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Irvin was right, it was a justified stoppage, houston went limp but mazzagati should have let him get a few more shots in. He did that in the karo fite as well. I’m sure the UFC will have a rematch to appease the fans b/c Houston is such a favorite. Personally I think he should drop down to middleweight b/c I dont think he does any weight cutting for his fights. For a stand up guy, his reach is not great, at MW he would favor much better.

Houston was out and it was a good call. Sometimes it takes one more punch to wake you up, as it did with Houston, and also Liddell when he fought Rampage. As you are out, the ref shoots in to stop the fight and sometimes it takes a few seconds and you are clocked with another punch that wakes you up, but sorry, it’s too late after that. If the ref doesn’t stop the fight when he sees the knock out and the guy gets pounded with 5 more shots, there will be bitching that that the fight wasn’t stopped early enough. The refs can’t win.

Ya he was out , and this guy has zero class.. He should have gave Irvin his props .. I hope Irvin got KTFO of the night.

That was a bad ass KO Alexander has no boxing skill he’s just a real strong guy.

It’s never easy to admit defeat, especially when it happens in that manner. But the stoppage was a good call and Houston was not defending himself, hence both arms out by his sides. A punch that can knock you out can also wake you up, so the last punch before the ref steps in could be the punch that “snaps” you out of it (so to speak) and then everybody is saying he was trying or getting ready to defend himself.

Karo on the other hand I would have let go just a tad longer.

I’m glad that Irvin won. I always root for him. Great punch! The stoppage was correct. I love what he said after the fight about fighting him in the parking lot, lol. Also my boy Anthony Johnson looked amazing!

Houston, got rocked, but it looked like he might have been able to get back into it. Right as it was stopped he was getting up. I still agree with the call and that fake by Irvin… NICE!

missed the bout. can’t find footage. any suggestions?

j

Houston Alexander came in and caught everyone by suprise. His style is easy to train for. He won’t win EVER again in the UFC. You heard it here first.

Great KO by Irvin. Alexander should have acknowledged it and not protested. That was lame…I understand how disappointed he must have been, but show some grace. His arms were ridgid and he was out. Ref had no choice.

B.S. stoppage, he wasnt out, nate diaz was getting beat way worse in his fight n it didnt get stopped, look at how that fight turned out. worst stoppage ive seen in awhile. bs bs bs bs

Karo on the other hand I would have let go just a tad longer.[/quote]

I agree it could have gone a bit longer Karo was still putting his hands up to defend himself.

I’d like to see a quick rematch. The stoppage was legit, but it was a one punch knockout. I’d like to see them fight again. It has the potential to be a fun fight as long as it last longer than 8 seconds.

Of course he’s going to recover quickly. That punch wouldn’t have KO’d most people, only people with fragile brain stems. It’s not Irvin or Mazzagatti’s fault Houston has a weak chin. Yeah, a part of me would like to have seen Mazzagatti let it go on just a bit longer, but the rest of me knows half a second longer and Houston’s recovery would have been LONG.

Alexander was done. He was looking to the side and had his arms sticking straight out to the sides (all most) and had his fists clinched. Kind of reminded me of an old Tank Abbot fight when he rocked this guy and the ref didnt step in as quickly, and that dude got all tensed up in the arms like Alexander was getting. It was also kind of lame when Alexander started to say that Nebraska was in the house, when in fact they were in Colorado. I mean I get what he was trying to say, but it didnt make too much sense.

alexander has no chin

Houston was out and it was a good call. Sometimes it takes one more punch to wake you up, as it did with Houston, and also Liddell when he fought Rampage. As you are out, the ref shoots in to stop the fight and sometimes it takes a few seconds and you are clocked with another punch that wakes you up, but sorry, it’s too late after that. If the ref doesn’t stop the fight when he sees the knock out and the guy gets pounded with 5 more shots, there will be bitching that that the fight wasn’t stopped early enough. The refs can’t win.

I agree completely agree.

I’ve even seen fighters knocked out on their way to the mat and then hitting their face to the mat jars them awake again. They may want to continue but they did get knocked out. I feel this to be the case with Karo and Houston. It stinks to lose that way for them I know, but they both got knocked flat, period the end.

The “My kids hit harder than that” comment was lame. He got ko’d and has very little skill. Go back to beating up guys in the minor leagues.

I hated Irvins parking lot comment almost as much.

Glad Karo lost too.

One year from now, most of you will no longer even remember the name Houston Alexander because it will be completly irrelevant.

I’m happily married, but I am man enough to admit that James Irvin was a handsome looking dude. Then he shaved his head and all of a sudden he is unrecognizable and resembles an alien more so than he does his former self.

Seriously, he went from “GQ magazine” to being a Josh Neer look alike.

