'The Axe Murderer' is back ... and he isnt going anywhere (yet)
by MMAmania.com on May 26, 2008 2:13 PM EDT
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"I think it has to be one of those things where Silva comes to me and says 'these guys are huge, I need to go down to 185. There is one interesting fight for him at 185-pounds and there is (many) interesting fights at 205 for Silva."
UFC President Dana White responds to questions about whether or not Wanderlei Silva would compete at 185 pounds going forward. "The Axe Murderer" snapped a three-fight losing skid this weekend at UFC 84: "Ill Will," drilling Keith Jardine en route to a 36-second first round technical knockout. He holds two wins over reigning UFC Light Heavyweight Champion, Quinton "Rampage" Jackson, which would make a third fight extremely marketable. Silva, however, more than likely needs one or two solid wins to earn a title shot ... unless Forrest Griffin can upend the champ on July 5. So who's next for Wanderlei?
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He would be a monster at 185 but I would prefer the Rampage vs Silva III fight
by Automation on May 26, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i would also like to see that fight but i think that Wanderlei needs to get a least 2 more wins before he gets a shot at the champ Rampage. but if Forrest beats Rampage then they could fight much sooner.
by the Levi on May 26, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Rampage loses to Forrest, which I think he will, there will be an immediate rematch between Wandy and ‘Page. I’d rather see Wand fight him for the belt though.
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol"if Rampage loses"..
Rampage (imo) will win his fight easier then BJ beat Sherk…
Forrest has a very slim chance in defeating Jackson…Dont get me wrong. I love Forrest, but Rampage is on another level compaired to Griffin..
As for Wand??
I think he should stay at 205, and fight Rashad Evans(which is already rumored)..Then if(when) Wand beat’s the undefeated Rashad, He could possibly fight Forrest after Griffin loses to Rampage….
If(when) Wandy gets two credible win’s, we should be watching Rampage defend agianst Wandy around New Years(or early next year)..
Another possibility is Wandy fights Chuck(if both win their next fights) and have Liddell .vs. Wandy-2 in a #1 contender-match, and have the winner fight Rampage..
by Stagger-Lee on May 26, 2008 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All it takes is for Rampage to get hit once. The guy folds every time someone rocks him, we just havent seen it happen to him in the octagon. Just go back through his fight history, and you’ll see that he lacks heart. If I were to bet on this fight, I’d put my money on Forrest.
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with everything but the timing. This thing could take a year to play out.
by Dugout on May 26, 2008 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jackson is a different fighter from the days of Pride.. 3yrs with Juanito Ibarra and maturity of Jackson has made him a much better fighter. Sometimes lack of proper training looks like lack of heart… in a way… it is, but lack of guts isn’t Jackson’s issue.
by THORAZINE on May 27, 2008 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
utaptout: I dont need to go back and watch Rampage’s history of fights, for I have followed Jackson through out most of his career.
I know all it takes is “one hit” to end a fight..Just not this one(unless it’s Page hitting Forrest)..
Go back and count how many time’s Forrest punched Bonner..Probably 500. no KO..
What about going decision with Hector Ramerez??wtf.
Rampage probably hit’s the hardest in the LHW division..I love Forrest Griffin, but Rampage WILL hurt him..trust me!.wait and watch.
Rampage will have an easier time beating Forrest then BJ did against Sherk, and we all saw what happened there..I know there is always the chance for an up-set(thats how this sport is)..unpredictable. But with that aside. On paper? Rampage will not lose this fight..
by Stagger-Lee on May 27, 2008 7:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I third the decree and it is settled! Adjorned
by Bic on May 28, 2008 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it should be chuck liddell but if not chuck then page/forrest winner. i wouldn’t mind seeing chuck/shogun. but liddell/wand 2 is extremely marketable right now especially when their first fight was one of the best of all time and WAND just executed jardine, and liddell got back on track with his close decision against WAND. I’m just afraid if they dont fight next one of them would lose and the fight would still be big like the last one, but not the fight of all fights like if they fought next it would be the biggest fight in UFC history since both are coming off good performances and wins
by chris on May 26, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They are not gonna have Chuck fight Wandy back to back. Chuck will probably get to fight Jardine next, and avenge his loss. Then Chuck will either fight the winner of Rampage/Forrest(Which will be Rampage)or Shogun. I would like to see Silva fight Machida next.
by naturalshadow on May 26, 2008 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hell yeah he’s back. I saw it in his eyes before the fight started.
by the Levi on May 26, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My take on the past UFC. ..I thought the card turned out better then expected!..
Melendes/Silva.
Good fight, while it lasted. I had money on Silva, and he came through..Melendes almost landed that high kick at the begining and had me worried..Silva composed himself well and showed his determination to win..Silva looked like a mad man when he snapped and took the fight directly to Melendes..I love it..
Ortiz/Machida.
