Ultimate Fighter 7: Episode 2 recap and discussion
by Jesse Holland on Apr 9, 2008 8:30 PM EDT
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Episode two of The Ultimate Fighter (TUF) 7 is underway and tonight's episode begins where last week's left off: With a boatload of beatdowns. Dana, Rampage and Forrest will evaluate the remaining 16 fighters and so far Rampage's method of evaluation is to flip through the fighter profiles and remark "There are some ugly-ass guys here."
Middleweight Elimination Fight #9: Dan Simmler (1-0) vs. Matthew Riddle (1-0)
Simmler comes from Serra's camp and admits his stand-up is limited at best. Apparently so is his personal grooming as Simmler rolls with a Leonidas-style beard that prompts a Gerard Butler comparison from Rampage.
Riddle declares that he's not a pussy and considers TUF 7 the Olympics of fighting.
Round 1: High kick by Riddle who then clinches and throws a knee. Riddle drops down and flips Simmler to the mat. Simmler escapes and Riddle lands a front kick. Low kick by Riddle. Simmler goes for a flying armbar and lands on his ass. They clinch and fall into the cage. Both guys look winded but Riddle is smiling and throwing upward knees. More cage resting and Simmler lands a knee of his own. Riddle ducks a shoot. In the tradition of Coach Serra and Coach Penn, Simmler's cornerman is shouting "Good job! Good job!" ad nauseam. Simmler looking for a single leg and gets dropped on his back. Simmler busy from the bottom but Riddle escapes and goes for an illegal stomp. Referee Herb Dean doesn't even bat an eyelash. The round ends with Riddle on top doing minor damage.
Round 2: Simmler walks straight into a brutal right and folds up like an aluminum beach chair. He hits the mat with a sickening thud and takes a few more shots from Riddle until Herb Dean can save him.
Matthew Riddle defeats Dan Simmler via knockout.
Riddle celebrates while Simmler begins moaning like a wounded animal causing the gym to fall silent. This very uncomfortable moment is followed by Simmler unclear of his surroundings. Rampage calls it the knockout of the century. Simmler takes a ride in the ambulance. Scary stuff.
Middleweight Elimination Fight #10: Luke Zachrich (7-1) vs. Patrick Schultz (7-1-1)
Zachrich doesn't like Schultz's haircut. Fortunately for him he lives in Ohio and not California. Shultz considers TUF the Ivy league of fighting. Olympics? Ivy League? There's gotta be a teleprompter somewhere in that gym.
Round 1: Schultz jabs and Zachrich throws a lazy front kick. Schultz catches it and drops him with a punch. Schultz scrambles to the top and lands a few shots. Zachrich escapes and gets to his feet. They clinch and Shultz takes himself down. Before he can regret it he reverses and escapes. They tie up and Zachrich flips a reversal of his own. Schultz on the bottom is starting to take punishment. Nasty elbows on top force Schultz to give up his back. Zachrich sinks in the rear naked choke and after a shift in positioning Schultz can do nothing but tap.
Luke Zachrich defeats Patrick Schultz via submission (rear naked choke)
Rampage complains that his assigned cornermen are jinxed since each contestant that gets any advice from them ends up going home.
Middleweight Elimination Fight #11: Erik Charles (10-5) vs. Tim Credeur (10-2)
Charles lets it be known that he wants to fight everyone in the house because he is one of the fastest guys there - if not THE fastest. Since Simmler predicted a first round triangle and got knocked into next season, I silently fear for the safety of Erik Charles.
Round 1: Credeur shoots and they go to the cage. Single leg gets Charles to the mat. Credeur on top and transitions into side control. Credeur spins into a textbook armbar and Charles taps. Charles was right - he was the fastest. Fastest at tapping out.
Tim Credeur defeats Erik Charles via submission (armbar)
Prior to the remaining televised fights, we get highlights (and lowlights) of four fights that took place during the second wave of the middleweight elimination tournament.
Brandon Sene (2-0) defeats Aaron Meisner (2-0) via submission (armbar)
Gerald Harris (6-2) defeats Mike Marello (7-1-1) via unanimous decision
Daniel Cramer (0-0) defeats Jeremiah Riggs (1-0) via unanimous decision
During the Cramer/Riggs fight, Riggs landed four illegal upkicks. Rampage asked aloud: "Were those illegal?" Dana responds: "They're not fighting in PRIDE."