I will bet money on it that if these 2 rematch again Irvin will end up just like Keith Jardine.

I think it was a good stop. Lost a lot of respect for Alexander after his comments. Saying that his kids hit harder than that is just disrespectful. Big words from a guy that didn’t even get a punch in…

I hope that the UFC doesn’t set up a rematch. That’s not fair to Irvin. Why should he wait around for Alexander? He should be moving up the ladder.

ViolentMike, why do u care if a guy shaves his head?? lol, if u care that much about looks watch wwe!!. Most fighters shave there heads b/c sweats builds up on it and it’s easier to wipe your head when u go to the corner after the round is over. Never thought i’d see the day when someone was worried about a guys haircut, HAHA

this may be off topic, but did i see randy in the octagon with gray after the fight. or was i seeing shit.

and am i the only one impressed with the pace gray and edgar were going. at that altitude, thats freaking awesome!

I had 2 work, does anyone have any sites I could see this fight and others ??

this may be off topic, but did i see randy in the octagon with gray after the fight. or was i seeing shit.

and am i the only one impressed with the pace gray and edgar were going. at that altitude, thats freaking awesome!

yeah Randy was in Grays corner…..’Why what is wrong with that??

Gray trains at ExtremeCouture, and Randy has been cornering his fights aswell as other fighters..ie-You will see Randy in Forrest’s corner when he fights Rampage.

ViolentMike, why do u care if a guy shaves his head?? lol, if u care that much about looks watch wwe!!. Most fighters shave there heads b/c sweats builds up on it and it’s easier to wipe your head when u go to the corner after the round is over. Never thought i’d see the day when someone was worried about a guys haircut, HAHA

I was thinking the exact same thing!!

I’m waiting for Houston Alexander in EliteXC :)

Houston, got rocked, but it looked like he might have been able to get back into it. Right as it was stopped he was getting up. I still agree with the call and that fake by Irvin… NICE!

I actually think he started to get up after mazzagati stopped it.

B.S. stoppage, he wasnt out, nate diaz was getting beat way worse in his fight n it didnt get stopped, look at how that fight turned out. worst stoppage ive seen in awhile. bs bs bs bs

Nate was moving Houston wasn’t.

It was a justified stoppage! The KO was actually #10 on sportcenters top 10 plays.

Was unders a lock or what?

The “My kids hit harder than that” comment was lame. He got ko’d and has very little skill. Go back to beating up guys in the minor leagues.

I hated Irvins parking lot comment almost as much.

Glad Karo lost too.

His kids must get whatever they want then!

Excellent KO James!!! Houston’s arms went straight out like a zombie bro… uuuuuuuuuhhh (Tank Abbot tribute)

this may be off topic, but did i see randy in the octagon with gray after the fight. or was i seeing shit.

and am i the only one impressed with the pace gray and edgar were going. at that altitude, thats freaking awesome!

I thought I saw Randy after the Karo fight as well, consoling Karo and trying to calm him down.
I could be seeing shit too though.

yeah Randy was in Grays corner…..’Why what is wrong with that??

Gray trains at ExtremeCouture, and Randy has been cornering his fights aswell as other fighters..ie-You will see Randy in Forrest’s corner when he fights Rampage.

shit nothing is wrong with that, i know gray trains at randy’s camp. i just thought dana wounldn’t let randy near an octagon ever again. even if it was to coach gray, everyone knows that dana holds a grudge.

yeah Randy was in Grays corner…..’Why what is wrong with that??

Gray trains at ExtremeCouture, and Randy has been cornering his fights aswell as other fighters..ie-You will see Randy in Forrest’s corner when he fights Rampage.

The cameraman made a mistake and caught Randy in the frame. It happened with Gray and also Karo.

The cameramen in the UFC have been told to avoid Randy Couture, and will not promote Xtreme Couture or Affliction.

It was hilarious to see Randy pose for a pic with Gray and other xtreme c guys, and make it in. They cut from it pretty quick.

I would have liked to see Houston and Karo both get pounded on a little longer.

does anyone remember the Marcus Davis fight where he got hurt real bad. The ref almost stepped in, but didn’t. And Davis went on to win the fight. When it comes to top level guys I think you need to a little less about fighter safety and a little more about a guy really getting finished.

How about Anthony Johnson? What a beast.

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Houston was out, the guy went limp just like Chuck did against Rampage. Chuck recovered quickly after the stoppage just like Houston. This was not controversial at all.

Nate was moving Houston wasn’t.

Houston should have gave props to irvin….he knocked his ass out!!!!!!

I’m waiting for Houston Alexander in EliteXC :)

Hmmmm Houston Vs Kimbo lol

Excellent KO James!!! Houston’s arms went straight out like a zombie bro… uuuuuuuuuhhh (Tank Abbot tribute)

Yep. Good stoppage.

