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Friday Night Throwdown: UFC 84 fight preview part I

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Welcome back folks for another edition of the Friday Night Throwdown here on MMAmania.

This latest installment will be one of a three-part series that takes a look at the three key fights that will headline UFC 84: "Ill Will" on May 24. In part one today, I’ll go in-depth on the upcoming light heavyweight tilt between Wanderlei Silva and Keith Jardine.

In the coming weeks, the Throwdown will also cover both the Tito Ortiz vs. Lyoto Machida and BJ Penn vs. Sean Sherk match ups.

Put simply, a stellar card takes place 22 days from now as UFC 84 will feature not only a grudge match for the lightweight title, but two key light heavyweight super fights that will determine who could be in line for a title shot.

One of those encounters features the return of Silva and Jardine, who both fought Chuck Liddell at one point last year with mixed results. Wanderlei went to war with Liddell in arguably one of the greatest slugfests ever in the sport while Jardine outworked Liddell to a split decision win.

There are two BIG questions that have to be answered on May 24th:

Star-divide

Is this Wanderlei’s last stand?

There is no question heading into this fight that the fighter who needs to win the most is Silva. One must give credit to Silva because of the fact that the fighters who have defeated him in the past three fights are no slouches. It’s almost a murderer’s row of fights in Henderson, Liddell and Cro Cop. It’s because of this that Silva is already a living legend in this sport.

But the fact still remains that he is on a three fight losing streak and he can ill afford to lose four in a row.

In looking back at the Liddell fight, Liddell’s significant reach advantage was the difference maker. Liddell kept Silva at bay throughout the fight. Silva didn’t have the opportunity to get inside of Liddell’s range without getting caught. Had he been able to close the distance, Silva would’ve been able to utilize his dangerous clinch game. The one thing that Silva should’ve done was to soften Liddell with leg kicks as Jardine did in his fight with Liddell.

But it wasn’t to be and in the end, Liddell won the fight.

Silva will have no problem getting in Jardine’s range in this fight. It’s no secret that Jardine will look to use his effecting kickboxing game to keep Silva from getting too close to throw bombs. Wanderlei has to look to the kicking game as well to soften Jardine to strike with him. Wanderlei has more power than Jardine and his best way to finish the fight is with his strking.

At the end of the day, Silva clearly needs to win this fight to get his esteemed career back on track.

The big money fights are in the light heavyweight division for him. Although many are clamoring for Silva to move down to 185, the man still has the talent to dominate the 205-pound class. The only way I see a move to middleweight is if he doesn’t get back to his winning ways on May 24.

Why does Jardine doesn‘t get any respect?

I’m a big Forrest Griffin fan, but it’s a travesty that Griffin got a title shot before Jardine did.

The reason I say this is because let’s get real here. Griffin defeated Hector Ramirez and Shogun Rua, but Jardine defeated Liddell and GRIFFIN! It’s painfully obvious that the UFC felt a Griffin-Jackson PPV would sell more than Jackson-Jardine, which is the reason Forrest got the title shot.

And what is Jardine left with to prove he should be next in line … a date with the Axe Murderer that’s what!

I’m not the biggest advocate of Jardine but I feel that Jardine deserved the first crack at Rampage. He has the more qualified resume. Granted, Shogun was arguably still the number one light heavyweight in world when Griffin defeated him. By the same token, Jardine defeated the greatest light heavyweight champion in the history of the UFC.

Who was the more popular fighter at the time … Shogun or Liddell?

Back to this fight. A win here for Jardine clearly puts him ahead of Lyoto Machida for the winner of Jackson-Griffin. A loss for Jardine puts him right back on the bottom of totem pole. It’s a travesty folks, yet all Jardine has to do is win this fight and win it convincingly. And he has a hell of chance of winning this fight. All Jardine has to do is not slug with Silva but outwork him on the feet and he walks away with a decision win.

If he decides to get reckless (see Houston Alexander) it will a very short night for Jardine and POOF there goes that title shot!

Who wins this fight?

Tune in to our UFC 84 fight predictions in three weeks of course! Shameless plug to remind you guys to keep coming to the site for all the latest updates and fight predictions!

