Friday Night Throwdown: UFC 83: 'Serra vs. St. Pierre 2' winners and losers and other notes

Welcome to the debut of the "Friday Night Throwdown" here on MMAmania.com.
Every Friday night here on MMAmania.com, I’ll wrap up the major weekly MMA news and attempt to digest it all. The Throwdown will also include featured columns, fighter interviews and fight previews of all of the big events in the coming months.
In addition, the Throwdown will have a mailbag edition where I’ll be taking questions from you guys on the last Friday of each month.
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UFC 83 winners and losers
There have been mixed reviews throughout the MMA world and forums about UFC 83. It was a solid show from top to bottom in my opinion. I would’ve given the show a A-; however, one Kalib Starnes brought it down to a B+.
More on him later.
"Ken Flo" did a good job commentating in the absence of everyone’s favorite commentator, Joe Rogan. He's certainly no Rogan, but his expertise in the fights were spot on and it’s good to hear educated assessments while watching the fights.
Take note, Bill Goldberg.
All I can ask from the UFC is to please stop showing all these damn commercials of the next PPV and upcoming events … GIVE US MORE FIGHTS!
I'd prefer to watch the Damian Maia devastate Ed Herman than another promo for UFC 84. Some of us paid $54.95 to watch the PPV (in HD) and I think we deserve to watch preliminary fights to fill up the time while fighters on the main card get set to enter the Octagon.
The last time they did that was at UFC 80 and man was that one of the best cards of the year. It was worth 55 bucks. Come on Dana, that UFC "On Demand" service is a joke and a couple of my buddies complained of technical difficulties.
Whatever. Now to the losers of UFC 83.
Losers
Travis Lutter: Cripes, his cardio is worse than the gas prices at the pump. He couldn’t make weight in the biggest fight of his career and gassed after one round with Rich Franklin. Everyone thought heading into the fight with "Ace" that Lutter would be in great shape and could give Rich trouble. Well turns out everyone was right, but that was until the end of round one. After that he went from having Franklin in an armbar in the first round to not even able to keep his hands up in the second. Back to the preliminaries is where Lutter goes from here.
Matt Serra: Let’s give Serra credit for showing the heart of champion that night. He took a fight with GSP in his hometown of Montreal and showed no fear. But I couldn’t help myself from saying that the first time was a fluke while GSP was delivering devastating knees to the body at the end of the second round. The good news for Serra in all of this is that there is the potential of finally seeing Serra fight Hughes later in the year. One must not forget as well that there could a future in moving down to 155 if he desires. He would have the resume of being a former champion in a higher weight class and could give guys like Penn and Florian some trouble. Serra could be a big lightweight and his overall MMA game has evolved since moving up to 170.
Kalib Starnes: Man, what hasn’t been said already this past week about Kalib Starnes in his fight against Nate Quarry. It’s one thing to run away from a guy like Quarry for three rounds, it’s another thing to do it in your home country. I picked Starnes in our fight predictions to defeat Quarry by the accounts of having better all around skills. I should’ve known better by Starnes’ character as a fighter alone. The perfect example of this was his fight against Kendall Grove during the third season of the Ultimate Fighter -- he literally quit in the middle of the fight with bruised ribs. You just don’t do that, and a bigger man would let the round come to an end then throw in the towel or get pounded vis a vis BJ Penn. Granted, bruised ribs are no joke, but when you’re competing for a UFC contract, you got to leave everything in the Octagon. I’ll give Quarry credit for entertaining everyone but for fans like me who paid a hefty sum to watch fighters give their all, I never want to see him on my TV again.
Winners
Rich Franklin: I was tempted to put Rich Franklin on the list of the losers at UFC 83. Why you ask? Because it’s one thing to get a win to get back on track, but it's another thing when the division you are in has a champion who has destroyed you twice in convincing fashion. The bottom line is that even though Franklin is a top five 185 pounder he is limited as long as Anderson Silva is still the champ. Rich is going nowhere near the Spider. The next logical matchup for Franklin is possibly a high profile showdown with one Dan Henderson.
