chuck is gonna lose. whip his ass shogun!!!!!!

If the shogun that shows up is the one we saw against forrest than for sure chuck as an advantage..

chuck’s is the Man………..but wholy cow what the hell is he thinking………..he lost 2 in a row he should have to have another win after he beats shogun to get the title….be realistic here….now i,’m not here to compare apples and oranges but Chuck if this were boxing it would take a couple years to get the title shot again…..Dana is doing u a favor …….

Chuck is right, he should have had to have two wins in a row for a title shot. IF he hadn’t lost Jardine. Chuck can’t blame anyone but himself for having to work hard for a shot. Just imagine what Jardine is thinking, he beats Chuck and Forest and still doesn’t get a shot. By beating Wanderlei, Chuck is on his way to proving he’s the real deal. The competition in the LHW division is stiff as hell right now, much more than it was when Chuck was the champ. It’s going to take a lot of talent for someone to hold on to the belt for as long as Chuck did.

It goin to be a crazy fight because the both have something to prove. Shogun wants to avenge his loss, and Chuck wants the title back. I think we are goin to see the Shogun of old pride in this fight so, they both are goin to come out swinging. Let’s just hope the rest of card is just as good as this fight.

Chuck, STFU. you lost two fights in a row, one of them to kieth jardine for gods sake. Your win over silva was a “START” in the right direction to “EARN” the right for a title shot. You would have an argument if you might have possibly beat jardine but come on, you lost two in a row, win one fight and you want a title shot? LOL

Pride better than the UFC, Chuck? Let’s see….

HW champ- Pride fighter
LHW champ- Pride fighter
MW champ- Pride fighter

I think it’s working exactly as it should for Chuck. He lost 2 …so now he needs to win 2 against legit competition. I have no problem at all with Chuck getting the winner of Rampage vs Forrest if he gets past Shogun.

The real loser in the equation is Jardine. If Jardine were flashier (more marketable) he would not be getting shoved aside right now. It’s an unfortunate fact in the UFC that flash equals cash and Jardine is skilled but “flashless”.

Chuck wants an immediate title shot even after losing two of his last three fights. Who the hell does he think he is, Randy Couture?

Since when do people who get beat up badly two times against someone deserve a 3rd fight. To make a triology you have to win one of the first two. Chuck is delusional if he thinks he can beat rampage.

Rampage already said that he aint fighting chuck no more cuz he already beat em twice, rampage is in a lose lose situation so i doubt he’ll even take this fight if he’s still the champ….

p.s. who is keith jardines agaent or representative i mean they SUCK, this guys beaten Forrest and Chuck and still can’t get a decent fight cuz his ppl aren’t doing the right things for him and he’s not talking himself, they need to push for fights more instead of sitting back, otherwise he aint goin far in this business and will keep getting fed…

Technically:

HW – UFC
Interim HW – Pride
LHW – Pride
MW – Pride
WW – UFC
Interim WW – UFC
Lightweight – UFC

he really showed rampage how much better the ufc is

He must have been drunk when he said that, if not then he is getting senile with old age. He thinks that after loosing 2 fight in a row, he beat wanderlei, and he now should be fighting for the title instead of fighting Shogun….Has he lost his damn mins?

I hope Shogun destroys him!

Also, I hear that a fight between Jardine vs. Wanderlei for UFC 84 in May will be announced this week. This doesnt come from my usually reliable source, so we will have to wait and see if I am right. I do hear that we will hear an announcemnet about that card, later this week. I guess we will all have to stay tuned.

Chuck lost two straight against Rampage and Jardine, and he defeats Silva who was also on a two fight losing streak and he thought he deserved the title? What a joke. Rashad Evans deserves a title shot over Chuck Liddell right now.

But Chuck does get what he wants considering him and Dana are like two lovers sitting inside a treehouse. It is pretty sickening.

Could Rickson Gracie vs Sakuraba be in the works?

New Rickson Interview! Talks Sakuraba And Much More
Translation by:
MMA Europe website (from Portuguese)

Are you ready for your last fight?
I am very optimistic that it’ll happen this year… perhaps it will really be the last fight. In my heart, I have nothing to prove to anyone. I confess that the biggest motivation is to bring a comfort for my children, until today I do not have conditions.

No? Don’t you have a considerable bank account?
People cannot think thus. The conquests of the past don’t matter. If you have the chance to kill an enormous buffalo… I feel a hunter, a supplier for my family. I could not refuse a possibility of these.

Then it will be a lot of cash…
It will… I will put my “donkey in the shade” (meaning his undefeated record and prestige)…

How much will you be paid?
I cannot say it. Contractual issue, confidential.

Will it be in Japan?
Yes. It is where the best stage is. It’s on the work, but it’s not signed yet, I only keep my fingers crossed.

You are worshipped in Japan, right?
I cannot walk in the street in Japan. It is very difficult. They are crazy about martial arts, for the way of the warrior. They had been able to live and experience, through my experience, what they had in theory through the Musashi, the great warriors. Today, in Japan, I represent the modern samurai, and I am a reference for many people.

This last fight will be against Sakuraba?
I do not know… Speculation! For the time being I cannot guarantee, but it will be closed soon. I know that many people would like to fight with me to place my head in a wall. Many people speak of Sakuraba, the Gracie killer, right? If I have the chance to get him, it’ll be excellent.

I would love to see Sakuraba defeat Rickson “put your money where your mouth is” Gracie.

I didn’t think I needed two wins in a row to get a title shot.

Maybe he was talking about before he lost to Jardine???

Rampage already said that he aint fighting chuck no more cuz he already beat em twice, rampage is in a lose lose situation so i doubt he’ll even take this fight if he’s still the champ….

p.s. who is keith jardines agaent or representative i mean they SUCK, this guys beaten Forrest and Chuck and still can’t get a decent fight cuz his ppl aren’t doing the right things for him and he’s not talking himself, they need to push for fights more instead of sitting back, otherwise he aint goin far in this business and will keep getting fed…

you have a point there but, i highly doubt Rampage wouldnt take the fight he doesnt have an option in this maybe the first time around but lets say Chuck beats Shogun and Rampage beats Forrest, then chuck rests so does rampage when offered the fight i guess Rampage can say no but, what happens if chuck then goes and avenges his loss to jardine and rampage still doesnt want to fight him ok well then chuck goes and beats forrest and machida, etc… Rampage will have to take the fight sooner or later if Chuck is legitametly the #1 contender if not ppl that hate on chuck now will start backing himup and calling rampage a chickenshit, if it makes sense its also like the FRanklin , Silva situtation Silva TKOd Franklin twice and said he has no desire of fighting him no more well what if Franklin beats Lutter then Marquardt, Almeida, etc… what if he cleans out the division, dude i think it would be inebitable that there would be a Franklin-Silva 3

nevermmind I read the article….I’m a huge Chuck fan, but what was he smoking?

If Jardine vs. Wanderlei happens….I have a feeling that the winner of that fight will get 1st crack at the winner of rampage/Forrest. Therefore I believe that the winner of Chuck vs. Shogun will then face Machida and the winner of that fight will have a shot at the title.

Babalu wrote on his website this past weekend that Tito was pulling out of the Machida match up. Has anyone heard anything to confirm this claim? I wouldnt be too shocked if Tito did pull out of the Machida fight. Tito did really want to fight Machida anyway.

well if jardine beats silva he should get the next shot it would only be fair

Technically:

HW – UFC
Interim HW – Pride
LHW – Pride
MW – Pride
WW – UFC
Interim WW – UFC
Lightweight – UFC

MW ya he was a pride fighter but he came over to the ufc well before pride closed down

Chuck lost two straight against Rampage and Jardine, and he defeats Silva who was also on a two fight losing streak and he thought he deserved the title? What a joke. Rashad Evans deserves a title shot over Chuck Liddell right now.

But Chuck does get what he wants considering him and Dana are like two lovers sitting inside a treehouse. It is pretty sickening.

This is all true. Besides Chuck and Dana being butt buddies, the UFC has gotten away from giving title shots to the most deserving fighters and now title fights seem to only be awarded to the more marketable fighters. If the UFC ever wants to become a real sport, then this has to change!

