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UFC Quick Quote: Former champ Tim Sylvia seeks greener pastures

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"i have one fight left on my contract i want to stay with the ufc but i am going to go were the money is right now Brock is making more m0ney then me that has to change i have a better name then him and i am a better fighter then him, i case u didn't know my manager runs m1 so i have a pretty good in so we will see what happens in the next few months. "

-- Former heavyweight champion, Tim Sylvia, checks in on his forum after the submission loss to Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira at UFC 81: "Breaking Point" on February 2. "The Maine-iac" -- who has been with the organization since 2002 -- earned $100,000 for the spirited effort, as well as pocketed an extra $60,000 for the "Fight of the Night." Lesnar earned $250,000 for his loss to Frank Mir and would have netted significantly more with a win.

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Bye bye Tim, dry hump the M1 fence instead.

by UKmmaBOY on Feb 8, 2008 9:23 AM EST reply actions  

great news. gtfo.

by ActionJackson on Feb 8, 2008 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

I think Randy started an avalanche…whatever, the ufc has given Sylvia how many title shots??? Hes making plenty of money to live off of and fund his hunting expeditions, most people bought that ppv for lesnar so he deserves it, and if tim doesnt understand that, then i dont know who can explain that to him…….anyways, mmamania, i was watching old Pride show yesterday, and there was a commercial for Henderson vs Silva, and it also said Keith Jardine is fighting, I wasnt aware of this, is it real? If so do you know who?

by mma dude on Feb 8, 2008 9:30 AM EST reply actions  

Hope Dana wasn’t listening. Timmy should have talked to AA about not wanting to re-sign with the UFC.

See you next year Timmy.

by Andy on Feb 8, 2008 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord slit you, Timmah…

by BigRedOne on Feb 8, 2008 9:33 AM EST reply actions  

DOH!! Split, I meant split!!

by BigRedOne on Feb 8, 2008 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

I think Randy started an avalanche…whatever, the ufc has given Sylvia how many title shots??? Hes making plenty of money to live off of and fund his hunting expeditions, most people bought that ppv for lesnar so he deserves it, and if tim doesnt understand that, then i dont know who can explain that to him…….anyways, mmamania, i was watching old Pride show yesterday, and there was a commercial for Henderson vs Silva, and it also said Keith Jardine is fighting, I wasnt aware of this, is it real? If so do you know who?

What?!?!?!?!?!

Pride is done, and Henderson and Silva have fought in the past most recently a KO by Hendo. And Jardine has never had a fight in the PRIDE FC. Only UFC… Are you running a fever?

by BustYoFace on Feb 8, 2008 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

“my manager runs m1 so i have a pretty good in so we will see what happens in the next few months.”

Well, we know one thing that wont happen: you fighting Fedor. Or anyone else with a reasonable chance at beating Fedor. M1 is a joke at this point.

by No1Dad on Feb 8, 2008 9:38 AM EST reply actions  

What?!?!?!?!?!

Pride is done, and Henderson and Silva have fought in the past most recently a KO by Hendo. And Jardine has never had a fight in the PRIDE FC. Only UFC… Are you running a fever?


I’m pretty sure he means the upcoming March fight with Anderson Silva and Henderson. I haven’t heard anything about Jardine on that card.

by vin on Feb 8, 2008 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

I am not a fan of proffessional wrestling but i do know they have a loyal following. That is the reason Brock got such a big contract. Cause his name alone brought in many more buys on the PPV then Sylvia did. I know quite a few people that are wrestling fans got the fight just to see him. And getting them to watch it might turn them into future fans. As for Tim leaving , good riddens, I wish they would put him and Brock up against each other.i think brock would make him look like the punk he is. i know brock isnt a seasoned vet by any means but he did impress me against Mir. For only doing this for a year or two he looked good.Got caught making a rookie mistake. I would like too c silvias 2nd ever fight, i could be wrong but i doubt it would be very good.as for Jardine fighting at 82 it must have been a mistake..they already got 10 fight on the card.which is already more than i ever saw.

by Wallace9947 on Feb 8, 2008 9:42 AM EST reply actions  

Maybe he’ll get the Arlovski treatment?

by bob jones on Feb 8, 2008 9:46 AM EST reply actions  

Sure, Sylvia has a bigger name in regard to MMA, but when it comes down to the population overall, most people have probably hear of Brock Lesnar versus Tim Sylvia. It’s the huge draw of new fans that Lesnar is bringing in that makes him the big bucks.

by Griffinfan05 on Feb 8, 2008 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

This is off topic but I think a match between Marcus Davis and Chris Lytle would be awesome. I still believe that Davis’s next fight should be someone in the top 10 or top 5, but a match against Lytle would be fireworks!

by Griffinfan05 on Feb 8, 2008 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

He’s just sour… because he lost to NOG he is not in a position to re-negotiate his contract for more money, so no more money for Tim in the UFC, I recon it might be a half bluff to see if he can get a few more pennies out of Dana White… yeh, good luck

by ToeLock on Feb 8, 2008 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Can you see the next announcement? Sylvia vs. Lesnar. Let’s see Timmy get pounded like Jenna before Tito. He won’t even know what hit him. Then we can watch him run off to M1 and get that “big money” for fighting a bunch of other over-hypes and wash-ups. So long Timmy, thanks for all the years of boring-ass fights and lame excuses, you will most certainly will not be missed!