This fight was boring at times, but I still enjoyed watching it, as the fight still had some entertaining moments..At the end of the first, Machida showed how fast he is, and also while being a very "technical" fighter he WILL try to end a fight if the opportunity arise’s.. Lets face it Tito is a hard fighter to finish in 3 rounds, and Machida had him on the edge twice..Tito did impress me aswell, with his triangle to arm-bar attempt..
As much as I dislike Tito..’If I only watched UFC? I would probably be saying I want Tito to get re-signed, BUT I watch all MMa promotions, and am actually looking forward to see where Jacob lands,and his next fight. because he will DEFINETLY not be fighting for the UFC..
Gouveia/Reljic.
Damn. I am so pissed that Wil lost..Goron looked decent in his UFC debut, but I still didn’t see to much(aside from his kicks) that impressed me..
Wil had him dazed, and couldn’t finish him off. So that tells me Reljic is tough aswell as having "quick recovery". I mean Goveia had him, and Reljic came back Leban style, all pissed off, and caught Wil in the temple then banged him out…For people that were saying Wil can’t take a punch?..He got banged on like 10 times, while he was dazed, and still didn’t go limp..I dont think Gouveia will get cut from the UFC just yet. And as for Reljic?.. I see alot of hole’s in his game, and(imo) it’s just a matter of time before a top fighter expose’s them…
Jardine/Silva.
Do I even have to say anything??..The AXE-MURDERER is back!!
BJ/Sherk..
haha. I am so glad that fight is over. Now BJ can get to fighting Top competitiion…
Like I said before BJ .vs. Sherk = easy win for BJ…
And it was just that..Sherk had no chance..Sherk was scared to shoot, just like I thought…It was almost like BJ was playing with him…(imo) It look like BJ wanted the fight to go to later rounds to shut people up about his cardio…BJ could have finished Sherk whenever he wanted to…BJ only left himself with the stand-up option’s..imo in the 4th BJ would have taken it to Sean 100% and finished him…But BJ had him dazed and knew, if it was there? take it!…so he did…Sherk got KTFO!!
All around great card, and I am glad we got to see 9 fights on the ppv..I only bet on the 5 ppv bout’s and went 4right and 1Gouveia wrong!..won myself 600 bucks…Could have been 8, but I lost 200 on Wil..
sorry my post was mad long..probably a million spelling mistakes..but this is to long to spellcheck.lol..
by Stagger-Lee on May 26, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stager Lee: My bets were 12/15 correct for a nice $1,500 pay day…. Great weekend I must say.
I am on fire with the over/unders. I bet most of my fights through BetUS, but I found a bookie in my neightborhood that takes action on all UFC events. He gives the odss for all the fights as well as the overs/Unders…..I gave his pockets a beating too this weekend…lets see if he lets me bet next time around. lol
Didnt I tell everyone, that wanderlei’s furociousness and Brutality will be the difference… I called it: wandy Brutal KO in the 1st 90 seconds….
“John The MMA Prophet” strikes again.
All you clowns who spent the week fighting with me about how the big strong wrestler tito Ortiz was going to do this and that to machida….Did Tito even land a strike?>? I know Machida BLASTED him with that knee to the liver.
How can people say that Machida fight was boring? I thought it was a very entertaining fight. If you dont like that kind of technical fight, maybe you should be watching Tank Aboot fights!… At least you guys get to watch Kimbo next weekend….I prefer watching the sweet science that is a Machida fight!
by john on May 27, 2008 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
John: Congrat’s on you pay-day!..I read that in another post, and I must say, you know how to pick em’..Damn you cleaned up!
“John The MMA Prophet”..LMAO, good one..Profit you did..
Agreed on the Machida/Tito fight…I did think at times it was slow, but when it got going, there were time’s I was up out of my seat..I really hoped Machida was able to finish Jacob, but to Tito’s credit, he is not that easy to finish..
What do you think about a Machida/Thiago fight??
I say it HAS to happen..I really hope the UFC makes it happen..UFC 87 maybe? rumor is Wand/Evans is going to be added. If it does happen? along with Silva/Machida,(and the already booked fights) this card would be amazing..The UFC need’s something big, for the show after Affliction, so it is very posssible it could happen..I will keep my fingers crossed.
by Stagger-Lee on May 27, 2008 8:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d love to see him fight Anderson. Wanderlei is a tough son of a gun and I think it would be an awesome fight. I was actually hoping for this. I’d like to see Wanderlei take a fight or two at middleweight before fighting Anderson.
by Shadyone33 on May 26, 2008 2:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i would like see that fight at catch weight of 195 just to see if Anderson can handle bigger oppoenents. because if he wins then he could move up to 205.if Wanderlei wins then a rematch against eithehr theICEMAN or RAMPAGE becomes much more marketable.
by the Levi on May 26, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dana is right, as much as I hate to say that. At 185 he doesn’t have too many interesting match-ups, but they are there. Hendo would be a great rematch to see, and of course Anderson. But other than that it’s not as intersting as anyone at 205.
by Toms Bombs on May 26, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who wouldnt want to see Wandy vs. Franklin, Leben or Bisping?
