Gary Shaw is probably going to throw a bunch of cash at Tito…

If he does get Tito, he will probably try to set-up a fight between Tito and Frank Shamrock..

Drama.

XC vs UFC

Feijao vs Forrest

Kimbo/BigFoot vs Frank Mir or AA

Frank Shamrock vs Silva or Franklin

Jake Shields vs GSP

Melendez vs BJ

Gray Shaw vs Dana White

hey gary, here’s a quarter, go call yourself a wahhhbulance

shut up dana is the man

XC vs UFC

Feijao vs Forrest

Kimbo/BigFoot vs Frank Mir or AA

Frank Shamrock vs Silva or Franklin

Jake Shields vs GSP

Melendez vs BJ

Gray Shaw vs Dana White

LOL……..

put Brock Lesnar .vs. Kimbo
And maybe have Mauro Renallo .vs. Joe Rogan and Goldberg.vs.Goldberge as undercard bouts, and you would have a pretty good card..

Ask Gary Shaw about how Gary Turner was treated. He was taken off a HW fight in Cage Rage he had scheduled, and he found out about it on the internet! Np call from the organization!

Shaw’s facts are wrong about the Spike deal. Spike did NOT bail them out of $35 mill debt. The UFC paid for the production of TUF1, and Spike agreed to air it!

Shaw is your prototypical goomba promoter who’s trying to make a buck in MMA. I’d take Dana over Shaw ANY DAY!

The UFC is a business. Just because Tito Ortiz and Dana have a conflict of personality and an attitude and Randy is jelous that Fedor was offered more money than him doesn’t credit statements that Dana doesn’t care about his fighters. Dana is doing everything Im sure to keep UFC exciting for us, and how many of you make $30,000-500,000 a night 3-5 times a year.

The business needs profit to grow. Thats how we have UFC in Canada next month. Dana does a great job IMO and I dont think people really care about Gary Shaw anyway. Gary is prob praying some of these ufc guys get mad and go fight for him.

Gary Shaw is a douche…Dana White is THAT dude.

I dont think Gary said anything wrong. Half the stuff he said was True. Now, I dont know the UFC financial business, and I am not going to pretend that I do, so I cant comment on SPIKE bailing them out of Debt, but everything else he said was accurate.

I am happy Shaw gave props to the Fertita’s because they deserve it. !st time Gary actually sounded intelligent.

LOL……..

put Brock Lesnar .vs. Kimbo
And maybe have Mauro Renallo .vs. Joe Rogan and Goldberg.vs.Goldberge as undercard bouts, and you would have a pretty good card..

hehehehehehehehe

oh man. these two are like guidos at a nightclub. when will this end?

XC vs UFC

Feijao vs Forrest

Kimbo/BigFoot vs Frank Mir or AA

Frank Shamrock vs Silva or Franklin

Jake Shields vs GSP

Melendez vs BJ

Gray Shaw vs Dana White

No…Has to be Kimbo Vs Lesnar :)

Gary is a looser period..I’ll fight him for a loonie Im 28 170 Lbs 0-0 bjj blue belt Toronto, ON.

If EliteXc shows free events, and I happen to be home, then maybe I’ll watch it (UFC filler). But the only MMA event I’d pay to watch is the UFC and its world-class fighters.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but when Shaw says EliteXC is taken care of its fighters, is he referring to the guy who got paid 1 dollar for a fight that he won, or the guy who got 500 dollars to fight? Shaw only pays the big names any money and stiffs the new guys so he really can’t talk either about fighters salaries.

I don’t disagree with anything he stated. I like how he tried to lure Tito with that little sympathy technique. Nice 1.

XC vs UFC

Feijao vs Forrest

Kimbo/BigFoot vs Frank Mir or AA

Frank Shamrock vs Silva or Franklin

Jake Shields vs GSP

Melendez vs BJ

Gray Shaw vs Dana White

I would love to see Frank vs Silva. It would be an entertaining 30 seconds.

I don’t disagree with anything he stated. I like how he tried to lure Tito with that little sympathy technique. Nice 1.