Anthony Johnson opened some eyes last night. He’ll definitely need to face tougher competition to display more of his skills. I say put him against Hazlett or Wilson. Alves need to fight Koscheck. That would be a good fight.

Am I the only one in here that thought that fight was FIXED (diaz one too)?! Houston decided to throw his punch while Irvin’s was already on its way (nice superman by the way)! No blocking NOTHING.. He hits the ground still conscious and waits for the KO punch. After the fight, he’s smiling and representing Nebraska. Am I just pissed off cuz I bet on him? Somebody out there knows what I’m talking about. Please explain this or tell me I’m crazy!

LOL… Houston WAS OUT!!!! what do you think he was doing with his arms out to the side? Trying to backstroke?

Am I the only one in here that thought that fight was FIXED (diaz one too)?! tell me I’m crazy!

You are crazy.

Great KO by the Sandman. I called that one when most everyone else was picking Alexander. IMO very sloppy defense by Houston not to mention his weak chin. Would like to see a rematch ASAP. I would also like to see more sportsmanship between fighters. His kids hit harder? After getting knocked out, that was just dumb to say. Should have shown more respect. Take it to the parking lot? Have some class James. You just won the fight in spectacular fashion. Congrats!

Houston Alexander came in and caught everyone by suprise. His style is easy to train for. He won’t win EVER again in the UFC. You heard it here first.

LOL Although I don’t disagree with you, you’re far from the first to make that prediction lol.

Am I the only one in here that thought that fight was FIXED (diaz one too)?! Houston decided to throw his punch while Irvin’s was already on its way (nice superman by the way)! No blocking NOTHING.. He hits the ground still conscious and waits for the KO punch. After the fight, he’s smiling and representing Nebraska. Am I just pissed off cuz I bet on him? Somebody out there knows what I’m talking about. Please explain this or tell me I’m crazy!

LOL! Houston threw a punch a split-second after Irvin threw his. You think he had time to “decide” to throw his punch? It’s just reflexes at that speed, and Irvin’s reflexes was a little faster.

I love it when people cry “FIX” over a fight where the fighter they were cheering against wins.

Anthony Johnson opened some eyes last night. He’ll definitely need to face tougher competition to display more of his skills. I say put him against Hazlett or Wilson. Alves need to fight Koscheck. That would be a good fight.

I’d like to see him against Marcus Davis. Both of them are stand up guys but Davis has some sneaky submissions. I’ll say though Johnson was an absolute animal. I was very impressed.

LOL! Houston threw a punch a split-second after Irvin threw his. You think he had time to “decide” to throw his punch? It’s just reflexes at that speed, and Irvin’s reflexes was a little faster.

I love it when people cry “FIX” over a fight where the fighter they were cheering against wins.

ok.. good point. what about the diaz fight? u didn’t think that was fishy? i’m always a diaz fan! But I think Kurt is too good to dive into that triangle after the beating he layed on Nate. KP’s head and arm was waiting for a good amount of seconds for diaz legs to come over. What about that 1 huh?

Houton got KTFO’d. There’s nothing to debate – when you get your face smashed in, and drop lifeless to the mat with your arms at your sides, what do you think’s gonna happen? The ref isn’t going to wait for the other guy to rip your face apart if you’re on your back not defending yourself.

Good to see Irvin get through a fight without something on him breaking too.

missed the bout. can’t find footage. any suggestions?

j

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Slice v Alexander in 09, only on eliteXC!

B.S. stoppage, he wasnt out, nate diaz was getting beat way worse in his fight n it didnt get stopped, look at how that fight turned out. worst stoppage ive seen in awhile. bs bs bs bs

You have got to be kidding me.You need to watch the fight again.The guy was stiff with his arms straight up in the air.That last punch he took was flush and hard.You are one of those people that just like to argue aren’t you.

I was really getting fed up with fighters getting KO’ed and then complaining about it. Houston Alexander looked and sounded like a real idiot after he got KO and was trying to argue about it (Kind of like Maynard did when he KO himself)

Flash Knockouts, happen very quick, and then a fighter regains consciousness but that doesnt mean that a fighter was not knocked out. Also these idiot fighters argue about it sound really dumb because its not really something you can argue since when you get KO’ed you really dont remember it anyway.

As for fans, complaining about fights stopping prematurely, grow up! Just cause your favorite fighter looses, it doesnt mean that it wasn’t a justified stoppage. Truth be told, Knockouts are a tough thing to judge and referee’s do the best that they can. Also we may see it a certain way, but referees have the best seat in the house and sometimes we dont get to see the fighters eyes rolling in the back of their heads or their bodies going limp. The referees do get to see those things.

