Randy Couture signs HDNet Fight contract that will be effective when UFC term expires
Additional details have emerged regarding the recent lawsuit that HDNet Fights and its owner, Mark Cuban, filed against Zuffa LLC and Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC) in a Texas court.
According Adam Swift at Sherdog.com, embattled UFC Heavyweight Champion Randy Couture -- who relinquished his strap in late 2007 -- and HDNet Fights have entered into a contract that begins when "The Natural's" UFC promotional contract and non-compete clause expire in October 2008.
At that time, it's believed that HDNet Fights intention is to promote a megafight between Couture and Fedor Emilianenko in Dallas, Texas. Without a contract with Couture, HDNet Fights would be unable to go to court because there would be nothing to "adjudicate."
The point of contention between Couture and Zuffa is the employment contract between the two. Zuffa contends that Couture still owes the UFC two fights, while Couture believes that his responsibility to those fights was eliminated with his resignation, leaving only his promotional contract and non-compete clause.
Cuban and HDNet Fights contend that Zuffa's position regarding Couture is illegal because it interferes with his ability to seek gainful employment and practice his craft. As there is a small window though which Couture can compete as an elite-level athlete, HDNet Fights will look to expedite the court decision.
It's important to note that Texas law prohibits indefinite employment restrictions such as the restrictions Zuffa is attempting to place on Couture.
The current lawsuit also acknowledges the lawsuit brought by Zuffa against Couture and notes that HDNet Fights does not intend for its contract with Couture to interfere with any existing contract between Couture and Zuffa.
Couture's contract with HDNet Fights will only become valid after the promotional agreement between Couture and Zuffa either expires or a court rules it void and/or unenforceable.
Stay tuned for more on this developing story.
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oh baby! almost seems too good to be true. Dana must be fudging his shorts.
by Belly of fury on Feb 20, 2008 1:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ITS FINALLY GONNA HAPPEN… AND MAKE A LOT OF MONEY
by PATRICK on Feb 20, 2008 1:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I cant believe randy has bought into his own hype to the point that he feels he is ‘too good’ to defend his strap against Nog. He thinks he can actually beat Fedor?
On the same note, I want to see this fight just as much as any other guy, so lets make it happen :)
by Brandon on Feb 20, 2008 1:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Emelianenko vs Couture!!! OH MY GOD! Need I say it will be a bigger fight then the Fedor vs Cro-Cop fight a while back?! I think so!!!!!
WOOHOO!!!!!
by evangelion27 on Feb 20, 2008 1:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i thought signing a contract with someone, while under contract with someone else was a BIG legal no-no.
by kitsunex on Feb 20, 2008 1:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
if it goes to court and ufc lose there should be an outside chance that the fight happens a bit sooner as ufc resigned to defeat on the matter may well allow coutoure/hdnet to buy out the remaining months of the contract for anot that substancial an amount
at the same time coutoure will probably need 3 months to train as will fedor and DW appears to throw the rattle out of the pram when he doesnt get his own way so may try to postpone the fight for as long as possible so that it will definitely be randys last fight
by nate diaz on Feb 20, 2008 1:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i thought signing a contract with someone, while under contract with someone else was a BIG legal no-no.
I would say you can write a contract (back up) as long as the contract states that it will come into effect IF contract XYZ expires or gets terminated. I am sure they had it written up with a full legal team and I highly doubt Randy would just go and sign another contract with out legal advice.
by Jo on Feb 20, 2008 1:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Will love to see this fight. Especially if it sticks it to Dana a bit along the way. Do not think Randy thinks he is too good for Nog, my understanding is it would have locked in a secondary part of the contract from which escape would have been difficult. On a side note I’m sure many will think I’m retarded but I believe much the same that Fedor was a bad match up for Nog I think Nog would be a bad match for Randy. Thus another good reason for avoidance. Randy vs Fedor however seem to posess similar styles and thus good match.
by wannabe on Feb 20, 2008 2:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
oh baby! almost seems too good to be true. Dana must be fudging his shorts.
who cares about randy anymore he turned his back on all the people who made him and that includes dana white props to u dana for not giveing in to a man who is only good stil cause of hgh….im tired of hearing about randy,,go make a fool of urself and take ur gold-digger skank girl wit ya,,maybe u two could double wit the clemens and u can shoot each other up
by chuckisover-rated on Feb 20, 2008 2:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
listen all u people need to understood randy turned his back on all the people who made him his ufc fans and even dana so i say props to u dana dont give in to that selfish ungrateful bum
by chuckisover-rated on Feb 20, 2008 2:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Finally, the dream fight will happen! Having more MMA organizations out there will only be good for us fans. I see Tito and others disaffected with UFC management joining HDNET Fight.
by Rob on Feb 20, 2008 2:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
THE BIG QUESTION IS… WILL IT BE FOUGHT IN A CAGE OR IN A RING!? IF CAGE – COUTURE ALL THE WAY!!!
by Trupix on Feb 20, 2008 2:15 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh man, Cuban is the MAN!!! Thanks to him this very well might happen.
I just think Couture is our best hope right now for beating the Russian who I am bitter towards due to his not so exciting business decision to go with M1. But besides that, Couture’s the MAN!!
War Couture!!!!!!
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 2:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Shit, I was hoping he’d come back to the UFC. This is only the beginning, others will follow.
by TONY M on Feb 20, 2008 2:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I live in Dallas and I am so THERE for this if it happens
by Space on Feb 20, 2008 2:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
couture is going to get drilled if this fight happens….he beat sylvia…and gonzaga who looks like he belongs in the not televised portion right now….so go get what you want randy…over in about 90 seconds
by SF on Feb 20, 2008 2:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
See, cross promoting makes these fights happen. Dana’s smart enough to bring the UFC to where it is today, but now that all these other organizations are popping up, he should do the smart thing and cross promote.
And Pay his fighers well.
by Toms Bombs on Feb 20, 2008 2:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
be careful of what you ask for randy… poor guy, he’s on the way to getting his head ripped out of his neck. good luck, you’ll need it against the russian.
by linx on Feb 20, 2008 2:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I can’t wait to find out how much HDnet Fights pays these two after this war of money. I know that the UFC underpays guys in their contracts, but the headliners get a cut of the pay per view. That’s got to be a serious chunk of money. You would think that Fedor Couture would be one of, or possibly, the biggest MMA PPV’s ever. As far as I know, HDnets doesn’t do PPV. Am I wrong? Will this be a PPV event or will you just need to have the channel to see the fight?
by Flaadog on Feb 20, 2008 2:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Will love to see this fight. Especially if it sticks it to Dana a bit along the way. Do not think Randy thinks he is too good for Nog, my understanding is it would have locked in a secondary part of the contract from which escape would have been difficult. On a side note I’m sure many will think I’m retarded but I believe much the same that Fedor was a bad match up for Nog I think Nog would be a bad match for Randy. Thus another good reason for avoidance. Randy vs Fedor however seem to posess similar styles and thus good match.
I agree. When Randy says that only the Fedor fight makes sense, I’m pretty sure he means business sense.
by Pat on Feb 20, 2008 2:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good, go get it Randy….although this will probably prompt 30 more lawsuits from the UFC.
I agree Dana brought the UFC up, but it’s gone straight to his head!
As you can tell on this post – 95% of MMA fans want this fight to happen in the worst way. Dana’s #1 objection – make sure it never happens.
Dana brought the UFC up, but it wouldn’t mean anything without the fans….the same fans he’s trying to screw out of this fight!
by TonyDrip on Feb 20, 2008 2:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Flaadog -
I believe that you need HDNet to watch this fight. That being said, Cuban is no dummy and if he sees the opportunity to make a truck load of cash with a one off PPV, why not?
by Jeff on Feb 20, 2008 2:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i thought signing a contract with someone, while under contract with someone else was a BIG legal no-no.
It is a HUGE LEGAL NO NO, it’s like say you get married with a woman and you separate but are still legally married, then you marry some other girl and say that “That” marriage will be valid after the divorce of the first marriage is done or when a court splits you. That fight will not happen.
by Lycan on Feb 20, 2008 2:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Randy is like in Oscar De La Hoya’s position right now. Are there other contenders that De La Hoya could face? Sure, but at this point in his career, why would he put himself through training for a fight that has less money and profile than a Mayweather fight? That’s exactly what Randy’s position is with Fedor.
by Pat on Feb 20, 2008 2:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Oh man…oh man…I think I might have to go to this. I live in Austin and if this happens it would be a mailestone in MMA. HDnet fights are in a cage right? If they are I would still give a slight edge to Fedor.
by Mattchupichu on Feb 20, 2008 2:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Zuffas about to step into the courts with one of the richest guys in the world I love it.
