Yeah, we heard you say it 3 other times. lol

Oh my fault, it’s cause I thought my comment wasn’t being posted. Shit it’s been an hour since I wrote that shit.

JV, those BJ luver’s aren’t gonna let u forget that u bet 1k on Sherk if/when he loses. As the saying goes: “RU willing to put your money where ur mouth is?” Definitely sounds like it…Gud Luck!

I appreciate the good luck. I just can’t stand BJ, and I think Sherk has got alot more chance to win than people are giving him credit for. And if Sherk does win I wonder how all the BJ fans will take it? And I won’t let them forget it.

“borderline” just means he didn’t quite time the cycle right. Sherk has actually convinced himself, like any great liar does!

I couldn’t AGREE with you more, what’s wrong with the world today ?

Gregg summed it up quite well. BJ nuthuggers don’t want to hear logic, they just want to yell “WWAAAR BJ!!” at the of their lungs, plug their ears and run into a a corner screaming like a child, anything to ignore logic.

BJ has a lot of balls calling anyone else a cheater considering in every one of his fights he gouges his opponent’s eyes or does some other dirty tactic.

thank you for writting all that down for me.
bj wants to sound bad ass and rightous by saying he hates cheaters and all that crap but all hes doing is making himself look stupid(er).

So you think BJ comes in and gouges people in the eyes intentionally, what other dirty tactic? A natural level of nan. is around 6 Sherk tested around 12, not a big difference but to high to be natural, so either way he was out of line.

in everyone of his fights????? GSP (and i still think it was a solid punch) and Hughes for sure . . . Name one more dude! You Sherk huggers are the ones that dont listen to logic and reason! Name one other fight or one other dirt trick tacti that BJ uses, came one just one and shut me up. Your boys the cheater and its ben proven, huh?

yeah… but a guy that goes around assaulting cops (and then lying about why he did it) and holding on to chokes when their opponent has tapped out shouldn’t really be giving lessons about good sportsmanship and sticking to the rules…

Adam don’t even worry about it, we will win this whole fued come the 24th. We BOTH know Penn is gonna win, so why let these dudes who have been watching for 2 months get to you? I know it takes a lot of patience but in less then a week now it will all be over, and we will have won.

be specific, sucker punching a cop then running away only to be tackled by the same cop he hit.

you are wrong. heavy training can increase nan levels in a big way. there have been other cases where athletes have been banned for high nandrolone levels and after an invesitgation they were acquitted because athletes who overtrain make more of it naturally. Nobody trains as hard as sherk nor has his weird diet. I think he just had a natural spike in his nan blood level.

He heavy trains always, a training machine, Right? So why werent they always that high, a 10 year career and never that high before and i bet theyll never be that high again.

I’m not saying Sherk did or didn’t… but I’m saying there is enough questions to raise doubt in anyone’s opinion about whether Sherk did or didn’t.

1. Sherk passed a polygraph 3 times. I don’t know who submitted that lie detector test.

2. Sherk had bloodwork done showed he was clean. I don’t know when he had that bloodwork done or who did it?

3. Fighters were tested before Sherk and were found to be ‘positive’ the vial was cleaned, but however the vial wasn’t tested to see if traces of steroids were still in it.

4. Sherk said it may be something in his supplements. I don’t know what Sherk’s been taking, Nandrolone substances are banned from US products since around 2005. However, suppliers are always finding ways to get new unbanned substances into their “supplements.” However, I never heard anything more about the results of his supplements being tested.

It would have to be a lot left in the vial seeable to the naked eye to raise his levels that much, not some microscopic amount. AND where did you hear about all this, the lie tests, second blood tests, etc etc . . . From Sean Sherks mouth, he says those things and never produces the proof of what hes saying, he could say he took ten blood tests after and it wouldnt matter to me unless he also gives a website where we can see this proof without his helping words, you know, see it with my own eys. Put out a website, a phone number, a lab address, or just name the place for christ sakes. All he does is say " i took test, all sorts of test, they prove im right . . . " What is that supposed to mean to me and other MMA fans. IF he named a lab or website we can go to and i went there and an eployee that works there or administerd the tests or results substantiated that SHerk even came into there business let alone took any tests and past them i would be satisfied beyond beliefe! BUT he does not do this, his lawyer does not do this, no lab says it on there own just to help the guy out, no documents have been produced by anyone associated with Sean Sherk, even Dana says he believes Sean for a lot of reasons but none of those reasons are because he took any tests after or had any blood work done after or urine. Sean hasnt even shown proof of these phantom tests to Dana, his boss. Just show me one website that shows any proof of what Sean Sherk claims because he is the only one who claims it. No one else says these things but Sean, he LOVES that freedom of speech! You cant slander but you can lie as long as its about yourself. PROVE ME WRONG . . .