Unfortunately for some fans, neither is anyone else.
Middleweight Elimination Fight #15: Nick Rossborough (8-3) vs Jesse Taylor (6-2)
Rossborough gets an unflattering comparison to Eminem which of course means we'll get treated to at least a dozen 8 Mile jokes during the fight.
Round 1: Rossborough swings, misses and gets taken down. Taylor smothers him against the cage. Rossborough escapes but Taylor is on him and takes him right back down. Taylor landing elbows and punches. Rossborough in trouble. Rossborough tries to roll out of danger and gets choked out for his efforts.
Jesse Taylor defeats Nick Rossborough via submission (rear naked choke)
Middleweight Elimination Fight #16: Josh Hall (3-2) vs. Matt Brown (9-6)
Brown is very upfront about his approach to the fight: No strategy except kill or die. Hopefully Brown never pursues a career in law enforcement.
Round 1: Hall shoots and backs him to the cage. Hall with a knee. Again. Brown returns the favor. Punches start flying. Hall eats a jab and then a low kick. Hall has seen enough and dumps Brown to the mat. Hall with strikes from the top. Brown trying to fight him off. Hall with shoulder strikes. Brown goes for a triangle and Hall gives him half a slam. Rinse and repeat. Brown gets it deeper. Hall rolls him over and forces his way out. Brown gets to his feet first and lands a couple of shots that daze the grounded Hall. Brown pouring it on with seconds to go. Hall gets a warning and can't recover. Brown finishes him off.
Matt Brown defeats Josh Hall via TKO (strikes)
Afterwards Dana commends the entire cast for proving him wrong. There were no pussies or posers in this group. The guys who didn't make it say goodbye and take the walk. We have our 16 contestants.
The announcer gets us ready for the remainder of the season by referring to it as a "baptism of blood". I thought that was the highlight of the night until I see Coach Griffin submit Coach Jackson via flying Spiderman web.
Stay tuned next week for more blood, backstabbing and bitchslapping. Ain't life (as a TUF contestant) grand?
See you then!
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God dammit i gotta wait till Saturday to see this. I really wanna see that brutal KO.
by Macho Bullshit on Apr 9, 2008 8:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the KO is already on youtube, not the full episode though
by linx on Apr 10, 2008 7:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there a link or can you tell me the title?
by Shadyone33 on Apr 10, 2008 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, the title is “The Ultimate Fighter Most Brutal Knockout” and the link is:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-05KeXa_cI8
it starts in the beginning of the second round.
by linx on Apr 10, 2008 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By far the worst knockout I have ever seen. I really felt sorry for the guy. I think everyone did.
by jimmy_dean on Apr 10, 2008 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
download TVUPlayer and watch it free right now on MMA – TV channel.
by matt on Apr 9, 2008 9:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow!! That was a devastating knockout!!!!! Kind of disturbing…
by Z on Apr 9, 2008 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah it was like watching Felony Fights on Youtube. Sick KO’ of Simmler, sincerely hope he’s ok.
by THORAZINE on Apr 10, 2008 3:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was a crazy ko. that guy had no idea what the hell happened.
by clint notestine on Apr 9, 2008 10:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Man I know that Charles guy, he’s Tamdan McCrory’s training partner, horrible matchup against a jui-jitsu expert, he’s just no good on the ground but he knows his stuff
by X on Apr 9, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
matthew riddle = beast …… one sick knock out
" rampage where am i "
by bringbackbabalu on Apr 9, 2008 11:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that moan was disgusting, felt bad for the poor guy he had no clue where he was. keep your hands up.
by brandon on Apr 10, 2008 12:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I cant wait to see what jackass gets kicked off next weekend.. and what he did to get kicked out so early.