Seems justified for raising ppv prices for no apparent reason
by dia mette on Feb 20, 2008 2:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Mr.Smithers…excellent. Mark it on your calendar gents, we’ll see this fight before the years over! WAR THE NATURAL!!!!
by HB Beachbum on Feb 20, 2008 3:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
UFC purchases PRIDE and kills it.
All of these “little backyard promotions that are popping up” (Dana’s term) don’t worry Dana White. Or at least that’s what he says when he is interviewed.
I wonder how Dana is feeling now that the biggest fight in the history of MMA looks like it will be taking place outside of the UFC.
Like someone mentioned above, will the fight take place in a ring or in a cage? That is the question.
by ViolentMike on Feb 20, 2008 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
who cares about randy anymore he turned his back on all the people who made him and that includes dana white props to u dana for not giveing in to a man who is only good stil cause of hgh….im tired of hearing about randy,,go make a fool of urself and take ur gold-digger skank girl wit ya,,maybe u two could double wit the clemens and u can shoot each other up
What’s that smell?…
Ah yes, the smug odor of UFC fundamentalist having to eat his words. I love it.
by Dana White's Latest Blunder on Feb 20, 2008 3:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
See, cross promoting makes these fights happen. Dana’s smart enough to bring the UFC to where it is today, but now that all these other organizations are popping up, he should do the smart thing and cross promote.
And Pay his fighers well.
Oh yeah cause the money is sooo great elswhere (Sarcasm)
just look at what the eliteXC guys made. $1 to win?
by kitsunex on Feb 20, 2008 3:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Zuffas about to step into the courts with one of the richest guys in the world I love it.
Seems justified for raising ppv prices for no apparent reason
Being rich or famous has nothing to do with Justice, nor the Legan System, NOTHING.
by Lycan on Feb 20, 2008 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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props to u dana for not giveing in to a man who is only good stil cause of hgh….[/quote]
did i miss somethng? when did Couture get embroiled in an HGH conroversy. you’re reaching out pretty far there guy if you think Randy is on HGH. How can i take anyone seriously that thinks Dana is the best president this company could get and gives him props for the job he’s done. The only job Dana is good at is the hand-job/reacharound that he gives Chuck on a continuous basis. Cuban is gonna make a huge splash. He has the money, the charisma and the golden touch that is gonna make the UFC have to take notice. Too bad Cuban is gonna make all the $$$ from this fight and Dana can explain to the Fertitta’s how and why he screwed them out of the biggest PPV in MMA history.
by Spider Style on Feb 20, 2008 3:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
before I start jumping up and down on the couch with excitement, I am going to wait and see how this actually pans out. This is just round 3 in a 15 round unification bout
by FFL on Feb 20, 2008 3:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Finally, the dream fight will happen! Having more MMA organizations out there will only be good for us fans. I see Tito and others disaffected with UFC management joining HDNET Fight.
I totally disagree. Having many different promotions will just lead MMA down the path of boxing. Having all the best fighters in the same organization is what leads to the amazing fight cards where you get to see 6 great fights in one night. Plus, determining legitimacy of title holders is much easier with one major organization.
by GregC on Feb 20, 2008 3:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This will be a great fight but what happens when its over in 2 minutes!!!!!! All of this will be for no reason and Fedor will still be number one in the world because Dana’s not gonna let Nog fight him.
by Knowone on Feb 20, 2008 3:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Flaadog -
I believe that you need HDNet to watch this fight. That being said, Cuban is no dummy and if he sees the opportunity to make a truck load of cash with a one off PPV, why not?
HDNet Fights is only available to a small number of cable users. Cuban will almost certainly put it on PPV where everyone has the ability to see it and he can make some cash, then rerun the hell out of it on his network.
by PW on Feb 20, 2008 3:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It is a HUGE LEGAL NO NO, it’s like say you get married with a woman and you separate but are still legally married, then you marry some other girl and say that “That” marriage will be valid after the divorce of the first marriage is done or when a court splits you. That fight will not happen.
Worst legal analysis ever. (See above analysis)
If Randy Couture’s contract is an exclusive dealings contract (I would think that it is), then he cannot enter into contracts without the consent of the UFC until his contract duties have been discharged. Therefore, Couture’s HDnet contract begins at the date of expiration of his UFC contract. Thus, Couture does not breach the terms of his UFC contract.
Employment and/or promotional contracts are not analogous to a marriage license. When people get married its not a matter of contract law. There is no such thing as a “marriage” contract, but when people get married they need a “license.” If a contract exists between spouses regarding terms of the marital and separate property, then the contract is either a pre – marital/nuptial or post – marital/nuptial agreements. The name of the contract depends on whether it was entered into before or after the marriage.
Entering into a contract when you are bound by another contract is not a “HUGE LEGAL NO NO,” unless the second contract breachs the terms of the first contract. In Couture’s case, it seems to be that he agreed to fight for HDnet after his UFC contract has expired. Therefore, Couture is not breaching the terms of his UFC ocntract because his UFC contract will not exist at the time Couture performs his duties under the HDnet contract.
The declaratory relief sought by HDnet allows them to determine the remainging “length” of Couture’s contract. This is important because HDnet cannot begin planning the event until they can determine a reasonably certain date for which Couture would be allowed ot fight. The ruling is important because HDnet needs to begin laying the logistics and getting the business side of the operation going.
The fight is going to happen either way. Its just a matter of when. Furthermore, the lawsuit is great publicity and its free.
Mark Cuban moved up to #457 on my hero list and will move up to #122 when the fight happens.
This is a day of great excitement in the MMA world.
by Dana White's Latest Blunder on Feb 20, 2008 3:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Best fight IN MMA HISTORY.
I HOPE RANDY DEFEATS COUTURE AND IS FINALLY RECOGNIZED AS THE BEST EVER.
by carnage on Feb 20, 2008 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dan Henderson will be the next to walk
Dan just signed a new contract in order to fight Anderson dude, don’t think he’ll be leaving anytime soon.
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 3:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
UFC purchases PRIDE and kills it.
All of these “little backyard promotions that are popping up” (Dana’s term) don’t worry Dana White. Or at least that’s what he says when he is interviewed.
I wonder how Dana is feeling now that the biggest fight in the history of MMA looks like it will be taking place outside of the UFC.
Like someone mentioned above, will the fight take place in a ring or in a cage?
That is the question.
I say 1/2 Ring & 1/2 Cage.
Think about it!
It will be in the shape of a hexagon with a cage coming up to the same height as the ropes in a ring. It will be awesome! Both fighters won’t be able to continue due to back injuries suffered from the mid-back “cage rope” slams!
by Dana White's Latest Blunder on Feb 20, 2008 3:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
THE BIG QUESTION IS… WILL IT BE FOUGHT IN A CAGE OR IN A RING!? IF CAGE – COUTURE ALL THE WAY!!!
should happen in a ring, randy’s wrestling background should have him covered – and besides, Randy is chasing Fedor, so it should be in Fedors home.
by Insain on Feb 20, 2008 3:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I totally disagree. Having many different promotions will just lead MMA down the path of boxing. Having all the best fighters in the same organization is what leads to the amazing fight cards where you get to see 6 great fights in one night. Plus, determining legitimacy of title holders is much easier with one major organization.
I agree Greg. What if football had twenty different organizations and the Patriots and the Chargers and the Giants were all in different ones? Yeah that would suck. Sure every now and then they could cross promote, but it doesnt beat having them all competing in one.
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 3:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dan just signed a new contract in order to fight Anderson dude, don’t think he’ll be leaving anytime soon.
Thank you for the info
by TONY M on Feb 20, 2008 3:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I totally disagree. Having many different promotions will just lead MMA down the path of boxing. Having all the best fighters in the same organization is what leads to the amazing fight cards where you get to see 6 great fights in one night. Plus, determining legitimacy of title holders is much easier with one major organization.
one org that will not let the best fighters fight. the ufc or dana holds personal beefs with fighters and does not let them compete so how is that make it better.we don’t know who the best in the world is unless they fight each other and the ufc does not alow that to happen.
by roy on Feb 20, 2008 3:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Being rich or famous has nothing to do with Justice, nor the Legan System, NOTHING.
It has everything to do with it the more money you have the better lawyers and stronger legal battles you can persue, why dont you ask the goldmans if they got justice in OJ’s trial.
Justice gets overshadowed by who has the better legal representation.
by dia mette on Feb 20, 2008 3:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It has everything to do with it the more money you have the better lawyers and stronger legal battles you can persue, why dont you ask the goldmans if they got justice in OJ’s trial.
Justice gets overshadowed by who has the better legal representation.
Well said. Money always talks.