This evidence brief was submitted to the CSAC, made public by Sherk’s lawyer and Sherk and publicly addressed by CSAC Executive Officer Armando Garcia. Attorney’s can be held liable for false statements. It would be stupid to fuck with the CSAC with public lies.

Of course what I’m going to write here is from a secondary source as is almost all information, which we all form our opinions from.

1. CSAC does not accept polygraphs as evidence. Don’t have any info about lie detector test or companies that administer them. It ends up being irrelevant.

2. Sherk submitted blood tests, however, the time period in which they were taken could have allowed Sherk to cycle off, easy to refute this test. It ends up being irrelevant.

3. The vial was not tested to see if traces of steroids were still in it. This is Sherk’s argument, that Quest Diagnostics is at fault, but one the CSAC will say operates a perfect process, end of story. It ends up being irrelevant.

4. One supplement tested from Sherk’s independent, Xyience Xtreme Joint Formula, tested positive for a testosterone booster. FYI, Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta, own a major stake of Xyience. In any case the testosterone booster in Xyience isn’t something CSAS tests for.
- CSAC Guidelines and the FAQ on their website cite studies warning that over-the-counter supplements could contain traces of steroids that could inevitably lead to a positive test. It’s up to the fighters to know what they are putting in their bodies. It ends up being irrelevant.

So, in contrary to u, I do believe Sherk did do all those things he stated to try to prove his innocence. However, they are all refuted, HOWEVER, (lol) YOU can get a positive test from over the counter supplements… EVEN the CSAC states you can, but it’s your own damn fault.

I like Sherk, I like BJ even more. I try to do a reasonable amount of research, before hanging someone in a questionable position. There’s reason to believe either side… I’m just saying I’m not sure that Sherk knowingly took something to double his nano level. I don’t know how others can be soooo’ positive and adamant with an opinion and not even understanding the process he & CSAC went through.

Great indepth post Thorazine.

ty Gord, should’ve posted it earlier…

Are you saying he meant to poke GSP? thats the most stupid thing i’ve ever heard.

I don’t think he poked GSP on purpose, but I agree with pretty much everything else that he said. He did make excuses for losing to Hughes. It was a fight, the reason his rib broke was because Hughes broke it. He does run his mouth and he is a poor sportsman. He is also very talented. All those things are true.

I would love to see Sherk win this fight.

no he didnt mean to poke him… but just like trigg kept beating down on hughes when he kneed him in the b*lls BJ just kept pounding on him… fine… it’s the ref’s call so all good… but since then – and immediately after the fight – he just kept running his mouth about how GSP was more beat up than him and he felt he won etc…

eddie bravo clearly gave the match 2 rounds to 1 to GSP… BJ is just a b*tch and always makes excuses and complains…

and the hughes excuse was just ridiculous… you broke your rib IN A FIGHT… you lost the fight… just admit hughes was better on the night when he crucifixed you and beat you down and take it like a man… but he actually goes on abt hughes being a p*ssy and stuff…

he’s gifted fighter but he is by no means an ambassador for the sport… BJ is a b*tch…

He broke his rib when he took hughes’s back from gaurd, what are you talking about, when did Hughes break it???? It was broken going into the third, and BJ owned the last two minutes of the second, so Hughes broke it beofre that but BJ was still able to pull off that move to take Hughes’s back, come on, BJ broke it attempting that move, thats why he didnt completely get Hughes’s back and didnt finish him off. GET REAL, and do some research. Youve got to be retarded to think Hughes would win the rubber match.

In addition Bj hardly ever mentions his broken rib as an excuse for losing to Hughes, even mths after, the hospital report came out and people wanted to know what happened, so it was explained and rarely ever mentioned by BJ, mostly likely explained by someone in his camp though.

Good grief ladies, but you do get your panties all in bunch over BJ/Sherk. lol. The fight will happen soon enough, then you guys can relentlessly tease the loser.