Theres always one idiot!
by mike22 on Apr 10, 2008 1:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yea that KO was crazy…hope he’s okay…the 3 punches after he was out on the ground were even more brutal…herb needs to get his fat ass in shape and get the job done properly!!
by XxXFactor on Apr 10, 2008 1:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that KO was crazy…the 3 punches after he was knocked out on the ground were more brutal…herb needs to be quicker there!…i hope that guys okay!
by XxXFactor on Apr 10, 2008 1:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Right on. The dude was out after the first shot. There’s no way he should have been able to land three more after that before getting pulled off.
by PW on Apr 10, 2008 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the words of GSP “I’m not impressed with your performance”. It was a KO, nothing remarkable. The one guy got caught flush. It was however interesting and a bit disturbing to keep the camera on the poor downed guy. That’s what semi-conscious looks like fans. Not that pretty.
The extra punches after he dropped him is on Herb Dean but it all happened quickly and right at the start of round 2.
by Mamas Boy on Apr 10, 2008 4:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In general, I really like what they did this season with the “get off the bus, set your bags down and fight”. Hopefully this gets rid of any Gabe Rutegers. I guess those guys (Zuffa) really do value fan input.
No doubt some of the guys who lost are probably better than some of the guys who won. Hopefully the some of them sent home will be back.
by Mamas Boy on Apr 10, 2008 4:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fighting was not Gabe’s problem. He was once on a 10 fight winning streak and dominated the WEC. Hell he fought Guillard pretty well and that that guy is as menacing as they come.
by Gregg on Apr 10, 2008 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good episode I thought. Proves that Zuffa are constantly changing to suit their fans.
by UFC 85!!!!!!!!! on Apr 10, 2008 6:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AGAIN???
Can you please stop advertising for your very poor website? I’ve seen you post a link to in every single thread – its very annoying and your site sucks some serious monkey balls.
You have Rampage ranked ahead of BJ Penn? Chuck Liddell ahead of Urijah Faber? I don’t think I’ve ever seen Chuck on a Top 10 lb for lb list. Plus, Fedor is the only non-Zuffa fighter you have on your “World Rankings”. There is much more than the UFC out there, especially when it comes to fighters at lower weight classes. This is one of the first lb for lb lists I’ve seen that did not include Gilbert Melendez. Do you know who he is? Have you ever seen him fight? Have you ever left your parent’s basement?
by ViolentMike on Apr 10, 2008 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Riddler wins….In my best Mortal Combat Announcers voice!
by Da Monkey on Apr 10, 2008 6:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
From looking at the highlights of what’s in store for us this season, I have only one question. Why is trashing the house and destroying the property the norm with the contestants on this show? Guys ripping off the railing, banging their heads into the walls, making themselves look like animals, I don’t get it. I thought there would be a higher standard seeing how the UFC is trying to legitamize the sport and get rid of the drunking street fighters image.
I watched the contender episodes and saw no such nonsense and they lived under similar conditions.
When there are the occasional skirmishes in the house, I can understand that, and a little mischief never hurt anyone. What I saw on the highlight though, was just unacceptable behavior and would have me sending a few of those guys home no matter how good of a fighter they might be. Image means something in this sport. At least to me it does.
by Getrawbc on Apr 10, 2008 7:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya. I think it creates a bad image and it keeps getting worse. I don’t know if it would be a good idea to send people home in the middle of this season because you’ll have a “Why did they send him home and not all the other guys that did it”. Personally, I’d tell the guys before they enter the house that if they break anything by being idiots they’re outta there. At least this way, they’ve been given the heads up and nobody can say they’re being picked on.
by Shadyone33 on Apr 10, 2008 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is an EXCELLENT point. There was no desroying of the house on any season of The Contender. Sure Jaidon Codrington got in Brian Vera’s face last year, but he wasn’t going to hit him outside of the ring. That was just Jaidon’s type A personality – Jaidon being Jaidon.
The problem is that the UFC provides these young TUF kids with all the alcohol that they want, for free, while in the house. I do not think that there was free alcohol all over the contender house, but then again, they didn’t focus too much on the in-house fiascos. I believe the reason for that was because there were none.