Litigation is very expensive, but I think litigaiton costs and attorneys fees are not a huge concern for either party. Each party has some deep pockets.
by Dana White's Latest Blunder on Feb 20, 2008 3:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This will be a great fight but what happens when its over in 2 minutes!!!!!! All of this will be for no reason and Fedor will still be number one in the world because Dana’s not gonna let Nog fight him.
forget about dana not letting Nog fight Fedor, I dont think nog ever wants to fight fedor again
by dia mette on Feb 20, 2008 3:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
THE BIG QUESTION IS… WILL IT BE FOUGHT IN A CAGE OR IN A RING!? IF CAGE – COUTURE ALL THE WAY!!!
It’ll be interesting to see which they go with. I’d imagine it’ll be a ring which I think is a disadvantage to Randy. He uses the cage a lot as you can see in his fights with Gonzaga and Sylvia.
by Buster Bluth on Feb 20, 2008 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
should happen in a ring, randy’s wrestling background should have him covered – and besides, Randy is chasing Fedor, so it should be in Fedors home.
I agree Insain, he is the one pursuing Fedor, I also think that Fedor fighting in a cage, would hurt him more than Randy in the ring. Randy is ready to handle anything, he’s done a ring before, and since Fedor is a small HW, pressing agasint teh cage should not be entirly as necesary as lets say, taking down Barnett or somebody.
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 3:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree Greg. What if football had twenty different organizations and the Patriots and the Chargers and the Giants were all in different ones? Yeah that would suck. Sure every now and then they could cross promote, but it doesnt beat having them all competing in one.
the problem is the ufc does not let the best fighters fight and kepps them out of the ufc for personal reasons so they can not be legit when they are doing these types of things.
by roy on Feb 20, 2008 3:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree Insain, he is the one pursuing Fedor, I also think that Fedor fighting in a cage, would hurt him more than Randy in the ring. Randy is ready to handle anything, he’s done a ring before, and since Fedor is a small HW, pressing agasint teh cage should not be entirly as necesary as lets say, taking down Barnett or somebody.
Sherdog.com Information:
1. Randy Couture The Natural 6’1 (185cm) 225lbs (102kg)
2. Fedor Emelianenko The Last Emperor 6’0 (183cm) 233lbs (106kg)
I guess Couture and Fedor are same heavyweights?
by Dana White's Latest Blunder on Feb 20, 2008 3:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would also like the make the point that Randy(despite his age) I believe has the sheer strength advantage as far as the grappling goes, and I think he’ll get the takedown and get on top no problem.
He is infamous with having trouble with HW’s, but he really didnt do bad at all. Look at the Josh Barnett fight, Randy got the take down at will pretty much, and kept the dominant position landing descent GnP shots the whole time, winning the first two rounds. Finally, when Josh did get on top, Randy pulled a Gonzaga and curled up and died. But Fedor is a smaller HW, and I don’t think Randy will gas in the same way, and if Linland got Fedor down, so will Randy.
The question in my mind is weather or not Fedor can catch him from his back with one of his infamous armbars.
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 3:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
the problem is the ufc does not let the best fighters fight and kepps them out of the ufc for personal reasons so they can not be legit when they are doing these types of things.
The ufc tries it’s best to get all the best fighters, they are not 100% succesful, but they are pretty darn good, at least, teh best so far.
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 3:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
how would this work though, in that case from now on Randy can only fight in states that do not enforce that contract or what??? i guess randy will fight in TX for a long time which is cool because i live in Houston and Dallas is only 4 hours away wooo who
by hector on Feb 20, 2008 4:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fedor will walk through Randy …. Randy is way past his prime. Gonzaga had that fight if it wasn’t for the busted nose. This is gonna get so over hyped but no way is this the greatest MMA match-up ever.
Silva vs Henderson is a way better fight.
by TONY M on Feb 20, 2008 4:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
let me say this, the last thing i wanna see is shiite being talked about randy, i take my hat off to him.No one except him and his people know really whats going on, were commenting on what were being told.If he feels he wants to fight Emelianinko and thats it, I say fine.I dont think its a matter of him feeling hes better than neone, hes 45 years old, how much longer will he be capable of stepping into the octagon with Emelianenko?Theres sides to everything guys!
by thacoldchila on Feb 20, 2008 4:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Perfect.
by Gabriel on Feb 20, 2008 4:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
be careful of what you ask for randy… poor guy, he’s on the way to getting his head ripped out of his neck. good luck, you’ll need it against the russian.
Linx: I completely agree. Randy has been drinking a little to much of his own kool aid lately. I said I would never count Randy out again as an underdog, then again everyone is an underdog against The Russian, and that Russian always delivers.
I have a few questions for all of you:
Question #1: for all of you? If Fedor completely destroy’s Randy, like I know he will, will u then all stop hating on Fedor “The badest Dude on the Planet” Emelienenkio?
Question #2: Who is the tougher fighter to FINISH…Nogueira or Couture?
Question #3: How did Randy get the deal with HDNet done, I thought u couln’t negotiate with other organizations while under UFC contract?
by john on Feb 20, 2008 4:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mark Cuban is not “the man”! The guy is as sleazy as they come. I think he is going to be shocked when he sees the ppv buys for this “super fight” cause casual mma fans don’t give a shit about fedor. Randy, Ferdor, and Mark Cuban need to F off.
by Johnny Choc on Feb 20, 2008 4:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow..Mr. Cuban is a busy man. Jason Kidd and now Randy Couture. Yes…this will be an exciting fight but it will be HDNets only fight worth watching. Seriously…have any of these other start up organizations produced anything really worth watching? As of now…no…not really. WEC, maybe, but guess who owns them! Dana’s probably disappointed he didn’t get this fight but until these other companies start putting together some shows worth seeing the UFC is where it’s at…as messed up as it might be. We can all think of things we’d like to see different and fighters we’d like to see in the UFC but for now I’ll keep my loyalties here.
by Drew on Feb 20, 2008 4:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i really dont care for all the legal mumbo jumbo, i just wanna see randy and fedor fight
by matty b on Feb 20, 2008 4:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Linx: I completely agree. Randy has been drinking a little to much of his own kool aid lately. I said I would never count Randy out again as an underdog, then again everyone is an underdog against The Russian, and that Russian always delivers.
I have a few questions for all of you:
Question #1: for all of you? If Fedor completely destroy’s Randy, like I know he will, will u then all stop hating on Fedor “The badest Dude on the Planet” Emelienenkio?
Question #2: Who is the tougher fighter to FINISH…Nogueira or Couture?
Question #3: How did Randy get the deal with HDNet done, I thought u couln’t negotiate with other organizations while under UFC contract?
Answer I’ve never really hated on Fedor so I don’t really have to worry about that. But I have a question for you what will you do IF Randy beats Fedor.
Answer 2 I would have to say Big Nog is tougher to finish he’s always getting his ass kicked then pulling out the win.
Answer 3 I don’t think Randy really gives a shit what the ufc says
by Bobby D on Feb 20, 2008 4:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The ufc tries it’s best to get all the best fighters, they are not 100% succesful, but they are pretty darn good, at least, teh best so far.
i am not talking about the fighters that they try to sign and fail i am talking about the fighters they don’t let compete cause dana does not like them even though they are at the top of there weight class.
by roy on Feb 20, 2008 4:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Best fight IN MMA HISTORY.
I HOPE RANDY DEFEATS COUTURE AND IS FINALLY RECOGNIZED AS THE BEST EVER.
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by Flaadog on Feb 20, 2008 4:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i thought signing a contract with someone, while under contract with someone else was a BIG legal no-no.
like the blog said… he’s has not signed a contract
by THORAZINE on Feb 20, 2008 4:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Linx: I completely agree. Randy has been drinking a little to much of his own kool aid lately. I said I would never count Randy out again as an underdog, then again everyone is an underdog against The Russian, and that Russian always delivers.
I have a few questions for all of you:
Question #1: for all of you? If Fedor completely destroy’s Randy, like I know he will, will u then all stop hating on Fedor “The badest Dude on the Planet” Emelienenkio?
yes ring or cage randy does not stand much of a chance.
Question #2: Who is the tougher fighter to FINISH…Nogueira or Couture?
nogueira by far.
Question #3: How did Randy get the deal with HDNet done, I thought u couln’t negotiate with other organizations while under UFC contract?
obviously it is legal and cuban had his lawyers look at everything before hand or would not have done it.he is not undercontract with them till his ufc contract is up and that will be determined in court.
by roy on Feb 20, 2008 4:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
listen all u people need to understood randy turned his back on all the people who made him his ufc fans and even dana so i say props to u dana dont give in to that selfish ungrateful bum
hell’’’’ UFC made plenty of money off Couture, and definitely survived in part, because of him,,, he was the poster boy of THE’’ fighter in the UFC.. promoting it across the country why it was a safe sport… they both benefited from it… now he wants out… let the contracts speak for themselves.
by THORAZINE on Feb 20, 2008 4:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree. When Randy says that only the Fedor fight makes sense, I’m pretty sure he means business sense.
