloves off asswhipping
by james c on Jun 1, 2008 8:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That “EXC on CBS = WCW” comment was spot on.
The way they introduced Robbie Lawler says it all, “Robbie Lawler was not re-signed to UFC because he lost his last 3 0f 4 there, but he’s the Middleweight in EXC”.
Sure, Dana White = Vince McMahon, but you can’t deny what both men have done in their respective industries.
UFC is where it’s at!
by Juner671 on Jun 1, 2008 8:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The sport takes a few steps forward, and Kimbo Slice and EliteXC make it take a few leaps back.
You can tell I’m bitter, ay? Yea, it’s garbage.
by R-Dizzle on Jun 1, 2008 8:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree, this is really going to hurt MMA. Gary Shaw is trying to turn the sport into Pro Wrestling.
by ragnarr on Jun 1, 2008 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They should change their name to Elite-FIX-C.
Anyone else get the feeling Shaw was trying to pull a Dana White by giving Smith and Lawler their win bonuses? It kinda reminded me of the TUF1 finale when Bonnar also got a contract. The difference is everyone was booing when Shaw said it.
by Perkins on Jun 1, 2008 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Elite FIX-C… I love it.
Shaw is a wannabe. Everyone knows it.
This just secured the UFC as the only legit MMA promotion.
by BikeCop on Jun 1, 2008 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, there is a better word to describe EXC….CRAP!
by Jeff on Jun 1, 2008 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was a choke that Kimbo tapped on, to my recollection. Not elbows. And he did tap.
by jess on Jun 1, 2008 9:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what a waste of an mma event i think there was more commercial and those cheerleaders dancing than fights. saturday night fights should only be based on fights not busta rymes and chicks dancing
by pat on Jun 1, 2008 9:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Thompson was about to be finished then the ref should have allowed Kimbo to FINISH him. He was rocked, but he wasn’t out. Imagine if all refs stopped the fights at the first sign of trouble, the Leben/Martin fight last year would have had a different outcome in that case. Leben was out on his feet and still pulled out the win, he was rocked far worse than Thompson was. Also Clay Guida would have beaten Roger Huerta by second round KO, and Scott Smith would have lost to Pete Sell at the TUF 4 finale. I could go on and on. I 100 percent agree with James Iannotti on the write up. This was one of the worst shows I have ever seen.
by ragnarr on Jun 1, 2008 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you. I know they got scared seeing Thompson’s ear hang like that during the fight, but if Kimbo was gonna finish him, they should have just let Kimbo finish him. Knock him out, or knock him to the ground and pound him out, but don’t stop it before the fight is finished.
by Jase on Jun 1, 2008 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So I decided to check this out at the last minute. Missed the Rogers/Murphy bout completely. Watching Phony Baloney get beat is always a treat for me so that almost made the whole show worth it. Maybe that’s where I should have just stopped watching. The Carano/Young fight was looking pretty decent, but I felt like it got stopped too early. Kaitlin Young could have kept on banging, and she was looking good against Gina. It’s a shame it doesn’t appear as if there’s more actual competition in women’s MMA to actually test Carano, though Young did a good job of that IMO. And then Smith/Lawler…good lord, why didn’t Smith just get his allotted time to recover, then let the fight continue? And then Kimbo/Thompson…with Thompson’s track record, I really thought Kimbo would have gotten the early KO. I was surprised by how well Thompson held up against Slice…and such a performance does not bode well for Kimbo’s future IMO. Thompson had him in serious trouble at times, and I thought the fight was going to get stopped when he was raining down unanswered blows to Kimbo’s head when they were on the ground. And while I’m not big on conspiracy angles in MMA matches, and I can understand why the fight was stopped when Thompson’s ear got busted, it certainly looked like they couldn’t wait for an excuse to stop this fight in Kimbo’s favor. I know it’s only his third or fourth MMA fight, but this guy is being marketed and pushed as the face of EliteXC and as a legitimate Heavyweight threat, when in reality he’s an up and coming rookie. If this fight is any indication, I see a string of cans for Kimbo to beat in his future with very little in the way of actual competition. While I suppose that’s fine for building up a star, Kimbo vs. guys he’s expected to beat does not a main event make, and will get old sooner rather than later. I can’t help but think that EliteXC’s first show on CBS was not the success performance-wise that they might have hoped it would be.
