haha..Lesnar really had him in this fight..it’s unfortunate he had to be submitted. On the plus side, a rematch between Mir and Sylvia should be next.

lesner will be the champ 18 months over mir

I thought this fight was over twice… I EFFIN HATE STEVE MAZZAGATTTTIIIIIIII, that guys needs to die in a fire… He wasnt stoping the fight when Mir was not intelligently defending himself, he even said it himself he was seeing white. And when Mir was trying to pull Brocks legg off he made Brock tap like a thousand times…. FTW? WE WANT JOHN BACK!!!

I like the honesty of Mir, alot of fighters would never admitt to be rocked,

If the ref didnt stop the fight. Brock would have won easy. Lesnar will be champ in 09! bank on it.

I thought that was a great fight for both guys. Mir showed that he still has what it takes to win and Lesnar showed that he does have what it takes to be there. I can’t wait to see more of both guys.

If the ref didnt stop the fight. Brock would have won easy. Lesnar will be champ in 09! bank on it.

Ummmm….if the ref didnt stop the fight, Brock would have lost the ability to walk. Its called a knee bar and it hurts like hell. BTW, its illegal to strike to the back of the head. Maybe you were expecting brock to be able to use a steel chair?

skill and expierance always beats muscle and aggressiveness

After listening to this audio, Mir is a reaaly smart guy, he sounds great speaking about MMA aspects, diff. ponts of view, how he handles his family, really laid back….

…plus he has $$$ rollin in, good work MIR.

Overall it was a great fight. Lesnar showed alot of promise. You can’t deny that. We’re all looking forward to his next fight. Also, this interview was good.

Lesner showed a lot of class in defeat. I am happy that he is gonna stick with it….but the guy needs experience. NO more tough opponents for him.; Let him work his way up, so that next time he is in there against a top quality opponent, he will be ready.

How wonder how many pay per view units this event sold?

I thought this fight was over twice… I EFFIN HATE STEVE MAZZAGATTTTIIIIIIII, that guys needs to die in a fire… He wasnt stoping the fight when Mir was not intelligently defending himself, he even said it himself he was seeing white. And when Mir was trying to pull Brocks legg off he made Brock tap like a thousand times…. FTW? WE WANT JOHN BACK!!!

Watch the fight again. Also, Brock is so inexperienced he didn’t know how to tap properly.

skill and expierance always beats muscle and aggressiveness

Ya but once that muscle and aggressiveness improves on his skills and experience…look out! If Brook continues his humble attitude and keeps focusing on learning, he’s going to be unstoppable in two to three years.

You can be sure there is not one heavyweight in the division who will put his hand up to fight Lensnar, he looked like a beast.

Its the good BJJ guys that will cause him problems, if he stays away from Werdum, GG and Big Nog he will string a lot of wins together.

Imagine him in there with Vera, Brock would throw him around like a rag doll!

I gotta say I picked Lesnar in this fight but if he was gonna lose it would be by submission. I Hate that it played out that way. But I am really looking forward to seeing Brock fight again. He will gain the experience and dominate once he figures out the MMA game.
I know so many people have said it but Steve Mazzigatti needs to be relieved of being a UFC Referee forever. He sucks and is completely inconsistent with his calls. Plus that mustache is ridiculous. (actually i think its a pretty bad ass mustache)

www.mmafightline.com :

World Victory Road announced yesterday at a press conference that former PRIDE and UFC veteran Josh Barnett will take on Hidehiko Yoshida at their first event on March 5.

Neither PRIDE veteran has fought an MMA fight over a year and both are coming off of loses in their last PRIDE contests.

Other fighters announced for the card:
-Phil Baroni
-Kazuo Misaki
-Evangelista “Cyborg” Santos
-Takanori Gomi

Interesting NEWS:

War Machine is thinking about dropping down to fight in the Lightweight division of the UFC.