Also, Couture recognizes his age as a disadvantage and after a few more possibly brutal fights, he could get injured, lose steam or slow down in so many ways…. If he wants one more fight before he retires… it would be right to fight FEDOR the guy who beat NOG twice.
Couture can come back to UFC n’ fight NOG… if WHITE wants to make it happen….he wont’
by THORAZINE on Feb 20, 2008 4:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
UFC purchases PRIDE and kills it.
All of these “little backyard promotions that are popping up” (Dana’s term) don’t worry Dana White. Or at least that’s what he says when he is interviewed.
I wonder how Dana is feeling now that the biggest fight in the history of MMA looks like it will be taking place outside of the UFC.
Like someone mentioned above, will the fight take place in a ring or in a cage?
That is the question.
I would love to be a fly in the room with Dana just to see his reaction when the fight is finally made official….It would be a priceless moment.
As for the cage vs. Ring question….I think Randy as no shot at all fighting Fedor in a ring. The recent Randy (of the past 2 years) has developed some world class “Cage Tactics” as he likes to call it. Although Randy has much improved as a striker, his cage tactics have helped him greatly when fighting better strikers then him. You take away Randy’s cage tactics and he looses one of the most dominant aspects of his arsenal. It should take place in the ring, Fedor is considered the best in the world, Randy is chasing him so it should be in a ring. Also Randy has fought in a ring before, while I dont recall Fedor ever fighting in a cage.
I will never forget how stupid Dana sounded when he called Fedor a Farce who isn’t even top 5. What a joke, he expects me to believe that he offered 1.5 million a fight, which is an unprecedented pay day, never before seen in the UFC. We can say like Brock, Fedor is a huge draw so he deserves the money, but that would be a false statement because I hear that from a business standpoint Fedor was a bust in America and pay per view numbers werent good for the events he competed in America. Which means he was offered that 1.5 because Dana clearly knows he was the REAL Deal, how could u not? Dana has said some awefully stupid things…but that clearly took the cake. I will never forget that statement made by Dana.
by john on Feb 20, 2008 4:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
hell’’’’ UFC made plenty of money off Couture, and definitely survived in part, because of him,,, he was the poster boy of THE’’ fighter in the UFC.. promoting it across the country why it was a safe sport… they both benefited from it… now he wants out… let the contracts speak for themselves.
PREACH BROTHER MAN PREACH!!!
The relationship between the UFC and Couture is/was mutually beneficial.
The UFC would NOT be what it is without the efforts of Randy Couture
AND, (does everyone see the AND?)
Randy Couture financially benefited from fighting in the UFC.
My question is…
Who will be hurt more by the dissolution of the relationship, Couture or the UFC?
by Dana White's Latest Blunder on Feb 20, 2008 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Couture will be what when his UFC contract expires…46, 47?
I love Couture even though I thought he was a hypocrite to leave the UFC due to money issues. He was the second highest paid in the company behind The Ice Man. And to go with Cuban?
I love that the Fedor fight may happen now, but with Cuban? Mark Cuban is a billionaire douche bag. You people complain about Dana White. Mark Cuban is ten times worse.
Couture turned his back on the company that made him. HDNet Fights will NEVER be the UFC. I hope it is, just so I have more great MMA to watch, but let’s be honest…the UFC is the NFL of the sport and everything else is just an XFL counterpart.
And lastly, Fedor is no Tim Sylvia. Couture is a freak of nature at his age, but Fedor is a different animal. He’s no fucking pussy push over like The Maine-iac. I hate it because deep down I think RUSSIA beats AMERICA, or in this case Captain America.
This isn’t Rocky IV. Surprise me Couture…if you have one last great fight in you…Surprise me!
by Cool Hand Chad on Feb 20, 2008 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Randy’s days are over. The legal end of this mess is going to keep him on the sidelines for a long time to come. Not that I care anymore. Randy has turned into MMA’s #1 asshole. Not only did he duck Nog (yeah, that’s right, he DUCKED Minotauro because he was afraid he might lose), he turned his back on a lot of his fans.
Personally, I could care less if he ever fights again. He beat a crippled Tim Sylvia to snag the strap and then proceeded to lay a beating on a completely over rated fighter whose sole claim to fame was a KO of the world’s #2 over rated fighter Mirko Cro Cop. Now Randy claims he wants to fight the world’s #1 over rated fighter to decide once and for all who is #1? Who cares?
I was neutral more or less on this whole issue up until he ducked Nog. Guess he was scared of being put into a coma.
Thanks Randy! I was one of your biggest fans up until you proved you are a liar, a coward, and a money grubbing asshole.
by Judoka on Feb 20, 2008 4:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Flaadog -
I believe that you need HDNet to watch this fight. That being said, Cuban is no dummy and if he sees the opportunity to make a truck load of cash with a one off PPV, why not?
wouldnt that be crazy if cuban unleashed a couture vs. fedor figth and a first mma fight from mayweather
“A more explosive move may be in the offing. Mayweather, whose 2007 pay-per-view brawl with De la Hoya brought in $134 million, has gone from talking trash about the sport—calling it “nothing but a fad” and comparing it to “a street fight”—to recently discussing entering the M.M.A. ring with Mark Cuban’s HDNet."
this would put UFC under in 2 years, you know cuban will pay the fighters and I bet once people start seeing the pay days, everyone will come over from all leagues.
Maybe who knows
by greggbarridallas on Feb 20, 2008 4:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We seem to be forgetting that Zuffa has already filed a suit claiming collusion with respect to Couture and other (as yet) unnamed co-conspirators. As I speculated days ago, Cuban seems likely to be named in the suit. Personally, it seems to me that Cuban’s recent actions just strengthen Zuffa’s case that this whole Randy drama has been orchestrated from the get-go with a few other people. Cuban probably promised Couture a piece of HDNetFights. IMHO this will be tied up in the courts until the logistics of this fight are impossible. Why doesn’t Cuban spend some of his money to help get MMA sanctioned? Although I do think that the Fertitta’s need to reign Dana in and shake things up with a new frontman, Randy is acting unethical in this situation. Zuffa is right with respect to Couture. The law is not on Randy’s side here. I don’t think that a Court would even consider this suit until after October when Randy claims that he will be a “free agent”. Cuban may just be looking for pubicity here.
by Muscle Dolphin on Feb 20, 2008 4:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We seem to be forgetting that Zuffa has already filed a suit claiming collusion with respect to Couture and other (as yet) unnamed co-conspirators. As I speculated days ago, Cuban seems likely to be named in the suit. Personally, it seems to me that Cuban’s recent actions just strengthen Zuffa’s case that this whole Randy drama has been orchestrated from the get-go with a few other people. Cuban probably promised Couture a piece of HDNetFights. IMHO this will be tied up in the courts until the logistics of this fight are impossible. Why doesn’t Cuban spend some of his money to help get MMA sanctioned? Although I do think that the Fertitta’s need to reign Dana in and shake things up with a new frontman, Randy is acting unethical in this situation. Zuffa is right with respect to Couture. The law is not on Randy’s side here. I don’t think that a Court would even consider this suit until after October when Randy claims that he will be a “free agent”. Cuban may just be looking for pubicity here.
verrry interesting perspective….
by THORAZINE on Feb 20, 2008 4:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
who cares about randy anymore he turned his back on all the people who made him and that includes dana white props to u dana for not giveing in to a man who is only good stil cause of hgh….im tired of hearing about randy,,go make a fool of urself and take ur gold-digger skank girl wit ya,,maybe u two could double wit the clemens and u can shoot each other up
I’m with you! Randy has been drinking to much of that Hollywood water. Finish your contract out (that you signed),then you can turn your back on the company that helped you make a name for yourself.
by oldiais77 on Feb 20, 2008 5:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We seem to be forgetting that Zuffa has already filed a suit claiming collusion with respect to Couture and other (as yet) unnamed co-conspirators. As I speculated days ago, Cuban seems likely to be named in the suit. Personally, it seems to me that Cuban’s recent actions just strengthen Zuffa’s case that this whole Randy drama has been orchestrated from the get-go with a few other people. Cuban probably promised Couture a piece of HDNetFights. IMHO this will be tied up in the courts until the logistics of this fight are impossible. Why doesn’t Cuban spend some of his money to help get MMA sanctioned? Although I do think that the Fertitta’s need to reign Dana in and shake things up with a new frontman, Randy is acting unethical in this situation. Zuffa is right with respect to Couture. The law is not on Randy’s side here. I don’t think that a Court would even consider this suit until after October when Randy claims that he will be a “free agent”. Cuban may just be looking for pubicity here.
