What a difference a year makes: The UFCs dwindling heavyweight division
Mirko Cro Cop's announcement that he will be leaving the UFC for the Japanese startup DREAM organization is just one more hit that the organization's heavyweight division has taken as of late. With Randy Couture all but departed, Andrei Arlovski with possibly one foot out the door, and Tim Sylvia wanting a raise, it might be time to bring back Jeff Monson.
Cue chirping crickets.
Don't get me wrong, the loss of Cro Cop on its own might not be the end of the world. With three fights remaining on his contract, he would have had to knock off two top contenders to bounce back from embarrassing back-to-back losses if he ever wanted even a chance at a title shot.
And let's call a spade a spade — those losses were embarrassing.
I don't need to mention Cro Cop getting his head kicked into the third row by a man known for his submission skills because the Gabriel Gonzaga knockout is on every UFC highlight reel.
Let's just focus on Cro Cop's lackluster performance (broken rib notwithstanding) against Cheick Kongo, who prior to UFC 75 had one of the more boring fights of 2007 against Assuerio Silva — the fight that featured Joe Rogan saying (and I'm paraphrasing):
"Someone needs to kidnap Cheick Kongo and put him in a wrestling camp for six months."
Keep in mind that, prior to UFC 75, Dana White went on record as saying:
"I am convinced that we will see a completely different Cro Cop (than the one who faced Gonzaga)... I still do not know who his opponent will be if he wins against Kongo, but a fight against Randy Couture for the title is possible. Anything is possible here."
White had one thing right: Anything was possible, including an apparent retreat to Japan for the once feared striker with the hopes that he might one day return to redeem himself inside the Octagon.
But what happens until then?
Consider that at one time the UFC had eight of the top 10 fighters currently listed on MMAWeekly's Top 10 Heavyweights list (as of Feb. 6) under contract. Now, to think that the organization could potentially lose -- at most -- four of those eight in less than 12 months is staggering.
And to think, just a month ago we were saying how the middleweight division is the UFC's weakest. Pshaw!
Just by looking at the dwindling talent pool in the heavyweight division, it's no wonder that a fighter with a "one-fight win streak" (if there is such a thing) is rumored to be next in line for a title shot. While Fabricio Werdum is a tough competitor, fighters named the UFC's #1 contender typically have put together back-to-back wins or better, unless they are a former champion.
But to play devil's advocate, who else could the UFC give a title shot to?
Arlovski's prolonged contract dispute is clearly keeping him from a title shot (despite recent lackluster performances), but it also might just be the smartest thing this guy's done.
Unless, the UFC is holding an ace up its sleeve — like waiting to announce the signing of Josh Barnett or some other top Heavyweight contender we're unaware of — they would be foolish not to give in to Arlovski's demands and re-sign him given the growing lack of depth in the division.
In addition, Arlovski is one of only three top heavyweight contenders with consecutive wins (the others being Frank Mir and Kongo) and he's among the most marketable fighters remaining in the division. Moreover, the last time Arlovski lost to a fighter not named Tim Sylvia was March 2002.
While there is something to be said for Frank Mir's performance against the new monster in the division, Brock Lesnar, a win over a UFC newcomer in any other division with a 1-1 record wouldn't put you in line for a title shot. Even Mir has said he expects another tune up fight before being granted a shot at Nogueria.
Remember also: This is the same man who the Nevada State Athletic Commission just last year wouldn't let fight Tim Sylvia until he proved he could beat Antoni Hardonk. Let's not let 90 seconds make us forget recent history.
Cheick Kongo -- the only other top contender with back-to-back wins -- recently gained Top 10 status in MMAWeekly's heavyweight rankings thanks to his win over Cro Cop. While he is a dominant striker, most believe his weaknesses on the ground would be quickly exposed by Nogueria should a title shot come any time soon.
While I know of no existing resource that identifies fighters currently under contract by the UFC, one consistently accurate way to judge a division's depth is by counting the number of fighters who have fought for the organization in the last 12 months — many of whom are still under contract.
With roughly 200 fighters total fighting in the UFC in the last year, some divisions are stacked more than others. The lightweight division, for example, has cleared some 61 fighters, while the heavyweight division boasts only 21.