Michael Bisping: This fight was almost a given for Bisping but he did what he was supposed to do in defeating Charles McCarthy. In a division that isn’t as deep as the light heavyweight division, the 185-pound class is the perfect division in which Bisping can excel. He’s not ready for the Dan Henderson or Anderson Silvas of the world, but a couple of solid wins could get him in line for a title shot in a year or two. He'll fight Chris Leben at UFC 85, which MMAmania.com revealed first, and it’s going to be a slugfest from beginning to end.
Georges St-Pierre: Of course, GSP was the biggest winner of UFC 83 in the way he thoroughly dominated Serra from the opening bell. This was the GSP we all thought would destroy Serra in the first fight 12 months ago. The GSP that ripped through the welterweight division en route to his first welterweight title. It’s a scary thought for anyone at 170 who thinks that GSP is a mental midget. Remember this though: it’s one thing to be champion and it’s sure as hell harder to stay champion. Everyone thought that GSP would rule the welterweight division for years to come until Serra came along. I think this second go around for GSP will go much more smoothly. Next up for GSP is obviously Jon Fitch, the man who’s as hot as anyone in the UFC right now. It’s a tough fight but a fight GSP should win … key word is "should."
Other MMA news and notes of the week
Chuck Liddell out, James Irvin in at UFC 85 to face Rashad Evans: With a torn hamstring suffered during training, the "Iceman" was forced to pull out of his fight with Rashad "Boogie Nights" Evans at UFC 85.
Irvin is penciled in to fight Evans after his eight second knockout over Houston Alexander at the last UFC Fight Night. It’s a solid matchup but not quite the fight Rashad needs right now. Rashad blew his chance to enter the upper echelon of the light heavyweight division by going to a draw with Tito Ortiz at UFC 73. A win over Liddell would have boosted his stock in the division overnight and put him, more than likely, next in line for a title shot.
Irvin is no pushover of course, but the fact remains that he’s a gatekeeper in this division. I have been telling people for years now that a move to middleweight would benefit Irvin. If he continues to fight in this division, he’s only going to be a gatekeeper where he could be a contender if he moved to 185. In the end, Evans will dance around Irvin until he takes him down and pounds out the decision win.
If there is any winner in all of this, it’s Liddell in the end. Why? Because if it can be fully healed by say September; there’s a guy name Shogun who could be healthy by then as well. The original main event of UFC 85 was to be Liddell-Rua, but now there’s a good chance it could take place in the fall. Liddell benefits from this greatly because if were to get by Rua in September and Rampage defeats Griffin in July, you can put money in the bank that we’ll see Rampage-Liddell III in December.
But then again … shouldn’t Keith Jardine be the next man to fight for the title if he gets by Wanderlei Silva?
WEC 34 is loaded: If you’re not a fan of the WEC yet, be sure to watch the next WEC card on June 1. It’s the biggest card in the young promotion’s history. Besides the main event of Jens Pulver and Urijah Faber, you have the debut of ‘Pequeno’ Noguiera to the return of Jeff Curran and Rob McCullough. Oh yeah, and the one of the top pound-for-pound fighters in the sport, Miguel Torres, will also be in action. This card is star-studded and will answer a lot of questions for guys like Faber and McCullough.
Bad DREAMS: Sucks to be a fighter in the DREAM promotion after news that the promotion no longer has a television deal in Japan. This hurts because the closest thing to PRIDE was DREAM and they couldn’t even survive one event in terms of viewers. The biggest rating during the whole telecast was when Mirko Cro Cop fought and after that the ratings plummeted from there. The organization in Japan that benefits from this is World Victory Road, who have former PRIDE stars Josh Barnett and Takanori Gomi.
The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) looks the same: This season of TUF is really no different from past seasons once the whole win or go home portion of the show ended. The only thing that keeps me watching is Rampage and what he says. It’s a damn shame that the UFC has failed to market him after he defeated Liddell. Sure, he’s being marketed now with the show, but it’s been a long time coming. With aging stars like Liddell, Ortiz and even Couture, the UFC needs to showcase the future in guys like Rampage and GSP.
Wrap Up
That’s all I got this week in the debut column of the Throwdown.
