Clean & Sober: Sherk and Penn pass random drug tests

While Sherk has a great chance to take this by testing BJ’s cardio and pushing the fight into the later rounds, he still has to survive against BJ in the opening rounds first.

agreed, and I’m getting sick of all these guys that don’t believe sherk roided, and think he has a shot in this fight.

you wouldnt know if smoking weed helped you in the ring!

AGREED

i see it going to a decision! bj can finish sherk..but he always has this problem with wrestlers he can beat them yes..but he cant sometimes as well. i see sherk winning this by decision if bj cant put him to sleep by the end of the 2nd round!

Penn by amputation!

lol… should we celebrate for sherk today or wut? CONGRATULATIONS!! YOUR DEAD!!

That BJ has no cardio argument is relaly getting old and its not very accurate. Maybe 2 years ago it might have been an issue but it wont be in this fight.

BJ has been training non stop since his training camp for the pulver fight. Even the Penn haters and the 4 fans Sherk has left have got to agree that Penn outskills Sherk pretty bad! First off all, how many of you know how good Sherks cardio will be now that he is not on roids? I have no clue, but it definetly wont be better than ever…thats for sure.

On the other hand we are going to see the best version of BJ Penn that we have probably ever seen and Sean Sherk just cant compete with that. I think BJ has an advantage over sherk no matter where the fight goes:

Standing: BJ is a much better striker than Sherk and BJ has one of the best chins in the game (I will admit that Sherks chin isnt bad either). Advantage…Penn!

Sherk on top in Penns guard: Sherk has a decent ground n pound, its skilled but it doesnt hurt anyone. Its more annoying than anything. Since he rarely finishes anyone by ground n pound in the past couple of years, Bj wont be worried about the ground n pound and he will able to constantly look for all kinds of submissions. BJ has one of the best chins out of anyone I have ever seen fight at lightweight in mma. There is no realistic way that Sherk will be able to finish the fight. his only hope is winning a decision which I give him about a 15% chance of doing. BJ knows he cant fin ish him so he will look for all kinds of submission like, triangles, armbars, omo’s and gogo’s. Sherk is however very good at passing from position to position, but I dont think he is good enough to pass BJ’s Guard. IF he manages to takedown BJ Penn which is a big IF because Penn dexterity makes him about as hard to takedown as GSP and we all know how much Sherk struggled taking Georges down, it wont matter because BJ his deadly from his back and always ends up sweeping his opponent and ending up on top anyway!

On the ground with BJ on top: Sherk is like a fish out of water fighting off his back. he rarely end up on his back but when he does he is very ineffective. Think about what GSP did to him. People who dont think Penn can end up on top of Sherk on the ground will be in for a big surprise. BJ doesnt have to take Sherk down to end up on top. His flexability and WORLD CLASS ju jitsu makes him very good at sweeping an opponent and getting top position. I promise you all that somewhere in the 1st 2 rounds, BJ Penn will MOUNT Sherk, and BJ’s mount is probably better than anyone’s in the world. This is how I see the fight ending: BJ gets the mount, starts trying to cave Sherks face in with punches and viscious elbows, Sherk has enough, gives up his back, Bj Traps one of his arms with one of his Monkey legs leaving Sherk only 1 hand to defend himself, and then BJ will smack him around for a little, and eventually sink in the rear naked choke….Sherks face turns purple, Sherk Taps, referee tries to break BJ’s hold, but BJ holds on for just a few more seconds, and BJ Penn becomes the undisputed Lightweight champion of the world.

Like I said, I give Sherk about a 15% chance of winning this fight. Maybe 2 years ago Sherks would have had a big enough advantage that it may have been able to overcome BJ’s skills but not this year. Sherk will have the better Cardio, but not by that much, and when you are fighting such a dangerous guy like PENN, who can finish you at anytime, it makes it almost impossible for a guy who cant finish a fight to save his life to even go the distance.

Penn can win this fight so many different ways, Sherk has only 1, a decision….So how could anyone predict Sherk will win? NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

BJ’s going toimpressively put Sherk away!

good post!!
It’s not easy to submit a strong dude like Sherk(if he indeed remains that way). Cardio is a big issue. Some guys are better than others in cardio naturally, jsut like other things where you’re just borned gifted. Before U jump on me, let me clear my point and say that, yeah u can train for cardio but you’ll peak at sudden point. Where as BJ, Baroni,etc…. gas tanks will never be the same as of Sherk, Rush, or Hughes. so, I’m gonna call it like some of yall need and say, if it goes past 3rd, BJ is toast.