The bottom line: the UFC needs to retain what few top heavyweight contenders they currently have and that just might mean dishing out the bucks. They did it for Cro Cop, who proved he wasn't worth it, and they should do it for those threatening to leave.
Certainly for Arlovski ... and even Sylvia. Both of them have proven over time that they belong inside the Octagon.
Perhaps just not fighting against one another.
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If AA wins impressively…I’m almost certain they will re-sign him.
by Kelvin on Feb 15, 2008 2:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If AA wins impressively…I’m almost certain they will re-sign him.
He needs to be signed win or lose.
by MMAmania on Feb 15, 2008 3:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dana’s grudges are a real weakness for the UFC. Top fighters in both the heavyweight and middleweight divisions are kept out of the league for spite. That’ snot good business.
by Scooby on Feb 15, 2008 3:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i am a huge arlovski fan and i think the ufc would be stupid not to re sign him! look at all of his history inside the octagon, huge KO wins , not to mention he is no joke on the ground. he is deff one of the most dominant hw the ufc has to offer. i know his last showing wasnt all that great however he still has it in him! he just needs a little turn around thats all. after his losses to sylvia he just fought diff because he didnt like that feeling of loss. i didnt like it either but that is just how it was. he still is an AWESOME fighter with lots of fans in the ufc. im upset his next fight might not even be telivised! i want to see him fight and just rock the competition!
by Winner by Strikes! on Feb 15, 2008 3:09 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I said it before and I will say it again. The lightweight division has been gotten SO exciting..GO HUERTA!
by Sephora MMA fans on Feb 15, 2008 3:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Everybody gotta bash Cro Cop… all aboard the hate train. If you looked at John’s article he posted on Cro Cop; he said he was allowed to leave and go to DREAMS under the condition that “He comes back when he’s ready.” He’s going to continue to keep his octagon and train in it.. I feel there is a decent chance that Cro Cop comes back to the UFC in a year or so.
by Brandon on Feb 15, 2008 3:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dana’s grudges are a real weakness for the UFC. Top fighters in both the heavyweight and middleweight divisions are kept out of the league for spite. That’ snot good business.
Very much agree. Not a Dana hater, he has made some good aquisitions and played some huge gambles well, but for a man with a high school diploma I think and hope his days of running a multi million organization are numbered. On a side note not a super Randy fan either but why is it ok to renegotiate CC contract mid way but Dana crapped a kitten when Randy wanted more?? He was supposed to be happy with what he signed eight months before. Or AA for that matter. I understand that sadly this is a promotion driven competition more so than a competition driven promotion but for a man who professes to love and want to advance the sport Dana sure does treat it alot like boxing.
by wannabe on Feb 15, 2008 3:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The UFC needs to find new heavyweight talent in the lower leagues, they need better scouts and a more professional way to approach people in different organizations.
Does WEC even have a heavyweight division?
They really missed the boat on Barnett (White: “Nobody cares about Josh Barnett.”)
They missed the boat on Fedor. (White: “Fedor hasn’t done anything in 3 years, etc.”)
Dana White should stop burning bridges with the top heavyweights and just shut up and do what is necessary to make the heavyweight division exciting again.
Barnett vs Nog would have been leaps and bounds more competitive than any match up they will have in the next year.
Nog vs Mir? might as well do this one in Abu Dhabi.
Nog vs Kongo? Might as well just have Kongo start choking himself out at the start of the fight.
Nog vs Arlovski? Exciting. Good match up. Perfect time to let him leave the organization.
Nog vs Herring. 4th time a charm? No.
Hardonk, O’Brien, Carwin, Lesnar, Carrero, Assuerio Silva, etc are all not even good enough to warrant a title shot.
UFC Needs fresh meat.
by DirtyML on Feb 15, 2008 3:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, as the official CC-nuthugger/fanboi, let me give you my thoughts on the heavyweight situation:
UFC has: BigNog, Sylvia, Werdum, Kongo, Mir
M1 has: Fedor
DREAM has: CroCop, possibly Barnett after his fight with Yoshida
Free Agents: Couture, A. Emelianenko, (maybe soon) Arlovski
This is definetly a situation where I can think easily of 2-3 exciting matchups outside the UFC, for example Fedor-CroCop II, winner by then can fight Couture in October. Either of those three against Barnett is also something I’d definetly buy a PPV for.
