Tito Ortiz UFC 84 triangle on Lyoto Machida oh so close ...

Great picture. I wish they had a split screen shot with Dana’s expression when Tito locked in that triangle.

I rewatched this earlier today. I think Tito said his mistake was transitioning into the armbar from the triangle, and it was tight before that. Machida’s never been in trouble like that. I was pleased with Tito’s performance in this fight. He went after Machida the whole time.

it s a good thing tito runs every day if not i dont think he would be able to catch up with machida the way he was running i dont see how machida could get satisfaction out of running the hole time

It was close it had me out of my seat but i was surprized at how well lyoto defended it he got right out of it

the fight actually pissed me off! i’ve got nothing against lyoto, but he was running the entire time. tito was chasing his ass around the damn cage. did u guys see the ref’s little “slip”. he didn’t trip, his ass fell asleep how boring the fight was going!! lol! the most exciting part was when tito caught lyoto in that triangle. damn i wish he got the tapout…

put lyoto in against jardine, after that own-age he got from wandy, jardine needs a good fight. and some of y’all were counting wandy out. ye of little faith!

look at the bruise on Tito’s legs from those kicks. I love what someone said before about this fight. “It was great i could watch Machida throw a leg kick, go make a snack and be back in time for the next kick.”

I hope to god Machida never wins the belt. It would be the quivalent of watching Tim Sylvia’s championship run. Boring 5 rounders. I respect Machida’s style but it is really boring to watch. Now i will wait for the people who seem to think that 1 takedown and 1 knee makes for an exciting fight.

Oh man was it close. Too bad for Tito and give Machida credit for not giving up.

Hats off to Tito for his 11 years in the UFC, he had many of us entertained and at the edge of our seats on many occasions. I think you can also say this even if you are a Tito hater, give the guy some credit.

Tito got schooled. That triangle was his one glimmer of hope, the only chance he had to win the fight. What does he do? He gives up on the triangle and goes for an arm bar! lol

Yeah, I was surprised that Machida got out. Mad props for that. He’s so singular.

I actually loved the fight, but if you’re a Tito fan it probably sucked. Machida’s skill was great. I’ve never seen a fighter actually not even hardly having to block a punch.

I wonder if BJ is going to want another crack at him?

I tip my hat to Tito. He did his best to make an exciting fight while Machida ran the whole time. Being elusive is one thing, Machida was being a pussy. We want exciting fights not boring games of tag. I dont want to be in the “Machida” buisiness. Bring back palm fighting Pankration so Machida can go be a lackluster star.

I don’t say Machida is the most exciting guy in the UFC, but I enjoy his style and I feel excited watching that kind of fighter, ‘cause he just nullifies all the offense, he barely gets hit, he doesn’t block and he doesn’t need to, and he does that without looking like his running away, the ppl who think that are not watching the fight in the right way.

Tito barely did any offense, where were the takedowns??? Uhh? one or two, that was the only thing he could do???
Machida picked him apart with his style, if Tito would have push more, I’m surely that Machida would have put a more exciting fight, like the Soko fight. The Triangle was nice and very close, but the talent and skills of Machida can’t be overlooked, he got out from a very tight submissions, plus he was gassed, and that he has to change. Adding questionable tank to a elusive (boring to some) style will not make him last there in the ufc, unfortunately.

The only thing more disappointing than Tito’s arm bar miss is this sites ability to have 2 Tito articles at the time constantly.

Can you guys help out other up and coming fighters with some attention?

Am I the only one here that thinks Tito is overplayed on this site? We need a vote. The public must be heard.

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LOL @ everyone who says Machida “ran”, you’re obviously all newbs.

I’ve been following Lyoto a bit in the last few years and have really enjoyed his style of fighting, with that said that was one of the most cautious fights I’ve ever seen from him. I attribute most of that to Tito’s total inability to do anything at all, it was just so easy for Lyoto to sidestep, sprawl and avoid all takedowns and any standup. Speaking of standup, Tito has no such thing, its pretty weak. So, when someone with Lyoto’s abilities of anticipation, agility and quickness comes along and he can’t take him down Tito might as well be a punching bag in there, hes just about as effective on his feet. The reason why I mentioned a punching bag, is because thats essentially what Tito was for Lyoto, however Lyoto didn’t seem that interested in getting close to him to tag him with his vast array of strikes. I was a bit disappointed to be honest, only in the last few minutes did the fight come alive and was certainly hoping that Lyoto would come out of his shell a bit more because he really could’ve beaten Tito down in my opinion.