You’re right. Cuban doesn’t give a shit about MMA! He wants to prosper off the fastest growing, money maker sport right now. Say what you will about Dana White, but he and the Fertitta’s wallet are the reason MMA is where it’s at today. No One else. They made the sport great. They made it marketable. Cuban is a fucking opportunist with dollar signs in his eyes.
And I fucking hope and pray Mayweather brings his scrawny little ass into an eight sided cage. He would get mopped up by the lowest talent on UFC’s roster.
The day Cuban starts paying big money to fighters and they jump shit is the day MMA becomes just like Boxing and this whole thing we love falls apart. Sure, UFC is strict on where their fighters fight, but I love it that way. They have the best fighters in the world. The best fights in the world. And the best production value/marketing in the world. I only want to see fights inside the Octagon. UFC is where it started, and if it doesn’t end there, than god help us.
by Cool Hand Chad on Feb 20, 2008 5:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
wouldnt that be crazy if cuban unleashed a couture vs. fedor figth and a first mma fight from mayweather
“A more explosive move may be in the offing. Mayweather, whose 2007 pay-per-view brawl with De la Hoya brought in $134 million, has gone from talking trash about the sport—calling it “nothing but a fad” and comparing it to “a street fight”—to recently discussing entering the M.M.A. ring with Mark Cuban’s HDNet."
this would put UFC under in 2 years, you know cuban will pay the fighters and I bet once people start seeing the pay days, everyone will come over from all leagues.
Maybe who knows
AWESOME IDEA!!… BUT,,, Mayweather, would NEVER fight MMA… he’s almost a Melvin Gulliard, with the amount of crap he talks..
MAYWEATHER IS “SCARED” TO IN FIGHT MMA…
by THORAZINE on Feb 20, 2008 5:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Anomaly: I respect your posts a lot, and thats y I would like to debate your post with you. I am not saying you are wrong, but do u really think Couture has the strength advantage over Fedor? Keep in mind, I have heard numerous fighters say that Fedor has the best hips in the world, which is very important in mma. Hips control is crucial in takedowns as well as ju jitsu
Well here is where I am coming from John:
I do understand hips are the cornerstone to much of what goes on, absolutely essential, and Randy being the Greco-Roman wrestler he is must have excellent hips also. And I think that(like Lindland did) Couture’s Greco Roman skills will be able to nuetralize most stand-up-grappling that Fedor might try to do.
Strength period, might be irrelavent, the point I was really trying to make is I believe that like he had Randleman mounted, and like he had Barnett down at will, dominating positioning and that fight until the end, he is capable of getting Fedor down, and ending up on top, where I believe most of the fight will take place.
Keep in mind also that Randleman and Coleman being wrestlers, got Fedor down with little trouble at all. I see it going the same way as Fedor/Coleman or Fedor/Randleman, HOWEVER, Randy is much better and more versed in submission grappling, or anything outside wrestling, then Coleman/Randleman are. This I believe, will make this a very interesting fight.
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 5:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And for those STILL saying that Randy is out of his prime, he is gonna get run over, good grief what will it take. The guy only lost to Chuck in years, who I may add, is curtain cut to beat Randy, styles make fights.
Randy came back and did not only beat his last two HW opponents, but dominated them, so while you might disagree Randy is the best, or Randy is the man, or that he even stands a chance agisnt Fedor, there is no evidance whatsoever Randy is past his prime, and that he is not as good as he has ever been. It just seems ridiculous to me to even start sayin that one can be sure he will loose.
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 5:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Answer I’ve never really hated on Fedor so I don’t really have to worry about that. But I have a question for you what will you do IF Randy beats Fedor.
Answer 2 I would have to say Big Nog is tougher to finish he’s always getting his ass kicked then pulling out the win.
Answer 3 I don’t think Randy really gives a shit what the ufc says
BobbyD: I never hated on Randy. If I had to bet on any fighter to pull of a monumental upset it would%2
by john on Feb 20, 2008 5:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Earlier comments comparing the UFC to the NFL is a bit off base. The NFL has a player’s union to protect fighters from the monopoly that is the NFL.
The UFC should either follow suit or understand that fighters have the right to take care of themselves and their families and go where they can make the most money.
They can’t have it both ways – be a monopoly and have all the best fighters, but not pay them fairly.
My preference is to see the UFC & MMA in general go the way of the NFL. Unionize, come up with a strict way of doing business and negotiations, then bring all the talent together and let them go at it. Then they could get a TV contract, advertising & endorsements and have fights more often without raping the casual fan for $45.95. They would also be able to pay fighters – I don’t hear the NFL players complaining about $$!
Having more fights is the only way to have all the fighters in the same league and not have them sitting on the sideline for years at a time. Be careful what you ask for.
by TonyDrip on Feb 20, 2008 5:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And also, keep in mind that weather you think he deserves it, or weather you think he is a money grubbing a-hole or not, is a totally different issue than his in the ring/cage skills and weather or not he can beat Fedor.
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 5:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What’s up with all of you guys bashing Dana? You guys must all watch the wwe or something. you think Cuban cares about mma, your fuckin kidding yourself! UFC is where it is at.
by oldiais77 on Feb 20, 2008 5:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The Best fight IN MMA HISTORY.
I HOPE RANDY DEFEATS COUTURE AND IS FINALLY RECOGNIZED AS THE BEST EVER.
lol u mean randy defeats fedor buddy
by PATRICK on Feb 20, 2008 5:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love it when a real business guy (Cuban) shows the UFC what being a real business man is. Guy is the man.
by DJ Pullout on Feb 20, 2008 5:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Thats the most perfect stubble I’ve ever seen.
by Mitch on Feb 20, 2008 5:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well here is where I am coming from John:
I do understand hips are the cornerstone to much of what goes on, absolutely essential, and Randy being the Greco-Roman wrestler he is must have excellent hips also. And I think that(like Lindland did) Couture’s Greco Roman skills will be able to nuetralize most stand-up-grappling that Fedor might try to do.Strength period, might be irrelavent, the point I was really trying to make is I believe that like he had Randleman mounted, and like he had Barnett down at will, dominating positioning and that fight until the end, he is capable of getting Fedor down, and ending up on top, where I believe most of the fight will take place.
Keep in mind also that Randleman and Coleman being wrestlers, got Fedor down with little trouble at all. I see it going the same way as Fedor/Coleman or Fedor/Randleman, HOWEVER, Randy is much better and more versed in submission grappling, or anything outside wrestling, then Coleman/Randleman are. This I believe, will make this a very interesting fight.
Do I think Fedor will win… absolutely….but u make great points and a value them. I cant really argue with any thing u said, which is why this fight will be so interesting.
Randy is a better submission grappler then Coleman and Randleman, but after seeing Fedor rip his way out of all Nogueira’s submission attempts for a total of 40 minutes (2 fights combined), I have come to the conclusion that Fedor is immune to being submitted.
I will agree that Randy has a very good chance of getting Fedor down and that Randy’s hips are nothing to sneeze at either, but you have to admit that on the other hand Fedor has a great chance of putting Randy on his back. Randy is well versed in submissions as is Fedor but If I had to pick who has the better chance at fighting off his back, I would give the slight edge to Fedor. I feel this way mainly because I think Randy kind of quit in the Barnett fight once he was put on his back and I have seen Fedor put on his back, but I have never really seen him controlled.
See our educated discussion right here…. This is why the fight is so GREAT. It can go so many different routes. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I see a fight going a certain way, u see it a different way, but what makes this a great fight is that either of us can be right. This is as much of an even fight as Fedor will probably ever be involved in…that is the beauty of this Match… lets hope we get to see this match up by New years.
Question: If you had to bet money on this fight, and the odds were even (which they wont be)…Who would you bet on? I am just curious….. I said I would never bet against Randy again, but I could never get up the ballz to bet against that Russian Monster….I would have to go with Fedor.
by john on Feb 20, 2008 5:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Sure Dana isnt your typical front man but he has done a good job. He has made some mistakes but who hasnt. He tried to sign Fedor but his offer was turned down. If Fedor really wanted to fight the best he would have signed where the best were.
As for Randy he tries to come across as this good guy then he goes and pulls this bullshit. If he had just finished out his contract he could have gone anywhere he wanted. Now hes got this mess in courts and who knows where it will go.
If this fight actually happens I am taking Fedor all the way. Sure he fights freaks and cans now a days but anyone who can beat down Nog 2.5 times is gonna crush Randy.
by Northern Lights on Feb 20, 2008 5:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Couture will be what when his UFC contract expires…46, 47?