CroCop said on numerous occasions that he’s not comfortable in a cage and thats a reasonable enough factor for his lackluster performance at times. Then again: the Gonzaga fight can be considered a lucky fluke, especially after seeing Gonzaga going down against Randy and a very weak showing against Werdum. Considering the broken rib and numerous low blows and kicks, I was surprised that CroCop fought till the end against Kongo, but then again he could have sealed the deal with a stronger first round, so critisism is fair enough I guess.
As for the UFC HW division: how many fights can you name that’d make the main event? I can only think of two to be honest:
1) Sylvia-Mir II (probably not as exciting as the 1st, but will draw enough attention considering the highlight reel)
2) BigNog-Werdum (great BJJ artists at work, not sure if US fans like technical fights thou)
Other than those the division is pretty much dead. No one wants to see Kongo, Lesnar was burnt by Dana in his first fight and if Arlovski doesn’t turn it up a notch his career is over.
by YouTapped on Feb 15, 2008 3:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Everybody gotta bash Cro Cop… all aboard the hate train. If you looked at John’s article he posted on Cro Cop; he said he was allowed to leave and go to DREAMS under the condition that “He comes back when he’s ready.” He’s going to continue to keep his octagon and train in it.. I feel there is a decent chance that Cro Cop comes back to the UFC in a year or so.
Did you read this in the article:
White had one thing right: Anything was possible, including an apparent retreat to Japan for the once feared striker with the hopes that he might one day return to redeem himself inside the Octagon.
But what happens until then?
Other than that facts are facts. Cro Cop lost twice against two guys he was supposed to beat.
by MMAmania on Feb 15, 2008 3:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hope they dont have a budget set for the heavyweight division b/c id imagine they be close to surpasing that budget…I mean the money they paid Cro Cop, Lesnar…and so on…come on. I’m sure its over a million …base. Either get there shit together and give arlovski and sylvia the money they have earned to fight….Instead of paying guys like Lesnar 250k for 90 seconds in the octagon. Thats not the fight I as a MMA fan want to see. I order all PPV’s and I’d like to think I am paying for fighters that deserve the money i pay for a PPV. They need to re-sign Sylia and Arlovski for the fans….either that or TUF Heavyweight….lol
But ya never know
by Kevin on Feb 15, 2008 3:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
He needs to be signed win or lose.
Mania, Last time Arlovski fought was in England against Werdum. Because it took place in England, the fighter sal;aries for that event were never made public. Do you remeber how much Arlovski got paid for beating Cruz?
I ask because, Arlovski is one of the few UFC Stars who I dont know how much he makes per fight. If i knew what he has been making, it will give me a better idea of what he is asking for, and whether there is even a remote channce of him getting it.
But, I do agree that they need to re-sign him win or loose, or its just going to give more credability to the already emerging heavyweight divisions of the World Victory Road, M-1 and DREAM which are all willing to work together anyway. The UFC can afford to par Arlovski, but the Heavyweight division cant afford to loose him. Lets see him Dana man’s up pays the man whatever itt akes to keep him here.
Mania, what do u think he is asking for? a base salary of $250,000 per fight, that doubles when he wins would be my guess.
by john on Feb 15, 2008 3:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Everybody gotta bash Cro Cop… all aboard the hate train. If you looked at John’s article he posted on Cro Cop; he said he was allowed to leave and go to DREAMS under the condition that “He comes back when he’s ready.” He’s going to continue to keep his octagon and train in it.. I feel there is a decent chance that Cro Cop comes back to the UFC in a year or so.
We will see if cro cop actually honors that statement and returns to the UFC after a couple of wins. He is going to fight cans so he will have those wins, but I dont think he will ever come back to the UFC. The headhoncho’s oer in Japan, say that he will be awarded a shot at Fedor (which he desperately wants) after winning 3 straight fights. So after those 3 wins he has a choice: return to getting oyur ass kicked in the UFC, or rematch Fedor…. I dont think he will ever be seen fighting in the UFC again…..Lets hope I am wrong.
by john on Feb 15, 2008 3:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Arlovski and Tim Sylvia are two of the very few top HW fighters under contract with the ufc and they really need to keep him. they should continue to use tuf to recruit fighters and fans but should look to secure sound contracts with their current top fighters and seek to sign ben, josh, mark hunt as well as matt lindland, kang, lombard, jacare and other fighters that belong in the “big show”…bring the snowman back, too!