I would like to here his response to the fact that he used to compare mma to wwe and mma was just a fad.

Bitch, bitch, bitch. Just sounds like 2 old women bickering.

I would like to here his response to the fact that he used to compare mma to wwe and mma was just a fad.

He probably take that one back with the quickness since he’s making bank off of it now too. But its better for us, the consumer to have the guy around and give the UFC some competition though. I think March29 Strikeforce event will be better than UFC83. Try look at the card side by side.

He’s got a point about DanaW growing only the UFC, and not the sport of MMA. Never thought about it that way.
I hate Dana White!

oh man. these two are like guidos at a nightclub. when will this end?

When the two of them step into the men’s room, compare ’em, and somebody emerges victorious.

He’s got a point about DanaW growing only the UFC, and not the sport of MMA. Never thought about it that way.
I hate Dana White!

jess, if it wasn’t for Dana and the UFC, this sport would still be in the dark and unregulated. Zuffa, not Pro-Elite, is leading the charge in getting MMA (notice i said MMA) sanctioned all over the World.

Didn’t he pay one of his fighters $1 for his efforts at their last event?

Seriously though, what exactly does Shaw think he’s doing to grow the sport of MMA as opposed to his own company? He only has a handful of good fighters but not enough to put two good fighters against each other. What you’re left with is an experienced big-name fighter beating the doo-doo out of some underpaid scrub who wishes he was in UFC. The TUF series has done more to grow MMA than anything Shaw ever has done or will do.

He’s got a point about DanaW growing only the UFC, and not the sport of MMA. Never thought about it that way.
I hate Dana White!

Tssh oh really?
Who’s been pushing for MMA to be sanctioned in every state?
Who’s been promoting it on every network trying to educate people who never gave it a chance?
Who’s taking his show around the world at a loss to his business?

You can argue that he’s only doing these things to help his business but then what would YOU have him do to promote the sport? Come on tv and say “hey dont just watch ufc, watch the other shows too” ?!

Didn’t he pay one of his fighters $1 for his efforts at their last event?

It was a third party agreement. All the csac hvae to do is give us what they paid each fighter NOT all the ins and outs of the thrid party agreement. Cause you guys have to ask yourself who would sign a contract if they was only get paid .50 to show
     .50 to win.
think about it

Boxing promoter Gary Shaw attributes Ultimate Fighting’s rise to a generation inured to violence and mayhem — the sort commonly depicted in movies and videogames. “The mixture of wrestling with boxing and the fact that it’s not staged goes to the bloodthirsty segment of the population,” he says.

from luke thomas’ bloody elbow page. gary shaw….the fat full of shit shady bastard has been exposed for the 1000th time.

say what you want about dana, it’s debatable. gary shaw on the other hand is a little fat douchebag. and the cbs deal is kinda lame anyhow, so whatever gary…

Whatever Gary, you didn’t start EXC just to be kind and charitable to fighters. You started EXC because you wanted to cash in on the MMA bandwagon.

UFC is doing more for this sport than any other organization. Legalizing the sport across America and around the world. You just let Zuffa do all the work and than ride their coat tails.

Gary Shaw = crock shit

tito would reign as a champ in elite xc.

JERRY!! JERRY!! JERRY!! (while doing fist pumps in the air, referring to the Jerry Springer Show)

Yeah Gary Shaw treats his fighters well….I wonder what Moyses Gabin is doing with his $1 from “Street Certified”.

He’s got a point about DanaW growing only the UFC, and not the sport of MMA. Never thought about it that way.
I hate Dana White!

ENTIRELY INCORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I dont think Gary said anything wrong. Half the stuff he said was True. Now, I dont know the UFC financial business, and I am not going to pretend that I do, so I cant comment on SPIKE bailing them out of Debt, but everything else he said was accurate.

I am happy Shaw gave props to the Fertita’s because they deserve it. !st time Gary actually sounded intelligent.

You don’t think Gary said anything wrong!? Are you serious dude? Or are you just ignorant to the fact that Elite XC isn’t the one responsible for getting MMA sanctioned in the US. It’s been the hard work of Marc Ratner and the UFC.