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me. Dont want to waste Wandy’s years on average fights when he could have tons of super fights at 205.
by c-war on May 26, 2008 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i see your point on leben and bisping but franklin is still an elite fighter, just cant figure out anderson
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I would much rather see him fight in a stacked division with a lot of good fights, instead of a thin division with moderate fights.
by Toms Bombs on May 26, 2008 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
P.S…..GLAD to see Wandi back with the skin head…he didn’t look like the “AXE MURDERER” with longer hair…I knew he was gonna smash Jardine soon as I saw his head Tatt!!!!
WARRRRRR WANDIIIIIIIIII Hijo De Putas
by ToeLock on May 27, 2008 7:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those would be easy bets to win but horrible odds…
by RipTheSystem on May 27, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sokodjou vs silva I think it would be fun. what do you guys think
by Mark B. on May 26, 2008 2:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would rather see him fight Liddell again, and I’m sure Dana does too. That’s a big money fight, especially since Wandy has no doubt gained a boat load of fans over his last couple fights. And, if Wandy wins, it not only builds up the hype for a third match with Rampage, but an even bigger money-maker in liddell silva 3.
by Toms Bombs on May 26, 2008 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, but if Wandy loses to Chuck again, then he wont get a 3rd crack at Rampage. I just cant believe in the whole Rampage hype until he avenges his 3 losses to Chute Boxe. Sometimes I wish the UFC would be more like Pride used to be, and just pit fighters into matches that the fans want, without the title implications. It would be a good way to fill these long boring gaps when they have the title holders and contenders coach against eachother on TV. Why cant we just see Chuck vs Anderson just because it would be an amazing fight? Or GSP vs. Hendo?
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree for sure. I would much rather them match up fights according to what the fans would rather see.
by Toms Bombs on May 26, 2008 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they should have a light heavy weight night.. Machida v Jardine.. Griffin v Evans.. when Liddell comes back fight Shogun.. Thiago Silva v Goran Reljic… Wanderlai v Rampage and get Tito Ortiz to sit ringside and watch how real fighters go at it.. Wanderlai should have a crack at Rampage or if they could get Randy Couture to come back and fight, good old Randy is sensational to watch. After he beat Tim Sylvia Dana should have got him to drop his weight and fight Rampage so he could kick the shit out of him. No offence to Rampage, great fighter lots of respect.
by nathan on May 26, 2008 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pride would do that but then they have their champs fighting in non title match ups all the time and the belts would rarely get defended, how do you think Wanderlei had the title for like 5 years? he only had the title on the line like 5 times, but competed in many non title fights.
by BLOodyMEss on May 26, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jardine is done…two brutal KO’s will keep him off main cards for a long time, especially because he’s not very marketable
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“how do you think Wanderlei had the title for like 5 years?”
Because he knocked everyone out in his weightclass that was worth fighting. The difference is because he is such a warrior he fought at LH and even HW when he is ideally a MW fighter because he is willing to fight anyone.
How many people can you say that about in the UFC???
I agree regulated fights (i.e strict weight classes) are better but it was still awesome to see Wandy vs Crocop and Mark Hunt!! Plus he was not outclassed in those fights like most people would be.
I sure miss Pride they gave the fans what they want where the UFC tries and occasionally gets it right. 84 being the best card in ages.
Wandy is the fu*%in man and win or lose I will always look forward to his fights!!
by Ca$z on May 27, 2008 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t understand why ppl want him to drop, I said this before White, there is just better match ups at LHW. The guy lost three consecutive times, but of those three losses only one is in the UFC and it was his debut fight. One fight against a top HW in Mirko (yes, top HW), and one when he was sick to Hendo. There is no reason for him to drop, he’s getting confident inside the octagon and will pose threats to anyone inside the cage.
I would love to see wandy vs. chuck II, wandy is hungry and he’ll get his revenge on chucky. If not chucky than maybe machida, I think wandy has the best style to put an end to machida’s run (even though I ENJOY watching machida).
by linx on May 26, 2008 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
“put an end to machida’s run”
no pun intended?
by boz on May 26, 2008 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not at all, machida is a great fighter and engages in every fight he has, it’s not his fault many viewers are not educated in the game of MMA enough to appreciate his style. he does his job, and wins his fights, tito had nothing on him at all. he even missed a shoot by a long margin. machida was the better man that night and I don’t think avoiding a punch by going to the sides and countering with a kick is “running”, “running” is what kalib did by going backwards in his fight all the time.
by linx on May 26, 2008 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly, If Machida was running, then you could make the argument that BJ was running against Sherk, and that is simply not the case. Why sit there and get hit if you can win the fight decisively. I am going to go out on a limb and say that Lyoto is the future at 205, and he earned himself a match against a BIG name next fight with his dominant win over Ortiz, especially becasue you know Dana was absolutely LOVING that fight. I like Tito but he was just completely outclassed that night. P.S. I loved those double kicks he was throwing. Its nice to see a good karate stylist using the skills effectively in the Octagon.