^ I agree with you.

Lyoto made Tito look like a rookie.
Tito wasted energy focusing on the build up and drama.
If he would have focused that energy on training
and studying how to win then he may not
have looked so stupid in his last UFC fight.
Lyoto put on a great performance and
the only valid complaint is on Tito’s performance.

Lyoto “The Starnes” Machida

The way you are defending Lyoto you seem to be the nuthugger. That was not a good fight by any means.

Machida pulled a Kalib Starnes…. he ran and ran and ran…Joe rogan was saying…its a good technique and shit like that during the fight but if it was any other fight…the fighter who won would be deemed as a shit fighter!

I seen Tito on numerous occassions throw his hands up and tell Lyoto to fight. Yes he caught Tito with a knee but was not ble to finish the fight(Big Surprise).

whether machida ran at him or from him, tito had to break him one way or the other or he was going to lose the fight. even in retreating mode, machida still threw and landed significantly more shots than tito stalking. you can’t blame a guy fighting at that level wanting to force his opponents to fight his fight. as someone mentioned earlier, i’d much rather watch what machida did, than some dumb lay-and-pray half ass’d ground and pound.

bottom line is, to be the best you have to be able to beat your opponent in which ever form they come. there’s no arguing with that.

I saw this fight going exactly as it happened. I don’t think Machida was running, he was avoiding being hit. He won most of the exchanges and confused Tito. Why didn’t Tito take him down, oh yeah…He couldn’t. Also, if there was another 10 seconds left in the first round it wouldn’t have went to a decision. The crucifix would have ended it.

i agree 100% with dana whte when he said i want 250 fighters like wandy.. not fighters like machida. his style is boring as f**k but hey it works but he wont last against someone like wandy whos gonna chase him down and beat the shit out of him.

newguy u talk alot about overhyped fighters. im interested to know the fighters u think are overhyped and the ones you like

btw i used to post as tuffguy01 but tito lost and i lost a bet and had to change my name!!!

the reason why lyoto keeps backin off because he knows Tito is a very skilled grappler with strong takedowns. so he keeps the distance to force Tito to stand up and fight and that’s Tito weakness which lyoto taken advantage for.

I wouldn’t go as far as whoever didn’t enjoy the fight or Machida’s style stupid, but it does amaze me how narrow sighted people can get when trying to be non-conformists and hate on the guy that’s being hyped up, and for good reason too.

The one thing that kept kreeping in my mind while watching the fight the first time, was “why on earth isn’t Tito even trying to do something?”. He did absolutely NOTHING excluding 2-3 horrible takedown attempts and a few kicks and punches which showed once again how one dimentional he is.
Machida controlls him ALL FIGHT LONG, dictates the pace, tags him with kicks again and again, shows an outstanding sprawl, takes tito down with great skill and is denied the W by the clock, then continues to be on the verge of pounding out tito after a killer knee, and yet, people still complain about him “running all fight long”. You guys are absolutely ridiculous, no better way to put it. Alright, so you don’t enjoy his style, but to compare him to Stranes shows you know nothing about technique and skill, and looking simply for bar-room brawls. You want that, go watch Kimbo and give me a break.

Fight was awesome, with two great moments where I grabbed my head, once with amazement at the near ground and pound finish, the other with Tito’s submission attempt.

No hate for Tito as a person whatsoever, all the best to him in the future, but Machida made him look even worse than I thought he was after his last few fights.

For anyone who follows martial arts, it is obvious that Machida is your typical Karate fighter. He has a similar style of defence to Crocop, Chuck etc. Karate fighters prefer intelligent footwork as a form of defence , this is becuase on the streets if you are faced with multiple attackers you’re more likely to avoid a sucker punch (or worse) if you stick and move.

I totally respect Machida’s style and it’s a much needed alternative in this day and age where Thai boxing is the norm. It’s a breath of fresh air.

LOL at everyone hating on Machida. He made Tito look like an amateur last night. You can not like his style, but to say he was running is just stupid. Moving to the side when Tito shoots and making him get nothing but air is pure skill. Plus, its hard to run for “15 minutes” and still have taken Tito down, made him double over in pain from a knee to the ribs, and mess up his face the way Lyoto did.

Lyoto owned him. Lyoto owned Sokky, too. Get over it.

lyoto’s so callled “elusive” style makes LnP semm a little more exciting than i had previously thought.

I want to see Machida and Liddell fight. They are both counter strikers. Chuck would have to come after him more than he has any fighter.