I guess I should finish my sentance! lol

Anywho as I was going to say unless MLB or any other sport wanted to start their own seperate league where they admitted everyone was on roids and just let HR records get obliterated and end up with * besides names in record books lol

I think they meant the random timing of the test, not that Sherk and Penn were randomly selected for the test.

i hear ya. Bj’s been known to smoke weed here and there. I know it seems harmless but it was enough for the nsac to change the verdict at the gomi/diaz fight.

Dude,

That’s a bit harsh and I am a BJ fan, bro.

They still get tested the night of the fight. This is just due diligence.

That would be amazing to see, I just don’t believe it will happen. No matter how much BJ trains his cardio, I don’t think it will ever be one of his strengths. If he were able to make it happen he would be almost unstoppable.

flying armbar is just silly against a guy with the ground game that Sherk has, but thats ok because im pretty sure you were joking.

You suck and so do your arguements . . . Come with something new, something creative man . . . GO TO BJPENN.COM AND WATCH THE VIDEOS OF HIS TRAINING AND SEE WHAT HE KNOWS ABOUT CARDIO . . . The guy is doing 8 mile runs, uphill, at 8,000feet . . . ON HIS DAY’S OFF!!!! BJ BJ BJ!!!

BJ had no problem choking out Hughes, who’s just as thick.

you try controlling somone of Joes cardio for 9 strait minutes with a small break in there and tell me you dont need a second to catch your breath, do you think his skills are just there and he doesnt need air like some kind of terminator. The guy is just a man lke you and me. And its good thing he’ll only have to fight sherk once and not evert time he fights so its all good. I love that his opponents only have one angle, that says how great of a fighter he is!! You never hear “im gonna stand with him cause his punches dont hurt” or “His BJJ is a joke so ill take him to the ground and sub ’em” LoL, i love BJ!!!

who said its as good as seans . . . No one ever says that, ever dude! We just say it isnt an issue anymore, like hes not a fat slob anymore that just banks on his skills. You guys act like hes still hopped up on twinkies and blunts! Hes doing what a champ does as far as training goes and you haters cant stand it!! BJ BJ BJ !!!

nah…there will be no pounding out. If Sherk wins this fight it will NOT be by stoppage. Even if he wears BJ down, he’s not good enough to finish him. Just look at his track record. Go back through his fight history and see the last guy he actually finished. It was a LONG time ago, and I think it was in Pride. If there is one thing I would NEVER bet on, it would be Sherk’s finishing ability. Its a good thing for him he has the ability to work so hard for good cardio, because if he didnt, he’d never win a fight.

And I hate to agree with you. I want to see GSP fight BJ with 2 eyes throughout the fight, but the sad truth is Sherk will wear BJ down and finish him in the later rounds. BJ could take him out early, but the prior is more likely. No way this fight goes to decision.

Arent Machida, Matt, GSP and a few others just as strong if not stronger and they could barely handle a fat BJ . . .

Fedor doesn’t look like a muscle man but he submitted Coleman twice no problem.

Muscles don’t mean anything if you can submit the guy from the bottom.

Sherk by gogoplanta HA!

where might one find some?

Where are they, i want to see!!!

The haters will join up with the next guy BJ is fighting and the huggers will still be hugging for dear life. The thing is, the next guy wont be a cardio freak, he’ll be an all around good fighter but not a cardio freak so i wonder what the hater will say then . . . That Flo’s elbows from gaurd will end Penn in top position, that Huertas better somehow or that hes undefeated in the UFC so that means something. Now if its Georges . . . I cant wait for those conversations!!! That will be a long 3 months of waiting and counterpointing opinions and good arguements about two of the best fighters EVER! I hope my new rival HARDCHARGER will be there and a few others as well. At least he makes me think and rethink and then rethink some more unlike the dudes that are like “BJ sucks, huggers!” I hope YOU (charger) find my side as compelling as i find yours cause ive been waiting for someone like you that puts up a good fight and actually thinks before he types. The “in gaurd finishing” issue was a good one. But at the same time you cant say that a fat BJ wasnt dangerous on his back and that the new Penn isnt deadly on his.

Not sure if that last question is rhetorical. It should read, “Does BJ have insane takedown defense?”

Also, I don’t see Penn being that patient waiting for the match he wants with GSP. All the more reason to quick him busy in the LW division.

I made the original point above because it seems when people criticize Sherk for not finishing, it makes light of some of his opponents and their abilities. They would be difficult for anyone to finish.