Tssh oh really?
Who’s been pushing for MMA to be sanctioned in every state?
Who’s been promoting it on every network trying to educate people who never gave it a chance?
Who’s taking his show around the world at a loss to his business?

You can argue that he’s only doing these things to help his business but then what would YOU have him do to promote the sport? Come on tv and say “hey dont just watch ufc, watch the other shows too” ?!

Basically, you are right.
DW talks out of each side of his mouth. One side professes his love for MMA. And the other side you can’t tell the difference between MMA and UFC.
EliteXC might not have the talent pool that the UFC has. But that may not last forever.
And in business you take a loss, in order to get a gain. And that’s exactly why the UFC is expanding it’s territories. Thery aren’t gonna lose money for no reason.
And no I don’t expect the UFC to promote other promotions. But I still agree with what Gary Shaw said. And I think eventually the Fertitta’s will get tired of Dana White as the landscape changes.

tito would reign as a champ in elite xc.

Who cares?

You dana fans and i (only support or like UFC fans) are like sheep…

What exactly does EliteXC do differantly than the UFC when he says we treatarefighters good.

They dont pay any more. What does he mean. They dont market there fighters more.

Fact: UFC fighters are paid quite a bit more then Elite fighters accross the board.
Fact: The UFC markets ints fighters with TV ads, Radio spots, Web page interviews, about 5 to 1 when you go to there web pages. Video and Audio interviews are all over the UFC.com, All aceess and Countdown shows ect. What does Elite do better? Nothing.! Nothing at all.

For the clowns that think Gary has a point about the UFC growing just the UFC.

The UFC is responsible for most of the states legalizing MMA and promoting events.

the UFC is the reason MMA is on TV, plain and simple. They showed there was a market, they opened the flood gates, no one else.

Everytime Gary opens his mouth he comes off as a idiot, everytime. I love Elitexc but cant stand Gary Shaw.

No…Has to be Kimbo Vs Lesnar :)

Whatever Gary, you didn’t start EXC just to be kind and charitable to fighters. You started EXC because you wanted to cash in on the MMA bandwagon.

UFC is doing more for this sport than any other organization. Legalizing the sport across America and around the world. You just let Zuffa do all the work and than ride their coat tails.

Gary Shaw = crock shit

Couldn’t of said it better. As far as Tito goes, I wouldn’t be surpreised if he did something eith Trump or Cuban. EliteXc can’t afford to throw money at Tito – they’re losing money hand over fist. EliteXc should replace Shaw with someone with more appeal.

Seriously though, what exactly does Shaw think he’s doing to grow the sport of MMA as opposed to his own company? He only has a handful of good fighters but not enough to put two good fighters against each other. What you’re left with is an experienced big-name fighter beating the doo-doo out of some underpaid scrub who wishes he was in UFC. The TUF series has done more to grow MMA than anything Shaw ever has done or will do.

Exactly. How much is Shaw ponying up to get MMA sanctioned? EliteXC is just trying to ride the coattails of the UFC. If Shaw was so confident of his product, don’t you think that he would divest himself of his boxings interests and devote himself fulltime to MMA? Gary Shaw turns me off EliteXC with all his whining and dumb statements. Memo to Shaw: You haven’t achieved anything yet in MMA and you’ll be lucky to be around in six months. March 29th card better than UFC83? Not IMHO. Most of the fights are mismatches set up to build the fighter’s reputations. It’s not as good competitively speaking as the next UFN.

As Dana said each promotion plays its part. You need these smaller orgs to feed the bigger orgs the new up and coming fighters.

As for actual competition to the UFC’s top spot well I’m not so sure. Personally I don’t even know wether I would want 1 dominating org (like the UFC) or several, both have there pro’s and con’s. Right now though I think I prefer the one major org. So we can then get the best fights

Correct me if I’m wrong, but when Shaw says EliteXC is taken care of its fighters, is he referring to the guy who got paid 1 dollar for a fight that he won, or the guy who got 500 dollars to fight? Shaw only pays the big names any money and stiffs the new guys so he really can’t talk either about fighters salaries.