i am sure that the next tuf will be HW…that’s a no brainer i’m sure. nog’s defeat of big tim also brings some validation to the pridefc fighters. many think, given cro cop alone, that the ufc is far superior to the former pridefc. what i am getting at is that dana should work to bring in more talent from pride…ufc needs it badly!
by geezer on Feb 15, 2008 3:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Very much agree. Not a Dana hater, he has made some good aquisitions and played some huge gambles well, but for a man with a high school diploma I think and hope his days of running a multi million organization are numbered. On a side note not a super Randy fan either but why is it ok to renegotiate CC contract mid way but Dana crapped a kitten when Randy wanted more?? He was supposed to be happy with what he signed eight months before. Or AA for that matter. I understand that sadly this is a promotion driven competition more so than a competition driven promotion but for a man who professes to love and want to advance the sport Dana sure does treat it alot like boxing.
Yep – totally agree!
by TonyDrip on Feb 15, 2008 3:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hope they dont have a budget set for the heavyweight division b/c id imagine they be close to surpasing that budget…I mean the money they paid Cro Cop, Lesnar…and so on…come on. I’m sure its over a million …base. Either get there shit together and give arlovski and sylvia the money they have earned to fight….Instead of paying guys like Lesnar 250k for 90 seconds in the octagon. Thats not the fight I as a MMA fan want to see. I order all PPV’s and I’d like to think I am paying for fighters that deserve the money i pay for a PPV. They need to re-sign Sylia and Arlovski for the fans….either that or TUF Heavyweight….lol
But ya never know
The UFC may hae paid cro cop lots of money and he was clearly a bust, but make no mistake about it they profited off of Mirko. In his previous 2 losses Mirko was a HUGE draw for the UFC. The UFC dumped him right in time, now that his value has decreased. Mirko did whats best for him, his value has dropped off drastically here in the States, but now he moed back to Japan where he still is a GOD.
other then Mirko being the laughing stock of American mma, everything worked out great for him, I am sure he is still getting paid the big bucks in Japan, and he made some nice change in the UFC.
by john on Feb 15, 2008 3:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The UFC may hae paid cro cop lots of money and he was clearly a bust, but make no mistake about it they profited off of Mirko. In his previous 2 losses Mirko was a HUGE draw for the UFC. The UFC dumped him right in time, now that his value has decreased. Mirko did whats best for him, his value has dropped off drastically here in the States, but now he moed back to Japan where he still is a GOD.
other then Mirko being the laughing stock of American mma, everything worked out great for him, I am sure he is still getting paid the big bucks in Japan, and he made some nice change in the UFC.
Oh I’m not saying that Mirko wasn’t marketable, i was a huge Cro Cop fan before he came to the UFC. I’m sure Lesnar and Mir got some ppl to buy a not so great card as well. The point is Dana wants to make as much money off of these fighters, and pay the guys with the most senoirity as little as he can. I’m sure Dana is making tons of cash off these fights. But for the true MMA fans, i think Sylvia or Arlovski deserve 250 k per fight base salary than Lesnar does. Or even Cro Cop when he came to the UFC. I mean when i pay like 50 bucks for a PPV, I’d rather that money go to paying the salary of a UFC vet other than someone that has a professional MMA record of 1-1, i don’t care how marketable they are.
by Kevin on Feb 15, 2008 3:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ok, as the official CC-nuthugger/fanboi, let me give you my thoughts on the heavyweight situation:
UFC has: BigNog, Sylvia, Werdum, Kongo, Mir
M1 has: Fedor
DREAM has: CroCop, possibly Barnett after his fight with Yoshida
Free Agents: Couture, A. Emelianenko, (maybe soon) Arlovski
This is definetly a situation where I can think easily of 2-3 exciting matchups outside the UFC, for example Fedor-CroCop II, winner by then can fight Couture in October. Either of those three against Barnett is also something I’d definetly buy a PPV for.
CroCop said on numerous occasions that he’s not comfortable in a cage and thats a reasonable enough factor for his lackluster performance at times. Then again: the Gonzaga fight can be considered a lucky fluke, especially after seeing Gonzaga going down against Randy and a very weak showing against Werdum. Considering the broken rib and numerous low blows and kicks, I was surprised that CroCop fought till the end against Kongo, but then again he could have sealed the deal with a stronger first round, so critisism is fair enough I guess.