Ummmm….if the ref didnt stop the fight, Brock would have lost the ability to walk. Its called a knee bar and it hurts like hell. BTW, its illegal to strike to the back of the head. Maybe you were expecting brock to be able to use a steel chair?

BTW, its illegal to strike to the back of the head. Maybe you were expecting brock to be able to use a steel chair?

True, but when is the last time you remember a ref stopping the fighters and standing them over a strike to the back of the head? I don’t EVER remember that happening. Let alone deducting a point. Usually a warning without changing fighter positions….

True, but when is the last time you remember a ref stopping the fighters and standing them over a strike to the back of the head? I don’t EVER remember that happening. Let alone deducting a point. Usually a warning without changing fighter positions….

when is that last time you saw someone as big as lesnar raining down shots to the back of the head..that could really damage a person… you should be glad Maz stopped the fight and gave Mir time..it was illegal and could really hurt someone, and thats the last thing an mma fan would want people to see in Lesnars debut..it was a good call

For the “illegal blows” stopping the fight..not the ankle lock. if he gave lesnar a warning like they do to everyone else.. it would have been over in a matter of seconds. we need Big John back.

I’ve never seen so many guys upset at a ref, for making sure a fighter didn’t get knocked out by an illegal blow.
Light punches to the back of the head are good for a warning. But Brock was just going crazy with those hammer fists.
Give Frank Mir props for hanging in there, and let’s see how Lesnar does when he relaxes a little.

Steve Mazzagatti means Kills Cats in Italian. I cant help but laugh everytime I hear his name.

True, but when is the last time you remember a ref stopping the fighters and standing them over a strike to the back of the head? I don’t EVER remember that happening. Let alone deducting a point. Usually a warning without changing fighter positions….

EXACTLY!

And BTW how do you “TAP OUT RIGHT”?? Idiot…

If you tap a fighter, the mat, the cage, or verbal those are all ok.

skill and expierance always beats muscle and aggressiveness

yeah, but it is easier for lesnar to learn sub-defense than for mir to have that strenght and explosiveness

I thought this fight was over twice… I EFFIN HATE STEVE MAZZAGATTTTIIIIIIII, that guys needs to die in a fire… He wasnt stoping the fight when Mir was not intelligently defending himself, he even said it himself he was seeing white. And when Mir was trying to pull Brocks legg off he made Brock tap like a thousand times…. FTW? WE WANT JOHN BACK!!!

hey now, i rather like steve. i just don’t think steve liked brock very much with how many times he made him tap haha. i mean.. it’s not like brock was really really pounding him. it was just all those short punches and frank quickly recovered

go steve

Lesnar is NOT an MMA fighter.

He’d do we’ll in a street fight with his “Bum Rush” technique, but that’s it.

He’ll NEVER get into the top 10, let alone be champ. He’s a one trick pony, a joke.

lener is a shittard… he has two moves.. his takedown and right hand lol thats it..

Say that to his face! Brock Lesnar with more experience is a force to be reckon with! not a lot of people can attack frank mir like that with just 1 pro fight!

And, the guy has the IQ of rice-a-roni.

If nobody has already said it. Lesnar v. Alexander.

To me that would be interesting because you know it’s all UP game and we would get to see if Brock can strike against a pure MMA striker with almost equal power.

It would be a good fight. I would hate to see Brock get thrown to another Jiu-Jitsu artist. He could even lose to Pe De Pano via submission.

I think lesnar done ok, but hes gony have to work on not getting caught so easy with the submissions!! In saying that Mir is on of the best. In terms of ground n pound lesnar looks the part, but hes definately goin to have to work on more rounded skills if hes gony be successful, long road. How tight did Mir look with the hold though, lesnar dragged him half way accross the ring trying to get out of it haha. What a night of fighting though, great fun!! I know big nog is great on his back and on the ground, but i thought sylvia looked really slow gettin up??
Any news on Liddell fighting in Britain yet Mania Can you answer me this time!! Many thanks!