Which brings to mind one of my Dream Matchups in that equation: BJ Penn vs Nick Diaz

That’s because Sherk has padded his record with cans. Sherk wouldn’t be able to finish Gomi, Hughes, a prime Uno, or even a prime Din Thomas (Sherk will win, but he would lay on Din).

I know… they are non existant. All the talkers about his steriods are passing on false information. Watch his videos look his arms are still the same. Wait till weigh ins next week, he’ll be ripped all the same.

Nah mang thats normal for Sherk.. He’s used to holding up the whole lightweight division with his delays.. WAAAAAARRRRRR PENNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!

If BJ gets KTFO, it sure as hell isn’t gonna be by Sean Sherk. I agree BJ has lacked the desire in the past, but he’s on point now. Sherk has a chance, any #1 contender does, but I’m sold on BJ, overrated or not.

LoL HAHAHhahahahahahhAHHAHAHAHAHAhahahaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

Dude, Sherk’s stumpy arms will not do anything to BJ’s skull made of Hawaiian volcanic rock.

Haha I’m not even gonna tripp about your ignorant comment.. Why, if anyone, will Sherk knock out Penn?? Sure he’s had some rare TKO’s during his career, but if anyone knocks out BJ, I sure don’t think it will be Sherk. I think that will be the only way Sherk will be able to win though, he’s gotta land a lucky punch on BJ. He won’t be able to lay on him and he sure wont be able to submit him. As for BJ’s lacking heart and desire, he left the biggest MMA promotion in the world to fight better fighters (Gomi, Renzo Gracie, Machida). So I don’t think it’s fair for people to say Penn lacks heart and desire. By challenging fighters that were not in the UFC, proved that he wanted to establish himself as one of the best fighters in MMA history. I normally don’t this much nowdays because I got AdamG saying everything that I would say anyway.

BJ can beat most WW’s, but I would say GSP beats him 6/10 times because of the size advantage he would give up. Unless he gets fat (which would probably mean less cardio), he’s gonna give up at least 10 pounds in addition to the height he gives up. Since the first Serra fight, GSP has used his reach to stay out of the pocket to avoid strikes and takedowns, and to strike from the outside to set up his own takedowns. And he knows how to use his weight and strength to make an incredible top game.

Thanks. My arguments make it seem that I am way behind Sherk. Not necessarily so. I just want to see a very exciting fight.
I want to see BJ have full cardio (that isn’t a shot) so we can see him not fade off and put on an all-out war. These guys seem more evenly matched than most care to see and has the potential for FOY.

Adam, we still have three weeks of this to go. A long way to go til the end of the fight. Keep up the intensity. Don’t gas out early. (Okay, that was a shot.)

Thanks Adam, I can’t say I agree with you very often,but it wouldn’t be much fun debating, if everyone shared the same oppinions. You definitly compell me to respond to your posts. I too, think PJJ and Hardcharger post quality opinions and I enjoy reading all of them.

There’s one man that can turn BJ into a WW machine: Mackie Shilstone. Look him up. He worked with Bernard Hopkins and did wonders for him. He extended his career by years. He improves athletes’ cardio, but he also teaches them how to put on healthy, functional weight (i.e. muscle groups specific to the sport).

Technically a fighter should be able to fight in a higher weight class, at any weight in between the 2 classes. The only problem I could see, is the athletic commision not allowing the fight if there is to large a difference in weight between the 2 fighters. Personally I think whatever he would gain as a cardio advantage, would be negated by the fact that his opponents would expend less energy in the clinch and on the ground, dealing with a lighter guy, thus extending their own cardio. He would also sacrifice punching power (less mass behind a punch = less force at the receiving end).

WORD! And yea, the middleweight class aint no cake walk especially when if you win one or two fights you have a title shot and have to get your body and face picked apart the with pinpoint striking and evil eyed bad assness of A.Silva. We’ll see how his (Penn’s) tank fairs in a couple weeks im sure! Its a wild scenerio when you think about it, Penn having previous cardio issues and having to fight what some might say is the guy with the best cardio in MMA. Im kind of glad to get this out of the way though or else people would question BJ’s cardio ‘til he faught someone of similar strengths to Sean’s. It is what it is though huh (That wasnt a shot, a la the Roger Clemins hearings . . .) At least with Sean Sherk involved you can literaly call this a title “SHOT” (BOOM! Now that was a “SHOT”!) . . . (BAM! That was another) HeHeHEEE! BJ BJ BJ!!!