LoL, huh, true chefpops . . . "Now make me a ham sandwich bitch, i said NOW! And no, not with that mustard, with the other one, yea, the spicy one, duh! hehehe!

Lol!!!

And I’ve got a little special mayo for you there my friend. It’ll be ready in two minutes. lol

I just woke up, read this, now i DO want a sandwich and i ran out of turkey yesterday afternoon!! Me hungry!

Penn broke his rib doing a very pointless move. Any competent wrestler knows that an armbar triangle choke is just dumb. Its basicly like trying to pin a guy except by overexerting yourself. BJ didn’t know his own limitations there. Also with poking GSP in the eye and continually beating on him, he gave his fans a reason to think he could actually beat GSP. Penn is rude and if he was as washed up as Tito people would hate him based on his attitude alone. Penn huggers!

I hear that. Yeah, for some reason I don’t really think that Sherk really roided. It just doesn’t seem like it. His actions and the way he’s always responded. No test is completely bulletproof, and it’s really possible that this one was a slip-up. I was mistakenly tested positive for Hepatitis once. Made for an interesting couple of days.

I laugh the same way Sherk laughed at BJ when he was getting all riled up. Sherk was the calm and cool one and he really got BJ going.

Its an hour long interview and BJ was worked up for 15 seconds of it, 45 minutes into it, Sherk knew he better not say anything, OR Saturday night could be worse for him then its already gonna be. I think hes just ready to pay the piper like a man, ready to take the hand that Karma has delt him and get it over with. Seans IS being a man, no fake injury, no more excuses, just get in the cage and stand across from BJ Penn . . . Like a man. Period. (Ill give you that Gord)

And so what, i love that BJ gets crazy, to me that isnt a bad thing. If a guy was calling me a chater i would be pissed, that should bother you. BJ is a NUT and i love it!!! Every crazy second of it! Every wild slap to his own face, every crazy blood licking comment, every callenge to guys like Sherk/GSP/AND BETTER, every takedown defense on one toe, every BJJ move frm gaurd, every extra long choke, EVEYTHING! Sherk even argues lame, he just layd and prayed through anarguement LoL, LAME!

Some guys stay calm and make them pay in the cage, for running their mouth. GSP-Serra comes to mind. One thing I know for sure, the confident ones are the ones that keep their mouth SHUT. It’s the guys that keep talking, that are trying to convince themselves. To me it sounds like BJ is making his excuse in advance, by constantly mentioning steriods. This way when he loses,him and all his fans can say he WOULD have won,IF Sherk didn’t juice. Won’t be anything new though, I’m used to hearing a lot of woulda’s, coulda’s and if’s from BJ’s fans.

Im one of those thats usualy quiet, may not seem so on here, but ill start now. See you sunday morning Gord, dont be ashamed to show your screen name around here, there will be another guy BJ will have to fight soon and you can jump on his bandwagon. But i bet you already are a Florian and a Huerta fan huh, whoever it is BJ will bitch slap them to. . . Then it will finaly be GSP . . .The guy i know you truly like, so i expect to see you then for sure, maybe after that youll come around to appreciate BJ Penn. If you wanna know anything else . . . GO TO BJPENN.COM!

This is the most rediculous comment ive ever heard. You used to argue logically Gord with GSp/Penn, what happened, you really went downhill.

You know what’s illogical? You and Adam convinced that BJ will RAPE Sherk (if he wins it won’t be easy). Also saying BJ is better than Sherk at everything,is very illogical, especially strength and conditioning. I rest my case on who is losing a grip on logic.

Cut and paste the post where i said BJs cardio is better. Cut and paste the post where i said BJs Strength is better, i say equal, similar, the same, but not better. I say bjs faughten MUCH MUCH stronger guys than Sean and done fine against them which means that Seans strength doenst matter to me and shouldnt matter to anyone cause BJ has been there and done that. Ive never said that Sean will be crushed in one pnch KO style. I argue dilligently that hes guilty of using steroids and BJ is is execututioner and that his record is full of CAN’S, but those are the only things im sure of when it comes to this fight. DONT put n the catagory of guys that just yell WAR PENNNNN and then leave or make claims that i dont back up (or try to), im beyond offended. Cause you cant argur your points/side you attack the oster thats geting the best of you, its chill, my fighters gonna get the best of you to when hes holding that choke for too long and you can come in here and complain about his ethics all day long since you wontbe able to argue about how your boy won the fight . . .