I love Couture even though I thought he was a hypocrite to leave the UFC due to money issues. He was the second highest paid in the company behind The Ice Man. And to go with Cuban?
I love that the Fedor fight may happen now, but with Cuban? Mark Cuban is a billionaire douche bag. You people complain about Dana White. Mark Cuban is ten times worse.
Couture turned his back on the company that made him. HDNet Fights will NEVER be the UFC. I hope it is, just so I have more great MMA to watch, but let’s be honest…the UFC is the NFL of the sport and everything else is just an XFL counterpart.
And lastly, Fedor is no Tim Sylvia. Couture is a freak of nature at his age, but Fedor is a different animal. He’s no fucking pussy push over like The Maine-iac. I hate it because deep down I think RUSSIA beats AMERICA, or in this case Captain America.
This isn’t Rocky IV. Surprise me Couture…if you have one last great fight in you…Surprise me!
Mark Cuban is 10 times worse than Dana? Maybe you could elighten us on why this is. Who exactly has Cuban been screwing over and concerning what? Hey if you don’t like Cuban that’s fine, but he’s an incredible business man and he takes care of his employees.
Name me ONE basketball player who wouldn’t want to play for the Dallas Mavericks. They love him as an owner.
by Flaadog on Feb 20, 2008 5:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do I think Fedor will win… absolutely….but u make great points and a value them. I cant really argue with any thing u said, which is why this fight will be so interesting.
Randy is a better submission grappler then Coleman and Randleman, but after seeing Fedor rip his way out of all Nogueira’s submission attempts for a total of 40 minutes (2 fights combined), I have come to the conclusion that Fedor is immune to being submitted.
I will agree that Randy has a very good chance of getting Fedor down and that Randy’s hips are nothing to sneeze at either, but you have to admit that on the other hand Fedor has a great chance of putting Randy on his back. Randy is well versed in submissions as is Fedor but If I had to pick who has the better chance at fighting off his back, I would give the slight edge to Fedor. I feel this way mainly because I think Randy kind of quit in the Barnett fight once he was put on his back and I have seen Fedor put on his back, but I have never really seen him controlled.
See our educated discussion right here…. This is why the fight is so GREAT. It can go so many different routes. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I see a fight going a certain way, u see it a different way, but what makes this a great fight is that either of us can be right. This is as much of an even fight as Fedor will probably ever be involved in…that is the beauty of this Match… lets hope we get to see this match up by New years.
Question: If you had to bet money on this fight, and the odds were even (which they wont be)…Who would you bet on? I am just curious….. I said I would never bet against Randy again, but I could never get up the ballz to bet against that Russian Monster….I would have to go with Fedor.
First, I just wanna make sure you didn’t misunderstand me with my point about Randy being better than Coleman/Randleman at sub grappling. I am in no way saying Randy can submit Fedor, just sayin Randy’s defense is better than Coleman/Randleman, that once he does clinch up and it goes to teh ground or however, that Fedor will have a harder time submitting him then he did agasint Randleman/Coleman, which was pretty easy, and that therefore, a Randy on top of Fedor is worse for Fedor than a Coleman/Randleman.
There definently is a good chance Fedor could get on top, you’r right about that, and i’ll admit that a Fedor on top of Randy is worse than a Randy on top of Fedor I think, I just think odds are Randy will get ontop for reasons we already discussed.
The big question, money where you’r mouth is…..that is a tough one, really really tough, it’s so close it’s not even funny. I almost wanna say Fedor, because I think he does have slightly more ways to win I guess, it’s just that I think Randy’s ways to win are gonna be easier for him to accomplish which helps balance it out, (GnP) for Randy versus a submission for Fedor. So I guess i’d bet on Randy for a descision most likely.
Lemme just say that in making this bet, what it really comes down to, the real bet is that Fedor will not get on top, if he does, that’s disaster for Couture(and for my wager)
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 5:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Linx: I completely agree. Randy has been drinking a little to much of his own kool aid lately. I said I would never count Randy out again as an underdog, then again everyone is an underdog against The Russian, and that Russian always delivers.
I have a few questions for all of you:
Question #1: for all of you? If Fedor completely destroy’s Randy, like I know he will, will u then all stop hating on Fedor “The badest Dude on the Planet” Emelienenkio?
Question #2: Who is the tougher fighter to FINISH…Nogueira or Couture?
Question #3: How did Randy get the deal with HDNet done, I thought u couln’t negotiate with other organizations while under UFC contract?
1) I’m certainly not going to count out Randy, but I think Fedor has a clear advantage in the fight. His takedown defense against Coleman was very impressive and he completely wore him down. I think his resume clearly proves he is the top ranked HW fighter in the world (his recent competition notwithstanding).
2) I don’t think there’s any question that Nogueira is the tougher fighter to finish than Couture. Minotauro has fought 36 times and he has never been finished, while Randy has fought 24 times and been finished 8 times. This one’s not even close.
3) I’m not sure if that’s definitely the case. Cro Cop negotiated with DREAM, but maybe he got permission to do so from the UFC first.
by GregC on Feb 20, 2008 5:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I know I am getting a little greedy here, but I would have really liked to see Randy fight both Nogueira and Fedor. I think Randy vs. Nogueira would have been really technical and interesting.
by john on Feb 20, 2008 5:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Also regarding my last post why I would bet on Couture, has a lot to do with there recent opponent history, Randy’s fought Tim, where he got practice dealing with a large and top ranked opponent, who gave Monson tons of trouble so Tim can’t be to bad at at least nuetralizing positioning on the ground.
WHile Fedor has not had the same competition, he fought that giant but it didnt last long, the giant clearly was not on the same level of ground game, and Fedor has just not fought much in the last year and a half period.
No one NEVER loses, so the longer a fighters winning streak, the closer he is to losing…FEDOR!! ;)
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 6:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
[quote comment=“320990”]Oh man, Cuban is the MAN!!! Thanks to him this very well might happen.
I just think Couture is our best hope right now for beating the Russian who I am bitter towards due to his not so exciting business decision to go with M1. But besides that, Couture’s the MAN!!
War Couture!!!!!
by oldiais77 on Feb 20, 2008 6:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Being rich or famous has nothing to do with Justice, nor the Legan System, NOTHING.
2 letters can some that up for being completely untrue – OJ
by mayberry on Feb 20, 2008 6:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wanderlei is back at extreme couture getting Ready to fight in May. randy will work with him for his fight. randy said he couldnt say who Silva will face but hinted that it is someone who recently fought Chuck (Jardine). Randy went on to say that wanderlei wants to rack up a few wins and then he wants to rematch chuck Liddell next december.
Chuck vs. Wanderlei II next December….WOW!!!
Chuck and wanderlei could fight every new years for the next 5 years and I would still be excited.
by john on Feb 20, 2008 6:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
2 letters can some that up for being completely untrue – OJ
I got 2 more – MJ
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 6:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Fedor wont lose , he’s a cyborg. The only way to kill a cyborg is to melt him in scorching thermite. Randy doesnt have any thermite!
by c-war on Feb 20, 2008 6:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Do I think Fedor will win… absolutely….but u make great points and a value them. I cant really argue with any thing u said, which is why this fight will be so interesting.
Randy is a better submission grappler then Coleman and Randleman, but after seeing Fedor rip his way out of all Nogueira’s submission attempts for a total of 40 minutes (2 fights combined), I have come to the conclusion that Fedor is immune to being submitted.
I will agree that Randy has a very good chance of getting Fedor down and that Randy’s hips are nothing to sneeze at either, but you have to admit that on the other hand Fedor has a great chance of putting Randy on his back. Randy is well versed in submissions as is Fedor but If I had to pick who has the better chance at fighting off his back, I would give the slight edge to Fedor. I feel this way mainly because I think Randy kind of quit in the Barnett fight once he was put on his back and I have seen Fedor put on his back, but I have never really seen him controlled.
See our educated discussion right here…. This is why the fight is so GREAT. It can go so many different routes. It will be interesting to see how it plays out. I see a fight going a certain way, u see it a different way, but what makes this a great fight is that either of us can be right. This is as much of an even fight as Fedor will probably ever be involved in…that is the beauty of this Match… lets hope we get to see this match up by New years.
Question: If you had to bet money on this fight, and the odds were even (which they wont be)…Who would you bet on? I am just curious….. I said I would never bet against Randy again, but I could never get up the ballz to bet against that Russian Monster….I would have to go with Fedor.