If you have any questions that needs to be answered, don’t be afraid to e-mail me at chris_Fridaynightthrowdown@yahoo.com. Your comments would be greatly appreciated and I want to hear from you guys soon!
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good article for the most part…but serra actually would still be pretty small for a lightweight, he’s listed on ufc.com as 5’6
by Phil on Apr 25, 2008 10:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Being “small” or “big” (as a lightweight) has little to do with height. What the author meant was that Serra walks around heavier than other lightweights, and he has the strength of a welterweight. Matt tipped the scales at OVER 200lbs. while he recovered from his back injury. If Serra could cut to 155 (and I’m not sure that he can any more) at weigh in, he could possibly put on 20 lbs+ by by fight time through re-hydration. That would put him at an advantage over many “smaller” fighters in that weight class, who only put on 10lbs. or so after the weigh ins.
by Sean F. on Apr 27, 2008 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
couldnt agree more with the the notion that anyone at 170 who thinks gsp is a mental midget or afraid to get koed is in for a rude awakening!
by b.w. on Apr 25, 2008 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I disagree. I think he is afraid of the KO. His gameplan has been different since Serra KOed him. He hasn’t tried to stand and trade in 3 fights now, even though he has had the advantage striking every time. Instead he uses his strikes to set up takedowns as soon as he can get them. Then he works out wins from top position.
by EazyEismydad on Apr 25, 2008 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could not agree more. I have been telling all my friends that as well. His win over Koscheck, yeah it was impressive that he outwrestled on of the best wrestlers in the country, but it was lack luster none the less. He clearly had the striking advantage in that fight and did not take advantage of it. The Hughes fight and the SErra fight the same thing. I will be curious to see how he works the ground with a much taller, lankier, long legged Fitch. Someone who could tie him up in guard, where he can not pop out of it as easily as Serra. Before he sets his intentions on fighting Silva he should try to redeem that lay and pray of win over BJ Penn.
by Da Monkey on Apr 26, 2008 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure he has the advantage striking but he’s proved that he has the advantage on the ground as well. If you really knew anything about gsp you would know that’s what he does, takes people down and pounds them out or go for a submission. Thats what he did in all his TKO fights and in his fight with karo, miller, trigg and sherk. Those were all before Serra knocked him out. So ya he maybe a little hesitant to stand but it’s not like he’s changed into a wrestler like fitch said, he’s doing what he has always done.
by Patty on Apr 26, 2008 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
phil: yes serra is short, but at 155 hed be stronger than almost anyone in the division….hes a thick dude
by mctapout on Apr 25, 2008 11:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i mean sean sherk is short, but i wouldnt consider him small for a lightweight…same thing with serra if he goes to 155
by mctapout on Apr 25, 2008 11:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Rampage hasn’t been marketed because he’s been injured and hasn’t fought. GSP has been the most hyped fighter in the last six months..so I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about there.
and Serra will never win another fight in the octagon..at any weight class.
by spam man on Apr 26, 2008 12:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What a great and informative column..Sell’s opinion of GSP should not even be considered?…Sell has fought in the UFC but noy to the same height GSP has. So, why all of a sudden Sell says something its blown out of proportion?(Sells comment on GSP being a “Mental Midget”)
Sell is not even close when it comes to GSP Chamionship Status, and all of a sudden GSP is mental case cause Sell says so?..Please….?
by ntvman on Apr 26, 2008 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like this article, however, I tend to think that the reason the UFC has not yet marketed very heavily, Rampage in particular, is because Chuck Liddell, love him or hate him, was the face of the UFC up until the point where rampage knocked him on his ass….and if you think about that fight, it seemed likethe first REALLY BIG fight where you had all these huge posters up around town and you saw not just one or two celebs, but a bunch of them showed up for the fight all expecting Liddell to win, and EVERYONE for the most part was cheering for Chuck, the face of the UFC at that time, he was the man. Its like Chuck was there when the UFC was really starting to blow up big time and it just so happened he got knocked off his high horse that night and Dana and the UFC have been trying to promote him as having one more good run left in him, but I’m not convinced yet that he does. Dana said everyone wants to see Rampage vs Liddell III…who has he been talking to? Most on this site do not care to see that fight again..me as a Chuck fan, I dont even want to see it because that fights ends with Rampage winning. Chuck needs to win 2 more good fights and then retire in my opinion, because if Rampage is champ, he aint gonna beat him.