by Jason on Feb 8, 2008 9:58 AM EST reply actions  

Sweet balls, see ya later sloppy tim

by Steve on Feb 8, 2008 10:00 AM EST reply actions  

Don’t let the door hit you where the good Lord slit you, Timmah…

You had it right, don’t let the door hit him in his vagina on the way out.

by Jason on Feb 8, 2008 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

u guys are haters

by EazyEismydad on Feb 8, 2008 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

im not a tim fan but i would hate to see him go, the heavyweight division is awfully bad right now,since randy left their is alot of talk now about fighter saleries.i mean i see where tims coming from like it or not he was a former champ and brock submits in 90-seconds and makes $250.000 for tapping ,im mean i can see why the veteran is angry,but i really think he should have beat big nog i think that his title reighn is gonna be short.

by ORTIZ!!!!!!08....BABY! on Feb 8, 2008 10:11 AM EST reply actions  

Like 99% of the population I’ve never been a fan of Tim; but the UFC does need him. This time next year Fedor, Randy, AA, Big Tim, Josh Barnett, & Alexander E could all be fighting in a M1/Elite SC/HD Net Fights Co-op.

And if that works out, and it should the flood gate will open up for the rest of the weight classes. If you were a fighter what would you rather do, fight for 3 league alliance or be locked into one promotion? If the money is decent give me the freedom the former will offer any day of the week.

by Eric on Feb 8, 2008 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

I really hate tim sylvia and don’t care if he goes or not, but I do see his point. Regardless of his drawing power, brock lesnar did only have one MMA fight against a tomato can. Tim sylvia is a two time heavyweight champ and has fought some serious competition (albeit in a boring fashion at times).

$250,000 per fight (and probably double that to win) is a lot to pay for a guy who talks in the 3rd person and has a 1-1 record at this point.

by fidel cashflow on Feb 8, 2008 10:14 AM EST reply actions  

Sweet – one more reason NOT to watch any M1 fights.

Not to mention, I hope Tim’s next fight is WITH Brock because I bet you anything Brock pounds his face in because Tim is not anywhere close to Mir on his back and that’s exactly where Brock will put him.

by EdenMachine on Feb 8, 2008 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

You know big Timmy could hardly contain himself when he was saying that his manager runs M1. He thinks he’s holding a fist full of aces while Dana’s about to low-ball him under what he’s paid now. If only to be a fly on that wall.

by UFCAddict on Feb 8, 2008 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

Am I the only one here that wishes millionaires like Tim Sylvia would learn a little grammar, spelling, and punctuation? This forum post would drive my high school English teacher completely nuts.

Let me fix you up here Timmy.

“[CAPITAL] i have one fight left on my contract[PERIOD] [CAPITAL]i want to stay with the ufc[COMMA] but [CAPITAL]i am going to go [SP:WHERE]were the money is right now[PERIOD] Brock is making more [TYPO, THAT’S OKAY MAINE-AIC]m0ney [SP:THAN]then me[COMMA, ADD and] that has to change[PERIOD] [CAPITAL]i have a better name [SP:THAN]then him[COMMA] and [CAPITAL]i am a better fighter [SP:THAN]then him, [TYPO, IN]i case [TWO MORE LETTER, AND YOU’D HAVE “YOU”]u didn’t know[COMMA] my manager runs [CAPITALIZE MAN, YOUR MANAGER RUNS IT – SHOW SOME RESPECT]m1[COMMA] so [CAPITAL]i have a pretty good in[PERIOD] [CAPITAL]so we will see what happens in the next few months.

Geesh!

My man put one comma, and one period at the end of the whole joint. Here’s my ideas for his new nickname in M1:

Tim “Run-On-Sentence” Sylvia
Tim “Bigger THEN” Sylvia
Tim “The Great Lowercase i Am” Sylvia
Tim “Punctuation Can Kiss My Ass” Sylvia

by Travis on Feb 8, 2008 10:20 AM EST reply actions  

Tim needs to install a filter between his brain and his mouth.

by A Lynch on Feb 8, 2008 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

I am shocked that so many of you act like this is no big deal. As boring as Tim has been in the past 2 years, he is still an Elite Heavyweight and if you guys haven’t noticed, Top Notch Heavyweights are scarce in the UFC. For once, Sylvia did exactly what he said would do in the fight against Nogueira. He fought like his old self, trying to KO big Nog instead of trying not to loose. Although he lost, he has got to get some of the credit for making that fight as exciting as it was. Whether we like it or not, he is a 2 time UFC Champion that is hard to defeat.

This should serve as a big wake up call to Dana. How many top fighters does the UFC have to loose before Dana changes his ways and stops giving these fighters reasons to look for “greener pastures”? This wouldnt be that big of a deal, if the UFC didnt already loose Randy and if Arlovski wasnt 2 months away from leaving the UFC. This has to stop now! If Dana wants to play hardball and let all these fighters leave then I hope the Fertita brothers replace Dana with someone who wont let this happen anymore!

by john on Feb 8, 2008 10:22 AM EST reply actions  

Bye bye Tim, dry hump the M1 fence instead.

perfect

by DJ Pullout on Feb 8, 2008 10:24 AM EST reply actions  

The sooner I don’t have to watch him “lean-and-pray” his way to victory the better. The sad thing is he had a long haul as champ and Brock Lesnar is more popular than Tim just one fight in, and it was a loss.

by nick on Feb 8, 2008 10:28 AM EST reply actions  

the man is right, bottom line

by lee on Feb 8, 2008 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

Speaking of Heavyweights..I wish the UFC would sign Sergei Kharitonov…He is an animal who belongs in the UFC cage.