This analysis you just made on these to fighters puts this as being a very close fight but on a previous post you said that Fedor is gonna destroy Randy, make up your mind dude.
by jimmy_dean on Feb 20, 2008 6:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This analysis you just made on these to fighters puts this as being a very close fight but on a previous post you said that Fedor is gonna destroy Randy, make up your mind dude.
There are two posters with the name “John”.
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 6:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
randy couture told me he actually left the ufc because he was afraid of brock lesnar
by ISLAND BOI on Feb 20, 2008 6:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
randy couture told me he actually left the ufc because he was afraid of brock lesnar
Brock Lesnar told me he was entering the UFC because Randy Couture was leaving.
by THORAZINE on Feb 20, 2008 6:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA UFC BONE HEADS, NOW YOUR GETTING SUED AND RANDY AND FEDOR WILL HAVE THE BIGGEST FIGHT IN MMA HISTORY IN A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION , NICE!
HDNET PROPS!
by RaiderFan on Feb 20, 2008 6:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brock Lesnar told me he was entering the UFC because Randy Couture was leaving.
brock lesnar would absolutly destroy randy couture
by ISLAND BOI on Feb 20, 2008 6:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If this fight DOES happen its not going to be for atleast another year ,with the courts…..Couture has a contract with the UFC and if Zuffa is saying that he cant fight anywere else untill he finishes his last 2 fights then thats what the contract means……..The judge is going to go with the contract no matter what, thats what a contract is for…..I dont know what Randy is thinking or why he thinks he shouldnt have to fight Big Nog………everyone should BOYCOTT every Randy fight if its not for the UFC after this is all done…..just watch it after its over!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Bruce on Feb 20, 2008 6:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
brock lesnar would absolutly destroy randy couture
Just like he was gonna destroy Mir right?
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 7:07 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Just like he was gonna destroy Mir right?
he did destroy mir, mir just got lucky did u see his face after the fight goddammmmm
by ISLAND BOI on Feb 20, 2008 7:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mark cuban is an nba franchise owner and loves the mma world.Thats sad to say that he knows what the fans want more than dana white. I think that coutoure did the right thing to sign on with them and now cuban has his back and that smells like a good combination once this gets settled that alot of ufc fighters will follow dana is digging the ufc’s grave and the ‘f’ brothers wont take nuch more and send dana back to aerobics class!
by ORTIZ!!!!!!08....BABY! on Feb 20, 2008 7:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he did destroy mir, mir just got lucky did u see his face after the fight goddammmmm
Mir said he saw white lights.. brock is nobody to be wreckin’ wit as u midwesterners would say!
by longislandguy on Feb 20, 2008 7:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
he did destroy mir, mir just got lucky did u see his face after the fight goddammmmm
I’d rather have some cuts & bruises on my face, than a broken leg. Brock just got lucky there was a ref.
by The Anomaly on Feb 20, 2008 7:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
if randy would have stayed in the ufc and beat two more big names like nog and whoever he would more then likely be no. 1 becuse fedor is fighting crap oppoents. so if randy wasnt to busy chasing rainbows he could have been no. 1. but if they fight late this year what are they gonna be fighting for the no.2 spot because big nog will be number 1
by jimmy v on Feb 20, 2008 7:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’d rather have some cuts & bruises on my face, than a broken leg. Brock just got lucky there was a ref.
mir got soooooooooooooo lucky its not even funny lesnar will b king one day
by ISLAND BOI on Feb 20, 2008 8:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
BobbyD: I never hated on Randy. If I had to bet on any fighter to pull of a monumental upset it would%2
John sorry I should have clarfied what i meant was what will that do to your structure of the best heavy weights because I know you rank Fedor number one than either Barnett or Big Nog then Randy after those two.
by Bobby D on Feb 20, 2008 9:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mir said he saw white lights.. brock is nobody to be wreckin’ wit as u midwesterners would say!
Brock Lesnar looked like a giant pink baby in speedo’s … TAP OUT!
by THORAZINE on Feb 20, 2008 11:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Brock Lesnar looked like a giant pink baby in speedo’s … TAP OUT!
and mir look like a pussy
by ISLAND BOI on Feb 21, 2008 12:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Randy is a crybaby. WAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAH. Acting like a little b!tch. Finish your damn fights then get your senior citizen butt to the other promotion. I hate these type of guys who think they are too good.
by Mike is here. on Feb 21, 2008 1:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Randy is a crybaby. WAAAAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAH. Acting like a little b!tch. Finish your damn fights then get your senior citizen butt to the other promotion. I hate these type of guys who think they are too good.
Why are you even allowed to say such things on here? Go away.
by The 518 Playa on Feb 21, 2008 1:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
So… why the hell isn’t he fighting Noguiera?
by skatanicus on Feb 21, 2008 4:15 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
and mir look like a pussy
ohhh’ oooohhhh’ oweeeee’’’ my ankle! my ankle!
by THORAZINE on Feb 21, 2008 4:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
There are two posters with the name “John”.
But the same john made those two comments, talking out of both sides of his mouth.
by jimmy_dean on Feb 21, 2008 8:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
“Mark Cuban is not “the man”! The guy is as sleazy as they come. I think he is going to be shocked when he sees the ppv buys for this “super fight” cause casual mma fans don’t give a shit about fedor. Randy, Ferdor, and Mark Cuban need to F off."
I agree in principle. We are all excited about the prospect of this fight, but the percentage of MMA fans who read blogs like this is tiny. And frankly, I don’t really care to see this fight anymore.
I used to respect Couture, until he walked away from his UFC contract (which had paid him 3 million over 10 months) and cited money reasons. I also think he’s overrated as a fighter. The Gonzaga win doesn’t count for much in my book, because Gonzaga wasn’t the killer that he was hyped to be. And as far as Sylvia goes, Couture fought a great fight. ONE great fight in what, five years?
I used to respect Fedor until he refused to fight any top competition. He runs from the UFC because he wants to fight in a Sambo tournament? A Sambo tournament that not even 8 guys showed up for? And have you seen video of these things? It’s a total joke. And who was the last legitimate heavyweight that Fedor beat? Crocop? Forgive me for not being convinced of Fedor’s invinceability.
Maybe these two are perfect matches for each other; they have BOTH been drinking too much of their own Kool-aid. Let them both ride off into the sunset and fight a match that means nothing and fails financially.
Am I wrong? If so, then tell me why. Don’t just say “Fedor is the bomb” or some other meaningless phrase. Tell me where my logic fails.
by MMAzing on Feb 21, 2008 8:38 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I cant believe randy has bought into his own hype to the point that he feels he is ‘too good’ to defend his strap against Nog. He thinks he can actually beat Fedor?
On the same note, I want to see this fight just as much as any other guy, so lets make it happen :)
Yeh im with you there…
Also.. I didn’t think Randy would beat Fedor anyway, but after how long without a fight??? He’s gonna get smashed. Fedor may be fighting bums but at least he is active. Randy better stage some Din Thomas backyard brawls or something
by ToeLock on Feb 21, 2008 8:41 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dude Of Course I think Fedor will win. I was just analyzing the fight from both perspectives. It’s called an unbiased opinion. I was analyzing the fight on “paper”. No matter how someone thinks a fight will go down, the reality is there are many possible outcomes for fights….I was just analyzing both sides of the fight.
But if I had to pick 1 way that the fight would end up….. I would have to say Fedor by destruction.
My point was that this is a great match up because it can go so many ways. Take a fight between Sherk vs. Manny…. there arent too many possible outcomes for that fight… But a match up between Randy vs. fedor….there are so many possabilities….
If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick, I would say Fedor, but would I be surprised if Randy pulls off the upset? Hell No, he is been pulling off upsets his whole career.
Please, If someone doesnt like my post….dont respond to it. People that respond to my post should be looking to engage in a knowledgable and unbiased discussion. Obviously U have nothing to add. thats why my post was aimed at ANOMALY! So if you want to waste time by just attacking people, there are a bunch of others u can attack. I was trying to analyze the fight with someone knowledgable (Anomaly) whom I even addressed by name….
by john on Feb 21, 2008 8:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
mir got soooooooooooooo lucky its not even funny lesnar will b king one day
MIR DID NOT GET LUCKY!!! What is wrong with you idiots!!! He is a BJJ specialist!! That’s like saying Stpehep Spielberg got lucky… NO HE DIDN’T… The guy has spent his life doing that to people, it was predicted before the fight by so many pple that it would end with a leg lock of some kind…
On the same note… I kinda agree Lesnar has awesome potential and I look forward to seeing him develop.
by ToeLock on Feb 21, 2008 8:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
man i hope this happens, i live in dallas. my ass will be first in line for tickets. i don’t get all this randy hating now. the guy is old and ready to hang up the gloves. if he has one more goal in mind (fedor) that he wants to accomplish, more power to him. dana had the chance to get in on this fight and didn’t. randy has been hearing for years that fedor is the best in the world, and he wants to take the challenge of beating him and walk away after, win or lose.
i think thats awesome. most guys spend their whole lives running from challenges like that. WAR RANDY!!
by sooper822 on Feb 21, 2008 11:12 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
MIR DID NOT GET LUCKY!!! What is wrong with you idiots!!! He is a BJJ specialist!! That’s like saying Stpehep Spielberg got lucky… NO HE DIDN’T… The guy has spent his life doing that to people, it was predicted before the fight by so many pple that it would end with a leg lock of some kind…
On the same note… I kinda agree Lesnar has awesome potential and I look forward to seeing him develop.