San Antonio spurs are the most boring team in the NBA, but if they win all there playoff series, then they go to the finals and get the chance to become champion. The NBA is a real sport, championship games are based soley on Merit. If it was about marketing, the spurs would never have a chance at winning a title because nobody watches them. The UFC has gotten away from earning title shots and now they just try to find away to justify giving undeserving title shots to the most marketable fighters..It has to change.

I compare the Spurs to Machida….he is the most boring of the big guns at LHW, but he keeps wining, therefore he should be fighting for the title instead of marketable guys on 1 or 2 fight winning streaks fighting for the title. There are a handful of fighters at 205 lb that I would rather see fight for the title then Machida….But it shouldnt be about who we want to see…It should be about who deserves it and since all the other top competitors at best are riding a 2 fight wining streak…the title shot should go to Machida who is undefeated in the UFC.

LMAO@ Chuck believing he didn’t need to win two fights before a title shot. IMHO…he should have to fight Jardine after Shogun. I mean Rampage has DISMANTLED him twice already.

Pride better than the UFC, Chuck? Let’s see….

HW champ- Pride fighter
LHW champ- Pride fighter
MW champ- Pride fighter

HW Champ – UFC fighter (Randy)
LHW Champ – Pride fighter
MW Champ – Cage Rage / UFC / Pride / various other MMA assoc

I know its an old argument so for that i’m sorry but just making a point. I hate the Pride lovers who cling onto Silva…

LMAO@ Chuck believing he didn’t need to win two fights before a title shot. IMHO…he should have to fight Jardine after Shogun. I mean Rampage has DISMANTLED him twice already.

I think the UFC is choosing to ignore Liddell’s 1st loss to Rampage in Pride….What a joke!

I dont count Anderson as a pride fighter. He didnt make his name fighting in pride. Chuck is crazy even if he wins this fight i dont think he deserves a title shot. And if shogun wins i dont he deserves a shot at the title either. Jardine should be next in line if he wins.

Jardine doesn’t deserve a title shot yet because he got smashed out by Houston. Losing to a no name hurts you’re status more than a close decision over a fallen champion on his first fight back.

Griffin is getting a title shot because he wisely stepped up and butt raped Shogun who the entire MMA world thought was gonna cut to 185 and beat Fedor.

Chuck is just talking in an interview. He doesn’t really mean it when he say’s he deserves a title shot, it’s just promotion. Bashing out Shogun on the feet (which will happen if Shogun stands which his pride will make him do but his confidence will immediatly wane when he get’s hit by one from the outside that he won’t see) will give Chuck his title shot.

Rampage is smart enough to know winning 3 straight over any “good” fighter is a tough chore and his chances against a “great” fighter are slimmed down.

As far as title shot’s are concerned, they are becoming less important with all the great fighters and match ups.

Chuck vs. Wanderlei Two if they scheduled it in 8 weeks, would sell even more tickets than the last one.

Some fighters we just want to see fight.

If Jardine beats Silve it should be his turn.. I am not a fan of Jardine and I do like Chuck… But fairs fair! And if Chuck beats Shogun he should still have to face Jardine again (IF Jardine beats Wandi) for the title shot… or something like that.

I think what we NEED in the UFC is a 205lb 16 man GP Tournament…

A lightweight GP would be decent too!

Chuck, STFU. you lost two fights in a row, one of them to kieth jardine for gods sake. Your win over silva was a “START” in the right direction to “EARN” the right for a title shot. You would have an argument if you might have possibly beat jardine but come on, you lost two in a row, win one fight and you want a title shot? LOL

not to mention Siva was on a 2 fight oss also……lol…what the hell Eh?

finally all u people are seeing what im seeing

HW Champ – UFC fighter (Randy)
LHW Champ – Pride fighter
MW Champ – Cage Rage / UFC / Pride / various other MMA assoc

I know its an old argument so for that i’m sorry but just making a point. I hate the Pride lovers who cling onto Silva…

HW — Pride fighter (randy still holds that position technically, but if you’re running away from a fight you ain’t no champ)

LHW — Pride fighter (nothing to dispute here)

MW — Pride fighter (Anderson made his name in Pride, and the only person capable of taking it away from him is another Pride fighter, and even if you don’t count Anderson as a Pride fighter, he still was not UFC to begin with, so UFC still on the low here)

THE OTHER DIVISIONS> UFC (zuffa did not bring over any Pride fighters for these divisions).

At the end of the day, zuffa brought over Pride fighters from 3 divisions (HW, LHW and MW), Pride fighters currently hold the belt in each of those divisions, therefore Pride>UFC.

Now, I’m kind of tired with all the Pride vs UFC debates, and I usually don’t care because it’s the internet warriors that usually start this BS, but chuck should know better than to say something like that, he lost to a Pride fighter twice, how the hell does he want to show the UFC is better than Pride AGAIN???

I think what we NEED in the UFC is a 205lb 16 man GP Tournament…

A lightweight GP would be decent too!

Dana hates tourneys. He wants to have complete control of the fights, instead of (go figure) the match-ups being determined by the fight results. I think he lost all hopes in tourneys when Rampage ruined a possible Wanderlei-Chuck fight in Pride.

Jardine doesn’t deserve a title shot yet because he got smashed out by Houston. Losing to a no name hurts you’re status more than a close decision over a fallen champion on his first fight back.

Griffin is getting a title shot because he wisely stepped up and butt raped Shogun who the entire MMA world thought was gonna cut to 185 and beat Fedor.

Chuck is just talking in an interview. He doesn’t really mean it when he say’s he deserves a title shot, it’s just promotion. Bashing out Shogun on the feet (which will happen if Shogun stands which his pride will make him do but his confidence will immediatly wane when he get’s hit by one from the outside that he won’t see) will give Chuck his title shot.

Rampage is smart enough to know winning 3 straight over any “good” fighter is a tough chore and his chances against a “great” fighter are slimmed down.

As far as title shot’s are concerned, they are becoming less important with all the great fighters and match ups.

Chuck vs. Wanderlei Two if they scheduled it in 8 weeks, would sell even more tickets than the last one.

Some fighters we just want to see fight.

I dont really get what you mean by “Everyone thought Shogun was going to cut to 185 and beat Fedor”
It really doesn’t make any sense because Fedor doesn’t fight at 185 – He is a heavyweight

Chuck needs to think about who took his belt, Rampage from Pride. Wanderlei should have finished him when he knocked him on his ass in the second round(not the time he slipped). Although I think Chuck is gonna beat Shogun, there is no logic in what he is saying about the Former Pride fighters and he will never beat Rampage nor could he ever beat Hendo IMO. Honestly I am kind of tired of the Pride is better or the UFC is better arguement. Pride is in the Past and from here on out it’s the UFC and if you want to argue about the past all of the time start up an MMAMANIACLASSIC web page and you guys can dwell on the past all day.

I cant wait to see shoguns response.

Chuck can’t beat Rampage. Rampage is to chuck as Chuck is to Tito. Rampage has Chuck’s #. I don’t know why he’s in a rush to get knocked out again.

I dont really get what you mean by “Everyone thought Shogun was going to cut to 185 and beat Fedor”
It really doesn’t make any sense because Fedor doesn’t fight at 185 – He is a heavyweight

I think he meant shogun cutting weight to beat silva

Chucks not getting any younger and everyone would love to see the face of the orginization get one last shot. The one thing I liked about Chuck more than any other Champ is that he defended his title more often than any other fighter in the UFC. How many times has Rampage defended his title? I like Rampage and maybe Dana has something to do with this too but he should have at least had one more fight already. I think a champ should have to defend their belt at least twice a year.

I guess Chuck forgot about the loss to Jardine. I don’t blame him. I wouldn’t want to remember that either.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I have no urge to see Rampage/Chuck 3.

Chuck can’t beat Rampage. Rampage is to chuck as Chuck is to Tito. Rampage has Chuck’s #. I don’t know why he’s in a rush to get knocked out again.

That’s Ivy League caliber SAT work, my friend.