MMA news and other notes

Rich Franklin moving up to 205?: Rich is between a rock and a hard place at this point. He is perhaps the second best middleweight in the world. But it doesn’t mean a damn thing if the man atop of the division is your kryptonite in two fights. I would trade Franklin to light heavyweight and Wanderlei to middleweight in a heartbeat.

Franklin is clearly still a top draw and fan favorite in eyes of many. I would pick him to defeat the likes of Jardine and Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou. It wouldn’t hurt for Franklin to even fight Liddell -- he would likely him a run for his money. The only fighter I would recommend Franklin to stay away from is Machida, of course, the reason being that Machida KTFO’d Franklin in Japan years ago.

Now I may be getting far ahead of myself here because there is one more big fight for Franklin at 185 against Dan Henderson. Add that with the inevitable middleweight showdown between Anderson Silva and Yushin Okami, and you have one star studded card that could take place in the fall. If Franklin indeed does get by Henderson, it would be wise to move up to 205.

NO ONE WANTS TO SEE FRANKLIN-SILVA III!

Chris Leben turns himself in to clear off a past DUI charge: At first, everyone I knew assumed that Leben was back to his old ways during the first season of the Utimate Fighter. Turns out that it wasn’t the case and that Leben turned himself in to allow him obtain his visa for his fight with Michael Bisping at UFC 85 in London. First off, big props for Leben because he’s one of my favorites and he’s one of the main reasons I was watching that first season of TUF. To see the way he was in that season to the man he is today, got to give respect to the man.

He’s changed for the better and is riding a two fight winning streak since his last defeat. Leben has a hell of chance in the fight with Bisping. I don’t think that Bisping has fought anyone who has power in his hands like Leben. Plus, Leben’s ground game is seriously underrated and if it goes to the ground the edge has to go with Leben. All in all it should a great fight but once again great job Chris on cleaning up your life to be a better fighter.

What do you take from DREAM 2?: For me if there was anything that stands out after the first round of the DREAM 2008 Middleweight Grand Prix is simply one thing. Until he gets a win, Denis Kang is the most overrated middleweight in the world right now. Many sites and experts have Kang in the top 10, but I just don’t see it. He was the prohibitive favorite in this tournament and came up small again. When he gets a win, then people can argue with me if he’s top 10 material or not.

Loser of the Week: CBS Chairman Sumner Redstone was quoted in a report that he doesn’t support his network’s decision to air MMA on free TV. The typical reason of an incompetent moron who doesn’t know a damn thing about MMA is simply this, "I just don’t like the sport." Add that with his statement that he thinks it’s not "socially responsible" to air the fights for free. That’s a bad sign for EliteXC with its first card on CBS just four weeks away.

The head honcho of the network doesn’t even support the decision to have MMA on his network!

This is clearly another hurdle MMA must go through to get respected as a legitimate sport and not a flash in the pan like the XFL. Add to the fact that the President of Fox Sports, Ed Goran was quoted as saying about a possible deal with the UFC as "We don’t need money badly." These guys are clearly unbelievable and just doesn’t give the sport the chance to succeed. The fact of the matter is that FOX, the network that airs shows like Moment of Truth and Celebrity Boxing will eventually have to get a deal done with UFC.

At the same time, if the EliteXC show bombs it could be a huge setback for the sport in regard to being on national television. It doesn’t matter if you a fan of EliteXC or not, if you truly love the sport then you will watch the May 31 show on CBS. Do it for the sport folks, we all know they need the support because it’s clear that the big man upstairs at CBS doesn’t.

That ends another edition of the Friday Night Throwdown here on MMAmania.com. Next week is part two of my UFC 84 preview. Part two will highlight the other light heavyweight bout between Lyoto Machida and Tito Ortiz. Should be a fun FNT next week and I’m looking forward to it. Agree or disagree with the statements made in today’s column? Then be sure to reply in the comments section at the bottom of the page or e-mail me at
chris_Fridaynightthrowdown@yahoo.com.

Until next time … I’ll see right back here next Friday in the Throwdown!