Funny this coming from man that use to say MMA was a barabrian sport that should be outlawes in the U.S….this coming from a former boxing promoter…he use to say that MMA would never be recognized as sport! you know Gary Shaw just want to please the retards that just love to watch brawls and watch someone die in the process…he care nothing about the global status of MMA he just want kimbo to beat all these cans and be considered and argument to fedor and randy 5 years from now! You know i would have like to see him sink 40 million big ones when ufc and mma where at there darkest moments back in the day!! Dana may have spike and the ferttitas to back his money up..but at least they had the balls to invest in a psort they truly believed in…Gary shaw just hopes on the band wagon for one purpose only!!! Pure Profit Grubbin at its worst!

Tssh oh really?
Who’s been pushing for MMA to be sanctioned in every state?
Who’s been promoting it on every network trying to educate people who never gave it a chance?
Who’s taking his show around the world at a loss to his business?

You can argue that he’s only doing these things to help his business but then what would YOU have him do to promote the sport? Come on tv and say “hey dont just watch ufc, watch the other shows too” ?!

Lets be serious here, there is only one god and that is money.

Nothing else drives a person.

Dana is running a business, the only people with an MMA passion are the fighters.

Who’s been pushing for MMA to be sanctioned in every state? Dana is doing this for the business. The more states he brings the fights to, the more interest is generated in his business.

Who’s been promoting it on every network trying to educate people who never gave it a chance?
Marketing, a tool used to generate awareness and sales.

Who’s taking his show around the world at a loss to his business?
That was the funniest. Come on now, there is a longer plan. Businesses use things called a ‘5 year plan’. The ultimate goal is to be making profits by the end of the 5 year plan, even it means losing money in the first 2 years. I assure you Dana isn’t losing money for the love of mma.

Thankfully we have Dana selling a product we all love but don’t insult us by making out Dana is a MMA god. He loves profit and so he should.

Very nice comment AUTOMATION.

He’s got a point about DanaW growing only the UFC, and not the sport of MMA. Never thought about it that way.
I hate Dana White!

Your just as bad as Shaw!!!!! if your Dana W. why in the hell would u want any other organization to compete with you, Dana is doing everything for MMA !!!!!!!! why do you think MMA is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HUGE………give up???……….BECAUSE OF THE UFC AND DANA WHITE!!……..like seriously…..go back to your coin collection!!

Dana White, is prob. the biggest MMA fan…..the difference is he gets to run it all and make money off it…..

ufc is the best mma company out there no one can compete with them and if it wasnt for dana ufc would never be were it is today

Your just as bad as Shaw!!!!! if your Dana W. why in the hell would u want any other organization to compete with you, Dana is doing everything for MMA !!!!!!!! why do you think MMA is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HUGE………give up???……….BECAUSE OF THE UFC AND DANA WHITE!!……..like seriously…..go back to your coin collection!!

lol. What gave me away Bruce?

But seriously, Strikeforce landed an afterhours deal with NBC.
Turns out don’t like to deal with the UFC’s president anyway.

Dana White, is prob. the biggest MMA fan…..the difference is he gets to run it all and make money off it…..

Come on Bruce. Are you an MMA newbie???

If Dana was MMA’s biggest fan, he would be putting true contenders ahead of showmen for title shots and not putting Forrest in with Rampage etc.

He puts on shows which are good for business not mma.

However, UFC is making mma more popular one way or another which can only be good for mma.

But please don’t say he is doing this for mma

Come on Bruce. Are you an MMA newbie???

If Dana was MMA’s biggest fan, he would be putting true contenders ahead of showmen for title shots and not putting Forrest in with Rampage etc.

He puts on shows which are good for business not mma.

However, UFC is making mma more popular one way or another which can only be good for mma.

But please don’t say he is doing this for mma

Thank You! I have been trying to say that all week!