Chuck is really making no sense, what makes him think that he is any better than any other former champ trying to get their belft back. Rich Franklin had two fights before he fought Silva again, so did Tim Slyvia, Hughes and GSP were in unique situations. Matt had Ultimate Fighter and GSP was an injury replacement. Sean Sherk never lose so really usually when you lose your belft you have to fight and when 2 tune up fights before u get another fight. Believe me Chuck you don’t wanna see Rampage again. u couldn’t get by Jardine. Rampage would have ate him alive and thats what he is gonna do with you. Beat Shogun then maybe you can try pathetically to get the belt back. You probally won’t be champ again. sry bro. your time has passed.

chuck should never get another tite shot,ever!0-2 against page,no title agaist him

this is the deal chuck fighting shogun is another perfect fight for him and white knows that. if they really wanted to test chuck they should put him against henderson, but that want happen because henderson is a horrible match up for him, not too mention in my opinion the number 2 lhw. henderson is fight for anyone, in any division. this all about getting another rampage vs lidell match up.

HW Champ – UFC fighter (Randy)
LHW Champ – Pride fighter
MW Champ – Cage Rage / UFC / Pride / various other MMA assoc

I know its an old argument so for that i’m sorry but just making a point. I hate the Pride lovers who cling onto Silva…

I like Chuck, and always enjoy his fights. But if he were to have his way, we would see Rampage beat him over and over and over and over and……well you get it.

I read the first couple of posts wow, STILL in denial you Shogun fans, with nothing inspiring to say other than the pathetic, “if the Shogun that shows up is this one or that one” Have you not seen the latest pictures of Shogun? the videos? he literally has man boobs, big ones, has flab in his midsection, FLAB!, no toned musculature of any kind in his arms, why? because that is what happens when your body withdraws from steroids, FACE IT YOU R*TARDS!! This Shogun you call the best LWH, was manhandled like a little girl with Griffin, he gased in early second round, it’s pointless to keep writing keep believing and wishing Shogun will win, in your dreams.

I guess Chuck forgot about the loss to Jardine. I don’t blame him. I wouldn’t want to remember that either.

I don’t know about anyone else, but I have no urge to see Rampage/Chuck 3.

I guess you forgot that Forrest lost to jardine also. There are a thousand different scenarios you could come up with for a #1 contender. Forrest didn’t lose a descision like Chuck, he got knocked tha F#*k out so I can kind of see where Chuck is coming from. When it is all said and done forrest will have the same two recent losses that Chuck has. Rampage and Jardine. P.S. Forrest lost to Tito something that Chuck hasn’t done!

Technically:

HW – UFC
Interim HW – Pride
LHW – Pride
MW – Pride
WW – UFC
Interim WW – UFC
Lightweight – UFC

Yes and if you notice thoes Pride fighters didn’t juice buddy.

Apparently Chuck hasn’t let the Pride vs UFC thing go….LOL!!!

Spider Silva for the argument is a UFC Champ who made his name in Pride….Sources? The article that came out about Pride vs UFC whos the winner = neither a few days ago, He has as many fights in Pride as he does in Meca and UFC (5 fights)…

The easiest way to end this is if you go back and watch his fight vs Leben (UFC Debut)all the commentating surrounding Silva eludes to his time in Pride…

GO WATCH, and LISTEN….

• Shogun, please teach this guy a lesson…

I wanna see Machida VS Chuck… Jardine should fight Wandy and get a title shot if he beats him!

Yes and if you notice thoes Pride fighters didn’t juice buddy.

how do you know who did or did not juice up, if any? buddy?

oh right, you hear things and start your reasoning, oh wait, maybe you see a picture of a guy who was never really ripped and now he has man boobs and all of the sudden he was on the roids back in Pride. There is no need for evidence here, rumors is all we need. I can remember many pictures where chuck had a huge beer gut, but I would never think it was because he was on the juice, maybe it was because he wasn’t training properly. shogun has said that he just started training again, his fight is not going to be until june. again, when he comes into the octagon you’ll not see him built (‘cause he never was in the first place), but trust me, he is not going to have man boobs and I wouldn’t be surprised to see your boy chuck getting knocked out unconscious. Stop believing in conspiracy theories and wait ‘till the fight happens. Just because you see one bad fight doesn’t mean crap. All the great fighters have a bad night once in a while, it was not the first time and it will not be the last.

Oh yeah, and randy is not UFC champ, he doesn’t want to be in there any more, he doesn’t want to defend his title “cause he wants to fight fedor”. Give me a break, the guy is running away from competition, just like cro cop. I’ve lost respect to both fighters.

Chuck wins via stoppage in the second round. Sorry Shogun, if you had hell with forrest you are not ready for the ICEMAN!

MW — Pride fighter (Anderson made his name in Pride, and the only person capable of taking it away from him is another Pride fighter, and even if you don’t count Anderson as a Pride fighter, he still was not UFC to begin with, so UFC still on the low here)

Anderson Silva DID NOT make his name in Pride FC. He was 2 and 2 in Pride, with the last two fights being losses. Those of you that feel the need to make a tired argument of UFC vs. Pride are really digging deep when you say the UFC MW champ is a Pride guy.

Better yet, stop worrying about the organizations and just enjoy the fights.

I’m a fan of Liddell’s, but honestly this quote makes him sound like an idiot. Chuck should take a look at his career in Pride- He couldn’t even make it to the big fight with Wanderlei cause Rampage beat him down, and even the fights he won he was hurt at some point. Chuck should get a title shot when rampage loses the belt, then maybe he could avoid getting his ass kicked again by a pride fighter.

Actually

HW – UFC
Interim HW – Pride
LHW – Pride
MW – UFC (March 1st he has more fights in the UFC than in Pride. Then again, Silva was never a Pride fighter. He is a cage fighter. If you want to say he is a Pride fighter because he fought in Pride first than UFC fighter Dan Henderson had 2 out of the 4 Pride belts)
WW – UFC
Interim WW – UFC
Lightweight – UFC

finally all u people are seeing what im seeing

Agreed!

how do you know who did or did not juice up, if any? buddy?

oh right, you hear things and start your reasoning, oh wait, maybe you see a picture of a guy who was never really ripped and now he has man boobs and all of the sudden he was on the roids back in Pride. There is no need for evidence here, rumors is all we need. I can remember many pictures where chuck had a huge beer gut, but I would never think it was because he was on the juice, maybe it was because he wasn’t training properly. shogun has said that he just started training again, his fight is not going to be until june. again, when he comes into the octagon you’ll not see him built (‘cause he never was in the first place), but trust me, he is not going to have man boobs and I wouldn’t be surprised to see your boy chuck getting knocked out unconscious. Stop believing in conspiracy theories and wait ‘till the fight happens. Just because you see one bad fight doesn’t mean crap. All the great fighters have a bad night once in a while, it was not the first time and it will not be the last.

Oh yeah, and randy is not UFC champ, he doesn’t want to be in there any more, he doesn’t want to defend his title “cause he wants to fight fedor”. Give me a break, the guy is running away from competition, just like cro cop. I’ve lost respect to both fighters.

You’re a r*tard how you ask your own questions and answer them. how this and that? oh yeah wait it’s this and that. You’re a m*ron!

Anderson Silva DID NOT make his name in Pride FC. He was 2 and 2 in Pride, with the last two fights being losses. Those of you that feel the need to make a tired argument of UFC vs. Pride are really digging deep when you say the UFC MW champ is a Pride guy.

Better yet, stop worrying about the organizations and just enjoy the fights.

Anderson fought 5 times in Pride, and the reason that he made his name there is because he beat carlos newton in a devastating manner, it was all hype from there on until he lost a couple of fights there and resigned from Pride. It’s all about where you made your name, it’s the trademark. For all I care houston alexander can go tomorrow to fight for Dreams, and he can fight there for 10 fights, he’ll still be a UFC fighter in the hearts of many "cause that’s where he made his name.

And I don’t really worry about the organizations, I enjoy the fights wherever they are. I’m only speaking my mind here because it was chuck that brought up the Pride vs UFC debate again. Usually I don’t really get into the whole debate, but this is different.

You’re a r*tard how you ask your own questions and answer them. how this and that? oh yeah wait it’s this and that. You’re a m*ron!

I guess you can’t tell when someone is being sarcastic and when someone is being direct. Usually adults can differentiate between the two. Maybe when you grow up you’ll understand. This actually makes perfect sense now for you to feel the way you do, when you grow older you’ll notice adults usually rely more on evidence instead of rumors. Good growing up.