As for the UFC HW division: how many fights can you name that’d make the main event? I can only think of two to be honest:
1) Sylvia-Mir II (probably not as exciting as the 1st, but will draw enough attention considering the highlight reel)
2) BigNog-Werdum (great BJJ artists at work, not sure if US fans like technical fights thou)
Other than those the division is pretty much dead. No one wants to see Kongo, Lesnar was burnt by Dana in his first fight and if Arlovski doesn’t turn it up a notch his career is over.
YouTapped: I think u composed a great post. The reality in the UFC is there are no Big Time title match ups available right now.
Randy vs. Nog would be huge, but I wont hold my breathy waiting for that to happen.
Nog vs. Arlovski is the 2nd biggest title fight possible but it doesnt look like we will ever see that happen because Arlovski has 1 foot out the door.
Nog vs. werdum is a good match for the Die hard fans who truly know how good werdum is, but the majority of American fans know him as the guy who did nothing against arlopvski but bitch slap him, and he defeated an over rated Gonzaga. I think if thats the next title fight, it will be a bust because Werdum hasn’t been built up enough. I do think that by this time next year Werdum will be a much better fighter. His move to Chute Box already paid dividends in helping him put away Gonzaga. Another year with Chute Box and he will be well rounded enough to beome a scary contender.
Other interesting match ups at HW:
1. Sylvia vs. Mir 2….as you pointed out it will be big because of the highlites from their 1st encounter.
2. I really want to see this match up: kongo vs. Sylvia…this match up is the most I ever wanted to see Tim fight. I really want to see this fight happen.
3. Gonzaga vs. Arlovski would have been entertaining, but who knows if we will ever see Andre in a cage again.
Back in September the UFC Heavyweight division was looking better then ever. Most of the top HW’s were in the UFC and dana had a scheduled appointment with Fedor in which we all thought Fedor signing was just a formality and it would definetly happen. Then the BOMB gets droipped on us: FEDOR signs with M-1. that was the begining of the end. After that Randy got pissed and left. Now Arlovski is about to leave and Tim has even thought about it shortly after one of his best performances in years….. Something has to be done.
DREAM, M-1, and World Victory Road alone arent that big of a deal. But the fact that they are willing to put on shows together matching their top fighters against the other companies top fighters will provide us with great shows and some BIG Time match ups at Heavyweight. The UFC can act as big and bad as t hey want, but to some extent they have t o worry about the willingness of DREAMS, World Victory Road and M-1 working together. 2gether, those organizations can bring back PRIDE!
by john on Feb 15, 2008 3:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Correct me if I am wrong. Barnett fought Nogueira twice right? and they each one 1 fight. So if Dana were smart, he would sign Barnett and give him a titl shot against nogueira. It would be Nog vs. Barnett part 3 the rubbermatch taking place in the octagon for the title. Barnett hasnt fought in the UFC in some time now, but I think selling Barnett vs. Nogueira to the american public would be much easier then Selling Werdum vs. Nogueira.
by john on Feb 15, 2008 3:59 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If AA wins impressively…I’m almost certain they will re-sign him.
If AA doesn’t impressively beat that spare part Blanket O’Brien then he doesn’t need to be in the UFC anyway.
by PW on Feb 15, 2008 4:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve got it!! Put BJ Penn in with the heavies!!
by Ryan on Feb 15, 2008 4:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i am a huge arlovski fan and i think the ufc would be stupid not to re sign him! look at all of his history inside the octagon, huge KO wins , not to mention he is no joke on the ground. he is deff one of the most dominant hw the ufc has to offer. i know his last showing wasnt all that great however he still has it in him! he just needs a little turn around thats all. after his losses to sylvia he just fought diff because he didnt like that feeling of loss. i didnt like it either but that is just how it was. he still is an AWESOME fighter with lots of fans in the ufc. im upset his next fight might not even be telivised! i want to see him fight and just rock the competition!
like u said his last fight was not that impressive…….BUT it was a win…..DANA….what r u thinking….the rest of his resume speaks for its self….AA is just incrediable….I also cant belive its not being telivised….I’m pissed that its not..