I rarely watch boxing anymore, and I watch all the mma I can. If Dana and the UFC want to prove that thier sport is better than boxing, and thier athletes are not ‘wild animals’, ‘thugs’, ‘lunatics’… showing all of the footage of the fools not being able to contain thier alcohol and destroy property and fight inside the house isn’t going to do him any good.
by ViolentMike on Apr 10, 2008 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Violent Mike you were talking about someone who had posted a link to Aleksander Tats. Can you get that link again, I am interested in seeing what some of the others mean. I am aware of a lot of the because I love tats and the history/meaning behind them. I am interested in seeing his history. Some of them you can not quite make out. SO if you can repost that that would be great thanks….
by Da Monkey on Apr 10, 2008 7:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Da Monkey, I don’t remember exactly where I read it, but the link was provided to me from JOHN. JOHN, where you at? Do you still have that link? or remember what thread you posted it in?
by ViolentMike on Apr 10, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have to dig it up… I will re post it later on in the day on the latest MMA thread. Check back in later, I should be able to find it.
I do remember that it came from a Fedor interview on www.fightline.com
Its about 3-4 weeks old, so you will have to scroll through that sites archives. I will try to find it and re post it later today
You can actually rent the movie Eastern Promises, and it will tell you some of the meanings behind Aleks’s Tats. That movie gave a true account of what most of the tats mean…like the spider web….Stars on the Knees mean: I will not kneel to any man…
by john on Apr 10, 2008 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Fedor interview will tell you everything you want to know about his brother Aleksander and what his tatoos mean….ENJOY:
You mentioned that Aleksander Emelianenko, is the world Sambo champion, and that he is far more talented than you are. Do you exaggerate?
Fedor: Not at all. I’m not a genius athlete, like many people think. My brother has a phenomenal talent. But he lacks in work ethic. That’s why I’m higher in the ratings. My brother keeps going in and out of the top 10.
Do you two spar?
Fedor: No. We live in different cities. I live in Stary Oskol, and travel all over the world. Brother settled down in Petersburg. We rarely see each other.
They say Aleksander was even in prison?
Fedor: It’s true. They gave him five years, but released him before that. Three and a half years.
He was charged with a robbery?
Fedor: There were many episodes. Don’t want to bring up the past.
Is it an accomplishment to lose 3 years and be able to return to the ring?
Fedor: No. In his case it’s far from an accomplishment. Even though 3 and a half years really held back his growth as an athlete. And in the social life Aleksander became different. Prison really made its imprint. His outlook on life has changed, and it seems, not in a good way.
You and him are totally different?
Fedor: Yes. I’m sure those things could not have happened to me. During the time when Aleksander was looking for adventures on his rear end, I killed myself training. I had a goal – to reach something in sport.
If Fedor Emelianenko is very pleasant to speak to, his brother has a scary image. You can’t just come up to him. And even Fedor, who’s related to the man calls him only “Aleksander” In Russian Aleksander is an official name, and you usually wouldn’t call your brother like that. Sasha, or some other nickname is usually used to call someone close.
One time, Emelianenko junior shed the light on his tattoos in an interview, most of which he got as a reminder of places not so far away.
Fedor: Every tattoo has a place – he said – On my right arm I have a Church with 5 bells. Each bell is for a year of incarceration. Stars on the shoulders mean that the man lives according to his own principles. Stars on the knees say “I will never kneel”. Another tattoo, pirate, stands for article 167 of criminal law – robbery. I have many more tattoos on my body: Writing in Latin reads “Luck looks upon the Brave”, and in German “God with us”. Below the elbow – a head, half cat half human skull. It means: A man is a wolf to another man. This phrase is one of my principles. A web on the shoulder. God’s mother on my back, aphorisms on my feet.
by john on Apr 10, 2008 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks John, I’m sure Da Monkey will be happy to see!
by ViolentMike on Apr 10, 2008 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you both for getting me this info….Much obliged….
by DaMonkey on Apr 10, 2008 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really love how they started off this season, much more fight oriented vs. reality oriented. Just hoping the rest of the shows make me want to continue to watch unlike the last two seasons.
by Luppers on Apr 10, 2008 8:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a sick knockout, but what pissed me off was the lack of sportsmanship shown.I would have been happy too but you knock a guy out like that and he starts bleeding from the head and moaning, show some concern, he didnt even care.Hopefully Simmler will recover.All in all, sick knockout, this guys got an awesome future in the UFC!
by matthew on Apr 10, 2008 9:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
missed the episodes, anyone wanna tell me whats the flying Spiderman web thing about?
by rich on Apr 10, 2008 9:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh and I forgot…That was one brutal KO.
by Shadyone33 on Apr 10, 2008 9:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tim schooled that dude with a sick armbar.
by Billy Gamble on Apr 10, 2008 10:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Everybody is just talking about THE KO.