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I couldn’t agree more dude, i just posted almost the exact same thing on another thread. im sick of people sayin Machida was “runnin”, he is one of THE smartest fighters out there. besides The Natural
by SayItAintSo on May 26, 2008 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All of you guy are just nut lovers, Machida did just enough to not be considered a (starnes) Machida is so boring that the ref fell asleep and fell down. Everybody was saying, Tito is past his prime, so then why couldnt Machida finish him? and almost got finished himself?
by JV on May 26, 2008 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
either that JV or you’re just a hater. Based on most of the posts I read from you, my guess would be the latter.
by linx on May 26, 2008 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Linx: I just dont jump on the hype wagons, thats not being a hater. Machida is boring admit it, everybody said Tito is past his prime then why didnt Machida finish? Machida is obviously very skilled but has no killer instinct.
by JV on May 26, 2008 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JV, I really dig his fights, and I really can’t comprehend how you can compare him to kalib. I’m not buying the hype in machida, he’s definitely beatable, but his game sure is beautiful to watch. As I said earlier the person to beat him has to be an aggressive striker that does not stop coming forth. That’s the only way someone will beat him. Keep the pressure to him and is not afraid of getting hit and has to have a thick skull, that’s wandy. Tito couldn’t land a single punch standing up, and he would throw one here, one there and keep his distance. That’s why the fight might have been seen as boring to some, but it’s not really machida’s fault, he’s a counter striker, someone needs to come forth for him to engage, and tito wasn’t it.
by linx on May 26, 2008 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JV, it would help if you trained a bit and could appreciate the intricacies of fighting. Machida fought a picture perfect fight against Tito, who normally is a beast with his takedowns. Just because you cant see that, doesnt make him a boring fighter. And as far as killer instinct, what about the Sokodjou fight?
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
soko was very tentative once he began being schooled by machida, he got scared in the middle of the first round.
by linx on May 26, 2008 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh man here comes the Soku thing. Again, Soku was 4-1, no experience. Linx I can understand what your saying to an extent. But I just think he’s more interested in keeping his perfect record than have an exciting fight. And me comparing him to Kalib is just me being an ass.
by JV on May 26, 2008 6:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It takes a big ass to admit his faults
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought Machida showed some killa instinct when he kneed Tito in the ribs, dropped’em, then right away was on him throwin punches…
by SayItAintSo on May 26, 2008 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida never “Runs” in the octagon.
He is not the sterotypical fight face to
face and be less calculating fighter
that everyone praises for winning and
then shits on for getting KO’d.
by RipTheSystem on May 27, 2008 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Also got beat by Ricardo Arona….not part of the back to back loses but still fairly recent….I WANT ARONA in the UFC!!!!!
by ToeLock on May 27, 2008 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he avenged his loss to ricardo though, but I want to see arona in the UFC too.
by linx on May 27, 2008 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s probably to soon to comment on this but if you guys want to start speculating about UFC 100, here’s what I think Dana White ought to put together. It should be a ten to fifteen fight event with five of those fights be a title fight (one in each weight class), they ought to try and book Madison Square Gardens, and it ought to be on one of the major networks. Even if the whole event just loses money for the UFC (which if it’s hyped up enough I don’t think it will) that kind of event would attract so many new fans to the sport that it would make up for it five times over in a couple months or so. They could call it something like “UFC 100, Arrival.”
by Emelianenko is God on May 26, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kill two birds with one stone and have BJ move up as the current LTWT champion and have him fight GSP at WLWT for GSP’s belt, that will be epic and on an epic card like 100. bj/GSP, Wandy/Rampage or Hendo/Wandy, Silva/shogun(if shogun dropped down to 185), and then forget having a LTWT title fight and a Heavyweight title fight and just have the three most explosive divisions fight title bouts with the LTWT champion still fighting in one (against GSP). . . 4 champions, 3 TRUE #1 contenders, 2 extra action packed bouts to fill out the main card, maybe a Florian or a Lesnar fight would do. It will be action packed for sure!!! Im sure Dana has his hopes for the fights on that night and is tring to do his darndest to make them happen. All you can do is hope his vision is the same as yours huh = )
by ( (Adam G) ) on May 26, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a bad idea but i don’t think they could pull off the “title fight in each weight class”, unless a majority of the PPVs afterwards have AMAZING main events or be FREE on TV. if they used up every champ for 1 event i doubt ppl would be buying the $45 PPVs afterwards. Just my thoughts
by SayItAintSo on May 26, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They would have to have no title fights for a while both before and after. You couldn’t have them before this event because someone might be hurt or something, and of course after the event for the same reason.
by Toms Bombs on May 26, 2008 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats why no heavyweight, so you can have the next PPV without a title bout, just a co main event of high stature and then the next PPV has the heavyweight title. THEN your back in business with whatever champion took the least beating or had the easiest fight in the 100 by 3 PPVs later.
by ( (Adam G) ) on May 26, 2008 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thats true, hey man im prayin to the MMA Gods to make it happen along wit ya lol
by SayItAintSo on May 26, 2008 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best idea for this would be to have GSP, BJ, Anderson, and Rampage all fight in the Octogan at the same time. Winner takes all.