I thought he never asks for a fight and just fights who the UFC tells him to fight.

there is no pride ufc bought them.therefor ufc wins and is better,you must exist to be better.now none of you mma noobs seem to realize wanderliegh beat rampage twice badly.these are elite fighters who could win or lose to any other elite fighter at any time.chuck does have the most ko’s and title defences against other elites.i’d pay to see any mix of fights with any of these fighters repeat or not.but if you don’t fill cards with them we all lose and noone gets to argue.good luck chuck and keep on fighting at top levels.

you have a point there but, i highly doubt Rampage wouldnt take the fight he doesnt have an option in this maybe the first time around but lets say Chuck beats Shogun and Rampage beats Forrest, then chuck rests so does rampage when offered the fight i guess Rampage can say no but, what happens if chuck then goes and avenges his loss to jardine and rampage still doesnt want to fight him ok well then chuck goes and beats forrest and machida, etc… Rampage will have to take the fight sooner or later if Chuck is legitametly the #1 contender if not ppl that hate on chuck now will start backing himup and calling rampage a chickenshit, if it makes sense its also like the FRanklin , Silva situtation Silva TKOd Franklin twice and said he has no desire of fighting him no more well what if Franklin beats Lutter then Marquardt, Almeida, etc… what if he cleans out the division, dude i think it would be inebitable that there would be a Franklin-Silva 3

What r u talking about? I have heard in a couple Rampage interviews that he would love to fight Chuck as many times as he possibly could. Rampage is all about the money, and he wants to fight chuck as much as possible because beating Chuck is a HUGE pay day for Rampage and he knows he has Chuck’s number.

I am really looking forwawrd to this fight. I just hope Shogun has been training in a cage, just to get used to the surroundings. My thoughts:

1. Shogun comes back in shape and violently dismantles Chuck and gets another shot at Rampage.
2. Chuck knows he is on the brink of retirement and has nothing to loose and therefore will come out as he did against Wanderlei and win by TKO. Then rematch with Rampage, win and retire.

(In saying this, I am not sure why but I think Forrest is going to beat Rampage)

Anderson fought 5 times in Pride, and the reason that he made his name there is because he beat carlos newton in a devastating manner, it was all hype from there on until he lost a couple of fights there and resigned from Pride. It’s all about where you made your name, it’s the trademark. For all I care houston alexander can go tomorrow to fight for Dreams, and he can fight there for 10 fights, he’ll still be a UFC fighter in the hearts of many "cause that’s where he made his name.

And I don’t really worry about the organizations, I enjoy the fights wherever they are. I’m only speaking my mind here because it was chuck that brought up the Pride vs UFC debate again. Usually I don’t really get into the whole debate, but this is different.

Linx: U r absolutely right. Anderson Silva is a PRIDE fighter because all the other organizations dont count. You can either be a PRIDE guy or a UFC guy in this argument. The argument isnt UFC vs. Pride vs. Cage Rage vs. K-1. Its UFC vs. PRIDE and look back to when they were promoting the fight between Anderson Silva vs. Leben, both Rogan and Dana reffered to Anderson Silva as a PRIDE fighter….so who r u people to say he isn’t. Are wanderlei, Sakuraba and Henderson UFC fighters? they all had a couple of fights in the UFC before they fought in PRIDE. There answer is of course NOT! Those guys made PRIDE fighters. No fighter ever made it to the UFC right out of their gym…They all fought somewhere 1st. This UFC vs. PRIDE thing is getting old, but if you are going to have that conversation then stop with the nitpicking you can only be a UFC or PRIDE fighter because all those other organizations cant compare to the UFC or PRIDE.

Is Rich Franklin not a UFC fighter? He fought in Japan and the WFA….he is a UFC fighter because thats where he made his name. Linx: Props for the reference to the Silva vs. Carlos Newton fight…I will never forget that beautiful flying knee Silva cracked Newton with as Newton was shooting for a takedown. That knee couldnt have been timed more perfect. I never understood why more dominant strikers dont rty that technique when a guy is shooting on them. I wouldnt reccomend using that technique when the opponent is fresh, but after he defend a takedown numerous times (against a guy that doesnt want to stand with you), they start getting sloppy and shooting from to far away….that is a perfect situation for that flying knee.

Pride better than the UFC, Chuck? Let’s see….

HW champ- Pride fighter
LHW champ- Pride fighter
MW champ- Pride fighter

yeah but jackson fought in a cage before the ufc. he fought in king of the cage so it wasn’t new to him.

Chuck needs 2 more wins to fight for the belt

i think he should have to win 2 more fights before he should get a title shot. now if he would have bet jardine if he wins this fight yeah title shot but he lost in my eyes he needs two more wins. but forrest is getting a title shot after he lost to jardine. then jardine lost to houston and then houston lost to silva. so what is going on? jackson’s next fight is a joke! if forrest makes it through the 1st round i’ll be very shocked. griffin should not be getting a title shot. chuck should get 1 before him. but they lost 2 the same guy so i think jardine should get 1 1st. but if i want to go that way then houston and silva should get one before them. but i think thiago silva vs jackson would be a better fight. i think jackson should fight silva next and if chuck wins over shogun. and jardine losses. then he should get a title shot. honestly chuck u r way over rated. u back up when ever u fight and the time he didn’t he got knocked the f*ck out. learn how to attack. then you can b*tch. but the fighters you fought besides randy were jokes. you just grazed white and he fell what a punk. Horn old news. vitor stopped to soon. come on chuck your believing the hype. you are a good fighter just over rated.

I am a PURE mma fan. I dont I just want to see good, solid mma matches. I dont care what organization take place. I was a HUGE Pride and UFC fan. I am getting really sick of all the UFC-only-nutthuggers bashing the PRIDE guys and saying that they are inferior to the UFC fighters. How can any knwlegable, unbiased mma fan say this when the reality is that the 2 biggest important mma match ups of all time, the title Unification Bouts have taken place in the UFC, but involved only PRIDE fighters.

Think about the 2 Unification bouts between Pride champions vs. UFC champions. Has anyone noticed that even though both of those fights take place in the UFC, no real UFC fighters were even involved in those matches. Rampage vs. Henderson were both Pride fighters and Anderson Silva and Dan henderson also doesnt include any UFC fighters. So saying PRIDE fighters cant cut it in the UFC is just STUPID!

Not to mention, the Heavyweight champion of the UFC is Nogueira….who cant be labled as anything other then a PRIDE fighter. He managed to finish Big Tim, who has beaten lots of big name UFC fighters. Tim hasnt been finished in years…Since his 1st fight against Arlovski…but Nogueira finished him. Also the next Heavyweight Championship fight in the UFC will probably feature to PRIDE fighters fighting for the Belt, Nogueira vs. Werdum… So saying PRIDE guys havent held their own in the UFC is incorrect.

So now the UFC’s Heavyweight, Light heavyweight, and middle weight champions are all former PRIDE fighters.

The UFC fighters still have a hold on the Welterweight and lightweight divisions of the UFC, but then again, no Impact PRIDE fighters have yet to be added to those divisions….so what do u expect.

I love the UFC and PRIDE. But in all honesty if there was a PRIDE event and a UFC event held on the same night and I could only watch one of them and I didnt know who was fighting on the cards…..I would honestly have to pick the PRIDE event. PRIDE events featured a lot of big time match ups on the same card, while the UFC offers a co-main event and a main event that feature the Big names. The PRIDE rules and the production was so much more entertaining then what the UFC put out there.
Not to mention the PRIDE tournaments were classics.

I just ask….enough with the PRIDE bashing, who cares where they came from, we are lucky to have most of them fighting in the octagon. Instead of judging Pride vs. UFC, do what I do…just judge each guy on an indiviual basis.

This UFC Pride thing is stupid. It’s really not as simple as that. I see some people going well fighter X started here or made his name there when in actual fact you could make an argument for saying they were groomed under the banner of a different promotion.

For the last time, it’s not about the promotion, it’s about the fighters. A lot of these arguments don’t really make sense. Like Anderson Silva, oh he’s a UFC fighter because he joined the UFC before they bought Pride, or oh no he’s not he made his name in Pride. Hell you could say he was a Cage Rage dude but it really doesn’t matter. He is a UFC/Pride/Cage Rage/ etc etc fighter.

Chuck will win if this one stays standing I think.