Ha……“How u Doin?”
-Norbit(Rasputia) …lol

by john on Feb 8, 2008 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

“I have a better name than him Brock” – Tim Sylvia

Does he mean a bigger name than Brock? If so, I’d actually argue that one. When Tim Sylvia is the main event of a PPV, the casual fans do not order it, only the hardcore fans that order every PPV. However, when Brock is on a PPV, of course the hardcore fans will order, but so will many other casual fans, including fans of the wwe. So Tim does not have a bigger name than Brock Lesnar.

“and I am a better fighter than him (Brock)” – Tim Sylvia

Really can’t argue that one, but I would LOVE to see that fight go down. Especially since Brock was the one to coin the term “webbed feet” when talking about Timmay. I don’t think that Brock would stay standing with Tim for more than 3 seconds, he put Tim right on his back. Tim does not have a Mir-like guard. So a GnP win for Brock would not be out of the question. If fact, if Brock was a plus 200 underdog, I’d put money on him.

by ViolentMike on Feb 8, 2008 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

This might sound sort of WWE-ish, but the UFC and the HW division need Tim as a sort of bad guy, or heel in the professional wrestling vernacular. I can’t remember anyone on this forum ever writing ‘hey, I need to order this PPV because Big Tim is on it,’ but everyone tunes in hoping to see him take a beating. Tito does the same thing in the LHW division, although almost nobody considers him a title contender. You also have Karo, and to a lesser extent Burkman in the WW division and Sherk in the LW division to generate the animus necessary for a compelling fight. Yes, Tim has had his share of boring fights, but he has also been in plenty of exciting fights. Dana needs to pony up and keep him.

by PW on Feb 8, 2008 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

This is off topic but I think a match between Marcus Davis and Chris Lytle would be awesome. I still believe that Davis’s next fight should be someone in the top 10 or top 5, but a match against Lytle would be fireworks!

It has been “rumored” that Davis will be fighing a Top FIVE WW in his next fight! GSP and Serra are booked to fight. Fitch is fighting Wilson, Karo is fighting Alvez. Could Marcus Davis possibly be fighting Matt Hughes? I couldn’t imagine Hughes wanting to take that fight though. Who could this mysterious Top 5 opponent be.

by ViolentMike on Feb 8, 2008 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

“I have a better name than him Brock” – Tim Sylvia

Does he mean a bigger name than Brock? If so, I’d actually argue that one. When Tim Sylvia is the main event of a PPV, the casual fans do not order it, only the hardcore fans that order every PPV. However, when Brock is on a PPV, of course the hardcore fans will order, but so will many other casual fans, including fans of the wwe. So Tim does not have a bigger name than Brock Lesnar.

“and I am a better fighter than him (Brock)” – Tim Sylvia

Really can’t argue that one, but I would LOVE to see that fight go down. Especially since Brock was the one to coin the term “webbed feet” when talking about Timmay. I don’t think that Brock would stay standing with Tim for more than 3 seconds, he put Tim right on his back. Tim does not have a Mir-like guard. So a GnP win for Brock would not be out of the question. If fact, if Brock was a plus 200 underdog, I’d put money on him.

Hell yeah, i would bet Brock in a second. At this point in time Sylvia is a far better MMA fighter then Brock…FACT! However, Brock is a nightmare match up for Sylvia, he would take him down instantly and Tim would never get backl to his feet again.
All Tim would be able to do is throw his awkward legs up for those weak trianglechoke attempts, and he woiuld not be able to catch Brock in a submission. tim has 1 fight left on his contract and if Dana oesntplan on paying the money Tim is asking for and it becomes clear that Tim will leave the UFC, look for Dana together a match up between Brock vs. Tim as Tim’s farewell fight. Its a real bad match up for Tim and Brock could make a name in mma off of beating Tim early in his mma career.

by john on Feb 8, 2008 10:51 AM EST reply actions  

It has been “rumored” that Davis will be fighing a Top FIVE WW in his next fight! GSP and Serra are booked to fight. Fitch is fighting Wilson, Karo is fighting Alvez. Could Marcus Davis possibly be fighting Matt Hughes? I couldn’t imagine Hughes wanting to take that fight though. Who could this mysterious Top 5 opponent be.


Well, even though I am a Hughes fan, I would be rooting for Davis. I’ve been a big Marcus Davis fan since his first fight in the UFC. It would be a dangerous fight for Hughes. I think Hughes should jump up to middleweight and have 1 fight against Kampman or another top contender and then fight for the belt, win or lose he should then retire.

by Griffinfan05 on Feb 8, 2008 11:09 AM EST reply actions  

I hope he leaves UFC, he’s the most boring fighter to ever held a belt!

by JonnyBoy on Feb 8, 2008 11:22 AM EST reply actions  

I’m pretty sure he means the upcoming March fight with Anderson Silva and Henderson. I haven’t heard anything about Jardine on that card.

haha sorry if that wasnt clear…Vin had it right…I was watching Pride reruns on FSN with Glazier and Trigg…it cut to commercial for Henderson vs. Anderson Silva “Pride of the Champion” it said also on the card Jon Fitch, Cheik Kongo, and Keithe Jardine…even showed a clip of Jardine dropping Chuck….nothing about Jardine is on the UFC website, and no rumors on any website about him being on this card, but I swear he was on the commercial…it must have been an error

by mma dude on Feb 8, 2008 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

I would LOVE to see Tim fight Brock Lesnar. that would be a first round knockout

by dpb on Feb 8, 2008 11:30 AM EST reply actions  

tim silvia vs brock lesnar..