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by Big Russ on May 2, 2008 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

can you tell me who won the evans vs. machito fight?

by lisa on May 24, 2009 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

i’m liking this friday night throwdown…chris does a solid solid job…i disagree about jardine deserving a title shot over forrest though. i think had jardine not been embarrassed by houston, he would have got the shot, reguardless of forrest beating shogun…sure forrest lost to jardine, but that was like a year and a half ago. but i do agree that marketability was certainly a factor in the matchmaking…nice job though chris, i now look forward to friday night throwdown every week, keep it up…

by tha spida on May 2, 2008 7:16 PM EDT reply actions  

That’s what I’m saying. Why does anyone think Jardine deserves a title shot on a one fight win streak? The UFC didn’t even do that for Chuck. It’s all about marketability and at least Forrest is coming off 2 in a row.

Chris, really like FNT… Just some more BS for all us MMA nerds.

by bnf on May 2, 2008 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jardine doesnt deserve a title shot because he is on a 1 fight winning streak, but Forrest deserves a title shot with a 2 fight winning streak: 1 against a bu, Hector Ramirez, and the other against a q- legged Shogun)?

Going by record and winning streaks, the only man deserving to fight for the lightweight title is Machida, but he has been boring and hasnt faced any top 10 LHW fighters. The problem with the Lightweight division is actually simple. THe problem is the match making that has taken place in the last year in the LHW division. No fights with title shot implications have been bokked in this division. Its all been a ploy to cloud up the title picture in order to justify a title shot for Liddell.

Matches should be made by booking winners of there last fight against each other, and loosers vs. Loosers. But When u make matched like Machida vs. Tito…..it does nothing to clear up who deseves a title shot. Wanderlei lost his last fight, Jardine won his…. As much as I love this match, all it does is cloud up the division even more.

Machida should have been booked to fight Jardine. Winner gets Rampage next (after he destroys Forrest).

I love the matches that are taking place in this division except for Forrest vs. Rampage which is B.S!
But the matches should be made in a way that result in finding a clear cut #1 contender,and I dont see this happening in the UFC LHW division right now.

As for Dennis Kang, I know he is on a 2 fight loosing streak, but he has lost to Akiyama and Mousasi….losses will happen if he face top guys. I think he has the talent required to be a top 10 middleweight and if he came to the UFC, he would make an impact in the division.

As for Mousasi…I am a big Fan….He is very young, only about 23 years old. His striking is awesome and his ground game is improving. Mousasi recently said that he would like to fight Melvin Maneoff in the 2nd round of the grand prix. Stylistically it would be an awesome fight. Laught at Kang for loosing to Mousasi all you guys want, but I think Mousasi has a really great shot at winning the whole grand prix.

by john on May 4, 2008 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

John, I agree that the UFC needs to do a better job when it comes to #1 contender fights. I don’t think it is some conspiracy to get Chuck another shot at Rampage. In all honesty, Chuck and Dana must know that he will probably lose to Rampage again.

Forrest probably didn’t deserve a shot, but in rebutle to Chris’s article, I was just saying he was more deserving than Jardine. It is hard to justify not giving Machida a shot if he beats Tito, but what if Jardine beats Wandy, who gets the next shot. That’s why they should be fighting each other.

by bnf on May 4, 2008 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice!

by ( (Adam G) ) on May 2, 2008 7:17 PM EDT reply actions  

This is the first time I’ve read Friday Night Throwdown. I’m normally too busy at work right near the end of the day to check anything out. But now I’m going to clear my schedule every Friday just so I can read this!

I can wait for the Wandy/Jardine fight! Its going to be a punch fan’s dream!

by Big Jake on May 2, 2008 7:48 PM EDT reply actions  

“Put simply, a stellar card takes place 22 days from now as UFC 84 will feature not only a grudge match for the lightweight title, but two key light heavyweight super fights that will determine who could be in line for a title shot.”

Yup. And it was supposed to be even better, with T. Silva vs. Rashad Evans.

by No1Dad on May 2, 2008 7:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Cool analysis
Kinda agree with the Jardine situation, he’s gettin a hard deal right
Not a huge fan of his, but I do wanna see him win and get his shot, and sayin that I don’t wanna see Wandy loose, this really sucks hahaha

by (Republic not Northern) Irish UFC fan on May 2, 2008 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

I’m in no way a Jardine fan but he got semi-screwed.. The main reason why is because he not marketable. Sad to say but its true

by pUniSHment on May 2, 2008 8:09 PM EDT reply actions  

he got raped by Houston thats why he aint gettin no title shot….can you imagine how pissed people would be if Jardine got a title shot after getting destroyed by Houston? Thats like saying Chuck deserves a title shot since he beat Wanderlei and lost to Jardine becaus ehe was “off” that night BS Jardine does not deserve a title shot. Machida is the most deserving of a title shot….Forrest in the short run in my opinion was more worthy of a title shot than Jardine

by Chadx23 on May 3, 2008 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll be back next Friday! Keep up the great work.