Machida looked like Koschek. Counter, counter, win the fight. I am not a fan of Tito’s but I don’t think that should have been the way he goes out of the UFC

All the UFC fans that hate on Tito can now shut up and all the Tito nuthuggers can go watch him fight nobody’s in crappy Elite XC. It’s over.

Machida is a p*ssy. most know his backround is Karate where you fight for points. plain a simple,ppl wanna see a fight,not some faggotazz running around jab,run,kick run repeat bullsh*t. until he stands in front of someone and exchanges in the pocket i will NEVER respect or hope for him to do well.its one thing to be a smart fighter and another to peck and run.
p.s. Machida is not elusive he’s running ppl. there’s a difference

Good fight. Classic ending, say what u want about Rogan, hate him or love him, the guy gets soooo excited when unexpected things happen in a fight! Good job Joe!

There is another fight league that has the rules dialed in. If an a fighter backs off and does not charge, they start taking pints away. I am contemplating not paying next time. $50 to watch a guy dance and run like a little girl – he was scared of Tito’s power.
The rules need to change.
We PAY to watch a fight and it’s $50 each fight and there are quite a few fights per year. NO MORE DANCING!!!!

How did ya’ll like that knee machida threw and dropped TIto with? I swore he nailed him on the chin or something, then the replay showed it was all stomach!! Crazy, that and the almost triangle tito pulled made this fight a nice one.

Machida is frusterating IMO, to teh fighters adn fans, its cool to see such strategy adn technique sometimes, but he is a great fighter, and deserves better competition now. I think there is nobody more deserving of a title shot them him.

If the fight would have went 5 rounds (Tito would have won) Another bit of ground fighting in the 4th and he would have been done.

Machida vs chuck would be fun, two guys that love seeing guys come at em while they are in reverse.

I wouldnt mind seeing Machida drop a few lbs and fight anderson silva… that could prove interesting.

Houston and Keith Jardine would get schooled by Machida.

Here’s an interesting point, if you ask someone what was the most important/exciting part of the fight tito vs lyota they would say the triangle at the end… That says tons about the average MMA fan. They do like submissions as much as the big strikes but when the strikes are because you dont wanna engage it kinda waters it down.

I actually like both fighters more after watching the fight. I like unusual fighters with different methods of winning fights. Tito GNP, Rampage (Big Slam), Karo (Fancy throws), Cro-cop Highkick, Machida reverse gear and almost looking like he is fighting scared, Jardine (all over the place), BJ flexibility Factor, KFLO (Cuts), Wandy and Houston (KNEES).

Here are some nice fights I would love to see…
Roan Cairona vs the guy who just beat warmachine.
Chuck vs Lyota.
Wandy vs Houston
Karo vs Fitch
Anderson silva vs GSP
BJ vs Nate Diaz (just cause I wanna see Diaz get sub’d)
Soku vs VERA (They could catch weight)
Kongo vs Brock
Hendo vs Franklin
Hughs vs Serra
Alves vs Kos

If Machida is the future of MMA, then count me out. That hit, non-engage and RUN style is not for me! It may be great for fighter longevity and winning belts, but it REALLY sucks for the viewers. I couldn’t imagine what a fight with two Machida style fighters would look like, hit non-engage and run, hit non-engage and run with a total punch count of 10.
No thanks! Give me two Titos standing in front of each other and beat each others faces in.
War Rampage kicking Machida in the leg so much he can’t be elusive.

machida vs winner of rampage/griffin @ ufc ~89
ufc ~88 thiago silva vs rashad evans for next #1 contender

Wandy and liddell need a couple of more wins till they deserve a title shot

I love to see some technical fighter in MMA like Machida or Anderson Silva not just Take them down beat them up guys like Tito or Sherk.

Stoppage from armbar? Tito got saved by the bell after Lyoto took his ass down, secured a crucifix like position and started raining down blows. . .

Did everyone forget about that?

What happened to the superior wrestler that Tito supposedly is? He got taken down by a Karateka!

Lyoto for the smart win all the way!

Amazing picture! Amazing submission. Almost.

Apart from being a good fighter in his day, Tito is an army loving prick that needs to piss off to WWF or whatever he dreams about being… lyoto is a different kind of fighter, a fighter who is cool and interesting to watch, hard guy to beat..and Tito wasnt really close to beating him apart from that triangle at the end of the fight. All that running shit is stupid, hes a smart fighter, good kicks, tito’s leg must have been aids..