“i hope”

by mad_drummer on Feb 8, 2008 11:32 AM EST reply actions  

If Tim Sylvia fought Brock Lesnar, Tim will win.

Anyways, he has a right to feel the way he does. If he feels that the money isnt right in UFC he is free to go after his contract os over. Thing is if he goes to M-1 he will most definitely be matched up with Fedor. I personally would like to see him fight Brock and Fedor.

by bostonmmajunkie on Feb 8, 2008 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

Dana…..should have Lesnar vs sylvia $5000 for showing up and and extra $150000 to winner…….lol………Maybe we would see the fight of the century…lol

by Bruce on Feb 8, 2008 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

Tim won’t get anyone with as high a profile as Brock Lesnar. He’ll get someone with a decent chance of beating him, but whom we’ve never really heard of. That way whether he wins or Tim win, the UFC is the ultimate winner.

If Tim win, then he beats an unknown. If he loses, then he’s on the decline.

This is the same approach that the UFC has taken with other fighters too (e.g., Arlovski).

by Scooby on Feb 8, 2008 12:06 PM EST reply actions  

If tim truely thinks hes better than brock let them fight. Set that fight up for tims last fight. When his big goofy hold them up ass loses, send him to M1 and watch him eek out a victory over fedor by holding him up against the fence. TIM SYLVIA GO CRY TO YOUR MOMMA CAUSE THE FANS DONT WANNA SEE YOU FIGHT EVER EVER AGAIN!

by frankthetank on Feb 8, 2008 12:21 PM EST reply actions  

i can’t blame tim for complaining he has been with the ufc for years and has been champ of course brock brings in alot of people but that does not mean it still doesn’t piss people off.i have never been a tim fan but he almost knocked out nog and if he did would have moved up in the rankings and still did in my mind with a good performance.brock has proven nothing he is no different than hung man choi who you all labeled a freak yes lesnar has wrestling creds and choi has kickboxing creds the difference is lesnat lasted 90 seconds with a so so fighter and choi lasted longer with fedor.all you people that talk shit on anything not ufc look at what the h.w. devison is looking like you have randy fedor barnett aa and maybe tim now not in the ufc so how can they be the best when probally all top h.w.’s are not in the ufc other than nog and i dout he will stay after his contract is up if all the best are not there.

by roy on Feb 8, 2008 12:28 PM EST reply actions  

I thought we’d see Brock vs. Tim at the end of ’09 but with Tim doing all this talking could it go down this June in London?

by RobH86 on Feb 8, 2008 12:48 PM EST reply actions  

I would like to know where Timmy can go make more money then he does now. Stupid ass is just crying because he lost. Send him on his way and resign AA.

by Northen Lights on Feb 8, 2008 12:49 PM EST reply actions  

tim sylvia reminds me alot of larry holmes back in the 80s. not very well liked, did just enough to win, very boring, very abrasive personality, everyone rooted for him to lose. then after he retired (semi) everyone talked about how underrated he was. the flip side to this is that no one misses larry holmes, nobody is saying in boxing “we need another larry holmes to save boxing” they say we need another tyson, ali, or louis. this is what will probably happen to tim when he is done, alot will say he was underrated but none will miss him. so long, goodluck, dont come back. if he leaves the ufc oh well. they ned to start infusing some young guys now. does anyone know much about shane carwin?

by b.w. on Feb 8, 2008 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

Ok bigger picture here,Randy couture,Andrei Arlovski,Tito Ortiz,and possibly Slyvia and Chris Leben………..The UFC is fighting a losing battle to keep its fighters cause it cant{wont} deliver the big fights or the money that the fighters feel they deserve,and in some cases they are right.Why regardless of hype does Cro cop earn more per fight then Slyvia and Couture on his basic fight contract? I mean Randy was practically a founder of the sport,in the sense that he was one of its first big names.He should be getting the same money as Liddell regardless for time and service to the company.As for AA and Slyvia also to long serving fighters they have been denied the money and in AA’s case the fight they were promised{ but in slyvia’s case im just assuming he will denied after the UFC read this} the UFC is on a dangerous path,one that could end in all big fighters seeking better money and guaranteed big match ups.As for Tito, he is the perfect example as to was the UFC is doing wrong,he is the former champ{most defending champ},is still a massive draw,but is a stage were he wont deal with the president of the company and the owners or telling him he is not worth the money he wants which i thinh was just a little more than he was getting now??I dont get were you get the balls to tell a big draw like Tito,that you not worth it even though he sales tickets and last i checked zuffa got into this business to make money,doesnt seem like good business to me if you have{are}practically letting some of your biggest names go and WANT to fight for the competition over something as small as money.The UFC is meant to be the big dog,the most powerful,well why wouldnt they pay there biggest draws what they want{or somewhere in between}so they could keep the gravy rolling for us with the grat shows they put on.But no these guys are to be made an example of,hense why Fedor and Gomi not signing{maybe} is just the beginning of the UFC’s downfall ……..hopefully not but the power may already be gone to there heads

by Irish on Feb 8, 2008 1:01 PM EST reply actions  

tim vs brock: brock wins by tko 2:00 1st round :-)

by shamo84 on Feb 8, 2008 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

.. I love it..

by shamo84 on Feb 8, 2008 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

I am shocked that so many of you act like this is no big deal. As boring as Tim has been in the past 2 years, he is still an Elite Heavyweight and if you guys haven’t noticed, Top Notch Heavyweights are scarce in the UFC. For once, Sylvia did exactly what he said would do in the fight against Nogueira. He fought like his old self, trying to KO big Nog instead of trying not to loose. Although he lost, he has got to get some of the credit for making that fight as exciting as it was. Whether we like it or not, he is a 2 time UFC Champion that is hard to defeat.