Personally, as long as no one dies or is otherwise seriously injured, I think EliteXC will be a success this Saturday. I know I’ll be tuning in to watch the most exciting sport (for free)!

by Soups on May 2, 2008 8:14 PM EDT reply actions  

D’oh! WTF was I thinking!? May 31st!

by Soups on May 3, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Griffin getting the title shot is the exact equivalent to Gabriel Gonzaga getting a title shot. I mean come on. Gonzaga didn’t deserve a title shot. He was a set up for CroCop to KTFO. Griffin was a high profile name that Shogun was supposed to murder. Plus. Jardine has only beaten one quality name in his UFC career. And he lost to Houston Alexander and Stephan Bonnar, neither of them are exactly top tier.

Point being. With the 205 division being as stacked as it is. And the UFC’s fascination with having their champions wait a year in between defending the belt. You have to go with the fights that people want to see. As a fan, I want to see Rampage murder Griffin much more than Jardine.

by Mikey Gilz on May 2, 2008 8:20 PM EDT reply actions  

jardine won that fight with bonnar in my eyes. that was his first screw over

by Egads on May 2, 2008 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

how did gonzaga not deserve the title shot you knowledgeless baffoon? He was 4-0 with 4 finishes to his name entering the title shot with couture, and had he not gotten his nose broken, he might have had a chance to steal that exciting fight.

And don’t think rampage will just simply murder griffin. someway, somehow, forrest will make this a fight just like he does with every fight he has had save for the jardine punishing.

As for the article, great stuff. You made some good points about the whole liddell/shogun debacle. I like this feature.

One thing I DON’T like, however, is knowledgeless baffoons like Mikey Gilz who have their heads up their butss and spit out stupid crap.

by Clint on May 3, 2008 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

one quality name, either chuck or griffin which one, please tell. you probably should take up reading because writing doesn’t work for you. thats just plain stupid

by knowitall on May 3, 2008 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great piece!

Jardine certainly has been getting the shaft – just look at the Bonnar fight. It is a tough call to say Griffin doesnt deserve a chance especially considering Houston has proven to be beatable. Taking on Shogun took some guts – so, I can accept the griffin v rampage fight irrespective of the marketing.

Looking forward to your thoughts on MaCHITO v Tito.

by TapedUpPair on May 2, 2008 8:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Why does Jardine doesn‘t get any respect?

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by sycboi on May 2, 2008 9:01 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you speak English as a second language?

by mac daddy on May 2, 2008 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, that’s what the article said.

by Pat on May 2, 2008 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Probably does, but it sounds like he’s quoting from the article:

“Why does Jardine doesn‘t get any respect?”

by Jackanapes on May 2, 2008 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jardine just isn’t the most popular guy in MMA, he is not a fan favourite. If you ask a majority of MMA fans what they remember most about him it will be being KO by Houston NOT his win over Chuck.However if you ask about Griffin they will say he has had the two wars with Bonnar, beat Shogun and is coaching on TUF. Not that he lost to Griffin. Its unfortunate but its also down to UFC as to how they market fighters.

by UKmmaBOY on May 3, 2008 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Lost to Jardine. Doh!

by UKmmaBOY on May 3, 2008 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah man Chris Cosme goes to my college (Rutgers) and getting his major in communications. Its crazy that the guy is only 21. Cut him some slack. He’s like one of the few New Jersey MMA fans around. I’m looking forward to his next column though! Keep it up man!

by DaTruth on May 2, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply actions  

as far as the head exec at cbs, to me he is just another old fogey who doesnt kmow what the hell he is talking about. its all about the ratings, if their good he’ll change his tune.