Also, they’d probably want to have chains and a metal chair lying around. Every so often someone throws in a python, and fire explodes out of the floor etc. Now that would attract viewers.
Seriously though, I like you idea. Plenty of big entertaining matches to play before and after so you wouldn’t have to worry about not having a title for a little while. Atleast have middle weight, Welter, and LightHeavy titles fights in one night or something.
by dave on May 26, 2008 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Silva needs to fight Evans or Irvin next!
Chuck Lidell fights Lyoto Machida
Winner Chuck/Machida gets title shot.
Loser fights loser of Rampage/Forrest.
Shogun vs Soko
by Gameface on May 26, 2008 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if ppl are hating on lyoto now imagine after a fight with chuck, both fighters are counter strikers and we all know chuck isn’t going to loose any fans, but machida might loose the few he has (except for me).
machida needs someone aggressive, someone who doesn’t stop and always goes for the kill, that someone is wandy. best scenario for me is wandy vs liddell II, machida vs thiago silva (winner of machida vs thiago gets a title shot).
second scenario wandy vs machida, thiago vs evans, liddell vs shogun (winner of liddell vs shogun gets title shot).
by linx on May 26, 2008 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont know if Shogun gets a title shot after one win in the octagon, even if it is against chuck
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if shogun beats chucky in a decisive way and forrest looses to page in a devastating way (both scenarios I see highly possible), shogun should get back to the numero uno spot in the rankings.
by linx on May 26, 2008 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do see Forrest losing in a very devestating way, but I don’t see Shogun getting the number 1 spot back anytime soon, Especially if he fights Chuck. He just lost to Forrest, and since then has had 2 surgeries on the same knee. Now, after all of that, his comeback fight is against Chuck? No way he wins that fight.
by naturalshadow on May 26, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
naturalshadow, if he is healthy he’ll beat chuck.
by linx on May 27, 2008 7:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The same way that Wandy beat Chuck?
by naturalshadow on May 27, 2008 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shogun is way, WAY better than wandy for starters. And I assure you that in a potential wandy vs chuck II match wandy will come out victorious. It’s all about being comfortable in the cage, and he seems to be getting there.
by linx on May 27, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if lyoto fought the ICEMAN, he wouldn’t be able to run away from Chuck to a cheap decsion win. Chuck is a counter stiker but he isn’t scared to eat the occasional fist or kick to hit his oppoenent. Chuck would eventually stop chasing and make lyoto come to him and then KO this boring a$$ “elusive” so called fighter.
just because i don’t like his style doesn’t make me a noob or casual fan.i haven’t missed any big MMA event for years.
by the Levi on May 26, 2008 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Y ai dont want to see him drop down but the guys are bigger then him at LHW so i would understand why he would want to but there are much better fights at LHW.
by Canadian crippler on May 26, 2008 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would bet my car(1961 Impala) that Wandy would mess chuck up badly if they fought again. Any takers?
by SpiderStyle on May 26, 2008 2:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK ill take the car if Wandy loses but I’m not going to put anything up against it…lol ;)
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about the loser has to tape a humiliation of the other persons choice and post it on youtube? Kenny vs. Spenny style?
by SpiderStyle on May 26, 2008 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
silva vs machida please!!!!!! so machida can get his fruity ass knocked out!
by machidafanclubprez on May 26, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
wandy would be more competitive at 185, he would kick more ass, plus! 185 needs more fighters!
Shogun should drop down to 185 as well!
by Ramon on May 26, 2008 2:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Shogun vs. A.Silva!?!?! that would be a dream come true!!
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok, wandy I can see being able to drop, but shogun? no way he can make 185 and still be healthy.
by linx on May 26, 2008 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, A. silva should move up then!! his dominace in the 185 division and the lack of contenders there might cause that anyway.
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, he should fight okami, get a rematch with hendo, and move up. there really isn’t anybody else that could pose a threat to him at MW.
by linx on May 26, 2008 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Wand fans, he never WENT anywhere! If by “he’s back” you mean he’s back to winning, then yes, I agree. But to say he “wasn’t himself” simply because he lost… that’s BS.
Look who he’s lost to: CroCop, Henderson, and Chuck via decision. And I’m not saying Wandy couldn’t beat those three guys, but many of the guys that Wandy has annihilated have been B-level fighters. (Yes, I know, he’s smashed Rampage twice, which is why that should be one of his next 2-3 fights.) Again, I’m NOT saying Wand isn’t an A-level fighter, because I think he his is.