We need to start a petition demanding that the UFC start having tournaments. Think about it…the UFC ties up its champions in the TUF show for months…stalling the title fights of that division. So while the UFC has their champions on hold why not have a tournament in that weight class. The division champion and the #1 contender wouldnt participate because they are busy taping the show, and it benefits the UFC because then the champion couldnt loose in the 1st round to a weaker opponent, diminishing his value as champion…. By the time this tournament ends, the Griffin vs. Rampage fight would be over and they could award the tournament winner by granting him the next title fight. Whats wrong with that…us fans get what we want, without risking a loss for the division championship.

We seriously need to get like a million names to sign a petitition to bring back the tournaments. Hopefully m-1 and the Japanease mma organizations can work together to give us some good tournaments. They love their tournaments in Jaopan, so if the UFC doesnt want to give it to us, then I will just enjoy the Japanease ones.

Speaking of tournaments: I hear Dream, and world victory road will be holding both a lightweight tournament and a middleweight tournament. The UFC should send some of its fighters to represent the UFC in that tournament. I am not saying to send a UFC champion over because a UFC champion loosing in an other organization makes the UFC look bad, and adds value to the other promotions, but why not throw a top five fighter, not scheduled for a title fight anytime soon over to Japan to compete in the tournamet.

Like send Frankie Edgar to represent the UFC in the Lightweight Tournament. Frankie Edgar is a dominant wrestler who is a big Lightweigt that cutts weight. He would have a really good chance at winning the lightweight tournament because he can out wrestler most lightweights in that tournament…take them to the ground where he will be able to demolish people with Knees to the head.

Rich Franklin could represent the UFC in the Japanease middleweight tournament. Why not? rich would have a great chance of winning the whole tournament which would look good for the UFC and look really bad for the Japanease companies starting the tournament. If Rich doesnt win the tournament, then it doesnt really matter because he wont get a title shot anytime soon in the UFC anyway.

Jardine should get a title shot before chuck does, even if chuck wins his next fight, he lost 2 fights why the hell does he think he deserves another title shot after one win?? He is damn lucky, cause jardine will most likely get screwed over and not given the title shot before chuck, so chuck needs to be realistic, and realize dana will give him a title shot before he actually deserves one, so he should shut up and win some more fights, i think he is afraid if he loses another fight he will be done, and then retire, but he wants to go out on the top.

I think it’s working exactly as it should for Chuck. He lost 2 …so now he needs to win 2 against legit competition. I have no problem at all with Chuck getting the winner of Rampage vs Forrest if he gets past Shogun.

The real loser in the equation is Jardine. If Jardine were flashier (more marketable) he would not be getting shoved aside right now. It’s an unfortunate fact in the UFC that flash equals cash and Jardine is skilled but “flashless”.

I agree with everything you’re saying. If Jardine gets another fight and wins against someone like Wanderlei… that should get him a hvywght championship fight…. but ‘should’ is the key word here.

I am a PURE mma fan. I dont I just want to see good, solid mma matches. I dont care what organization take place. I was a HUGE Pride and UFC fan. I am getting really sick of all the UFC-only-nutthuggers bashing the PRIDE guys and saying that they are inferior to the UFC fighters. How can any knwlegable, unbiased mma fan say this when the reality is that the 2 biggest important mma match ups of all time, the title Unification Bouts have taken place in the UFC, but involved only PRIDE fighters.

Think about the 2 Unification bouts between Pride champions vs. UFC champions. Has anyone noticed that even though both of those fights take place in the UFC, no real UFC fighters were even involved in those matches. Rampage vs. Henderson were both Pride fighters and Anderson Silva and Dan henderson also doesnt include any UFC fighters. So saying PRIDE fighters cant cut it in the UFC is just STUPID!

Not to mention, the Heavyweight champion of the UFC is Nogueira….who cant be labled as anything other then a PRIDE fighter. He managed to finish Big Tim, who has beaten lots of big name UFC fighters. Tim hasnt been finished in years…Since his 1st fight against Arlovski…but Nogueira finished him. Also the next Heavyweight Championship fight in the UFC will probably feature to PRIDE fighters fighting for the Belt, Nogueira vs. Werdum… So saying PRIDE guys havent held their own in the UFC is incorrect.

So now the UFC’s Heavyweight, Light heavyweight, and middle weight champions are all former PRIDE fighters.

The UFC fighters still have a hold on the Welterweight and lightweight divisions of the UFC, but then again, no Impact PRIDE fighters have yet to be added to those divisions….so what do u expect.

I love the UFC and PRIDE. But in all honesty if there was a PRIDE event and a UFC event held on the same night and I could only watch one of them and I didnt know who was fighting on the cards…..I would honestly have to pick the PRIDE event. PRIDE events featured a lot of big time match ups on the same card, while the UFC offers a co-main event and a main event that feature the Big names. The PRIDE rules and the production was so much more entertaining then what the UFC put out there.
Not to mention the PRIDE tournaments were classics.

I just ask….enough with the PRIDE bashing, who cares where they came from, we are lucky to have most of them fighting in the octagon. Instead of judging Pride vs. UFC, do what I do…just judge each guy on an indiviual basis.

I agree with you 100% john, btw, I never thanked you for that old school MMA video site, it’s sweet.

This UFC Pride thing is stupid. It’s really not as simple as that. I see some people going well fighter X started here or made his name there when in actual fact you could make an argument for saying they were groomed under the banner of a different promotion.

For the last time, it’s not about the promotion, it’s about the fighters. A lot of these arguments don’t really make sense. Like Anderson Silva, oh he’s a UFC fighter because he joined the UFC before they bought Pride, or oh no he’s not he made his name in Pride. Hell you could say he was a Cage Rage dude but it really doesn’t matter. He is a UFC/Pride/Cage Rage/ etc etc fighter.

Chuck will win if this one stays standing I think.

The only problem I have is when a fighter that crossed over from Pride (cough cough cro cop, cough) does bad in the UFC, all of the sudden Pride fighters “suck” and “can’t keep up” with the UFC. When pride fighters sign with a different promotion than the UFC, it’s because their “scared” of fighting “real competition”. But when Pride fighters holds belts in the UFC, than they’re not really Pride fighters (spider page), or their not really champions because their holding the interim belt (nog, even though he wants to fight the champion that is trying to run away).

Enough is enough, either everyone cares about where the fighters came from, or they don’t care. You can’t pick and choose, that’s all I’m saying.

A little off topic but Chuck is in it. Fiveounced of pain just posted this:
A UFC 81 event that took place earlier this month and featured Brock Lesnar’s highly marketed UFC debut has registered approximately 650,000 pay-per-view “buys,” according to Dave Meltzer of the Wrestling Observer.

UFC 81 took place Feb. 2 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas. Although the main event featured Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira’s victory over Tim Sylvia for the UFC’s interim heavyweight title, Lesnar, a former World Wrestling Entertainment performer who took on Frank Mir, was expected to be the event’s biggest draw.

Lesnar dominated all but the last few seconds of his fight with former UFC heavyweight champ Frank Mir and ultimately suffered a submission loss (via kneebar) at 1:30 of the first round.

Just prior to UFC 81, the UFC increased the price of its stand-definition pay-per-view broadcasts from $39.95 to $44.95. Although a small number of additional buys will trickle in (cable systems have a taped version of the broadcast available for purchase), Meltzer reports that the event will be third-highest-grossing event in UFC history — behind only December 2006’s UFC 66 event (Chuck Liddell vs. Tito Ortiz II) and July 2006’s UFC 61 event (Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock II).

So 650,000 PPV buys equals to $29,217,500 now that is the 3rd highest and the much loved Tito is on both of the top 2 PPV cards in UFC History. Why the heck doesn’t Dana and Co sign him again. Love him or hate him, he does sell PPV’s and from a business stand point it would be pretty stupid not to secure him.

I agree with you 100% john, btw, I never thanked you for that old school MMA video site, it’s sweet.

Speaking of mma video sites, Linx, if u arent aware of www.myvideofight.com u MUST check it out…its an amazing mma video website.

Speaking of mma video sites, Linx, if u arent aware of www.myvideofight.com u MUST check it out…its an amazing mma video website.

that was the one I was referring to brother!

I give the edge to Chuck but dont really care which is better between UFC and Pride.