by b.w on May 2, 2008 10:38 PM EDT reply actions  

I like the weekly wrap-up and preview to the upcoming fights. Keep it up Mania, still doing a great job.

by ajttu on May 3, 2008 12:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Does anyone know how to make an account at Sherdog??? Everytime I try to register, it says it is disabled by the administrator.

by pUniSHment on May 3, 2008 12:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, the only reason they are giving Jardine to Silva is because they are hoping Silva will ruin any chance he has of getting a title shot. Jardine just beat Liddel a massive and huge victory, and how do the UFC reward him, by letting him fight the guy who just got beaten by Liddel. Jardine is really going to have to work twice as hard for his shot, because they are going to make things as difficult for him as they did for Lindland.

by Ade on May 3, 2008 6:02 AM EDT reply actions  

The thing that gets me about the lhw division. Just say Tito pulls the win over Machida,and silva beats jardine. who is a worthy of the title shot after forrest and rampage fight. thiago silva or Rashad( thats if he beats irvin)? Just like everyone here is talking market value. The only other guy who comes to mind if this all happens is liddell faces forrest/rampage winner in december.

by chuck on May 3, 2008 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah- Tito and Silva are only in there to be possible spoilers. There’s no way they get title shots. Where the heck is Shogun Rua anyway? He lost his UFC debut just like the current HWT champ almost did. Except for Anderson Silva, all the Pride guys have either lost or stumbled in their debut fight. Give them more fights to get used to the cage!

by Mamas Boy on May 4, 2008 6:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

Come on people the mans’s right, We all need to make sure as many people watch the elite shows on saturday. MMA needs more organizations to compete with the ufc so fighters get more money and benefits.
And the reason Jardine didn’t get a title shot was because, yes, Houston destroyed him in the first round. Had that not happened, then he should have been next in line. But it did.

by mattchupichu on May 3, 2008 11:19 AM EDT reply actions  

either way… Rampage will knock Forrest out! Forrest is not ready for Rampage yet, he beat a injured Shogun who looked to be in bad shape.. Jardine’s victory over Liddell was much more impressive

by RoB on May 3, 2008 1:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Great job, man. Great read. Along with fellow readers here I am looking forward to your next installment. You should, however, get your editor to fix the grammatical errors and missing words as to give it the total professionalism that it deserves. Don’t mean to nitpick, I just want you to be taken seriously by everyone that reads this great blog.

by arthurzero on May 3, 2008 4:49 PM EDT reply actions  

yup. good weekly review. got a little bit of news and opinion mixed up in there nicely.

what you wrote about denis kang is interesting about him being overrated. i don’t hear a lot of people going crazy over him but i def expected more out of him. I think he’s one of the best korean fighters out there. His style reminds me of Calvancante, but bigger.(both made in American Top factory, figures). On top of that, he’s a Carlson Gracies black belt. Haven’t seen his last couple fights but I’m curious how he got submitted in the last DREAM event and surprised both him AND JZ lost. what is this world coming to?

by kama kaze on May 3, 2008 5:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Franklin-Henderson would be really interesting. Henderson is faster but I don’t see him being able to dominate Franklin on the ground. Both guys are highly conditioned. It would be a three round decision either way… although I’d lean more towards Henderson.

Franklin-Machida rematch at 205 would sell some tickets too. Sure Machida beat him years ago. Both fighters have come a long way since. Totally different match-up now.

by Mamas Boy on May 4, 2008 6:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I have to disagree that Bisping hasn’t met anyone with punching power like Leben.

Bisping won the Cage Rage Title against Epstein and successfully defended the title in a rematch.

Epstein, by far, hits harder than Leben and is quicker with it too. I’d say Epstein throws like Wanderlei.

Bisping took what he had :)

by Automation on May 4, 2008 1:46 PM EDT reply actions  

Good write up, Chris. I agree with most of what you said, except that the one rationale for granting Forrest the title shot before Jardine is that Forrest was the only LHW contender at the time riding a 2-fight win streak, except for a few other fighters who I believe were already tied up with other upcoming fights (like Machida). it of course doesn’t hurt that Forrest can pull significantly more viewers than Jardine, but Jardine’s loss to Houston Alexander really hurt his stock. Anyway, great job!

by wagnerav on May 6, 2008 2:40 PM EDT reply actions  

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