I’m just tired of people implying that he lost to CroCop, Henderson, and Chuck because “he wasn’t himself.” If that argument has any teeth, it’s the fight with Chuck as it was his first in the Octagon after many years. But he didn’t look bad in his fight with Chuck, he just wasn’t able to close the distance like he did with Jardine.
And did he ever close with Jardine!? I love how Wand stepped right into the first Jardine leg kick, ate it, and landed a bomb. That, I’m sure, was a key part of the game play. Wait for a leg kick, get inside, and go to town.
by Soups on May 26, 2008 3:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was my analysis on his gameplan as well, good call. Also, don’t forget that Wand DID beat crocop and hendo each the first time he fought them. The first cro-cop fight was called a draw only because of some B.S. Pride/K-1 rule where if theres no KO, it was an automatic draw. Wand owned Cro-Cop in that fight though.
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to be the one to back the statement "he wasn’t himself", but he really wasn’t. he lost to dan when he was sick, the night before he was in the hospital with a fever (search it, it’s true). That’s the reason dana white was so mad at pride for messing up the then wandy vs liddell possible fight, it was because they let him fight even though he was sick (but to back up Pride, what were they supposed to do, give Henderson another fighter in 12 hours?). the fight he lost and was 100% wandy was the one against cro cop. the other two are arguable. that’s how I see it anyway.
by linx on May 26, 2008 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wandy did beat Cro Cop and Henderson in the fisrt and lost in the rematch.
by Ro on May 26, 2008 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but his first fight with them both were long ago.
by linx on May 26, 2008 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chuck will probably only need one more win to get a title shot, and the winner of his bout with Shogun will most likey be the number 1 contender but remember this fight will happen in September.
Machida could possibly fight Rashad for a number 1 or 2 slot.
and
Wanderlei Silva could possibly fight Thiago Silva or James Irvin for a number 3, 4, or 5 spot.
LHW is so stacked.
If TUF didnt hold up the belt for so long, we wouldnt have all these number 1 contenders piling up.
by c-war on May 26, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
why should Chuck only have to beat 1 more opponent to get a title shot? That makes him 2-2 since he lost and those are hardly contender numbers. There are other guys who deserve a shot more than Chuck. Thiago, Machida, and Rashad are all undefeated. Maybe their names aren’t as “marketable” as Chucks’ is but they are showing more than he is.
Thiago 13-0
Machida 13-0
Rashad 16-0-1
Just because he is Chuck Liddell shouldn’t make him an automatic title contender with a 2-2 record in his last 4 fights when you compare him to those guys. if anything Rashad deserves the title shot first.
by SpiderStyle on May 26, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, chuck should only get a title shot if fighting one of those you mentioned, unless it’s against shogun.
by linx on May 26, 2008 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
SpiderStyle: Chucks not fighting b-level fighters. So if he beats Shogun then yes I think he deserves a title shot again. Look at it this way GSP fought Koshcheck who is not a top fighter then a past his prime Hughes to get a title shot again. BJ was coming off of two losses and was givin a title shot with Pulver. Anderson Silva beat Leben and was givin his title shot. Rampage came in to the UFC, beat a smaller Eastman and was givin a title shot. So Liddell beating Wandy one of the top dogs and IMO after beating Shogun another top dog, why do you think Chuck doesnt deserve a title shot?????
by JV on May 26, 2008 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry but the second fight BJ had with Pulver was not a title fight, it was the main event of a TUF finale. In the first fight, which was a title fight, BJ was coming off a few wins, so whats the deal?
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to Dana White. If Liddell wins, Dana will give him a title shot. He wants Liddell to beat Rampage just as much as Liddell does himself.
by Toms Bombs on May 26, 2008 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, because then he will have a wanderlei/rampage match, and if Wanderlei can beat Rampage again…imagine a Chuck vs Wanderlei for the title! Fing AWESOME!
by Chadx23 on May 26, 2008 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Chuck beats Shogun in September, he would be 2-1 since he lost the title and would have victories over Wandy and Shogun. To suggest that those undefeated guys are more deserving doesn’t seem to factor in the opponents. If you look at Evans last few fights, we are talking a controversial draw with Tito, and wins over Bisping and Salmon. Tito faced Chuck twice in his career and got KTFO’d both times. Thiago has Drwal, Mendes, and Houston Alexander in his last 3. Chuck might be able to beat all 3 of them in 1 night. You can make more of an argument for Machida, but he has 5 victories via decision in his last 6 fights.
If Chuck beats Shogun, he should get a shot at the belt. Ideally, Wandy beats Machida or Evans in his next fight and sets himself up for the Chuck/Rampage winner.
by Sacto on May 26, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats a huge IF about chuck vs shogun if you ask me, he ain’t gonna go past shogun. we’ll have shogun vs page II soon.
by linx on May 26, 2008 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
God I wish I could agree with that…as much as I would want to see Shogun win that fight, I just dont think he will. His aggrressive style will land him with a counterpunch KO from chuck, and Liddell is impossible to clinch with, so he wont be landing any kness.