I give the edge to Chuck but dont really care which is better between UFC and Pride.

I agree 100%. Pride is the UFC now, the UFC is Pride so who gives a shit? Hate it or love it it’s the UFC now and Chuck will win as long as he stays out of Shoguns thai clinch.

I agree 100%. Pride is the UFC now, the UFC is Pride so who gives a shit? Hate it or love it it’s the UFC now and Chuck will win as long as he stays out of Shoguns thai clinch.

I see Shogun finishing the Iceman! Shogun is a BEAST and has a ton of PRIDE. I think he showed guts by fighting Forrest as his 1st UFC fight and going into that fight injured causing him to undertrained. Forrest who is a very tough guy who was in the shape of his life had a tough time with Shogun before beating him. If Shogun was a lessor fighter who was supergasses, Forrest would have killed him. Forrest struggled during parts of the fight. Shogun clearly won the 1st round and had his moments even though he was completely gassed and lost the 2nd round. Then the 3rd round he was half dead…what did u expect.

If Shogun wasnt such a cardio machine it would be different but he s a young fighter who is known for blowing through people full steam ahead. Forrest was like the only guy who was even willing to be Shoguns 1st opponents so that has to mean something. Whether u fight a guy or not, fighters know tough guys when they see them and Joe Silva had a real tough time finding someone willing to even fight Shogun.

Many people say they saw video’s of an out of shape shogun, with tits…he must have been on ROIDS….R u guys that dumb. Shogun had ACL surgery for crying out load, he was sidelined for months without training….how the hell would u expect him to look. If you guys are counting on him to look like that in June(4 months away) against Chuck you guys will be sadly dissapointed.

As much heart as Shogun displayed by even fighting forrest with no acl and being undertrained, make no mistake about it he is embarressed and he will use Chucks chin to show America who he really is.

I think Shogun will finish Chuck no later then Round 2…Hopefully Shogun will be a nice underdog so when I bet on him, I can win some nice Fazools!

Technically:

HW – UFC
Interim HW – Pride
LHW – Pride
MW – Pride
WW – UFC
Interim WW – UFC
Lightweight – UFC

Theirs no UFC fighter that has taken a belt from a Pride fighter. Every Pride fighter has lost to one of theirs, and UFC has lost their belts to a Pride fighter.3-0

First off I can see where chuck is coming from, someone said in boxing you wouldnt get a rematch that soon after a loss?? eh!! it happens all the time in boxing, regarsless of who wins, its usually a part of the contract for a rematch!

secondly rampage only had one win over the beastman eastman before he was given a title shot, so i dont here anyone moaning about that!! And lets face the beastman wasnt exactly a title contender.

Finally this is how I see it all panning out……
First off Chuck ko’s shogun in an exciting bout in round no2. Rampage defeats griffin….. Chuck rematches and defeats rampage via a decision and goes on to defeat Jardine’s ass and reclaim his perk at the top of the 205 division!!

Is this fight in London nobody has confirmed this as yet???

First off I can see where chuck is coming from, someone said in boxing you wouldnt get a rematch that soon after a loss?? eh!! it happens all the time in boxing, regarsless of who wins, its usually a part of the contract for a rematch!

secondly rampage only had one win over the beastman eastman before he was given a title shot, so i dont here anyone moaning about that!! And lets face the beastman wasnt exactly a title contender.

Finally this is how I see it all panning out……
First off Chuck ko’s shogun in an exciting bout in round no2. Rampage defeats griffin….. Chuck rematches and defeats rampage via a decision and goes on to defeat Jardine’s ass and reclaim his perk at the top of the 205 division!!

Is this fight in London nobody has confirmed this as yet???

even if chuck beats shogun (which I highly doubt) there is no way he can go past page. it’s like franklin vs silva, page is just a bad match up for the iceman.

Chuck lost two straight against Rampage and Jardine, and he defeats Silva who was also on a two fight losing streak and he thought he deserved the title? What a joke. Rashad Evans deserves a title shot over Chuck Liddell right now.

But Chuck does get what he wants considering him and Dana are like two lovers sitting inside a treehouse. It is pretty sickening.

Not as sickening as Jorge Gurgel still being allowed to fight in the UFC just because he’s Dana White and Rich Franklin’s love child! That is truly the sickest of all!

Chuck is delusional if he thinks he deserved another instant title shot.

Other than Rich Franklin the UFC doesn’t spoonfeed title shots to anyone faster than Chuck.

Prove that UFC is better than Pride? Didn’t Rampage prove it wasn’t by kicking your ass in under a minute?

Then Hendo who’s more of a middleweight went 5 rounds with Rampage.

Says a lot about where Chuck is on the list.

If he beats Shogun he better hope Forrest will win, because Rampage is Chuck’s Anderson Silva and style wise he will lose 9 out of 10 times.

First off I can see where chuck is coming from, someone said in boxing you wouldnt get a rematch that soon after a loss?? eh!! it happens all the time in boxing, regarsless of who wins, its usually a part of the contract for a rematch!

secondly rampage only had one win over the beastman eastman before he was given a title shot, so i dont here anyone moaning about that!! And lets face the beastman wasnt exactly a title contender.

Finally this is how I see it all panning out……
First off Chuck ko’s shogun in an exciting bout in round no2. Rampage defeats griffin….. Chuck rematches and defeats rampage via a decision and goes on to defeat Jardine’s ass and reclaim his perk at the top of the 205 division!!

Is this fight in London nobody has confirmed this as yet???

Shogun will beat Chuck and Rampage may seriously Hurt Forrest…That fight wont even be close!

Yes its in London on June 14th.

Well, am sure glad liddell took the fight… SHOGUN is going to give a thorough ass beating after his loss griffen… I liked liddell, however the guy is old news now… You guys need to make room for the SHOGUN show… Looking forward to excellent fight…

#1SHOGUN FAN
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I see Shogun finishing the Iceman! Shogun is a BEAST and has a ton of PRIDE. I think he showed guts by fighting Forrest as his 1st UFC fight and going into that fight injured causing him to undertrained. Forrest who is a very tough guy who was in the shape of his life had a tough time with Shogun before beating him. If Shogun was a lessor fighter who was supergasses, Forrest would have killed him. Forrest struggled during parts of the fight. Shogun clearly won the 1st round and had his moments even though he was completely gassed and lost the 2nd round. Then the 3rd round he was half dead…what did u expect.

If Shogun wasnt such a cardio machine it would be different but he s a young fighter who is known for blowing through people full steam ahead. Forrest was like the only guy who was even willing to be Shoguns 1st opponents so that has to mean something. Whether u fight a guy or not, fighters know tough guys when they see them and Joe Silva had a real tough time finding someone willing to even fight Shogun.

Many people say they saw video’s of an out of shape shogun, with tits…he must have been on ROIDS….R u guys that dumb. Shogun had ACL surgery for crying out load, he was sidelined for months without training….how the hell would u expect him to look. If you guys are counting on him to look like that in June(4 months away) against Chuck you guys will be sadly dissapointed.

As much heart as Shogun displayed by even fighting forrest with no acl and being undertrained, make no mistake about it he is embarressed and he will use Chucks chin to show America who he really is.

I think Shogun will finish Chuck no later then Round 2…Hopefully Shogun will be a nice underdog so when I bet on him, I can win some nice Fazools!

It doesn’t take guts to fight a complete underdog as your first fight in Octagon and coming in out of shape and overweight states that Shogun was already looking past Forrest, bum leg or not. That is not heart that’s a lack of discipline, you want heart you only have to look up one name: Randy Couture! Shogun wasn’t embarassed he was humiliated by Forrest and was submitted, he lost at his own game, the ground game, a Brazilians bread and butter! And you’re wrong Joe Silva didn’t have a hard time finding a fight for Shogun there were guys lining up to fight the “Next Big Thing”, that’s as weak a statement as I have ever heard, it ranks right up there with the most overused word on this site the word “heart” to describe a fighter that always loses! “Man that guy got his ass kicked, but he has heart!” Forrest asked for the fight as soon as Shogun signed.

Chuck is going pick and pound Shogun apart!

