JJ, machida isn’t white, he’s asian decent. but you’re right with everything else you’ve said. although brazilians have a tremendeous national pride, I think the main reason for vitor not training with tito is because vitor and machida are on the same team.

Also, for everyone else, one can’t be RACIST when talking about NATIONALITY… Racism has to do with ethnicality not nationality.

Well, I guess now we know that Vitor is not a whore.

Quote from Paulo Filho: “I would never train with an American to fight with a Brazilian. I am not a slut or a prostitute.”

you mean like Tito’s girlfriend? lol I couldn’t resist, didn’t you find my analogy funny mike??

Well Randy help Wanderlei train for his fight with Chuck and still trains with him. He didn’t say no Wandy, I can’t help you train since your going to fight an American. He could have just said no because they were on the same team he didn’t have to mention nationality. Anyway, I said let a white American say what Vitor is saying and they would be called a racist. I didn’t say that Vitor and Lyoto weren’t white Brazilians genius.

Your implying that an american would be called a racist for saying that? Not a chance. Im not saying all Brazilians would reject a chance to train an america when fighting another Brazilian, but being Brazilian I know that we are very proud of our nationality and athletes. We like to help them out.
By the way, Wandy only started training with Randy after the Chuck fight, genius!!! And Machida is also white considereing his mothers side.

I agree with you, all this bullshit about being brazilian is played out. I would like to see Wanderlei vs Machida or Wandy at MW vs Anderson Silva. What are they gona say then they can’t fight each other cause there brazilian? And it’s true that if a guy like Chuck or Randy would say something like that, people would never let them live it down. With that said I hope Tito smashes overrated Lyoto ( the butterfly ) Machida.

JV, ajadoniz and jimmy_dean, you guys are playing the double standard victim card. Picture chuck or randy saying the same thing “I won’t train him to fight with another american”, that doesn’t sound racist, may sound a little ignorant but not racist. I’m not defending vitor for what he said, he should have just said that he wouldn’t train with him because they are on the same team, period, but there is no racism here. Paulo filho is another person who made the same type of remarks, they should have just said no without going into explaining why. Understand the meaning of racism, open a dictionary, there is no room for debate in this topic. Also, they were talking to the brazilian media, and as JJ has already mentioned here, we Brazilians are very patriotic when it comes to sport, any sport. Think of a sport not well known, put a brazilian that does well in it and you’ll have a stadium filled with ppl wearing yellow and green (ppl that may not even know much about the sport). He was being patriotic when he added that another reason aside from being in the same camp as machida is that he won’t help someone who isn’t brazilian beat a brazilian. Again, I’m not defending what he said, but I understand.

BTW, JJ, machida is asian, you can say mix also but he is more asian than he is white. The predominant gene is the one that is used to describe a person’s race. For example, you wouldn’t call obama a white person would you? He’s half black half white, but he is black.

Yeah, what if Randy said to Wanderlei:

“Hey man, I would help you train for your fight with Chuck but… I’m white, and Chuck is white… and we are both American too, so no, I can’t help you. If your fighting rampage or some other black guy then I will help you.”

Brandon, I still don’t get where you guys are getting this race stuff from? Is brazilian a race or nationality? Did vitor say he wasn’t going to train with tito because he’s white or because he’s american? Vitor was being ignorant for the remarks he made, but some ppl here are being just as ignorant for comparing apples to oranges (or race to nationality)…

LINX nowhere in my statement says the word racist. Your bringing that word into this conversation. Wouldnt you like to see Wandy vs Machida or Wandy at MW vs Anderson? What would you say if they didn’t want to, because of there race. And regardless of what you say people would be very offended if Chuck or Randy would make statements like that. I don’t care where a fighters from I just want to see some good fights.

Actually jimmy_dean is the one who brought the racist example if a white american had said the same thing, you were just agreeing with him. There are two things wrong with what you are saying.

1-Vitor said he’s not training an american to fight a brazilian, not that a brazilian wouldn’t fight another brazilian. Brazilians fight other brazilians all the time, and I’d love to see wandy vs machida or wandy vs the spider. This could happen in the near future but I hope he won’t drop to MW cause he’d get demolished by the spider. I actually want wandy to stay at LHW more than dropping to MW, there are just better fights at LHW.

2-You seem to think that I agree with what vitor said, when I actually don’t. I think what he said is very ignorant, but not racist (therefore the example of an american saying the same thing would also not fall under the “racist” ticket, making jimmy_dean’s big “IF” point not valid).

This country is freaking RETARDED. We cant even leave out the “Race Issue” on an mma Blog? Dude Vitor was not being racists. It might sound that way due to his poor english or the translation, but why are we even talking about Race on this site?

The fact of the matter is, above all, alot of these Brazilian fighters would not face each other because they have trained with each other and know each other for a long time. Some Brazilian fighters may face one another because they have no real connection, Machida vs Wanderlei Silva for example, and in the past Belfort vs Wandi, Arona vs the Ruas, Babalu vs Shogun and there are more examples. But there are some fighters that just wont fight each other because they are good friends and just happen to be Brazilian. You would never see Rampage and Tito fight each other for pretty much the same reasons, why doesnt everyone berrate them about that friendship.

Egads, you wouldn’t be a racist if you hated germans, you’d be a bigot. there is a difference. racists are bigots, but bigots are not necessarily racists.

just to clarify, vitor is not being a bigot here either, he’s being patriotic. He doesn’t hate Americans, he just won’t help someone train against:

1-his teammate
2-against another brazilian (which can be considered as being a bit ignorant)

Race War..Race War..LOL
You people should be ashamed of youselfs, for bringing a racial debate onto Mania..Shame on you all..John is right’..It is “retarded”!!

Stagger Lee: Props to you for being one of the few people on this site to not attack every single one of my posts. I dont ever see you hating on anyone, you just come on this site to exchange info and engage in constructive Debate. Kudos to you!

I agree, but I’m not going to keep quite when someone says that something is racist when it isn’t.

John: Thanks for the props..I come on this site daily to get my daily MMa fix and also to read other peoples opinions, and insight on the world of MMa..I have been coming to this site for about 9months. Not to many people have interesting posts but yours are always quality.I thinks “trolls” just attack you because your mr#1. And im glad that the #1 poster, has great insight, opinions(even if I disagree sometimes), and you always hook me up with news I hear for the 1st time..props to you for you unofficial work for Mania..I usually dont post that often because I dont have the time or patients to argue with some of the type of people that visit this site..That is why I usually dont talk shit or start anything up with most(not to say i dont sometimes)..plus im stubbern so that doesn’t help.lol..
But I have been posting more lately because it helps me get tierd..I work midnights and I visit Mania usually when I get home around 8am et..wow getting a little long. I think its about that time I roll a J, and go to sleep.