This should serve as a big wake up call to Dana. How many top fighters does the UFC have to loose before Dana changes his ways and stops giving these fighters reasons to look for “greener pastures”? This wouldnt be that big of a deal, if the UFC didnt already loose Randy and if Arlovski wasnt 2 months away from leaving the UFC. This has to stop now! If Dana wants to play hardball and let all these fighters leave then I hope the Fertita brothers replace Dana with someone who wont let this happen anymore!

sorry john timmy isnt a great hw…the ufc and the hw division will b fine witout the big dork

by MINNESOTAFATS on Feb 8, 2008 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

We’ve seen Tim fight everyone in UFC and been bored every time, except when he gets a royal ass beating. Brock would kill him. And why would anyone worry about the other promotions outside of UFC. Watch them all, I do. The more the merrier.

by KenFlo Fan on Feb 8, 2008 1:23 PM EST reply actions  

Tim needs to be paid! Brock Lesnar is being paid waaaaay too much…and for what? He is a stellar 1-1 now and looked like a chump in his first fight. Like it or not, Tim has given his whole career to the UFC and does deserve to be paid at least something comparable to what a newbie like Broke ass Brock is.

by PDubb on Feb 8, 2008 1:25 PM EST reply actions  

That comment about going where the money is, just proves that him talking about pride in being the UFC champ was just Bulls**t.

Who cares about so called big names leaving, when we have great new fighters that want to knock people out and finish fights.

Just look at UFC80!! BJ was the only big name but it was a brilliant event, with loads of good finishes.

by MoonUK on Feb 8, 2008 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

When it comes down to it…its quite similar to how WCW started its decline. You pull in some guy (Bret Hart) and you pay him considerably more than your dedicated fighters (Hulk Hogan). It’s all about perception. Pretty soon everyone will get their panties in a bunch…

by Alexander on Feb 8, 2008 1:36 PM EST reply actions  

tim vs brock: brock wins by tko 2:00 1st round :-)

tim would knock him out or submit him brock has not proven that he can take a punch or last on the ground for more than 90 seconds

by roy on Feb 8, 2008 1:37 PM EST reply actions  

Tim would probably KO Brock. Brock has never been hit by someone with his power and we have no idea if he could take it. Anyway the UFC Hwgt division is getting weaker by the second. AA will be gone, Tim, Randy, no Barnett, no Fedor. Heck if M1 could get them, plus A. Emelinko and Sergei Kharitonov they would have the premier heavyweight division in MMA.

I dislike Timmy but he actually fought the last fight, he was just beaten by a superior fighter.

The ongoing pay inequity is going to hurt the UFC in the long run. You can’t just bring in every hot name and pay them more than you pay your longtime stars. It’s disrespectful to say the least.

by Aaron_W on Feb 8, 2008 1:58 PM EST reply actions  

Ok bigger picture here,Randy couture,Andrei Arlovski,Tito Ortiz,and possibly Slyvia and Chris Leben………..The UFC is fighting a losing battle to keep its fighters cause it cant{wont} deliver the big fights or the money that the fighters feel they deserve,and in some cases they are right.Why regardless of hype does Cro cop earn more per fight then Slyvia and Couture on his basic fight contract? I mean Randy was practically a founder of the sport,in the sense that he was one of its first big names.He should be getting the same money as Liddell regardless for time and service to the company.As for AA and Slyvia also to long serving fighters they have been denied the money and in AA’s case the fight they were promised{ but in slyvia’s case im just assuming he will denied after the UFC read this} the UFC is on a dangerous path,one that could end in all big fighters seeking better money and guaranteed big match ups.As for Tito, he is the perfect example as to was the UFC is doing wrong,he is the former champ{most defending champ},is still a massive draw,but is a stage were he wont deal with the president of the company and the owners or telling him he is not worth the money he wants which i thinh was just a little more than he was getting now??I dont get were you get the balls to tell a big draw like Tito,that you not worth it even though he sales tickets and last i checked zuffa got into this business to make money,doesnt

seem like good business to me if you have{are}practically letting some of your biggest names go and WANT to fight for the competition over something as small as money.The UFC is meant to be the big dog,the most powerful,well why wouldnt they pay there biggest draws what they want{or somewhere in between}so they could keep the gravy rolling for us with the grat shows they put on.But no these guys are to be made an example of,hense why Fedor and Gomi not signing{maybe} is just the beginning of the UFC’s downfall ……..hopefully not but the power may already be gone to there heads

i couldnt agree with you more,all these new guys are great,but dont forget to show some love for the vets.but ortiz is not the only biggest draw randy was a good on to but i see what you mean when you talk ppv you need big names to stack the card.