A flask KO is still a KO, you do not get to recover from that. you are either Knocked out or you arent.

I am surprised that more people aren’t complaining about Ken ny Florians knees to the back of Joe’s head. the referee screamed at Kenny like 10 times to stop hitting in the back of the head and Kenny kept doing it, and all the referee did was slap him with a warning? Thats bad refereeing! Brock lost a point for a lot less than that. It wouldnt have mattered because the fight did not go to a decision, but why wasn’t Joe given some time to regain his composure? getting hit in the back of the head is no Joke, it causes you to almost always loose your equilibrium. A good referee would have deducted a point and given Joe up to 5 minutes to regain his composure.

Why didnt Lauzon get those opportunities?

That is the refereeing that we should be complaining about, not your favorite fighters getting Ko’ed!

ok.. good point. what about the diaz fight? u didn’t think that was fishy? i’m always a diaz fan! But I think Kurt is too good to dive into that triangle after the beating he layed on Nate. KP’s head and arm was waiting for a good amount of seconds for diaz legs to come over. What about that 1 huh?

ok.. good point. what about the diaz fight? u didn’t think that was fishy? i’m always a diaz fan! But I think Kurt is too good to dive into that triangle after the beating he layed on Nate. KP’s head and arm was waiting for a good amount of seconds for diaz legs to come over. What about that 1 huh?actually jesse holland called this one before the fight. Read his predictions: Pellegrino may keep it standing long enough to feel things out, but no question this fight will be decided by grappling. As we’ve seen, Diaz can fight from his back and fight well, but Pellegrino will be too strong and too busy to take any damage on top. Having said that, Kurt needs to stay out of the triangle and force Diaz to make a mistake in positioning.

they were both out of line in their comments after the fight.

Mazzagatti is an excellent referee. People need to stop being silly and realize that they were both excellent stoppages. Karo buckled, his legs went limp and he collapsed to the canvas. Just because the next couple shots woke him up doesn’t mean it was a bad stoppage, he was still knocked out for that one second which is long enough. This isn’t boxing, when a guy gets hurt the fight is over.

I couldn’t believe how ignorant Alexander was after the fight, Joe put him right on the spot and he was still saying he was conscious even while he was in outer space and his arms stiff and straight in the air. He got KTFO twice and argued it both times, get a grip on reality Houston.

This is what Houston said after his loss to Thiago Silva:

“I’ve had harder fights in the gym than what I had in the ring that day.”

This is what he said last night after his loss to James Irvin:

“My kids have hit me harder than that”.

Now imagine you didn’t know the outcomes of those fights but you read the quotes above, wouldn’t you think he won the fights and was just being arrogant? Sadly they are just words coming from a man who lost both times but couldn’t own up to it and give respect to another man who beat him fair.

Houston, you gotta stop making lame excuses when you lose and start giving props to those who geniunely kick your ass. You might learn a thing or two.

BTW, glad to hear your daughters have K you TFO.

I actually think he started to get up after mazzagati stopped it.

Ya, that is what I thought. On the replay it looked like H.A. was coming back pretty strong.

when i was watching this. me & my cousin were just agreeing that a Ceaser Gracie brown belt is better than a hermes franca black belt.that was just before Joe Rogan said the same thing. Nate is just that damn good.IMO Kurt under estimated Nate in the 2nd after beating the hell out of him in the 1st.
no fix here just great Bjj

ok.. good point. what about the diaz fight? u didn’t think that was fishy? i’m always a diaz fan! But I think Kurt is too good to dive into that triangle after the beating he layed on Nate. KP’s head and arm was waiting for a good amount of seconds for diaz legs to come over. What about that 1 huh?

actually jesse holland called this one before the fight. Read his predictions: Pellegrino may keep it standing long enough to feel things out, but no question this fight will be decided by grappling. As we’ve seen, Diaz can fight from his back and fight well, but Pellegrino will be too strong and too busy to take any damage on top. Having said that, Kurt needs to stay out of the triangle and force Diaz to make a mistake in positioning.

thats dead on. ok, didn’t mean to sound like a whiny little bitch but KP & HouA just shocked the hell out of me, the way it ended. thats all.

DIAZ came back hard & deserves all the credit. New respect for KP (i guess he just slipped). Loss all respect for Irvin and Houston for not acting right (although it was a mean looking KO).

But I think Kurt is too good to dive into that triangle after the beating he layed on Nate.
When Kurt elevated him, Nate pushed off the fence just enough to put Kurt off balance and I think that tiny shove with Nate’s foot was enough to set up the sub. I wish there was a gif. of it but rewatch the fight and check it out, it a small move but its there.