by Jase on Jun 1, 2008 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I felt like I wasted my saturday night sitting inside my house for 3 hours and 45 minutes to watch 5 fights. I honestly do believe that the entrances of all the fighters (especially Phil Baroni) were way too long, way too theater WWE like, and a slap in the face of MMA.
I think Strikeforce needs to be on TV live instead of Elite XC. Let Elite XC show previous matches at 2 in the morning on NBC, while Strikeforce with real main eventers like Le, Shamrock, Melendez ect go in there and show you MMA and not Kimbo Slice slugging tiredly.
by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 1, 2008 10:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and Kazuo Misaki, Strikeforce > Elite XC
by Macho Bullshit on Jun 1, 2008 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
without a doubt. Hell IFL right now is better than Elite XC.
Here is the power rankings in my opinion of organizations in the MMA
UFC
AFFLICTION
Dream
Strikeforce
WEC
IFL
Elite XC
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by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 1, 2008 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair Affliction havent held an event yet ;)
by Adam on Jun 1, 2008 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
EXACLTY! I kept asking my sons if I had missed a fight. I was just sure I had to have. No they assured me I had only missed 10 to 20 minutes of commercials Frank Shramock bloviation and scantily clad dancers.
by Jrandolph on Jun 1, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they put on a good show I’ll definitely watch their fights again i think they should of let kimbo ko thompson but thompson was one or two punches away from going to sleep lawler and smith was a great fight bullshit call though its always a good night when phil borni gets ko gina was great too
by will on Jun 1, 2008 10:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was glad I did not watched it live, but taped and therefor could fastforward the entrances. As for the fights: I actually enjoyed them. If it wasn’t for three very weird stoppages it could have been the best night EliteXC would have had so far.
The immediate appearance of Gary Shaw after the stoppage however, whispering something into the fighters ears, made me cringe inside.
BTW: Colossus Thompson vs. The Glorified Bouncer they call a referee at EliteXC was amazing.
by YouTapped on Jun 1, 2008 10:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tonight we had a bunch of 2nd rate fighters in primetime.
That doesn’t mean that the fights can’t be exciting. I usually enjoy going to any amatuer events that are in my area because the fights are usually entertaining.
I thought the fights tonight were entertaining, but the fast unwarranted stoppages made elitexc look 2nd rate at best. A note to Elitexc: Everyone knows you don’t, and never will, have the best fighters. That doesn’t mean you can’t have the best fights. Maybe next time you get a chance to shine you will let the fighters decide who wins and not the refs or promotors.
How can you explain letting Kimbo fight thru 2 solid minutes? He’s getting hammered on with no sign of fighting back and the next round the fight is stopped when a guy is practically in midswing and hasn’t even been knocked down??? What a load of crap!!!
by Clint G on Jun 1, 2008 10:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that Kimbo fight was “AWESOME” ….very entertaining…..Thompsons ear was half way ripped off his head….thats why the fight was stopped…..I didnt like this article….his ear was almost OFF his head….and I seen it in HD….CRAZY…CRAZY!!!
by Bruce on Jun 1, 2008 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol, wow.. Just wow..
You thought that was an exciting fight?!? Seriously??