Am I the only 1 getting sick of all these presidents of mma organizations always running there mouth? 2 dana white? Thats all we need! I wish these guys would all go away, stay behind the scenes. I would rather he a more professional spokesman for the UFC like Frank or Lorenzo Fertita. Fighters should be in the limelight not these baboons!

Lets be serious here, there is only one god and that is money.

Nothing else drives a person.

Dana is running a business, the only people with an MMA passion are the fighters.

Who’s been pushing for MMA to be sanctioned in every state? Dana is doing this for the business. The more states he brings the fights to, the more interest is generated in his business.

Who’s been promoting it on every network trying to educate people who never gave it a chance?
Marketing, a tool used to generate awareness and sales.

Who’s taking his show around the world at a loss to his business?
That was the funniest. Come on now, there is a longer plan. Businesses use things called a ‘5 year plan’. The ultimate goal is to be making profits by the end of the 5 year plan, even it means losing money in the first 2 years. I assure you Dana isn’t losing money for the love of mma.

Thankfully we have Dana selling a product we all love but don’t insult us by making out Dana is a MMA god. He loves profit and so he should.

MMA god, sure that’s exactely what I said. You took what i wrote and resaid it. As I said I am very well aware he’s doing all of that for his business. That point that I tried to make that was clearly lost on you is that there is a very thin line between “doing what’s best for MMA” and “doing what’s best for UFC”. The UFC is an MMA promotion. Wichever way you try to bash anybody’s comment, there’s no getting around that you can’t promote UFC without promoting MMA. Pure and simple. You can try to make me out to be a Dana lover all you want. I’m a realist. And you basically agreed with me with your last 2 sentences so why the fuss?

Automation. What was Dana supposed to do. Legalize the sport in nearly every state, then travel across to England, Ireland and Canada and then NOT make any money out of it?!?! That would be similar to a very early car manufacturer travelling to a country with no cars in it, showing everyone how amazing they are and then letting a different company sell cars instead. Is Dana an MMA advertiser? Is that his job? Hell no!

Dana is awesome!

Dana and the UFC are expanding becauseit will get MMA more well known and that means more money for them!! They are a company, but by expanding they are increasing the MMA fanbase… which is more than that large mouth in-it-only-for-the-money Gary Shaw. www.mmafacts.com

Of course he is not only ding it for MMA. But he IS doing it for MMA AND for money!! You should be praising the bald man!!

Dana White is awesome!!!!!

Thank You! I have been trying to say that all week!

Am I the only 1 getting sick of all these presidents of mma organizations always running there mouth? 2 dana white? Thats all we need! I wish these guys would all go away, stay behind the scenes. I would rather he a more professional spokesman for the UFC like Frank or Lorenzo Fertita. Fighters should be in the limelight not these baboons!

Guys its possible for someone to love their job and get paid well. I think it would be silly for anyone to say Dana White doesn’t have a deep love for MMA. Anyone who stays around MMA long enough will love it (thats why within the next ten years most boxing fans will have converted).

However “LONG TERM” success means making tough sometimes unpopular decisions. Nothing Dana has done has made me question his feelings toward MMA. I would say he is just as much a business man as he is a fan of MMA.

But I definately agree with John that the UFC needs a professional spokesperson, I have said that for a long time. Dana’s biggest success is the UFC and his biggest failure is his desire to be a star, he should gracefully (and most of all quietly) do his job behind the scenes.

Ask Gary Shaw about how Gary Turner was treated. He was taken off a HW fight in Cage Rage he had scheduled, and he found out about it on the internet! Np call from the organization!

Shaw’s facts are wrong about the Spike deal. Spike did NOT bail them out of $35 mill debt. The UFC paid for the production of TUF1, and Spike agreed to air it!

Shaw is your prototypical goomba promoter who’s trying to make a buck in MMA. I’d take Dana over Shaw ANY DAY!

how do you know this? sources?

Zuffa inherited the 35 million dollar deficit.

Automation. What was Dana supposed to do. Legalize the sport in nearly every state, then travel across to England, Ireland and Canada and then NOT make any money out of it?!?! That would be similar to a very early car manufacturer travelling to a country with no cars in it, showing everyone how amazing they are and then letting a different company sell cars instead. Is Dana an MMA advertiser? Is that his job? Hell no!