I was really getting fed up with fighters getting KO’ed and then complaining about it. Houston Alexander looked and sounded like a real idiot after he got KO and was trying to argue about it (Kind of like Maynard did when he KO himself)

Flash Knockouts, happen very quick, and then a fighter regains consciousness but that doesnt mean that a fighter was not knocked out. Also these idiot fighters argue about it sound really dumb because its not really something you can argue since when you get KO’ed you really dont remember it anyway.

As for fans, complaining about fights stopping prematurely, grow up! Just cause your favorite fighter looses, it doesnt mean that it wasn’t a justified stoppage. Truth be told, Knockouts are a tough thing to judge and referee’s do the best that they can. Also we may see it a certain way, but referees have the best seat in the house and sometimes we dont get to see the fighters eyes rolling in the back of their heads or their bodies going limp. The referees do get to see those things.

A flask KO is still a KO, you do not get to recover from that. you are either Knocked out or you arent.

I am surprised that more people aren’t complaining about Ken ny Florians knees to the back of Joe’s head. the referee screamed at Kenny like 10 times to stop hitting in the back of the head and Kenny kept doing it, and all the referee did was slap him with a warning? Thats bad refereeing! Brock lost a point for a lot less than that. It wouldnt have mattered because the fight did not go to a decision, but why wasn’t Joe given some time to regain his composure? getting hit in the back of the head is no Joke, it causes you to almost always loose your equilibrium. A good referee would have deducted a point and given Joe up to 5 minutes to regain his composure.

Why didnt Lauzon get those opportunities?

That is the refereeing that we should be complaining about, not your favorite fighters getting Ko’ed!

john, i wanted joe to win too but ken won fair and square. lol.. plus you kind of contradicted yourself about the grow up stop complaining about the refs thing yet the ref shouldve deducted a point on ken. the elbows to the head were from 1 sequence and they usually give warnings the first time around. ken probably didn’t hear the ref and they DID stand up. they ended up in the same position later and ken stopped with the elbows. IMO same outcome either way. Just like the Karo fight whether it stopped then or 5 seconds later.

“Am I the only one in here that thought that fight was FIXED (diaz one too)?! tell me I’m crazy!”

You are karazy meyn!!!

Karo’s fight was stopped to early – he did drop to the ground but he was fully conscious and had his arms covering his face – thiago did not get any more hits in after the knee

no doubt karo wouldve been able to recover on the ground vs alves

sucks for him..thatll push his title shot out for another couple years

I was really getting fed up with fighters getting KO’ed and then complaining about it. Houston Alexander looked and sounded like a real idiot after he got KO and was trying to argue about it (Kind of like Maynard did when he KO himself)

Flash Knockouts, happen very quick, and then a fighter regains consciousness but that doesnt mean that a fighter was not knocked out. Also these idiot fighters argue about it sound really dumb because its not really something you can argue since when you get KO’ed you really dont remember it anyway.

As for fans, complaining about fights stopping prematurely, grow up! Just cause your favorite fighter looses, it doesnt mean that it wasn’t a justified stoppage. Truth be told, Knockouts are a tough thing to judge and referee’s do the best that they can. Also we may see it a certain way, but referees have the best seat in the house and sometimes we dont get to see the fighters eyes rolling in the back of their heads or their bodies going limp. The referees do get to see those things.

A flask KO is still a KO, you do not get to recover from that. you are either Knocked out or you arent.

I am surprised that more people aren’t complaining about Ken ny Florians knees to the back of Joe’s head. the referee screamed at Kenny like 10 times to stop hitting in the back of the head and Kenny kept doing it, and all the referee did was slap him with a warning? Thats bad refereeing! Brock lost a point for a lot less than that. It wouldnt have mattered because the fight did not go to a decision, but why wasn’t Joe given some time to regain his composure? getting hit in the back of the head is no Joke, it causes you to almost always loose your equilibrium. A good referee would have deducted a point and given Joe up to 5 minutes to regain his composure.

Why didnt Lauzon get those opportunities?

That is the refereeing that we should be complaining about, not your favorite fighters getting Ko’ed!

Very well said John. I agree with your comments 100%

john, i wanted joe to win too but ken won fair and square. lol.. plus you kind of contradicted yourself about the grow up stop complaining about the refs thing yet the ref shouldve deducted a point on ken. the elbows to the head were from 1 sequence and they usually give warnings the first time around. ken probably didn’t hear the ref and they DID stand up. they ended up in the same position later and ken stopped with the elbows. IMO same outcome either way. Just like the Karo fight whether it stopped then or 5 seconds later.

Why dont you read every word of my post before responding. 1 of the 1st things I said about the subject was that:

" It wouldnt have mattered because the fight did not go to a decision".