And look at Thompson’s ear before the fight. It was disgusting looking. It wasn’t just cauliflower ear, it was completely swollen. Any punch to that ear would have made it look bad.
by R-Dizzle on Jun 1, 2008 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol….yeah any punch would have made it look bad…and a couple of those punches ripped half his ear off his head….the top of his ear was completly of of his head….thats why the fight was stopped….not because Thompson couldnt continue but because one more punch could have ripped his entire ear off……
by Bruce on Jun 1, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothin I can say that hasn’t already been said twelve times. Did anyone see on around the horn the other day when J.A. Adande said Kimbo is the biggest name in MMA? What a JOKE! Next time they better put Kimbo up against someone with less of a ground game than Thompson…. Is that possible? Also, Kimbo did not defend himself at all for the last 40 seconds of the 2nd round, and he was taking clean shots with his arm pinned down for the last ten seconds. Fight obviously should have been stopped. And for the finish…Good job Dan, you have now taken Herb Dean’s title. We will now call you Dan “Early Stoppage” Miragliotta.
by coonjob on Jun 1, 2008 10:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a horrible night of fighting…..after watching UFC and Pride over the years you really learn to appreciate the “major leagues” in comparison to these weak amateur level orgs and fighters. Lawler is probably the most talented of the bunch last night but is he even top 10 at 185?? I remember he used to fight in the UFC but “used to” is the key. Can you imagine him facing Ace or Hendo much less Silva? I’d say MacDonald and the irish hand grenade would crush him too. He could barely beat a TUFer last night.
Nevermind Kimbo, he was obviously exposed last night…..I never really had a doubt about him anyways. Way to inexperienced and too old to catch up. That dude isn’t even top 20, even with Bas (maybe he’s overrated too, as far as a trainer goes).
All I can say is WEAK!!! What a bad night for MMA to make it’s first appearance.
by amac on Jun 1, 2008 10:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a horrible night of fighting…..after watching UFC and Pride over the years you really learn to appreciate the “major leagues” in comparison to these weak amateur level orgs and fighters. Lawler is probably the most talented of the bunch last night but is he even top 10 at 185?? I remember he used to fight in the UFC but “used to” is the key. Can you imagine him facing Ace or Hendo much less Silva? I’d say MacDonald and the irish hand grenade would crush him too. He could barely beat a TUFer last night.
Nevermind Kimbo, he was obviously exposed last night…..I never really had a doubt about him anyways. Way to inexperienced and too old to catch up. That dude isn’t even top 20, even with Bas (maybe he’s overrated too, as far as a trainer goes).
All I can say is WEAK!!! What a bad night for MMA to make it’s first appearance on network TV.
by amac on Jun 1, 2008 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
As a long time mma fan i did not expect much but this whole show was more unprofesional than I even thought it would be. The best part may have been when that ass bag Thompson pushed Miragliotta in the face.
by treeman on Jun 1, 2008 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How about James Thompsons Ear? It seems to me that ear was pretty bad, dont you think?. Perhaps if it were drained before the fight the outcome would be different.
As the importance of the fight for the sport concerns, I on the opinion that now is to early to assess the implications of last night fight because of the many aspects that are involve. First of all, the audience was enormous not only in the USA but all over the glove. You know that is very important to catch the attention of the investors and for the growth of this young sport. However, we, the truly fans and probably the ones that consider ourselves martial artists, had a bad "Saturday Night Fight", full of incomprehensible stoppages and other bizarre events (like poor incompetent Phil Baroni with his high entrance and low performance).
Anyway I think that the sport is completely safe with fights like this night with Faber and Pulver or with the excitement of knowing that The Axe Murdered is back for good… See you at the gym.
by Spanish Dude on Jun 1, 2008 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What an absolute f*****g mess that show was last night.Dana must be laughing his ass off and rightly so.
by Jack on Jun 1, 2008 11:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else laugh their asses off when a wobbly-as-hell JT got the double leg takedown with ease and then the dumbass commentator said that Kimbo gave JT a DDT? That was hilarious. Also hilarious was when they didn’t even realize that Carano was attempting a gogoplata. It was a messy one, but come on. They said Young was in Carano’s open guard. Hilariously terrible commentators all night.
by Joe Smith on Jun 1, 2008 11:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This just secured the UFC as the only legit MMA promotion.
by BikeCop on Jun 1, 2008 11:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
eh its the most mainstream MMA there is, I think Strikeforce is Legit, I think if they could get a primetime slot, much more people would see the true talent they have there. I mean Strikeforce is getting better and better every month.