WORD!
Standup-BJ
BJJ-BJ
Westling-Does it matter now a days with BJJ being the ground game of choice . . .
Finishing-BJ
Causing cuts-BJ
Getting cut-Sherk
Strength-BJ, and your retarded to think Sherk is stronger . . .Who was able to stand back up on GSP, and Sherk was in shape and BJ was in round shape.
Speed-BJ
Flexability-BJ
Probable Winner-BJ!

WORD!
Standup-BJ
“BJJ-BJ
Westling-Does it matter now a days with BJJ being the ground game of choice . . .
Finishing-BJ
Causing cuts-BJ
Getting cut-Sherk
Strength-BJ, and your retarded to think Sherk is stronger . . .Who was able to stand back up on GSP, and Sherk was in shape and BJ was in round shape.
Speed-BJ
Flexability-BJ
Probable Winner-BJ!”
Not ONLY DID YOU SAY, “Strenth-BJ, but you said, YOUR (should be you’re) RETARDED TO THINK SHERK IS STRONGER”. You ALSO AGREED with Anomaly that BJ is better at EVERYTHING. Everything INCLUDES cardio. You also said in SEVERAL other (I’m not going to waste my time to copy and pasting them)posts that BJ would beat Sherk EASILY. You don’t even know what you’re posting. You don’t argue dilligently that he is guilty of doing steriods. For one, you say, Sherk has NEVER had high levels of Nan before and he always passed, yet Sherk has ALWAYS looks the same. Doesn’t this suggest that there was a MISTAKE. You can’t have it both ways. Either he has always been juiced or he NEVER juiced. It is OBVIOUS going from juice to no juice and vice versa. You’re not getting the best of me, like I said, you don’t even know what you said yesterday. I never attack the poster, just the stupid comments he says. Lastly, you should pay more attention to what you read, I’ve said MANY times," I don’t care for Sherk" so he is not my boy. I just call them as I see them and I see him winning.

That is true. Hughes does not need to worry about beating Penn. He already avenged that lose.

Yes, I do think BJ took way to long to finish a WASHED up Pulver. Lauzon destroyed him in a matter of seconds, not rounds.

LoL, you can compare that lucky punch to the pure dismantling and torture of Jens that BJ put on.

lol

Adam G……don’t fall for Gord’s comments. He must be a borderline troll lol.

His comments are so far off, it’s laughable.

He isn’t a sherk fan, just a Penn hater.

Penn will have no trouble dealing with Sherk, even with Lutters cardio.

Even with Lutters cardio LMAO, i like that, it wont be that, but i like it LoL Yea, Gord seemed to be a reasonable and logical guy (for a day) NOW im not so sure, i guess that pure punking of Sean really got to him. He can see that BJ aint scarred, he’ll say it to the guy directly, and he cant defend the interview so he goes back to Jens LoL, who got the *ss kicking of aa life time BTW! And we all know BJ had the arm bar and the triangle but didnt go for it, just likes to toy with guys and hates to do all that training and workingout for a 3 minute fight. “I wanna thank BJ for not going for the early submission finish and coming here to put on a fight, when he wants to punish he wants to punish” -Pulver Post Fight. “Whooooooo” -Pulver Looking At His Own Bustaed Up Face On The Big Screen Right After The Fight.

lol at Pulver post fight…..so true

Oops, it did sound like I said Penn had cardio like Lutters. I actually meant that even if Penn had Lutter’s cardio, a major handicap, he would still beat Sherk.

Another good point made by you Adam G…..Penn will actually decide himself when the fight ends.

I knew what ya meant, i liked that, EVEN if he had the cardio of Lt he would win, funny shit! 6DAYS!!! I cant wait for this, Quick combination, Sherk drops, back attack, roll em roll em roll em roll em, CHOKE TO PURPLE!

Hey Automation, I’m not a BJ hater, I just find his nuthugging fans (like yourself) to be very illogical and annoying. Why don’t you go and read some of my previous posts and see how far off I’ve been. I’m not the one who said BJ would win this fight EASILY. These guys are to close for either one to win easily. What’s laughable is you think BJ has good cardio,because he says he does. It’s yet to be seen,he was panting like a dog after the Stevenson fight, after only 2 rounds LOL.

Adam G, Penn should hire you as his P.R. person! lol

Gracias!!