I also stated that I was a fan of both fighters so I did not really mind the outcome. My post was aimed at the discrepancy of the way fights were judged. Not that Kenny shouldnt have won the fight! Y did Lesnar (who I am not even a fan of) loose a point for doing much less? Lesnar’s inexperience and jitters
give him an excuse, yet he was still deducted a point. Florian is seasoned and fighs under control…and he blasted Joe like 10 times, you cant tell me he didnt hear it because Kenny never stooped. The referee had to stop him….All I was trying to point out was that what Kenny did IMO was much worse then what Brock Lesner did and I was just stating my displeasure for the discrepancy in which fights are refereed.

Also, why didnt joe get any recovery time? Every time I have seen an illegal blow land the hurt fighter gets asked and is often incouraged to take a couple minutes to shake it off, and rules state that a fighter has up to 5 minutes to recover from a illegal blow….So why was Joe not given that same opportunity?

I am not saying that Florian didnt deserve to win that fight. I just dont like fights not all being refereed the same way, and why shouldnt I. For all I know, those shots didnt even hurt Lauzon and they had no impact on the fight, but If they were than we got jipped out of a better fight for our main event. Lauzon wasn;t even interviewed afterwards so I have no idea. But if the fight was refereed the same way they usually are, when you ask a fighter if he needs time to recoup, I would know for sure and I wouldn’t even have to be thinking about this!

Actually Read my stuff before you attack me next time!

Wow! That shit was almost unbelievable when i was first was watchin it, who ever would’ve thought James Irvin would knock out Houston Alexander in 8 seconds tying the UFC record for fastest Knock Out! Houston was been exposed now, its a fact he has a glass chin.

Why dont you read every word of my post before responding. 1 of the 1st things I said about the subject was that:

" It wouldnt have mattered because the fight did not go to a decision".

I also stated that I was a fan of both fighters so I did not really mind the outcome. My post was aimed at the discrepancy of the way fights were judged. Not that Kenny shouldnt have won the fight! Y did Lesnar (who I am not even a fan of) loose a point for doing much less? Lesnar’s inexperience and jitters
give him an excuse, yet he was still deducted a point. Florian is seasoned and fighs under control…and he blasted Joe like 10 times, you cant tell me he didnt hear it because Kenny never stooped. The referee had to stop him….All I was trying to point out was that what Kenny did IMO was much worse then what Brock Lesner did and I was just stating my displeasure for the discrepancy in which fights are refereed.
Also, why didnt joe get any recovery time? Every time I have seen an illegal blow land the hurt fighter gets asked and is often incouraged to take a couple minutes to shake it off, and rules state that a fighter has up to 5 minutes to recover from a illegal blow….So why was Joe not given that same opportunity?
I am not saying that Florian didnt deserve to win that fight. I just dont like fights not all being refereed the same way, and why shouldnt I. For all I know, those shots didnt even hurt Lauzon and they had no impact on the fight, but If they were than we got jipped out of a better fight for our main event. Lauzon wasn;t even interviewed afterwards so I have no idea. But if the fight was refereed the same way they usually are, when you ask a fighter if he needs time to recoup, I would know for sure and I wouldn’t even have to be thinking about this!

Actually Read my stuff before you attack me next time!

Well first off most of the elbows Kenny landed were legal. Only one or two found the back of Joes head. Most of the elbows that hit Joe in the back of the head were caused by Joe pulling his head in. This made the elbows that would have struck the top of his head hit the back. Just look back on the Jroc and War machine fight. Same elbows from the bottom and they are legal. He was warned for the straying blows and I am sure he didnt use them the next time because he was worried about missing and losing a point.

No as to why a ref did something in one fight and not another who knows. Each ref is different each night and fight is different. It all depends how he was seeing it at that moment.

I like the fact that James called out Thiago Silva. That would be a good fight to add to the Chuck vs Rashad event. Remember Thiago and Rashad were supposed to fight.

I am not even going to argue with someone who opens up his statement with most of the elbows Kenny landed was legal.

The back of his head was busted open, but according to you that doesn’t matter. Luckily the NSAC’s oppinion is all that really matters and I searched and read their whole interpretation of the rule and it clearly stated that what Kenny did to Joe at the beginning of the fight WAS NOT LEGAL!

Nuff Said!

Houston GLASS JAW Alexander!!!!!!