WEC is starting to turn heads as well.
Also, Affliction, I mean seriously, Tim Sylvia, Andrei Arvloski, Fedor, Ben Rothwell, Babalu, Jeff Monson, Josh Barnett, Mini Fedor, Paul Buentello.
Hopefully Tito Ortiz… Affliction is a legit MMA thing.. right now
by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 1, 2008 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Referees making bad calls.
Kimbo tapped, and we all saw that when you put someone who really cant walk the walk into the cage you get taught a lesson. Kimbo can be beat. The ladies fight was a very interesting to say the least. Stupid female dancers and an odd performance by Busta? If they wouldn’t wasted time with crappy performances all in all the fights made up for it.
by Steve-0 on Jun 1, 2008 11:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’ll be shocked if CBS puts another card on. Anyone who defends this fiasco and still buys into the Kimbo hype machine is being disingenuous. How can EliteXC be taken seriously after last night?
by Muscle Dolphin on Jun 1, 2008 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kimbo tapped, ref got paid, Shaw continues to fix fights, and EliteXC ruined 8 years of hard work by Zuffa.
by Raiderbeast on Jun 1, 2008 12:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Horrible…I cannot believe this was shown to the public…This was like showing two minor league baseball teams in a third world country and saying this is true talent…This is going to be a set back for MMA in my opinion now you are going to have columinst all throughout the US ragging on MMA cause of this crap that was brought before all of our eyes…The Shaws just need to stop cause that was horrible…Now I want to hear from Bas he said that Kimbo has improved one of the better guys around…I want to see him defend that crap that was there…I will bet my life on that Sean Gannon will be running to Gary Shaw’s house to get signed…Cause that was horrible…It is a sad day when two chicks out-shine the two main events…Word of advice for Nick Diaz, Big Foot Silva, Ricco Rodriguez, KJ Noons, and the rest of the decent talent…RUN…RUN…Get the hell out of there and go to the IFL…And I thought I would never say that!…Elite XC should just fold…KOTC would have put on a better performance than that…Brett Rodgers was right that was crap…He is a C level fighters trying to improve his game just go to the IFL…Oh lord that was horrible…DO you people realize that non-MMA fans throughout America thinks that MMA is like that!…UNREAL…Thanks Gary…
by Bill on Jun 1, 2008 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow I’m really humbled in my MMA analysis after what i saw today.
Round 1 : 50/50
Round 2 : Thompson
Actually I think in another organization or another matchup, Thompson would have won by TKO in the 2 round. Anybody who saw the last GSP fight knows what i mean. Kimbo simply took too many unanswered elbows. That’s dangerous for a fighter’s health.
Round 3: Even. The match seems to have the same pattern.
Kimbo is strong for the first 1/2 on the feet. The Thompson takes over on the ground. Although Kimbo’s ground work really is much better than i expected.
But he still have ZERO BJJ still. BJJ is not about using power but skill.
Now To the TKO : well there was NONE. I love Kimbo. Everyone who has followed my comments knows that i was always extremely PRO-Kimbo. But making Thompson JOB like in WWE is the wrong direction for MMA.
Does anybody remember Bret Hart vs Shawn Michaels where Vince MacMahon to the ref to ring the bell as soon as Bret was in the Sharpshooter.
Well Gary told the Ref. the Bell as soon as Kimbo hit Thompson – even though he could still have managed a take down. Even Thompson was disgusted and the ref just had to explain : Gary Shaw told me to! Why was there no replay of the TKO ?
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5mj0h_kimbo-slice-vs-james-thompson-round_sport
LISTEN TO THE CROWD BOOOING !!!!!
AND the crowd was PRO Kimbo before
THis is disgusting – this is NOT the MMA i love!
by Frank Shamrock Fan on Jun 1, 2008 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree that the whole event was an embarrassment to true MMA fans. The WWE entrance theatrics almost made me puke.