A leg lock, wow what an awesome fighter, he goes in gets his ass kicked and escapes a mauling by hanging on to man’s leg, you call that a fight? a fighter?
by Raze on Feb 21, 2008 12:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dude Of Course I think Fedor will win. I was just analyzing the fight from both perspectives. It’s called an unbiased opinion. I was analyzing the fight on “paper”. No matter how someone thinks a fight will go down, the reality is there are many possible outcomes for fights….I was just analyzing both sides of the fight.
But if I had to pick 1 way that the fight would end up….. I would have to say Fedor by destruction.
My point was that this is a great match up because it can go so many ways. Take a fight between Sherk vs. Manny…. there arent too many possible outcomes for that fight… But a match up between Randy vs. fedor….there are so many possabilities….
If you held a gun to my head and told me to pick, I would say Fedor, but would I be surprised if Randy pulls off the upset? Hell No, he is been pulling off upsets his whole career.
Please, If someone doesnt like my post….dont respond to it. People that respond to my post should be looking to engage in a knowledgable and unbiased discussion. Obviously U have nothing to add. thats why my post was aimed at ANOMALY! So if you want to waste time by just attacking people, there are a bunch of others u can attack. I was trying to analyze the fight with someone knowledgable (Anomaly) whom I even addressed by name….
I wasn’t attacking you, clearly if you go back and read your two post were contradicting each other and had that been me someone would have called me out as well (at least I hope so) so if that was directed at ANOMALY and you didn’t want anyone else to comment, get his phone number and don’t take things so personal it’s just MMA and it’s not the end of the world.
by jimmy_dean on Feb 21, 2008 1:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A leg lock, wow what an awesome fighter, he goes in gets his ass kicked and escapes a mauling by hanging on to man’s leg, you call that a fight? a fighter?
do you call a guy who could not last for more than 90 seconds with a so so fighter a fighter than.lesnar is nothing he will lose to any great striker or good bjj fighter.
by roy on Feb 21, 2008 1:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Randy’s back on the comeback !!
GREat NEwS for MMA FANS
by Ktown on Feb 21, 2008 1:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well this is how I see the fight and you won’t see two different opinions. The only way Randy loses this fight is by way of submission. I see Randy controling the stand up and taking Fedor down with ease. If this fight goes to the judges then Randy wins! Plain and simple nobody is getting destroyed this is gonna be a very good fight(that’s what we want right). That is my opinion so write it down and if I say anything different, please call me out. I forgot to mention Randy will have the edge if it’s in a cage and Fedor will if it’s in a ring but you guys already know that.
by jimmy_dean on Feb 21, 2008 1:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well this is how I see the fight and you won’t see two different opinions. The only way Randy loses this fight is by way of submission. I see Randy controling the stand up and taking Fedor down with ease. If this fight goes to the judges then Randy wins! Plain and simple nobody is getting destroyed this is gonna be a very good fight(that’s what we want right). That is my opinion so write it down and if I say anything different, please call me out. I forgot to mention Randy will have the edge if it’s in a cage and Fedor will if it’s in a ring but you guys already know that.
I agree. The only thing that worries me is; Randy hasn’t fought a HW with the quickness of Fedor. Randy has the answer though.
by The 518 Playa on Feb 21, 2008 2:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
[quote comment=“321307”]Sure Dana isnt your typical front man but he has done a good job. He has made some mistakes but who hasnt. He tried to sign Fedor but his offer was turned down. If Fedor really wanted to fight the best he would have signed where the best were."
the best AaU
by Parisyan Sucks on Feb 21, 2008 2:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The best are going to start leaving the UFC if the UFC doesn’t raise the payscale more.
by The 518 Playa on Feb 21, 2008 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well this is how I see the fight and you won’t see two different opinions. The only way Randy loses this fight is by way of submission. I see Randy controling the stand up and taking Fedor down with ease. If this fight goes to the judges then Randy wins! Plain and simple nobody is getting destroyed this is gonna be a very good fight(that’s what we want right). That is my opinion so write it down and if I say anything different, please call me out. I forgot to mention Randy will have the edge if it’s in a cage and Fedor will if it’s in a ring but you guys already know that.
I will mark your words.
I bet Cro – Cop (Cro – Cop 2005 version) thought he was going to control the stand up when he fought Fedor.
I wonder what Cro – Cop thought after his with Fedor?
by Dana White's Latest Blunder on Feb 21, 2008 6:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree. The only thing that worries me is; Randy hasn’t fought a HW with the quickness of Fedor. Randy has the answer though.
Couture hasn’t fought anyone comparable to Fedor.
Couture lost to Ricco Rodriquez and Josh Barnett, which is important to note because those to fighters are the only top HW competition Couture fought. Ricco is not at the peak of his career anymore and Barnett can’t fight int he UFC because Dana White doesn’t like him.
I would if Barnett’s victory over Couture has anything to do with that?
Couture’s biggest fights have been against LHWs. (See, Liddel, Ortiz, and Belfort.)
I’m excited for the fight.
Couture’s Professional Record: (Sherdog.com)
Win
Gabriel Gonzaga TKO (Strikes) UFC 74 – Respect 8/25/2007 3 1:37
Win
Tim Sylvia Decision (Unanimous) UFC 68 – Uprising 3/3/2007 5 5:00
Loss
Chuck Liddell KO (Punch) UFC 57 – Liddell vs Couture 3 2/4/2006 2 1:28
Win
Mike Van Arsdale Submission (Anaconda Choke) UFC 54 – Boiling Point 8/20/2005 3 0:52
Loss
Chuck Liddell KO (Punches) UFC 52 – Couture vs Liddell 2 4/16/2005 1 2:06
Win
Vitor Belfort TKO (Doctor Stoppage) UFC 49 – Unfinished Business 8/21/2004 3 5:00
Loss
Vitor Belfort TKO (Cut) UFC 46 – Supernatural 1/31/2004 1 0:49
Win
Tito Ortiz Decision (Unanimous) UFC 44 – Undisputed 9/26/2003 5 5:00
Win
Chuck Liddell TKO (Punches) UFC 43 – Meltdown 6/6/2003 3 2:39
Loss
Ricco Rodriguez Submission (Strikes) UFC 39 – The Warriors Return 9/27/2002 5 3:04
Loss
Josh Barnett TKO (Strikes) UFC 36 – Worlds Collide 3/22/2002 2 4:35
Win
Pedro Rizzo TKO (Strikes) UFC 34 – High Voltage 11/2/2001 3 1:38
Win
Pedro Rizzo Decision (Unanimous) UFC 31 – Locked & Loaded 5/4/2001 5 5:00
Loss
Valentijn Overeem Submission (Guillotine Choke) Rings – King of Kings 2000 Final 2/24/2001 1 0:56
Win
Tsuyoshi Kohsaka Decision (Unanimous) Rings – King of Kings 2000 Final 2/24/2001 2 5:00
Win
Kevin Randleman TKO (Strikes) UFC 28 – High Stakes 11/17/2000 3 4:13
Win
Ryushi Yanagisawa Decision (Majority) Rings – King of Kings 2000 Block A 10/9/2000 2 5:00
Win
Jeremy Horn Decision (Unanimous) Rings – King of Kings 2000 Block A 10/9/2000 3 5:00
Loss
Mikhail Illoukhine Submission (Kimura) Rings – Rise 1st 3/20/1999 1 7:43
Loss
Enson Inoue Submission (Armbar) VTJ 1998 – Vale Tudo Japan 1998 10/25/1998 1 1:39
Win
Maurice Smith Decision UFC Japan – Ultimate Japan 1 12/21/1997 1 21:00
Win
Vitor Belfort TKO (Strikes) UFC 15 – Collision Course 10/17/1997 1 8:16
Win
Steven Graham TKO (Strikes) UFC 13 – The Ultimate Force 5/30/1997 1 3:13
Win
Tony Halme Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 13 – The Ultimate Force 5/30/1997 1 0:56
by Dana White's Latest Blunder on Feb 21, 2008 6:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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