But who did everyone think was most impressive? I thought that Tim Credeur was by far the most talented guy that fought last night. In fact, he may very well be the most talented guy on the show. As far as ground work goes, he is #1 for sure. I am excited to see what his standup looks like. I would not be surprised to see Tim fighting in the finals, or at least earning himself a UFC contact.
by ViolentMike on Apr 10, 2008 12:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I dont know VM: Amir Sadollah looked nasty on the ground, he was going for every submission in the book. I expect his skills to be refined on the show and I expect him to make an impact. He has the right mind frame to do well.
At this point its all just speculation. In the early episodes of the season, I am always impressed by certain fighters, and as the season goes on those fighters start looking like crap and other fighters start emerging.
For example: Last season, I thought Dan Berera was going to make an impact….Boy was I wrong he isnt even in the UFC
by john on Apr 10, 2008 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know John. Amir does kind of seem like a goof ball though. In an interview with CB Dalloway, I read that even though Dana had the 16 fights up front, at least one or two poser’s still snuck into the house. Appearantly one is getting kicked off next week. I doubt its Amir. However, he has zero pro experience which has me worried when he faces someone like Credeur who is better than him at every aspect of the game, more experienced, and bigger. But of course, anything can happen and everyone loves rooting for the underdog. But he may be there more for the camera with his stupid hair cut, corny jokes, and awful dance moves.
by ViolentMike on Apr 10, 2008 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
VM: U may be right. What impressed me abot amir was his state of mind. He loved fighting in front of Rampage and Dana white (even though it was his first fight)….Manny fighters freeze up in that same situation. Him having no pro fights, and having that mentality is a great foundation. As we all know, the mental aspect is something that cant be taught, so at least Amir is one step in the right direction.
I missed CB’s interview, so this is the 1st time I hear anything about poser’s sneaking in the house. 16 fighters where sent home, many of which had heart and where promising, hopefully Dana identifies the poser’s early and replaces them with one of the real fighters that were eliminated.
You may be right about Amir: He does seem to love that camera…didnt he try to do the robot after winning his fight? That hair has to go…who knows, Shave that crap of his head, get him pissed off and he may look like a real fighter!
I was tired last night, after the brutal KO, I kinda dipped my way through the rest of the episode. I was nodding in and out for the rest of the episode so maybe thats why I am not so excited about Creuder. I will watch the replays for sure and get back to you.
by john on Apr 10, 2008 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IM SEEING TIM CREDEUR GOING ALL THE WAY IN THIS ONE. I HAVE SEEN HIS STANDUP IN PERSON ITS PRETTY DAMN GOOD. HE KNOCKED THIS GUY OUT IN THE FIRST ROUND OR SECOND ROUND OF ONE OF HIS FIGHTS. HE BARELY USED HIS JIU-JITSU IN THAT FIGHT.
by LILO420 on Apr 10, 2008 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tim credeur all the way ive seen his standup its pretty good
by LILO420 on Apr 10, 2008 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i cant wait until they pick teams, hopefully next week. then we can learn alot more about the fighters personalities and skill level. i wonder who’s gonna pick the good wresler guy that dana commented was boring and hated the lay and pray. i’ll bet he gets picked sooner than later because even though boring thats what wins fights sometimes. look at manville. i bad w/names so my pre-fav is the guy w/ the beard who fought in the last fight last night and dana said looked like an animal. by next week i’ll have all the name down.
by b.w. on Apr 10, 2008 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’m bad w/ typos as well. my previous post looks like a 2nd graders.
by b.w. on Apr 10, 2008 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they already showed the preview for rampage vs. forrest. cant wait =)
by kAiNOA PilAGO on Apr 10, 2008 8:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go watch the video again and watch Riddle’s face. He was concerned and knowing him from training with him in the past, he’s a really nice dude who wouldn’t purposely try to do more damage than necessary to win.
by Brandt on Apr 11, 2008 1:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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