How do you expect true sport fans to take it seriously after that?
I did catch Shaw whispering “lines” into the fighters ear after one fight. Disgusting. All credibility for the whole night vanished. As if it needed any more help…
That Shaw dude is a complete scumbag in the true sense of the word. At least Dana is advancing the sport with some level of professionalism, albeit a small one.
The Lawler fight stoppage…unacceptable. This was on pace to be the fight of the night. Give the guy his 5 minutes to recover and then get back to business.
The chick fight was actually pretty good, how sad that the “star” comes in overwieght. I was fine with the Dr. stoppage on that one. That chicks face was demoed and her one eye almost completely shut. I dont think the network is gonna allow a Rocky style “cut me Mickey” so she could see enough to continue….
The Kimbo fight….
I did not see him tap out. Anyone who says he did is a fkn idiot. Kimbo gave a thumbs up to the ref when he was in a choke hold. Nothing else even looked remotely close to a tap out. So give that a rest. Could the fight have been stopped at the end of the second round because Kimbo was not intelligently defending himself. I would say yes, but if thats all the ground and pound that Thompson could muster on a guy with his arms pinned, then stopping it there would have been a bigger injustice than when it was actually stopped in the 3rd.
The officiating was horrible. Telling them to improve their position when you have a guy in half guard. Shaking my head. As far as the 3rd round stop, stupid. Let Kimbo get his highlight reel KO. Thats why everyone tuned in. Kimbo is all power and heart, with low to no MMA talent. You can tell he has been training and learning some stuff, but still an infant in MMA skills.
He doesnt have enough time left to become a real MMA fighter. He will continue to be propped up in front of a handful of patsies until he loses and then his 15 minutes will be up.
Dont be too shocked when Kimbo gets to 5 and 0 after punching out a couple more bums, Dana and the UFC step in to give him one big payday to go away after feeding him to a real fighter.
by Boomer27 on Jun 1, 2008 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that show was something else…its funny how it only takes 1 horrible show of MMA for people to realize what Dana White has actually accomplished.
by dakilla on Jun 1, 2008 12:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Indeed. The Dana haters have never been so quiet.
by BigRedOne on Jun 1, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know its pretty sad. I for one still don’t like Dana, I think some day he is going to be a huge collapse for the UFC. But when Dana White is calling all of this stuff about Gary Shaw, Kimbo Slice ect… boy Dana has never looked more smart than now.
by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 1, 2008 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tito? Are you sure you want to leave the UFC? Are you REALLY, REALLY sure?
by BigRedOne on Jun 1, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tito goes where the money is. I really hope Tito goes to Affliction.
by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 1, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When baroni and bett rogers came out it was like a circus.
by alex on Jun 1, 2008 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yes, indeed. How come Kimbo was the only one to get Fire? FAVORTISM? No…
by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 1, 2008 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats because Baloni is a clown.Did you see his ric flair like robe?
by Jack on Jun 1, 2008 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he always has that stupid thing and he always dances to that stupid shit. He is a moron and he is a one dimesional fighter that cant get it done anymore.
by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 1, 2008 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My 9 year old daughter stuck her head into the room when Baroni was coming out and said," Daddy, that guy’s dress doesn’t match his shoes." I laughed my ass off.
by chefdaddy on Jun 1, 2008 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh well, this was a terrible night for Hardcore MMA fans. But all off the Elite XC train, get on the WEC train tonight for Pulver/Faber (which will only go 2 rounds…. tops) then, if you’re looking for that 2nd MMA brand to hop train onto, get with IFL or AFFLICTION.
My choice… Affliction.
by "Mr. NC-17" on Jun 1, 2008 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
im kind of a Dana hater but that has nothing to do with the fights in the UFC cause they are awesome… and they have the best fighters for sure, most of them should get better paydays…. And PLEASE who are they trying to fool? “Maybe in the end this event proved that MMA belongs on pay per view and premium cable and NOT network television” YES for sure that is 100% correct..
by RoB on Jun 1, 2008 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After watching Elite XC last night….I’m so thankful that we have the UFC and WEC…even glad we have strikeforce.