by Chadx23 on Apr 26, 2008 1:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
exactly where is irvin going to shed extraneous weight from to get to 185? i agree, considering irvin’s lack of wresting, as opposed to chuck’s excellent mma wrestling, rashad should continue to have no ability to finish top level fighters (sean salmon does not count, anyone who throws a crane kick mid-fight is unacceptable, and yes, i know about lambert, and dont care)and he should eke out some boring ass decision again. lets just hope irvin manages to coerce him into fighting and blasts his face off in the middle of the 2nd. either way, irvin has about -10% bodyfat, and he could only drop if he maybe cut off one of his legs (as cro cop said after many ridiculous LHW calls)so lets just call it what it is and hope he superman punches sugar rashads eye out and cancels out yet another annoying would-be lay and pray LHW belt assassin. in the meantime we can wait for the real contenders to fight, ie wand vs jardine and chuck vs shogun.
also, where the fuck is your love for jason day, who bashed the shit out of belcher and knocked him out on his feet, and also utilized the best rubber guard ive seen since bj penn wrapped his leg around his own head four times and gogo’d someone in the crowd.
by hardcase on Apr 26, 2008 1:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree with your evaluation of this season of TUF. You’re an idiot for saying this season is just like other seasons save for the win or go home part, and while it is the same in a way, I don’t think there are too many non-UFC worthy clowns a la Blake Bowman, Billy Miles, Noah Inhofer, Eli Joslin, Wayne Weems, Allen Berube, Marlon Sims, among others that are found in this season. The first two preliminary fights have been OUTSTANDING, and we still have six to go. the win or go home theory was GENIOUS! Dolce and Riddle, the two prelim losers, are no pushovers, and they didn’t go down easy, more than proving they belonged on the show. there aren’t too many prelim losers who you would deem worthy of being on the show, much less 2 in one season. I wish you jerkweed columnists would quit dissing the show and appreciate the “win or go home” method that has allowed this season to be the best by far.
by Clint on Apr 26, 2008 2:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, GSP shouldn’t be so afraid of the KO. He should just barge in and go for the KO. That way his opponents fists get tired out on your chin, and once that happens it’s all over. You just wake up and then go to work on your opponent.
People saying GSP is afraid of being KO’d must not realize how absurd that statement is. Even Leben is afraid of getting knocked out.
by dave on Apr 26, 2008 2:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Everyone in proffesional MMA fighting is afraid to get knocked out. Why do fighters train year after year in DEFENCE?? Blocking, ducking etc. MEMO to Fitch: Once you’re knocked out unconscience, you lose the fight.
by GodDamnMike on Apr 26, 2008 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, if guys like Liddell and Forrest Griffin are so good at the sprawl, then why do they do it?? They have better chances and are more comfortaable on the feet. It’s not as if they can’t fight well on the ground, but being smart, you will fight where you are more advantagious. “Work smarter, not harder”!
by GodDamnMike on Apr 26, 2008 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this whole mma thing iz out of controll…..
- MORE FIGHTS – im a wwe fan an i cant imagine odrering a ppv with 5 matches , thats fucking nuts(as dana would say) it not like their not already fighting,i think they should move from 5 fights to about 8 or 9
- THE RULES – it sad that people think their watching real mma, we need SOCCOR KICKS drop the elbows and maybe not headstomps BUT FOR GOD SAKE UP KICKS they say intelligently defend yourself WELL WHAT UP KICKING THEN!how can the man above you kick you but the man on the ground can’t PLUS THINK OF FIGHTERS LIKE WANDERLEI SILVA OR MIRKO CRO COP i mean come on COULD BABE RUTH HIT A HOMERUN WITH OUT HIS BAT
- TIME LIMIT- i have a few “revolutionary” ideas
A)one ten minute round – ko tapout or decision, it’s easier to judge 1 round AND IF THE FIGHT IS BORING it wont drag on and on and on AND IN TEN MINUTES A REAL FIGHTER WILL FINISH YOU
B)FIVE 3 minute rounds in stead of THREE 3 minute rounds(this has the boxing therey and complete opposite of my last one)but more rounds means better decisions I DOUBT MATT HAMIL WOULD HAVE LOSE A 5 ROUND FIGHT TO MICHAELS BISPING just off common sense NO JUDGE CAN HAVE POSSIBLY GIVE BISPING 3 ROUNDS its way harded to judge a 3 rounder
by mma fan on Apr 26, 2008 2:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or we could use table ladder chair matches, or tag teams or triple threat. How about instead of Grand Prix we have a Royal Rumble and special guest refs.