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention the 2 knee surgeries that I stated before. That is gonna be a huge factor. He may never be the same again.
by naturalshadow on May 26, 2008 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but sometimes with the proper rehab, the knee can come back stronger than ever when people have these ligament replacement surgeries…similar to tommy john surgery in baseball.
by --utaptout-- on May 27, 2008 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True, but sometimes with the proper rehab, the knee can come back stronger than ever when people have these ligament replacement surgeries…similar to tommy john surgery in baseball.
by --utaptout-- on May 27, 2008 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2 things…Its not all about your record. It’s about who you beat and how dominant you were. How do you think Forrest got a title shot after losing to Tito and Jardine? If Chuck beats Rua, that means he would have beaten him and Silva as well, both top 5 guys. You beat two top 5 guys back to back, you are no doubt a number 1 contender.
Machida beat Tito, and wasnt very dominant, but that was his first top ten fight, Soko could be argued but you get my point. I think Rashad may need one or two more wins, he hasnt even beaten a top ten yet and barely beat Bisping.
Thiago hasnt beaten anyone, although his wins were more than impressive, you gotta give him a top spot.
So 1: It depends on you beat.
2: It depends on how you beat ’em.
by c-war on May 26, 2008 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey everybody, shogun is already training box according to tatame.com, kind of soon for that I think, but he better not injure himself again…
by linx on May 26, 2008 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’d like to see him fight:
James Irvin
Rashad Evans
Houston Alexsander
Thiago Silva
Lyoto Machida
Chris Leben
Micheal Bisping
Rich Franklin
Spider Silva (will happen)
GSP (if GSP gain up to 185 lb)
Rock Quarry
I also wanna see rematch of Tito vs Wandy 2 (will never happen unless Dana sign him one fight to Silva) and Henderson vs Silva 3, Rampage vs Silva 3
by Ro on May 26, 2008 3:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pffffft forget houston, wandy would put him on his ass faster then irvin did. if thats possible
by manic on May 26, 2008 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why not see Wandy knock Houston the fuck out, may not be a super fight but I wanna see Wandy beat the shit out of him anyway.
by Ro on May 26, 2008 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wandy would lose by KO against Houston Alexander, Houston would just clobber him.
by BLOodyMEss on May 26, 2008 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Silva would destroy Alexander, but it would certainly be a brawl. Probably not a single jab between the 2. haha
by naturalshadow on May 26, 2008 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
silva faces the winner of chuck and shogu when they fight in septmember
by pooninai on May 26, 2008 3:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
fuck yeah hes back i dont know but dis is gonna sound a lil gay but it seems that every time he shaves his head hes always in a mission to win
by fernando on May 26, 2008 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ive alwasy been sayin, forget MW, if Wandi can compete with 205’ers and have bomb fights, even dominate most, then why move to a smaller weight classs? Don’t fix it if it aint broken.
by The Anomaly on May 26, 2008 4:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Rampage loses he will fight Wanderlie next. If he wins then Wanderlie should get to fight Forrest. As for 185 I want to see Rich Franklin vs Dan Henderson or Bisping vs one of them. Chuck is going to fight Shogun next. Manchida will probably fight Rashad or Thiago so that two unbeatens collide. Manchida is one fight away from a title shot or a date with Chuck. I think Manchida can beat anyone in the division but he is dull to watch. To evasive, yes it gets thw W but it sux to watch. That is why Wanderlie is loved by fans…he is full tilt
by Hatteras on May 26, 2008 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that it should go this way….
Wandy vs Irvin
Liddell vs Shogun
Thiago Silva vs Machida
Sokoudjou vs Evans
by Mike-C on May 26, 2008 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WANDERLEI SILVA IS BAK AND BETTA THN EVA BRING ON CHUCK LIDDELL !!!!!!!!!
by pooninai on May 26, 2008 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WERD MUNNEY!! LET ME POOR OWT SUM OF MA FOWTY FO MA DED HOMIES…
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Wandy, but goodness he seems smaller than he was in Pride. His body just doesn’t look packed with muscle like it did before. Dunno. When he fought Page they didn’t look that different, except Page was maybe a bit bigger. Now I look at them and Page looks way way bigger.
I’d love to see him fight Soko, though his standup was scary fast at 84. It was impressive. It’s hard to imagine anyone imposing their gameplan on Machida right now. He’s like GSP but smaller and does jumping Karate kicks.
by dave on May 26, 2008 4:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You guys that keep saying wandy looks smaller than he did in Pride makes me wonder if you guys really looked at the pictures from his Pride days compared to the UFC days. He looks the same to me, I tried searching for pictures with him in the same stands to compare, now tell me how he looked bigger in Pride???
wandy vs page (Pride):
http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?pic_id=7875&t_id=wanderlei%20silva&my_page=4
wandy vs sardine (UFC):
wandy vs nakamura (Pride):
http://www.sherdog.com/news/picture_gallery.asp?pic_id=14814&t_id=wanderlei%20silva&my_page=4
wandy vs sardine (UFC):
you guys need to create a blog called “rumors ‘R’ us”. all these roid accusations are pure BS.