Chuck, STFU. you lost two fights in a row, one of them to kieth jardine for gods sake. Your win over silva was a “START” in the right direction to “EARN” the right for a title shot. You would have an argument if you might have possibly beat jardine but come on, you lost two in a row, win one fight and you want a title shot? LOL

r u out of ur mind. chuck is for real again. wanderlei is a top 5 fighter and when chuck beats rua (another top 5 fighter) he WILL fight jackson for the title again

Not as sickening as Jorge Gurgel still being allowed to fight in the UFC just because he’s Dana White and Rich Franklin’s love child! That is truly the sickest of all!

LOL thats hilarious. The picture i have in my head is gurgel all bruised up after getting his ass kicked, standing behind rich franklin after franklin lost to silva the first time.

Damn i’m still laughing about your quote dude.

First off Chuck Liddell lost to jardine he didnt get beat but he lost and jardine is not a great fighter. Look chuck fought silva and it was a sorryass fight he had chances to finish silva and didnt do jack shit if he fights shogun most likely its going to decision 3 to 1 in favor of shogun and well rampage and henderson was a very slow fight kind of the like that idoit machada from brazil forrest griffin shouldnt have a title fight yet i think he needs to fight a couple more contenders to improve his technique but its going to be bloody for him because of his scar tissue but jackson doesnt have any real power now in order for forrest griffin to win this bout he needs to outstrike jackson by being fearless in his striking towards jackson because beleive it or not jackson well be surprized and cower away and to finish it griffin needs to ground and pound jackson into submission

Guys Jardine should fight forest or Rampage next…

Regardless of his marketability.

The man will be marketable if he kicks the stuffing out of everyone.

Jardine is getting ripped off and I hope he gets a chance to pound on Houston then title shot. Prove it was a fluke and get it over with.

Houston is a monster but I think he needs to fight Bonnar first just to get back on the winning track.

Bonnar could win if he uses his head for more than a place for houston to rest his knee…

Yeah, he totally should’ve had a shot at Page afer losing 2 and a decision win (not to mention losing 2x devastatingly to Page). In fact, I’d say that Page should have to fight Chuck every other fight until he finally loses to him, that way Chuck gets his title back and everyone’s happy. Obviously Chuck can be relied on as an objective opinion. What a weirdo. What planet is he from?

If Shogun doesn’t come out like the one we knew and loved from pride, something is up, like he was defo on the roids or something. And I can’t believe that Chuck is hung up on proving UFC is better than Pride, after he went into Pride and got his ass whooped. Who gives a damn? Is it even possible for one to be better than the other? Both are entertaining! Both sides have fighters that beat the other. It’s so childish and dualistic.

Anyhoo, I’m predicting a Shogun win in 3 by decision. I can’t wait to see it though. Both are going to be focused and intense.

Pride better than the UFC, Chuck? Let’s see….

HW champ- Pride fighter
LHW champ- Pride fighter
MW champ- Pride fighter

Good time to use the quote, since it won’t remain this way very long…

- Nog is old, looked like crap against Silvia and will lose his first title defense
- Rampage will lose to Griffin or Liddell
- Anderson will lose to Hendo, before GSP drops weight to take out Hendo.

I don’t see Liddell beating Rampage even if he gets a 3rd shot at him. Rampage has your number Chucky. I think Rich Franklin and Chuck Liddell should form a support group. You can even invite Tito Ortiz.

chuck will beat him like a rented mule. ko rd 2, or unanimous decision. chute boxe is taylor made for liddell. ramp aint pride, he never was. they brought him in as cannon fodder for sakuraba and they never treated him any better. he’s an american fighter and at heart a UFC fighter. coming back made him who he is and he was not the same man in the old days. now he would destroy wanderlei or shogun, and it is only liddell, the best LHW of all time, who could set him straight.

This is all true. Besides Chuck and Dana being butt buddies, the UFC has gotten away from giving title shots to the most deserving fighters and now title fights seem to only be awarded to the more marketable fighters. If the UFC ever wants to become a real sport, then this has to change!

San Antonio spurs are the most boring team in the NBA, but if they win all there playoff series, then they go to the finals and get the chance to become champion. The NBA is a real sport, championship games are based soley on Merit. If it was about marketing, the spurs would never have a chance at winning a title because nobody watches them. The UFC has gotten away from earning title shots and now they just try to find away to justify giving undeserving title shots to the most marketable fighters..It has to change.

I compare the Spurs to Machida….he is the most boring of the big guns at LHW, but he keeps wining, therefore he should be fighting for the title instead of marketable guys on 1 or 2 fight winning streaks fighting for the title. There are a handful of fighters at 205 lb that I would rather see fight for the title then Machida….But it shouldnt be about who we want to see…It should be about who deserves it and since all the other top competitors at best are riding a 2 fight wining streak…the title shot should go to Machida who is undefeated in the UFC.

I disagree that Machida is worthy of the next title shot. Even though he’s 4-0 in the UFC, he’s only beat one real contender in Sokoudjou (who was making his UFC debut at the time). I think that the most deserving person is Rashad Evans, seeing as he has gone 6-0-1 in the UFC and he’s beat some tough fighters. He has won the majority of his fights by decision, and given his propensity for boring fights I understand why the UFC hasn’t given him a title shot. I’m fine with the UFC not awarding title shots to fighters who only care about winning and not about putting on an exciting fight. I don’t think that they should be rewarded for playing it safe, they need an incentive to try and finish their fights. Tim Sylvia is a perfect example. The fans hate him so he doesn’t care if he bores them while grinding out a decision. However, fighters like Wanderlei Silva would rather put on an exciting fight and lose then play it safe and win. I think that mentality should be rewarded with bigger fights and more opportunities. Everyone always bitches about how the UFC needs to care what the fans think, and by giving opportunities to the exciting fighters they are doing just that.

I feel bad for Jardine. I mean, the guy has a knock out win over the current #1 LHW contender, AND a decision win over the former LHW champion…. what else does a guy have to do to earn a shot at the belt?

yes, Chuck. Whatever you want.

I feel bad for Jardine. I mean, the guy has a knock out win over the current #1 LHW contender, AND a decision win over the former LHW champion…. what else does a guy have to do to earn a shot at the belt?

Be flashy obviously. It seems that Dana gives cash for flash. And while it’s absolutely not “right” it’s asses in seats and PPV buys that make the difference.

Most casual fans would rather see Chuck vs the winner of Rampage/Forrest than Jardine. So Jardine gets screwed out of the shot.

Heres how this series of fights should go along with my predictions…keep in mind that I am not bashing anybody…this is just my opinion and it’s worth exactly what you paid for it….:D

Rampage vs Forrest (mandatory cause of TUF) = Rampage by TKO (strikes)
Chuck vs Shogun = Chuck by KO
Rampage vs Jardine = Rampage by KO
Rampage vs Chuck = Rampage by KO and retains the belt.

It doesn’t take guts to fight a complete underdog as your first fight in Octagon and coming in out of shape and overweight states that Shogun was already looking past Forrest, bum leg or not. That is not heart that’s a lack of discipline, you want heart you only have to look up one name: Randy Couture! Shogun wasn’t embarassed he was humiliated by Forrest and was submitted, he lost at his own game, the ground game, a Brazilians bread and butter! And you’re wrong Joe Silva didn’t have a hard time finding a fight for Shogun there were guys lining up to fight the “Next Big Thing”, that’s as weak a statement as I have ever heard, it ranks right up there with the most overused word on this site the word “heart” to describe a fighter that always loses! “Man that guy got his ass kicked, but he has heart!” Forrest asked for the fight as soon as Shogun signed.

Chuck is going pick and pound Shogun apart!

DFude How the hell would you expect him to come into the Forrest fight in good shape and strong cardio, when he wasnt able to train his conditioning because he had no leg? Lets see you get in good shape with 1 leg. As for him fighting Forrest. The only reason he fought Forrest is cause none of the other fighters wanted any part of Shogun.

I like Chuck Liddell, it’s hard not to. But to say that he deserved Rampage is even too arrogant for him. After his fight with Jardine he doesn’t deserve an easy return to a title shot. He should have to go through a couple of really tough fights to prove himself again, because his performance in the Jardine fight was embarrassing.

i wish mania would have posted dave metzlers article on ufc vs pride on yahoo sports. it was one of the best most unbiased articles written about this huge rivalry. to me what he said should be the end of it.