Dana is awesome!

Dana and the UFC are expanding becauseit will get MMA more well known and that means more money for them!! They are a company, but by expanding they are increasing the MMA fanbase… which is more than that large mouth in-it-only-for-the-money Gary Shaw. www.mmafacts.com

Of course he is not only ding it for MMA. But he IS doing it for MMA AND for money!! You should be praising the bald man!!

Dana White is awesome!!!!!

UFC fan, you’re missing me completely.

I’m not knocking Dana for making money or expecting him not to make it.

Dana is in it for the money and is not doing it for his passion of MMA. It just so happens that his business is MMA which makes him alot of money. So it is in his interest to promote MMA to make money and this is the only reason.

Lets take the money aspect out of it. Lets assume that Dana can live the rest of his life with his current wealth (which he can), will he go to work, promote MMA for nothing??? Hell No!!!

I already said…. “UFC is making mma more popular one way or another which can only be good for mma”

I also indirectly praised Dana…. “Thankfully we have Dana selling a product we all love but don’t insult us by making out Dana is a MMA god. He loves profit and so he should”

If Dana loved MMA he would respect the fighters doing it, he certainly wouldn’t go into the TUF house and wave his $10G’s in front of the moneyless UFC wannabe’s and get them to compete for something stupid purely for TV entertainment.

Dana saw MMA as a ‘NICHE’ in the market and that is why he jumped on it, not because he loved it.

His previous passion was boxing!

Thanks to Dana’s desire for money, we are seeing an explosion in the MMA market which is good for us as we see more and more fighters coming into the scene with ever improving fighters and more events.

But PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do not say that Dana loves MMA. He loves his product which is a difference.

Ford probably love their cars but drive about in Ferrari’s

MMA god, sure that’s exactely what I said. You took what i wrote and resaid it. As I said I am very well aware he’s doing all of that for his business. That point that I tried to make that was clearly lost on you is that there is a very thin line between “doing what’s best for MMA” and “doing what’s best for UFC”. The UFC is an MMA promotion. Wichever way you try to bash anybody’s comment, there’s no getting around that you can’t promote UFC without promoting MMA. Pure and simple. You can try to make me out to be a Dana lover all you want. I’m a realist. And you basically agreed with me with your last 2 sentences so why the fuss?

Bane, Sorry I’m not bashing your comment. I’m merely generalising.

I just quoted your comment to get my point across. Effectively, we are agreeing somewhat.

I’m waiting on a comment to be moderated which further explains my point.

Gary Shaw doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I’m behind the UFC all the way, I hope they expose his bandwagon jumping ass for the fake he is

Any time we are debating the feud between the Presidents or owners of MMA organizations and not the fighters or fights, there is something wrong.

Shaw may be baiting Tito, but remember Tito has been the most vocal about fighter pay for a long time…plus recently he says he would never sign with the UFC again because of what? – the way Dana treats fighters and the pay. It only makes sense that Shaw would mention Tito when arguing those points.

Shaw is a snake, but I like the other organizations popping up and cross-promoting. Their shows and talent are not up to the UFC standard, but are getting better. Plus, if you have Showtime and HDNET you can see alot of MMA without having to wait for UFC FN and PPVs. I like the UFC the best, but I watch everything…give it some time. More promotions makes for better fights and competition for the UFC.

Dana needs to be less visible, do more and say less, bury alot of hatchets and stop dropping F-bombs. The schtick sp? is getting old and overall, gives the UFC a black eye.

Gary Shaw is a Douche Bag! grow the sport yea right just like he helped grow Boxing.

BINGO……..well said mr.shaw.

gary shaw loves the smell of his own farts. i wonder how much money cbs is gonna have to pay to get elitexc out of debt! probably alot.

Gary Shaw is just a jealous man…jealous that he will never be the major league..Dana White has made the UFC the elite organization it is today…he should have the respect of everyone in the MMA industry…but with great success comes great resentment!