by ORTIZ!!!!!!08....BABY! on Feb 8, 2008 2:02 PM EST reply actions  

It’s not big names that make big fights, it’s big hearts and Tim definately needs to go out to the forest and consult with a dead deer spirit to find out where his heart is at.

by DirtyML on Feb 8, 2008 2:08 PM EST reply actions  

i can’t blame tim for complaining he has been with the ufc for years and has been champ of course brock brings in alot of people but that does not mean it still doesn’t piss people off.i have never been a tim fan but he almost knocked out nog and if he did would have moved up in the rankings and still did in my mind with a good performance.brock has proven nothing he is no different than hung man choi who you all labeled a freak yes lesnar has wrestling creds and choi has kickboxing creds the difference is lesnat lasted 90 seconds with a so so fighter and choi lasted longer with fedor.all you people that talk shit on anything not ufc look at what the h.w. devison is looking like you have randy fedor barnett aa and maybe tim now not in the ufc so how can they be the best when probally all top h.w.’s are not in the ufc other than nog and i dout he will stay after his contract is up if all the best are not there.

ROY…….a so so fighter……MIR is not at the height of his game as we speak…but he is second best to none in the heavyweight class in the world…. Lesnar was killing him he just got coaught……..and please dont EVER compare Choi to lesnar…

by Bruce on Feb 8, 2008 2:49 PM EST reply actions  

Goodbye Tito. Goodbye Tim. Hello better talent!

by Spitforce on Feb 8, 2008 2:52 PM EST reply actions  

I hope he leaves UFC, he’s the most boring fighter to ever held a belt!

I agree, he’s a big Lumpy…Please don’t get into porn, yuck!

by DirtbagHtr on Feb 8, 2008 2:56 PM EST reply actions  

It’s not big names that make big fights, it’s big hearts and Tim definately needs to go out to the forest and consult with a dead deer spirit to find out where his heart is at.

I totally agree with that, but from a business perspective it is the big names that make the money. And Dana’s ego is starting to hurt them big time. Having Tito, Randy, Fedor, AA, etc. wont guarantee great fights for M1/HD Net/Elite XC, but it will bring attention to them. Which is what they need more. I’ve already seen a few good fights in Elite XC, but if no one is watching then I won’t be seeing them in the future. So if they can get one of those guys to headline each of their shows then fill the undercard with good fights the next thing you know the UFC has real competition.

And for those people that say they don’t care about the fighters unless they fight in the UFC…what do you love, fights or the company?

by Eric on Feb 8, 2008 3:02 PM EST reply actions  

I really hate tim sylvia and don’t care if he goes or not, but I do see his point. Regardless of his drawing power, brock lesnar did only have one MMA fight against a tomato can. Tim sylvia is a two time heavyweight champ and has fought some serious competition (albeit in a boring fashion at times).

$250,000 per fight (and probably double that to win) is a lot to pay for a guy who talks in the 3rd person and has a 1-1 record at this point.

Broc was to get an additional $200k if he won. So he could have gotten $450k. Pretty sad for a 1-0 guy in his first fight in the UFC

by Jo on Feb 8, 2008 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

You may also wonder how other veteran fighters feel when a new guy makes way more than them.

by Jo on Feb 8, 2008 3:32 PM EST reply actions  

great news. gtfo.

funny stuff

by c-war on Feb 8, 2008 4:11 PM EST reply actions  

And for those people that say they don’t care about the fighters unless they fight in the UFC…what do you love, fights or the company?

Great question! I often times find myself thinking the same thing about most…

by ViolentMike on Feb 8, 2008 4:19 PM EST reply actions  

Great question! I often times find myself thinking the same thing about most…

Ditto. It’s like fanboys of the worst order.

by Aaron_W on Feb 8, 2008 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

What?!?!?!?!?!

Pride is done, and Henderson and Silva have fought in the past most recently a KO by Hendo. And Jardine has never had a fight in the PRIDE FC. Only UFC… Are you running a fever?

No hes is right i was watching that show also and it did say on the ufc 82 promo that keith jardine was fighting lol its must have been a crew up but it did say that.

by twizted203 on Feb 8, 2008 4:35 PM EST reply actions  

Hey Tim the UFC has stood behind you threw alot of shit- boring ass fights,You are not marketable name at all,You got caught taking roids,etc The bootm line is you are a boring ass fighter who has been in some horrible main events. Your boring fights don’t sell shit. You fight not to loose and never go all out. Go to M1 and be forgotten about then Big TIM !!!!!!

by Eric23 on Feb 8, 2008 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

I also bet this has nothing to do with your manager monty cox at all right Tim ?? Come on Tim its kind of funny you wait until there is one fight left on your contract to pull this shit. I could see if you beat NOg maybe then you would have some ground to stand on. This is all Monty Cox doing,Bottom line !!!!

by Eric23 on Feb 8, 2008 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

When Tim beat Arlovski the first time I was the only person in a house with about 20 people in it pulling for Tim. He has since become less popular.

I don’t really care too much if he stays or goes. He should definitely not get a pay raise. He is a bad draw because nobody wants to watch him fight. Fighters get paid by their worth to the fans and Tim has little worth.

Sorry Tim, see ya.