Few observations I made after watching:
1) Bret Rojers is very impressive…and won’t be long before he becomes champion
2) Women in MMA can have great fights.
3) Kimbo Slice has knock out power with below average ground game…and lacks conditioning
4) UFC fighter are way superior than Elite XC’s.
5) I really feel that kimbo fight was stopped prematurely…Firstly, In the 2nd round Kimbo ate about 8 unanswered elbows and the ref didn’t stop it…Kimbo was caught in a guillotine and looked liked he was tapping…and in the 3rd round, neither fighter was knocked out and the ref stopped it..who’s to say thompson may have gone for the takedown in the last round..Thompson was the true winner of that fight.
by NATHAN JONES on Jun 1, 2008 1:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This just struck me.
This is the reason Dana white and the UFC did not end up going with CBS! I will admit that Dana did some things that made me wonder, but this move apparently was a slight of genius.
The networks are not ready for REAL MMA, they want a watered down version. And Dana knew he would lose the hard fought integrity of the UFC if he went that way.
I have much respect for Dana white and the brothers for making a smart move for the sport and the UFC.
by Assaf on Jun 1, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One thing I see constantly is the comparisons for Kimbo vs “Insert Fighter Name Here”…
Anyone with half a brain that understands the fight game knows he is not world class in any fight form. He is just today’s flavor of the month to bank on and that he will be chewed up and spit out like Tyson as soon as he is tested by anyone with a minute since of skill and a heart to follow..
I don’t agree with bagging on Gina though. I’m far from a fan of women’s MMA. I actually find it completely unappealing. Although I do find her to be interesting and who are we to judge her for wanting to do what she does ? I’m not a fan of women’s MMA, but I am a fan of Gina Carano in the since that she is very classy even in victory, she remains humble & she is pushing herself to succeed against the odds.. Cant fault a person (female or otherwise) for following their dreams… Everyone should take their personal bias out of the equation and focus the objective ..
Also people need to consider Kimbo is 34 years old.. He is getting a late start in his professional career and without the pedigree or background needed, nor the time needed to successfully and properly utilize those skills, we should not expect to much from him other than what we are getting.. Randy Couture is an exception because he had a wrestling base and years of competition to work off of. Kimbo has nothing more than experience against guys with no skill or conditioning. The average guy on the street cant maintain a full fledge fight for longer than 90 seconds without gassing. Unless you’re training endurance and cardio like Runners, Swimmers, Wrestlers, Soccer players & Basketball players you really suffer greatly in comparison. Sure he has a gifted right hand. But so did Tank Abbot among others. Tank had pure brute power. That is essentially an important component in a fight, however the counter to that is endurance and stamina.. A gas tank goes a long way in any physical activity..
To be pissed off that Kimbo is pushed to the spotlight isn’t without warrant. But as a true fan and someone that understands fighting in general, try not to let it get to you too much. He hasn’t been exposed.. He was never considered anything more than a puncher with suspect ground and cardio. I never expected more than what I got last night. The ones that are crying foul are the ones that maybe read to much into the Kimbo media blitz ???
Were those fights rigged or a work ?? Who’s to say.. I’ll say it doesn’t look content that’s for sure, however, I’ll also say that I never expected anything more than what I got last night, so I wasn’t to let down. I don’t let my personal feelings get in the way of my fan ship. I don’t let what Dana or Gary say dictate my interest into a certain fighter. I watch them fight for the sake of sport and make my own judgments. I look at the individual and base it on that and solely that alone..