“BJ Penn has been stopped numerous times”???haha.lol
BJ has only been stopped ONCE
Just a little info for you there. :)
BJ .vs. Sherk = easy win for BJ..sorry sherk fans!

c war ure wrong, kenflo was stopped by diego sanchez of ultimate fighter 1 finale….

c war ure wrong, kenflo was stopped by diego sanchez of ultimate fighter 1 finale…. u TUF newb haha

Also’ Before someone points out that Sherk has only been stopped once aswell, I already know!
But think about who was the only person to finish Sherk??..answer=GSP..The same guy BJ almost took out in the 1st round, and even though GSP won, it was a decision win…GSP couldn’t finish BJ, but GSP pumbled Sherk!…Also BJ has only been finished once and that was by Hughesus..And granted Hughesus broke BJ’s rib, It still effected the out-come, and BJ was killing Hughesus until that point…Sherk on the other hand, lost to Hughesus via decision..But BJ has beat Hughesus before….
Bottom line is (imo) BJ is way better of a fighter regardless of eachothers record…I dont understand how anyone could think BJ will lose to Sherk?….I am putting my “Stagger-Lee’Guarantee” on this one…BJ .vs. Sherk = easy win for BJ!

You don’t know what you’re talking about c-war, are you trying to say that Franca and Florian are better than BJ? Next time you try to make an argument, make sure it’s correct. Thanks for that bit of info.

my bad, I thought Pulver knocked Penn out a long time ago. Also thought St. Poerre had a stoppage. I need to take a trip back to Sherdog.

That’s the problem, you go to sherdog to look at the records, to see teh “win” or the “loss” via whatever, and dont watch the fight for yourself. There is so much more then just the win or loss. For example, that Penn had Pulver in an armbar taht Pulver was in teh process of tapping out of in there first fight. Best example of being saved by the bell that ive ever seen.

YUP! in a street fight jens could have kissed that arm goodbye and in a street fight there would be no break for gsp to compose himself and get his vision back.

What are you talking about? GSP had his vision back before the break between rounds. BJ is the one who needs the breaks to get his breath back. I laugh at the fact, that you NEGLECT to concider, that there is no time limit in a street fight. Penn was gassed and GSP would have beat him to death, within the next 3 minutes, had it been a street fight. Same goes for a FIVE round fight, you know, like the next time they meet.

Watch the post fight interview in the hospital with gsp at you tube dude, HE sayd he couldnt se BJ (or saw a bunch of BJs) for a round and a half . . . WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? I dont speak on things that i think man, i do research than make my claims, go watch the video of your boy completely busted up with bandages on his face, and his forhead looking maroon, with cuts all over IN A HOSPITAL BED two days after the fight! BJ f*cked him up, and now that hes in shape he’ll finish what he started, gauranteed!

So what is it? Did the break help him get his vision back or not? Now you are saying his vision was gone for a round and a half. Wouldn’t that make the break IRRELEVANT as he got it back half way through the round. The fact that you’re saying BJ COULDN"T finish a BLIND GSP (for HALF the fight)says nothing about the fact that in a street fight (with no bells or judges to stop the fight)GSP would have killed Penn, end of story. All this other crap you brought up to side step the initial point I refuted ,has NOTHING to do with it. The UFC doesn’t score it’s fights the same way as a fifth grade play ground fight,(who ever bleeds more loses)so get over it. We all know how much blood comes from a broken nose and we know giving someone one, doesn’t win the fight.

Yup your right Adam, Penn beat up on a blinded GSP and now thinks that gives him the right to say he could beat GSP. As for why Sherk didn’t finish two very good BJJ guys? Thats easy they train HARDER than Penn, everyone trains harder than Penn. So naturally when a fight comes and its going to go the distance, the guys who work on their cardio can go the distance while little bitches get finished.

Kenny and Franca went 5 rounds because they can’t finish Sherk, BJ can and will. Even if it goes to a decision, there is no way Sherk will win 3 of the 5 rounds. BTW, your argument doesn’t make sense.

Just to be clear, I was asking CHRIS if he has ever watched BJ fight, not every delusional Sherk nuthugger.