By the way john. Do you keep spelling lose and loser wrong on purpose? Just curious.

by DonnyG on Feb 8, 2008 5:02 PM EST reply actions  

People will crush and slander the UFC forever for being cheap and having tight wallets if they don’t do everything they can to keep Tim Sylvia

by DB on Feb 8, 2008 5:16 PM EST reply actions  

I also bet this has nothing to do with your manager monty cox at all right Tim ?? Come on Tim its kind of funny you wait until there is one fight left on your contract to pull this shit. I could see if you beat NOg maybe then you would have some ground to stand on. This is all Monty Cox doing,Bottom line !!!!

every time i see monty cox talk i see a big, fat, white Don King. yeah he smiles to your face with that sh!t-eating grin, but when you turn around he has a knife ready.

by kitsunex on Feb 8, 2008 5:20 PM EST reply actions  

go away

by dtrain on Feb 8, 2008 5:25 PM EST reply actions  

I think the web site name change came a little early….UFCMANIAcs

by jonny on Feb 8, 2008 5:57 PM EST reply actions  

if he leaves, then arloski might get a better deal or contract extension, cos the division will be weakened more, but ill be happy wit arloski staying!!!!!!

by jslim on Feb 8, 2008 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

tough at the top.. i agree with these posts saying the ufc has stood by him for a while now, (where would he be if ufc hadn’t given him a chance in the first place). If he wasn’t happy with the contract money and thought he could get more elswhere why sign it. I respect he has good stand up but won’t shed a tear as he walks out the door.

by markg on Feb 8, 2008 6:42 PM EST reply actions  

Bye bye Timmy…please don’t go Arlovski.

by bullfighter 3 on Feb 8, 2008 6:58 PM EST reply actions  

The loss of big names sucks but it just opens things up for guys we have never heard of. Most of which hopefully wont bore the shit out of us most of the time. Sometimes new blood burns brighters and makes more blood flow.

by Northern Lights on Feb 8, 2008 7:53 PM EST reply actions  

TIM SILVA versus Brock Lesnar! YES, definately a fight worth watching! Much better than Frank Mir outclassing Tim Silva again! Brock will pound Tim! Then Tim will leave UFC! Great plan! Dana, get ’er done!

by JP on Feb 8, 2008 9:28 PM EST reply actions  

i’m watching insideMMA and they just talked about the brock lesnar/frank mir fight. in that 90 seconds, brock threw 51 strikes, laded 47 for a 92.1% accuracy. i hadn’t realized he was that accurate. thats a lot of action for 90 seconds.

by kitsunex on Feb 8, 2008 10:49 PM EST reply actions  

I would like to see M-1 just concentrate on 2 divisions… HW and LHW…

Some of the guys could bounce back and forth between divisions.

And spill out the big $$$ and rip all the talent away from the ufc.

by Yikes on Feb 8, 2008 11:25 PM EST reply actions  

I am shocked that so many of you act like this is no big deal. As boring as Tim has been in the past 2 years, he is still an Elite Heavyweight and if you guys haven’t noticed, Top Notch Heavyweights are scarce in the UFC. For once, Sylvia did exactly what he said would do in the fight against Nogueira. He fought like his old self, trying to KO big Nog instead of trying not to loose. Although he lost, he has got to get some of the credit for making that fight as exciting as it was. Whether we like it or not, he is a 2 time UFC Champion that is hard to defeat.

This should serve as a big wake up call to Dana. How many top fighters does the UFC have to loose before Dana changes his ways and stops giving these fighters reasons to look for “greener pastures”? This wouldnt be that big of a deal, if the UFC didnt already loose Randy and if Arlovski wasnt 2 months away from leaving the UFC. This has to stop now! If Dana wants to play hardball and let all these fighters leave then I hope the Fertita brothers replace Dana with someone who wont let this happen anymore!

I’m not a fan of Tim’s ,yet I agree with you John.

by Gord on Feb 8, 2008 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

ufc is quickly running out of true HW champions

NOG is a beast and will hold the strap for a long time at this rate… unless a top notch standup LHW steps up… rampage or chuck

AA has the perfect game to go against NOG as he could keep it a stand up war and has superior striking and is very light on his feet so wouldnt be taken down

gonzaga crocop herring… etc arent anything special

imagine if M1 gets big tim AA fedor and randy
theyd have 4 fighters who could clean up the HW division (with the exception of NOG)

hopefully sylvias last fight will be against mir

$100K $60k bonus sounds stupidly low for a former HW champ
but as we dont know what cut they get of other cash such as ppv sales merchandise and dvds it is very hard to tell what each fighter truly gets

i would think by now UFC would have the cash reserves to offer even the lesser fighters on the undercard and the prelims at least $50k up front
its a joke that some poor guys still need second jobs and cant train full time

i wonder if rich franklins plastic surgery and hospital bills were covered by the cash he made facing andersson silva

at the end of the day the pay and contract negotiations are between ufc and the fighters… perhaps if the fighters do want to get paid better then its going to take a shift to M1 to force the ufc to up the pay