I know that the caliber of competition I saw last night was not the pinnacle of what the sport had to offer. I’m smart enough to know that it was what it was.. But again I have been a life long fan. I, on the other hand don’t feel so optimistic as to what the newer viewers tuning in for their first glimpse of MMA are going to draw from this… We can only hope that they at least get a little more interested and start researching to find better outlets to quench their thirst so to speak…
by The Truth on Jun 1, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Was it really neccessary to mention that Kimbo was a street fighter (like being a street fighter is a good thing…) 5 or 6 times during Kimbos introduction? That totally typifies EliteXC for me.
by Adam on Jun 1, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m very impressed with Kimbo’s performance. He battled a lot of adversity, took punishment and didn’t give up. After being dominated for 2 minutes, he still had the ability to put his opponent away. That should be lauded, not bashed. You’re all showing a lack of appreciation and respect for a guy that has been doing very well, considering his lack of experience.
If in his pride days anyone would have been asked if thomson could have been beaten by a you tube street fighter, they would have answered hell no. The dude is huge, scary and possesses some technique. But Kimbo did beat him after just one year of real training. He’s going to get better and I hope he knocks Roger’s head off on later this year.
by AA on Jun 1, 2008 2:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What are you smoking? You need to cut down on the hallucinogens…The guy has no game.
by TD on Jun 1, 2008 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT ,did you see the fight ,he was dominated for 2 rounds ,and he didn’t put away the groceries much less james that was A FIX,you need to go back to your boxing cause you odviously and i mean odviously don’t have clue or very very biased james was a setup fight to start with he doesn’t have a chin ,and kimbo couldn’t even beat him butterbean kicked thompson ass do you think butterbean is a great fighter no only in toughman that statement had to be the most ridiculous statement i have read on this site really put the pipe down
by scott on Jun 1, 2008 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After watching last night I know one thing EliteXC’s time in the spotlight is limited. When their superstar is exposed like that really what are they going to be able to do. The Best competition is in the UFC and at least fighters coming in are tested early and often. I know it would never happen but if a cross promotion between the UFC and EliteXC ever happen Elite would have their asses kicked in pretty much every match.
by Tim on Jun 1, 2008 3:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a crock. That is why I stopped watching boxing, all the fake stoppages and fixed fights. I will never watch Elite XC again.
Long live the UFC.
by Bob McDaniel on Jun 1, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
couldnt have said it betrer my self.
nomore network tv if this is how our sport is going to look like.
terrible stoppage on scott smith.
by Radamez on Jun 1, 2008 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This was a horrible show. This should of been UFC not XC. That made the best sport in the world look like a joke. I will never watch an XC show again.
by WENDELL on Jun 1, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
bad show made me love the ufc alot more, never seen such early stoppages, looked like it was rigged, kimbo fight made shaw look like he wanted kimbo to win before he lost
i don’t know if i will watch another one, but i d think more than ever all of us on this website should buy the ufc pay per view this weekend to help them stomp on elite xc.
by bryant on Jun 1, 2008 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
DO you guys think Shaw may be trying to Sabotage MMA. So boxing can regain a foot hold??? Dont you think more bible thumpers would complain if there was more blood and made it look pathetic enough to drive away potential customers…
by Yikes on Jun 1, 2008 8:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah now it goes on.
Shaw probably is trying to sabotage MMA by driving away new customers.
by Yikes on Jun 1, 2008 8:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Elite should bring in Aleksander Emelianenko to fight Kimbo. He is more “street” than Kimbo will ever be.(anyone see the movie Eastern Promises?)HAHAHA. Nah, just kidding. Aleks would fucking destroy him
by Blurntox on Jun 2, 2008 7:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone bad mouthing Kimbo? Yes he is a beginer,yes he has a cocky attitude but so do alot of mma fighters Phil Baroni, Frank Shamrock, Tito Otiz, Frank Mir, Nate Diaz,Chris leben,Matt Serra.Why not just let the man do what he does and see what happens once he loses.Kimbo came from the streets so of course he is gona have alot of rough edges,who wouldnt.Give the man some time to refine his style,stop and think about how had it is to go from the streets with no real structured training to being in the pros.How many people out there can honstly keep it real and say they can do it?
by Mussalini on Sep 29, 2008 9:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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