by Bruce on Feb 15, 2008 4:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am not kidding..if AA wins and the UFC dont sign him and Werdum get a title shot I will never buy another pay-per-view again from the UFC……and I have purchased 90% of them in the last 2.5 years and the other 10% i went to the Bar…..But still I guess I will only watch 10%……Dana…please do the right thing!!!
by Bruce on Feb 15, 2008 4:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Even if Arlovski wins and resigns with the UFC he has a short list of top level talent to fight. It goes about as far as Nog Slyvia Werdum and Kongo two of whom he has all ready fought. Dana screwed thw pooch letting so many good HW’s get away from the UFC
by Bobby D on Feb 15, 2008 4:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
“Certainly for Arlovski … and even Sylvia. Both of them have proven over time that they belong inside the Octagon.
Perhaps just not fighting against one another."
I hear you there Mania. Andrei will win if they fight again though. He will beat Nog too. If Crocop ever does come back Arlovski will retire him…And I’m a Crocop fan. Here’s the thing, remember how everyone was talking up Vera particularly about his potential and how young he is, well Andrei is what 29!!! I know he is somewhat of a veteran but if he is here to say I expect another reign of terror.
by RobH86 on Feb 15, 2008 5:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The headhoncho’s oer in Japan, say that he will be awarded a shot at Fedor (which he desperately wants) after winning 3 straight fights. So after those 3 wins he has a choice: return to getting oyur ass kicked in the UFC, or rematch Fedor…. I dont think he will ever be seen fighting in the UFC again…..Lets hope I am wrong.
With the UFC out from under CC’s contract, I think it’s very likely they’ll have the resources to resign AA. AA has too many fans and too much history with the UFC for them to let him walk. If AA signed elsewhere, the UFC would take a big hit. I wouldn’t be surprised if AA is the one holding up the contract negotiations.
If I were CC or AA, I would want to fight Fedor too. Put yourself in some of these guy’s shoes. If you were a heavyweight right now, how bad would you want to face a paper champion like Fedor? I would be chomping at the bit for that fight. With how highly regarded Fedor is, and how beatable I think he is, you’re status skyrockets with a victory.
AA should be trying to get a fight with Fedor anyway possible. He becomes so much more marketable. I think it’s possible that AA will leave to fight Fedor unless the UFC makes an offer he can’t refuse.
by Andy on Feb 15, 2008 5:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mania, at UFC 82, Dana White and Big Nog are the guest for the Question and Answering segement for us Fight Club Memembers. I am actually going to ask Dana what the hell is going on with the Heavyweight Division, and what Nog Thinks of it.
I think it is very weak, there are only 2 elite fighters, Slyvia and Nog in that, then the rest are underneath them. I think Vera, Kongo, O’Brien, AA, Herring are good fighters with potential to be great (Look at AA) but yet this heavyweight division is god awful, but hey Ben Rothwell is still a free agent, Dana does not want him which is shit.
by "Mr. NC-17" on Feb 15, 2008 5:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Vera is a bomb fighter, throw him into the mix, start building him up, the guy is GOOD!!
Broke a hand in rd 1 with Tim and went all the way still making it a fight!!
by The Anomaly on Feb 15, 2008 6:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i am a huge Arlovski fan, if the ufc doesnt resign him, i will follow his fight elsewhere….bottom line and thats just ppv’s Dana will lose out on. and im sure im not the only one taht feels this way.i would love for him to stay with the ufc and you cant blame AA for going where the money is…he has been very loyal to the ufc and they need to take care of their guys!
by jdawg on Feb 15, 2008 6:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Silvia belongs in the UFC?…pfft maybe managing the snack tray
“HEY TIM, HANDS OUT OF THE CUPCAKES! I’M NOT GOING TO WARN YOU AGAIN!”
by Steve on Feb 15, 2008 6:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Here is a thought…get rid of HW, and instead bring in the featherweights or 145lbs. The UFC could set up some BOMB fights!!! I think Faber is the champ in WEC, right? I think him and Pulver are next up, right? Hey…until the UFC cleans up this heavy weight mess, why not try to expand the divisions a little bit? Another thought is to split the HW class….205-235 and 235-265 makes the most sense to me.