M1 probably have dana little worried as they are becoming a big player considering they havent had an event yet
hes going to have to start using longer contracts and some wwe image rights tactics to try and stop people going elsewhere

at this rate Brock will have a title shot sooner than expected

at present id throw crocop in with NOG
he hasnt earnt it
but atleast it may have a chance of motivating him and turning him back to the old mirko
more than likely it would end up in another highlight reel submission for NOG

apart from that theres probably Mir vs sylvia… which may not be a great fight for the ufc if sylvias leaving as theres a very high chance that hell take out one of the top remaining contenders before he leaves

id throw brock in with brandon vera with the winner facing the winner of crocop NOG

people may say its way too soon but ufc is seriously lacking in HW regardless of what dana says

by nate diaz on Feb 8, 2008 11:40 PM EST reply actions  

I guess we can all call this bridge burned. Tim’s obviously jealous of the money Brock Lesnar generated with a LOSS. Take Brock off of that PPV and you wouldn’t see anywhere close to the PPV buys. Brock sold that PPV and Tim did not. More non hardcore fans were interested in the event because Brock Lesnar was fighting, period. I can’t believe that Tim would burn his bridges this quickly, he still has 1 fight left and i wouldn’t be suprised to see him get shuffled down the card (ala AA) and for him to fight a nobody in his last fight. I guess him and Fedor will have a fun time crushing cans while nobody cares.

by MyQuit on Feb 9, 2008 12:45 AM EST reply actions  

I say good riddance.
But, as people have already said, this could be the start of a big downward spiral for the UFC. If this keeps up like this it won’t be nearly as big down the road. Of course, I mean quite a ways down the road.

by Toms Bombs on Feb 9, 2008 1:21 AM EST reply actions  

I guess we can all call this bridge burned. Tim’s obviously jealous of the money Brock Lesnar generated with a LOSS. Take Brock off of that PPV and you wouldn’t see anywhere close to the PPV buys. Brock sold that PPV and Tim did not. More non hardcore fans were interested in the event because Brock Lesnar was fighting, period. I can’t believe that Tim would burn his bridges this quickly, he still has 1 fight left and i wouldn’t be suprised to see him get shuffled down the card (ala AA) and for him to fight a nobody in his last fight. I guess him and Fedor will have a fun time crushing cans while nobody cares.

i say they throw him against Mir for his last fight. its something we’ve all been wanted to see since the motorcycle accident.

by kitsunex on Feb 9, 2008 1:27 AM EST reply actions  

I wouldn’t be surprised to see him thrown in with Lesnar actually.

by J on Feb 9, 2008 2:58 AM EST reply actions  

I can not wait to see Sylvia fight next, because it will be one of two people: Mir or Lesnar.

Within 18 months all of the UFC HW’s will be part of the M1 Global. They have the best fighter in the world and offer great reward. Should be an interesting time.

by DownUnder on Feb 9, 2008 8:14 AM EST reply actions  

peace bitch

by RPO18 on Feb 9, 2008 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

Like many others, I not be sorry to see Tim go. The funny thing is that if he could have won that fight in the first or second round. He was really out striking and causing a lot of damage to Nog, but he kept pulling back all the time, he was just so scared and worried about commiting himself or getting hit. I have never seen somoene in such a dominant poisition be so cautious and tentative. He paid for it in the end. Wanker. Nobody likes watching that guy fight. It’s more exciting watching grass grow.

by Ade on Feb 9, 2008 1:42 PM EST reply actions  

Good for Tym Silvia, I love UFC, but it seems they need to pay their fighters more.

Go where the money is TIM! make the UFC pony up the cash!

by Ramon on Feb 9, 2008 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

While I was never a fan of Sylvia, he definitely is an excellent fighter and would be a sparkling addition to any MMA organization in the world.

Personally, I hope he signs with M-1 Global and we get to see an Aleks-Sylvia match up. Fights with Fedor or Josh Barnett would also be excellent for M-1. If he does not sign with M-1, a match with Sergei Kharitonov could be amazing – I think this would be one of the best standup MMA fights in a long time, although Kharitonov’s ground skills would probably seal the fight for him in the end.

This is great news for a more competitive MMA scene.

by Kdog on Feb 10, 2008 7:07 PM EST reply actions  

And for those people that say they don’t care about the fighters unless they fight in the UFC…what do you love, fights or the company?

Great question! I often times find myself thinking the same thing about most…

Ditto. It’s like fanboys of the worst order.

The reason people “don’t care” about fighters outside of the UFC is because the UFC is supposed to be the best. People get to know and like certain fighters in the UFC while not giving that much if any attention to other promotions, that doesn’t make them any less of a fan. If you like football do you have to like the NFL, NFL Europe, Arena Football, Canadian Football, and Austraillian Rules Football, why is fighting any different. The best fighters are supposed to be in the UFC, and is boring as Sylvia may be (lets not forget he’s a cheater), he is one of the best. I hate him as much as everyone else, I boo him at the weigh ins and complain about him being on the card, but he wins. No matter how boring he is, the UFC will lose a lot of fans if they aren’t keeping the best fighters. I would be more than happy to never watch Sylvia or Sherk again, they are both boring and both cheaters, but if they are the best (when off the juice) they need to be in the UFC.

by D on Feb 12, 2008 4:14 AM EST reply actions  

Goodbye Tim “The Turtle” Sylvia! Maybe a wake up call, and a stint in M1 will make you a more agressive fighter. As you are now you are boring to watch.

by ognitinoc on Feb 15, 2008 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

Whatever happened to the HARDCORE Tim? Maybe he does want money more than he wants to be in the UFC.

by The 518 Playa on Feb 15, 2008 7:02 PM EST reply actions  

Fuck Tim Sylvia….fuck him up his lanky ass with a country breakfast.

by Simon Rimmer on Mar 28, 2008 11:02 AM EDT reply actions  

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