Good time to use the quote, since it won’t remain this way very long…

- Nog is old, looked like crap against Silvia and will lose his first title defense
- Rampage will lose to Griffin or Liddell
- Anderson will lose to Hendo, before GSP drops weight to take out Hendo.

id like to see jardine and machida fight for the #2 spot behind forrest.
i dunno why its not brought up more. i think itd be a pretty good scrap.

also, werdum doesnt deserve a title shot with his 1-1 record.
id rather see him fight mir, which could be a nice bjj match.
vera also needs to get in the cage, outside the maine-iac debacle his fights are very exciting. we need some excitement in the paper thin HW division.

Yeah, good call. It’s sort of confusing to me how the UFC seems to fast track certain fighters to belt fights while others they just seem to let sit on the sidelines no matter how well they do and how much promise they show. Vera was awesome and needs more fights. Vera vs Mir would be fun. Same with Machida, he’s been so good, and has shown so much promise, why isn’t he getting more fights. Silva too, (the guy who dismatled Alexander)with no defeats yet. Why is Liddel getting all sorts of big fights and time because of one decision win out of three?

I suppose maybe they feel like Chuck’s day is dawning and they need to squeeze as much out of him while they still can or something. I sometimes wish this thing was more of a sport and less of a marketing and moneymaking show. Right now is a delicate time for MMA. It’s either going to be a fad or it’s going to stay and be legit. If people start feeling like there’s no legitimacy, the UFC will sink back down to where it was.

I suppose maybe they feel like Chuck’s day is dawning and they need to squeeze as much out of him while they still can or something. I sometimes wish this thing was more of a sport and less of a marketing and moneymaking show. Right now is a delicate time for MMA. It’s either going to be a fad or it’s going to stay and be legit. If people start feeling like there’s no legitimacy, the UFC will sink back down to where it was.

I hope Chuck loses. I wanna see Rua make a comeback and hopefully show he really was under prepared against Forrest. He needs a convincing win though, he was totally outclassed by Griffin that night.

I agree with you. Most times the UFC makes fights based on marketability of fighters and not how much they deserve a title shot. Chuck didnt deserve a title shot straight away and should have to wait if he beats Rua, especially as I think Machida deserves a shot before him being undefeated and all. If Jardine beats Wanderlei then Liddell definately shouldnt get a title shot before either Machida or Jardine. He needs to at least prove himself against one or the other.

If Jardine beats Wanderlei then Liddell definately shouldnt get a title shot before either Machida or Jardine. He needs to at least prove himself against one or the other.

This is exactly what chuck should have to do for a title shot, he already proved that he is in the top 3 LHW for the last like 5 fucking years, so for anyone to say he needs to EARN a title shot? what the fuck is that!!! he gets caught once, has a controversial fight and everone says he’s done. It just shows who is fan and who is just jumping on the bandwagon of an upcoming fight. The only reason he isnt fighting Rampage next is because that black monster has to rip off griffin’s head first. Chuck has paid his UFC dues and does not need to prove himself against up and comers like Machida…those are the people who need to earn fights against the Iceman, not the other way around.
And how can anyone say Machida deservs a title shot? he has 4 straight wins in the octagon(jon fitch has 7)…..4!!!! and not even against anybody significant. Even when he beats tito he still will not get a title shot. He still has to prove himself against top level competition befre he even starts to think about a belt.

the first sentance was supposed to say
 “This is exactly what chuck should NOT have to do for a title shot”

Yeah, good call. It’s sort of confusing to me how the UFC seems to fast track certain fighters to belt fights while others they just seem to let sit on the sidelines no matter how well they do and how much promise they show. Vera was awesome and needs more fights. Vera vs Mir would be fun. Same with Machida, he’s been so good, and has shown so much promise, why isn’t he getting more fights. Silva too, (the guy who dismatled Alexander)with no defeats yet. Why is Liddel getting all sorts of big fights and time because of one decision win out of three?

I suppose maybe they feel like Chuck’s day is dawning and they need to squeeze as much out of him while they still can or something. I sometimes wish this thing was more of a sport and less of a marketing and moneymaking show. Right now is a delicate time for MMA. It’s either going to be a fad or it’s going to stay and be legit. If people start feeling like there’s no legitimacy, the UFC will sink back down to where it was.

-I hope potbelly chuck is reading these. if not, he needs to start taking his head out of his ass! or better yet… tell dana to do it for him!

I think it’s working exactly as it should for Chuck. He lost 2 …so now he needs to win 2 against legit competition. I have no problem at all with Chuck getting the winner of Rampage vs Forrest if he gets past Shogun.

The real loser in the equation is Jardine. If Jardine were flashier (more marketable) he would not be getting shoved aside right now. It’s an unfortunate fact in the UFC that flash equals cash and Jardine is skilled but “flashless”.

I agree, UFC matchup are not based on any ranking, its done based on which fights will gross more money for the UFC.
Chuck should be fighting Houston Alexander before getting a title bout. Jardine beat Forrest and Chuck, but he lost to Alexander.
But Shogun fight will be a good test for him, if Shogun shows up in good shape, unlike his last fight against Forrest.

-I hope potbelly chuck is reading these. if not, he needs to start taking his head out of his ass! or better yet… tell dana to do it for him!

Vera already beat Mir (First round)

Good time to use the quote, since it won’t remain this way very long…

- Nog is old, looked like crap against Silvia and will lose his first title defense
- Rampage will lose to Griffin or Liddell
- Anderson will lose to Hendo, before GSP drops weight to take out Hendo.

What the f*** are you talking about? GSP drops weight? he has to gain weight and why would he do that, fight Hendo (a light heavyweight) and GSP would be gaining weight (out of shape) to be fighting even at Middleweight.

okay, chuck is one of my fav. fighters, but he needs to beat shogun for a potential title shot, and i think once machida whoops titos ass, machida will be #1 contender. i think chuck needs to beat shogun and win a rematch w/ jardine to get a title shot.
conversely, chuck does have an edge over shogun, and i honestly see chuck catching shogun w/ a big shot that puts him down. chuck wins by KO/TKO.

I think Chuck needs another fight before he fights Rampage again. He lost to Jardine then beats Silva in on of the best fights I’ve seen in a long time. If you look what Dana is doing he has brought in Silva and now Shogun who have beaten Rampage before. If Chuck can beat them then there is no doubt that he is the one to fight for the title next. The dark horse of the UFC light heavy is Jardine though, it will be interesting to see how he goes against Silva when they fight in UFC 84. Maybe if Jardine wins again he should then fight the winner out of Liddell and Shogun because if Rampage beats Chuck easily it would be disastorous. I think there should be a bit of a lead up to it but lets hope Rampage is in shape since he hasn’t had a fight for a while. Lets wait and see Chuck is a true champion and I have no doubt in my mind that he will come beat Shogun and whom ever else then completely destroy Rampage.

Jardine aint got a shot yet cuz Houston Alexander smoked his wierd ass and Chucky got beat by the Queen of Mean so I think they both still have some provin to do but I also think Forest Gump still does to before gettin handed the title shot just cuz he beat a wounded and outta shape Shogun.Oh and Pride fighters do hold the belts and Fedor should still be President!

i was reading a comment on here and it said something like " if this were boxing it would take chuck years to get a title shot again". well that is true. but if you look at chucks record and his acheivements and how he has helped bring the UFC to where it is today more than others have than you could see that chuck deserves a title shot no matter what. I dont care if he looses a rematch for the title and then looses a thrid rematch for the title. He should be able to have a title shot anytime he wants. He has dominated more people in this business than alot of others. He has retired alot of fighters as well. When you spend 10 years in the business and give it everything you have and beat pretty much everyones ass that is handed to u and also when you tear your MCL prior to a fight. at which, during the fight you pop the tendon out on your middle finger on your left hand and continue to beat your opponents face in with that hand to get the victory, like chuck did to tito at UFC 66, I think you deserve whatever you want, whenever you want. Chuck is a pioneer and a hell of a fighter. He has coached Deigo and Forrest and look at them now. They are rising to the top. He has carried this company on his back and he will never give up until he has died in that ring, and that would consider someone beating his ass to the point where he could not defend himself anymore and i personally think that, that will never happen. Love him or hate him but either way you all still talk about him.