Its not even so much that he has a glass jaw, he just doest have a good defense lol. All he is is a muscled up stiff brawler who believes his own hype! He sounded like an idiot saying “Nebraska is still in the house!”…then I think peopled boo’d because by then they saw the replay 6 times and realized he was KO’d….I actually expected Irvin to win this one, he has good punching power…Its funny now to think that people were calling for Wanderlei or Chuck to fight Alexander lol….one shot from eiher of those guys and Houston would be lights out!!! Imagine if Wanderlei headkicked him? I just thinkn houston doesnt take hits very well…he gets wobbled and eventually recovers, but it seems like it doesnt take much to rock him, like he is off balance, almost as if he has a glass jaw and is top heavy lol

(too long to repost) but ey John, I’m not “attacking” you. Take it easy. I read your post. You’re mad about the ref’s inconsistencies: – point deductions – recovery time compared to other instances you sited sure, ok. All I’m saying is, who really cares ? Joe signaled to the ref about the elbows and wanted a penalty and didn’t get it. 1st time is a warning. He wasn’t complaining about time to recover. He was good to go after they stood up. And like you said, the fight ended decisively so, it wouldn’t have mattered anyway! So really… whats to be pissed off about? being jipped for a better main event?! cmon man, it was a great fight. I think you would’ve enjoyed the fight more if you got out of being a referee auditor mode and shifted your focus on the fighters going at it. Pack a bowl and calmn down dude.

John I think it was elbows to the head not knees, and the elbows were to the top of the head witch is allowed, thats why Lauzon didn’t get any recovery time. And I agree with you 100% on the Brock Lesnar deal, now that was bullshit.

Seriously WTF is up with Houston Alexander these days? Can’t even fight properly just seems like he lost the will to fight..

John, the thing with Kill-Flo’s elbows, according to Rogan, is that they don’t want fighters getting hit in that soft area in the back of the head just below the base of the skull where the classic chili bowl hair-cut starts or stops. There is unprotected spinal cord there, and hitting it can potentially do serious permanent damage. Kenny was probably getting pretty close to the North 40, but I don’t think he hit the actual area that is meant to be off limits.

Irvin is a better striker he would have won no matter what, they probably wont ever rematch, HOUSTON ALEXANDER Has no skill hes just built, he wont win any more Ufc fights hes gone.

Well i have read quite a few comments on this so called controversy…And well i think the stop was good, as everyone stated already Alexander’s arms were stiff he wasn’t loooking ahead at all and he was clearly out and all that was going to happen was some brain damage, Alexander has no ground game how did he expect to get Irvin off if he tried ? And for those of you who even dared try to reference the kenflo fight are you serious ? Joe Lau had his hands up even though that was useless and theres the weight factor, You got skinny lean fast guys and then you got monsters like Irvin and Alexander the damage would be way more severe come on ? Alexander is overated and lost alot of my respect, not that it matters but the guy deserved to get his freakin nugget smashed in for what he said, Take it like a man , you got knocked the f*** out man….Go home and train with your kids since they hit harder and hope you win again…

i would hate to fight alexanders son.since he hits harder than irvin.so your saying a kid would k.o.you or do you have a glass jaw.i hate gus who talk alot of trash right after they get k.o.ed.personaly if you never been k.o.ed you havent been in a fight.take it like a man,sho some class.or should i say glass.haha

Alexander was done. He was looking to the side and had his arms sticking straight out to the sides (all most) and had his fists clinched. Kind of reminded me of an old Tank Abbot fight when he rocked this guy and the ref didnt step in as quickly, and that dude got all tensed up in the arms like Alexander was getting. It was also kind of lame when Alexander started to say that Nebraska was in the house, when in fact they were in Colorado. I mean I get what he was trying to say, but it didnt make too much sense.

A Big 12 NCAA rivalry. Cornhuskers vs. Buffalos.

I like the fact that James called out Thiago Silva. That would be a good fight to add to the Chuck vs Rashad event. Remember Thiago and Rashad were supposed to fight.

Isn’t Thiago scheduled in May? Maybe in Aug? Rashed fight would’ve been great.

I think it was a good stop. Lost a lot of respect for Alexander after his comments. Saying that his kids hit harder than that is just disrespectful. Big words from a guy that didn’t even get a punch in…

I hope that the UFC doesn’t set up a rematch. That’s not fair to Irvin. Why should he wait around for Alexander? He should be moving up the ladder.

Tuf shit HOuston. I agree. Irvin and UTC Rocks!! Roseville!!!

I would have liked to see Houston and Karo both get pounded on a little longer.

does anyone remember the Marcus Davis fight where he got hurt real bad. The ref almost stepped in, but didn’t. And Davis went on to win the fight. When it comes to top level guys I think you need to a little less about fighter safety and a little more about a guy really getting finished.

How about Anthony Johnson? What a beast.

i remember the Davis fight.. that was against Paul Taylor if i recall correctly. it was pretty darn close but the difference was that Davis was covering up…Houston didn’t. sigh poor guy.

Clean KO..no doubt and no excuses. Irvin aint no joke guys.