by linx on May 26, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he’s not smaller dude, search the pictures and compare them side by side, don’t believe the rumors (I posted some links with the pictures to compare, but I think it got censored).
by linx on May 26, 2008 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the intense lighting in the ring in Pride helped make the guys appear bigger than they were.
by --utaptout-- on May 26, 2008 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Machida vs Thiago Silva, someone’s 0 has gotta go, now lets all talk to joe silva about that fight….
by BJ's#1NutHugger on May 26, 2008 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he should fight machida and the winner of that fight faces rampage/forest
by teddy on May 26, 2008 5:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like the idea of soko vs evans, thiago, or irvin.
by alex on May 26, 2008 5:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wandy vs. evans finally someone can expose evans for the plug he is.
by creeks on May 26, 2008 5:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont think wandy can stop rashads takedowns, if anyone will expose evans it would have been chuck.
by alex on May 26, 2008 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is why the UFC needs to hire me…
Wandy vs Evans
Liddell vs Shogun
Thiago Silva vs Machida(Silva deserves the hype not Machida)
Sokoudjou vs Irvin
Jardine vs. Reljic
Houston vs. Gouveia
IMO
That’s nice!
by Ground-Game on May 26, 2008 6:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
if rampage beats forrest, give wandi an immediate title shot based solely on the fact that he’s beat rampage twice. then, if wandi wins, he can rematch chuck, this time for the belt. isn’t that what everybody always wanted, chuck vs. wandi in a 5 round title fight???
by duece 4 on May 26, 2008 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
more on dana and jacob, the comedy saga continues:
by linx on May 26, 2008 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
his 84 fight was impressive, best he’s looked in a long time, his next fight should be soko, rashad or like others said rampage if he loses… machida vs thiago would be awesome. if tito caught machida in a triangle you would think tiago could do it if it goes to ground. stand up advantage machida tho
by markg on May 26, 2008 8:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Evans vs Machida winner faces champ
Thiago Vs Wandy
Chuck vs Shogun
Irvin vs Soku
by Gaylord Focker on May 26, 2008 9:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m all for those fights and don’t see much better
available match ups for any of them.
by RipTheSystem on May 27, 2008 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ground Game man you got it nearly perfect. Evans V Silva could be a Sept or Oct matchup to decide the next contender for LW title shot,in early NOV/DEC Chuck/Shogun and Lyoto/Thiago fight w/winners facing off early 09 for midyear title shot. Soku v Irvin would be a highlight reel KO one way or the other. I might switch Reljic and Gouveia and have Jardine/Gouveia both coming of losses and needing a win and Reljic/Alexander providing obvious highlight material. I am never any good at predicting these things though, this is just how I would like to see it go.
by efisher on May 26, 2008 9:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Word efisher. Except that Jardine and Gouveia fought already, and might not want to do it again…
Another alternate is Jardine/Gouveia vs. Shogun. Contingent on how “healthy” the three of them are.
by Ground-Game on May 27, 2008 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamill vs Bonnar
Boestch vs Houston
by Gaylord Focker on May 26, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dont want silva to face rashad evans yet, i hate to say this but rashad will going to outpoint silva through the entire game even though he’ll not be able to make major damage in silva but rashad will outpoint him w/ is not good, rashad will obviously will not to try to strike too long against silva, & rashad will hold silva down till the end of the 3rd round.
by mad_drummer on May 26, 2008 10:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
machida vs winner of rampage/griffin @ ufc ~89
ufc ~88 thiago silva vs rashad evans for next #1 contender
Wandy and liddell need a couple of more wins till they deserve a title shot
by Ramon on May 27, 2008 12:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
soko vs shogun! soko asked nicely why not give it to him?
by mmanutz on May 27, 2008 2:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wanderlei vs. Lyoto is the only logical matchup right now. They won’t have Chucky fight Wandy again so soon, and Lyoto is STILL undefeated.
I think Wandy would be the favorite in this one…he seems like the yin to Machida’s yang.
by Axe Grinder on May 27, 2008 3:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO
Rampage will kill Forrest Griffin by first round KO
Machida should get fired just like kalib starnes
Chuck vs Wanderlei Silva for no.1 contender
BJ Penn should replace Jon Fitch for UFC 87
Tito is right about fighters getting much more pay
Rashad Evans vs Thiago Silva
Sean Sherk vs loser of Huerta vs Florian
Sokodjou is rubbish
Rua vs Jardine
by Bil on May 27, 2008 5:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i agre with almost everything you said.that was until you said Sherk getting the loser of KenFlo vs ElMatador. and the Sokodjou is rubbish comment is not true. Sokodjou is still a young fighter with a lack of experience. he still has a lot of potential with his strenth and youth on his side.plus he is working with team Quest so he will only keep getting better.
by the Levi on May 27, 2008 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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