by The 518 Playa on Feb 15, 2008 7:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
keep arlovski, sign barnett, sign alexander emalienenko (which won’t happen) sign ben rothwell, if dana white signed alexander and treated him NICELY fedor would sign which would bring back couture, for the record i believe none of these things will happen. but if they did you’d have a nice heavy weight division
while i’m at it bring in nick diaz whatever happened to genki sudo? there has gotta be more brazilians, koreans, russians, thai fighters (not star wars dumbass), japanese or other foreign fighters. it seems that the ufc is trying to market a certain type of fighter. It needs to go and SCOUT out the world better there are many different places in this world with a lot of badasses. I got a question how come there is never a fighter on the TUF that doesn’t speak english,either well or at all? We all know the answer, and that’s my point. I’ve seen lots of martial arts shows, seminars, classes and such and i’ve seen some very good fighters and i’ve never even left California, for mma stuff that is. Anyways bottom line spend a little on scouting and you’ll find CHEAP talent, if you can fight we’ll watch, who gives a damn about names, a couple years ago we didn’t know who tyson griffin was,clay guida was,or half the LW’s we do now because they can fight, fact is the LW’s are technically the newest division yet it’s arguably the most exciting. We didn’t know any of the lightweights other than bj and barely pulver, who had to be marketed to the newer fans who had never seen the earlier ufcs.
SCOUT THE WORLD, like baseball for christ’s sake
by creagach on Feb 15, 2008 7:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
The UFC needs to find new heavyweight talent in the lower leagues, they need better scouts and a more professional way to approach people in different organizations.
Does WEC even have a heavyweight division?
They really missed the boat on Barnett (White: “Nobody cares about Josh Barnett.”)
They missed the boat on Fedor. (White: “Fedor hasn’t done anything in 3 years, etc.”)
Dana White should stop burning bridges with the top heavyweights and just shut up and do what is necessary to make the heavyweight division exciting again.
Barnett vs Nog would have been leaps and bounds more competitive than any match up they will have in the next year.
Nog vs Mir? might as well do this one in Abu Dhabi.
Nog vs Kongo? Might as well just have Kongo start choking himself out at the start of the fight.
Nog vs Arlovski? Exciting. Good match up. Perfect time to let him leave the organization.
Nog vs Herring. 4th time a charm? No.
Hardonk, O’Brien, Carwin, Lesnar, Carrero, Assuerio Silva, etc are all not even good enough to warrant a title shot.
UFC Needs fresh meat.
Well put
by Big Ox on Feb 15, 2008 7:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dana White has totally screwed up the division. He needs to get some of the top guys out there and pay for them, and pay to keep the ones he has.
by Big Ox on Feb 15, 2008 7:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
All the UFC has to say is; ‘the best fighters fight in the UFC’ and as long as they repeat themselves over and over they will continue to make the most money. Plus, they can say the have the best fighters b/c the other HW’s r 2 chicken to come and fight….i don’t agree, but business is business.
by The 518 Playa on Feb 15, 2008 8:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Silvia belongs in the UFC?…pfft maybe managing the snack tray
“HEY TIM, HANDS OUT OF THE CUPCAKES! I’M NOT GOING TO WARN YOU AGAIN!”
r u saying hes not good enough to fight n the ufc? i know a lot of people dont like them because they cant form there own opinions and have to listen to others, but he is a good fighter
by keystone on Feb 15, 2008 8:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only one that still thinks a great fight would be Lesnar vs Tim S? Lesnar and Tim wouldn’t have to worry about submissions and we can see if someone can finally overpower Tim’s reach advantage. Randy did great against Tim but I wouldn’t call it brutal power; it was more strategy.
Dream has some decent talent and the allure of being able to cross promote with competitors would cause a great unification for MMA.
I am not for lowering a person’s fight salary while under contract if they indeed have a contract due to poor performance and vice versa. I think there is definately a double standard with the MMA fighter and a so called standard professional athelete (in favor for the professional athelte.) I love the idea of what Mark Cuban is doing with mixing up the pot with his added on lawsuit with Randy. All I read about is how he treats MMA fighters like his professional athletes and how impressed they are with him.
Dana helped start this revolution and derserves a lot of credit, however to evolve with the sport he would be wise with taking notes from Mark who is a proven businessman on many fronts.