I’ve seen both guys fight and I hope Sherk gets destroyed. Penn has more tools on the ground than Franca or Florian, or Nick Diaz for that matter (who, by the way, lost a pretty stupid decision to Sherk, as well). Besides, there’s no proof that Penn is going to gas; he set a pretty solid pace against Stevenson (for as long as the fight lasted anyway), and a lot of people forget that Penn wasn’t even training at his best before he got the fight with Stevenson. Now that he’s focusing on his training and his dieting, etc., I think a lot of his conditioning problems are going to go away, and a lot of Sherk fans are going to be pretty upset when BJ submits Sherk off his back within 2 rounds.

Those are the kind of statements BJ butthole surfers say. He’ll submit him off his back? I don’t think thats possible for a guy Sherks size to be submitted on top. He’ll just flex Penn off. How does anyone see Penn winning this “easily”. Sherk took knee’s from Franca and fought a brawler in Diaz. Penn is not going to knock Sherk out or even get a gnp victory, it doesn’t seem like he could legitimately do this. To control Sherk and pound him out would tire Penn way to much consindering he’d have to hold Sherk down with 2 legs and one arm using his one free arm to try and beat a gorilla of a man. Also a good amount of Penn’s submissions go out the window, for example the rear naked choke isn’t going to happen with an experience wrestler that has a tree trunk for a throat. Also Sherk is a little shorter making his base a little harder to work with, meaning that Penn will try for leg hooks or a body triangle, both just tyring Penn and pissing Sherk off. Penn is doomed, and I’ll be back on the forum to let everyone know what a bunch of nut huggers they were being when Penn loses!

If the rear naked choke isn’t going to work,then I guess you’re right about his other submissions going out the window. All 5 of BJ’s subs were chokes. Unless he trys something new for a change, the choke is all he’s got.

A long MMA career of fighting CAN’S!!!! Florian and Hermes are no where even close to BJ on the ground, not even close! And Hermes is tiny while Florian is skinny, niether are the body type or naturals that BJ is, no comparison. And whos to say that Nick Diaz wasnt stoned off his ass in that fight, beating him two years ago aint that great of an accomplishment, beating the Nick Diaz that showed up up recently and the one that beat Gomi is an accomplishment! Sherks record should be 5-2, and hes lucky im counting the tainted Hermes win in the W column.

I’m not saying I’m happy to pick Sherk, but I have to pick someone. It’s not gonna end up a draw.

Yea, and BJ hasnt changed at all, not a thing. LoL, come on Gord, this is what your brining to the table now, your fighter is a CAN, he fights CAN’S, and hes a cheat. My boys a champion.

NICE! But he’ll say he did a pretty good job for a guy that just got his eye scratched out by a cheater . . . It was a combonation and one of the punches hit GSP in the eye, i guess black eyes dont exist anymore, now if your eye gets hit its because of an eye poke. I guess GSP also got nose poked and forehead poked and chin poked and etc etc etc . . . He was never actualy punched, GSP is too good to get punched by a guy with no muscle, and if it looks like muscle its probably fat. GSP is just too good. Serras a cheat too, damn face pokers!

Thanks Adam, you made the point I’ve been saying since UFC 58,by mentioning Serra. GSP had impaired vision for half the fight agaist BJ so he was no where near 100%. We seen the difference with Serra when he was 100% and we WILL see the difference with BJ when GSP is 100%.

YEA, i know what he said dude. Thats why i said go to sherdog and look at peoples records, not the UFC website, they only post UFC administered fights there . . . Hell they make sean sherk look like he fights good fighters LoL, they skip the 27 CAN’s hes faught and just post Diaz, Florian, Hermaes, GSP, and Hughes . . . Laughable. As you can see HE hasnt replied huh, that long list of CAN’s and nobodys is a tuff thing to take in at sherdog when you thought this guy was 32-2 like a Hughes or something, instead you find that his record should be 5-2 . . . If you count the decent fighters and not all the NOBODYS. And Sherks lucky i count the tainted Hermes fight in the W column for him, should be a no contest leaving sherk at 4-2-1. HUH?

No, you said WHAT? like he didn’t know what he was taking about and then you listed a bunch of guys that AREN’T in the UFC. He was clearly just refering to the UFC, you know, kinda like you referring to Sherks only relevant fights are in the UFC. How do you figure the Franca fight was tainted. They BOTH supposedly juiced, wouldn’t that make it a FAIR fight.

Go to the ufc webpage. they have a listing of where they’re being played. Think even all the “SHACKS” are playing 84.