NEWS FLASH!!! At the Sac Kings vs Clippers game at Arco Arena, Sac, CA, its Olympics Night. Kurt Angle was present and was interviewed. He mentioned that he was fighting against Couture sometime in the fall, and was not allowed yet to mention which promotion!!!!!!!!!!!

NEWS FLASH!!! At the Sac Kings vs Clippers game at Arco Arena, Sac, CA, its Olympics Night. Kurt Angle was present and was interviewed. He mentioned that he was fighting against Couture sometime in the fall, and was not allowed yet to mention which promotion!!!!!!!!!!!

Its only going to be a grappling match.

It’s never easy to admit defeat, especially when it happens in that manner. But the stoppage was a good call and Houston was not defending himself, hence both arms out by his sides. A punch that can knock you out can also wake you up, so the last punch before the ref steps in could be the punch that “snaps” you out of it (so to speak) and then everybody is saying he was trying or getting ready to defend himself.

Karo on the other hand I would have let go just a tad longer.

When fighters aren’t entirely out, but in that dazed blacking out stage, they have a difficult time figuring their goose is cooked. Chuck Liddell and many other fighters have that same reaction.

The fact that it was 8 seconds into the fight and faster KO in UFC History, makes it a hard pill to swallow. I’m OK with Houston’s reaction, it’s hard from his perspective.

Excellent K.O.! Alexander was not a gracious loser and the ignorant crowd ruined what should have been a great moment.

Good job, Irvin!

Hey everybody, check youtube for a show called T.O.P. Army fighter coming on the military channel. Looks interesting. Oh and Houston, we all know now that you’re from Nebraska now, please quit f ing talking about it.

Houston… you have a problem.

John, the thing with Kill-Flo’s elbows, according to Rogan, is that they don’t want fighters getting hit in that soft area in the back of the head just below the base of the skull where the classic chili bowl hair-cut starts or stops. There is unprotected spinal cord there, and hitting it can potentially do serious permanent damage. Kenny was probably getting pretty close to the North 40, but I don’t think he hit the actual area that is meant to be off limits.

PW: forget what ZRogan said, cause all he does is cover for the UFC anyway. I spent half my day searching for NSAC’s interpretation of the rule and I promise you that those elbows were far from legal!

The rules stated 2 things:

1) Downward elbows(delivered vertically from an up and down motion) are Illegal

2) Strikes to the back of the head are ILLEGAL! This includes, strikes to the base of the spine AS WELL AS.,…. In the back of the head (The center along with like a 3 inch circumfrance or something.

It doesnt really matter it was a decent fight, that Kenny looked like he would have won anyway so its whatever, just please dont try to time me that What Florian did was legal.

As for the lack of recovery time, we will never know what impact they had on JOe if any at all, so this is just speculation, but watching the fight, the look that Joe had in his eyes after taking those elbows, I dont know if he looked the same.

He looked creepier than usual.

Enough on this debate. The only reason I even started it is because I had to sit on this site and sift through about a million posts on how the fights were stopped prematurely, and I did not think that was the case. I just thought it was weird that everyone was complainig about Karo and Houston not being KO, when they CLEARLY WERE OUT, when I thought the worse refereeing took place in the main event.

Maybe we should just have fighter Fight To the DEATH, that way we wont have to worry about early sto0ppages and stuff like that!

I’m glad that Irvin won. I always root for him. Great punch! The stoppage was correct. I love what he said after the fight about fighting him in the parking lot, lol. Also my boy Anthony Johnson looked amazing!

I like what he said too and though alot of people got on him for saying that, I remember when Houston Alexander beat Keith Jardine and disrespected him after the fight almost doing a war dance around him and pointing to him. What goes around comes around. I would only have wished to see them go again in the parking lot – no gloves, rules or ref. Lucky for Alexander they didn’t or Irvin would have killed him. I always root for him too.

Ya think the UFC should bring back Houston? He looked like a chump in his last fight gettin beat on the ground like he did…and then a record tying KO….and then a brutal interview after gettin his ass whooped….“Nebraska’s still in the building” this guy has worse interviews then Chuck!

I agree with the comment about his arms being too short…he prolly couldn’t even scratch his own head after that fight….
they need to let that fool go….way too much hype!

I think his parking lot comment was justified. The guy was getting booed after putting on an outstanding performance. I applaud him for being as level headed as he was. He surely didn’t mean he wanted to take it to the parking lot, only that he would welcome a chance to do it again.
As for J-Lau, can anyone say karma? Didn’t he beat Cole Miller on TUF with a vicious illegal blow to the back of the head that knocked Cole silly?

Im a huge Alexander fan but i agree with Mazagatti. Hope to see Houston still in the UFC