Or go back to watching FAKE WWE and be happier.
by UKmmaBOY on Apr 26, 2008 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No clue why your calling Irvin a ‘gatekeeper’ he will beat Rashad easy. Bisping beat Rashad, that is if you didnt get automatic wins for taking someone down to the mat and doing absolutely nothing. Anyways Sandman should win this easy, then we can see a rematch thiago vs sandman.
by Khaos_Warrior on Apr 26, 2008 3:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Irvin is most likely gonna lose by decision. Rashad fights very conservatively, so it’s gonna be hard to knock him out.
by Pat on Apr 26, 2008 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good article. Man f*ck this Fitch guy. Rashad vs Irvin, Irvin FTW. Whats up with Thiago Alves? People don´t mention him a lot. He´s undefeated. Well, I guees as soon as he beats somebody he will become a fearsome dude.
by CANGRI on Apr 26, 2008 6:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering is anyone else loosing a good portion of their posts since the new format of mania has begun? I swear half my posts just vanish into internet space never to be seen again! Unless they suck that bad and are just not making it to threads…
by Da Monkey on Apr 26, 2008 6:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I’d say 1 of 6 threads that I post go lost into the internet somewhere hahah, the internet is stealing our posts!
by GodDamnMike on Apr 26, 2008 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dream lost it’s TV deal? that sucks, I had high hopes for dream but now they’re really f’ed up, didn’t see this news on mania or junkie.
by linx on Apr 26, 2008 6:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Solid article, especially for the first one, Ill be looking for them from here out.
by efisher on Apr 26, 2008 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Clearly the WWE fan doesn’t know the rules of the UFC. You cannot kick or knee a downed opponent to the head whether you are in the top or bottom position. Up kicks are legal to the head if your opponent is standing, but not if your opponent is downed (knees on the ground). If they are downed, up kicks are still legal, but not to the head. One rule that applies to both top and bottom position.
As far as a 10 minute round, PRIDE used a 10 minute round followed by a 5 minute round. Clearly the UFC likes how things are working.
by Hughes Your Daddy on Apr 26, 2008 2:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what happened to irvin going to 185? and why is sokoudjou the supposed no. 10 light heavy on sherdogs list on the undercard which you have to buy online…ufc take a note out of the elite playbook and at least show undercards for free online
by kmoney on Apr 26, 2008 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
cangri . thiago alves got beaten by spencer fisher and “that fitch guy”, and at one point tested positive for steroids. thats probly why people don’t talk much about him. and also “that fitch guy” has an unbeaten ufc record and is widely considered the number two welterweight in the game.
by Phil on Apr 27, 2008 2:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ok ok ok im the WWE fan, this is what happen when u try to be nice, so i’ll just say it…….ufc iz public transportation(the bus) and pride was the Bentley ….and any one who watches this n says its not proboly use to get beat up everyday in school , to this day people still say pride was NOT ONLY the best but there fight would kick the ufc fighters ass…..imagine dat (rampage,anderson silva,big nog hahaha i can go on and on) all champions in the ufc . so anyway 2 u fake mma fans enjoy the bus ride
by mma / wwe fan on Apr 27, 2008 11:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, GSP is afraid to be KO’ed…
That’s why his game plan is to take them down and control them now.
There’s nothing wrong with that anyways.
He knows his weaknesses, and his opponents (with the exception of Serra I), haven’t been able to exploit that.
Not too many fighters have the stand up and wrestling to counter the new GSP.
I see GSP reign on top is going to be a long one.
by MickDawg on Apr 27, 2008 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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