Sorry for the ranting…. I am done now.
by rubin on Feb 15, 2008 8:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You guys already see who Barnett is fighting in March? This is a fight I have no interest in watching, I just want to know the results after.
by The 518 Playa on Feb 15, 2008 10:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think Dana is taking the, “I would rather have fighters lose in an entertaining way, than a fighter win in a boring way” to the extreme here. If the winning to get a shot at the belt doenst mean anything, why have a belt? Lets just have a bunch of brawls, throw some jagerbombs down during the fights and call it a night.
No one thought that the Baltimore Ravens in 2001 were too exciting nor the Ohio State Buckeyes in 2002, but they were great teams. This concept of having to be exciting is a little to toughmanish for me.
by muto on Feb 15, 2008 10:02 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been telling people this recently as well. It seems that in most organizations, the UFC, WEC, ect. the heavyweight division is lacking in amount of fighters as well as amount of talented fighters.
by WEC Forums on Feb 15, 2008 11:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
thats just the way genetics works. there’s going to be less heavyweights and lightweights, with the greatest number being in the middle, in the form of a bell curve.
by kitsunex on Feb 15, 2008 11:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
DREAM has Kharitonov and Monson also as they may be fighting each other ath their first event.
by ET on Feb 15, 2008 11:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
If this has already been discussed sorry for missing it, but does anyone know when Carwin is making his debut? Junkie?
by fightfan51 on Feb 16, 2008 1:04 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Dana’s grudges are a real weakness for the UFC. Top fighters in both the heavyweight and middleweight divisions are kept out of the league for spite. That’ snot good business.
Well said. Don’t get me wrong, I thank Dana for all he has done and I think alot of people tend to forget that…but his grudges are very real and they are affecting possible great, great match-ups! Let’s keep this sport as clean as we can for future events to come! The sport, the fighters and the fans ALL come first!
by Oddchild on Feb 16, 2008 1:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i tried to say this for a month now the heavyweight class is in turmoil, they need new guys, and with cro cop gone they could re sign arlovski easy with the money they spaired, they have too, right now they can’t afford to let him walk away
by bryant on Feb 16, 2008 9:49 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well said. Don’t get me wrong, I thank Dana for all he has done and I think alot of people tend to forget that…but his grudges are very real and they are affecting possible great, great match-ups! Let’s keep this sport as clean as we can for future events to come! The sport, the fighters and the fans ALL come first!
Speaking of Grudges, Matt Lindland had an interview on Tagg radio this week. He said he contacted the UFC and told them to make him an offer. dana had Joe Silva call him and say we wont be offering you a contract. Why the hell in the world would t he UFC just dismiss a world class fighter like Lindland with out even trying to negotiate a contract with him….What a joke….Is anyone as pissed about this as I am?
If anyone has answers to these questions I would appreciate it:
What has Arlovski been making in his last couple of fights?
Just out of curiosity, how much does the IFL pay its fighters?
If the UFC isnt going to start a new 145 lb division, maybe they should consider putting some of Urijah Fabers title fights onto UFC card’s, so they could kind of introduce the 145 lb division. After all, there are going to be 2 big time title fights happening at 145 lb within the next year: Faber vs. Pulver, also I would like to see Faber vs. Leanord Garcia.
by john on Feb 16, 2008 10:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I’ve read this page from top to bottom and can’t believe that one name has been left off… Brandon Vera.
I know he’s coming off a loss but give him a bit of credit he broke his hand in the first round and from there Tim just suffocated him. Proir to that he had 8 or 9 straight wins including vs Mir.
I think Vera although undersized has the ability to string some wins together and shake up the division.
Ha i’ve just changed my mind, can you imagine Brock in the cage with Vera, he’d use him as dental floss.
Vera’s too small, H/W division is fuc*ed.
by Nick J on Feb 16, 2008 10:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
i see vera as a true LHW.
like bisping dropping to MW
by creagach on Feb 17, 2008 2:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I hope that the UFC does sign Arlovski back win or lose. I wish that his next fight would be televised. I know one person not ordering the fight on pay per view isn’t going to hurt the ratings or anything, but if he wasn’t fighting, it would be a must to order that fight. I just Arlovski will be having a title shot real soon.
by E. Fairway on Feb 17, 2008 1:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I got a question. What ever happened to Mark Hunt?
by B.P.D.H. on Feb 17, 2008 6:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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