I thought this fight was over twice… I EFFIN HATE STEVE MAZZAGATTTTIIIIIIII, that guys needs to die in a fire… He wasnt stoping the fight when Mir was not intelligently defending himself, he even said it himself he was seeing white. And when Mir was trying to pull Brocks legg off he made Brock tap like a thousand times…. FTW? WE WANT JOHN BACK!!!

I so hear you dude, that ref is garbage, with his one point chant deduction. I detest him

lesnar vs eddie sanchez or brandon vera

Lesnar is a great investment for the UFC. What other guy could get as much attention as Lesnar has in his second professional fight? The UFC needs to feed him a few cans, get his confidence built up and allow him learn the game a little more. I think the worst possible match ups for him are BJJ guys. His wrestling is great, but he ain’t going to do anything until he learns some submission defense.

Throw Brock in there against a striker or another wrestler and he’ll do fine. Put Brock against the loser of the Kongo v. Herring fight. I think Brock could be both of those guys. Both Herring and Kongo are pathetic on the ground.

I’d like to see Brock work on his BJJ ALOT more and maybe he will be a good show in the UFC…he seems like he will bring it no matter what, but come on….did you really expect the wrestling star to come out with a win over Mir??? I didnt, but man did he go nutz on Frank….I just hope Brock didnt join the UFC too early.

Even with his lack of experience, Lesnar could take most HW I think. Lesnar vs Sanchez would be great.

I would still like to see Chuck Liddell vs Kurt Angle lol….

Steve Mazzagatti means Kills Cats in Italian. I cant help but laugh everytime I hear his name.

hehe actually it does not, it should have been “ammazzagatti” but as you are not italian I’ll make you get away with it..

I would Give Brandon Vera, Big Nog, before Lesnar.
Chances are Randy isnt coming back.
So Nog really has no one to fight.
Wat if Kongo loses to Herring?
I’m not giving Herring a shot at the title.
Mir I think would be next in line for a title shot.
Or just give vera, Nog. Then if vera loses he could fight LHW
Besides I think Vera could give Nog a real run for it. Or even knock him sensless. hahaha

If nobody has already said it. Lesnar v. Alexander.

To me that would be interesting because you know it’s all UP game and we would get to see if Brock can strike against a pure MMA striker with almost equal power.

It would be a good fight.

I would hate to see Brock get thrown to another Jiu-Jitsu artist. He could even lose to Pe De Pano via submission.

Nobody has said it because its dumb… the obvious problem is the weight classes. Why would Alexander come up to face the biggest guy in the division?

Also Alexander just got OWNED on the ground by Thiago Silva. Brock is a 1 dimensional wrestler who would take him down straight away, pass guard and pound him out.

My last problem with your suggestion is the ‘equal power’ comment… are you kidding me? Yeah Alexander is strong but Lesnar would out-power king kong.

Sorry to shout you down man but come off it!

Lesnar is NOT an MMA fighter.

He’d do we’ll in a street fight with his “Bum Rush” technique, but that’s it.

He’ll NEVER get into the top 10, let alone be champ. He’s a one trick pony, a joke.

You are an idiot…..enough said.

You are an idiot…..enough said.

If you don’t agree with the ref, you don’t know MMA, your just a fake wrestling fan.

I would still like to see Chuck Liddell vs Kurt Angle lol….

Kurt Angle?

Shit, maybe Santa Clause can drop in to fight the Easter Bunny.

Don’t you get it?

These WWE guys are NOT anything close to being well rounded MMA fighters. WWE is all scripted see. It’s not real fighting. It’s fake. You’ve been watching a soap opera for nit wits.

Many of these WWE guys came from wrestling where they did compete in that sport (and MMA is a lot more than wrestling). And, these WWE guys have not had any real wrestling matches since the 90’s.

Get a clue.

I still think Brock is in trouble…not only is he a really lame MMA fighter…he still has to worry about his past…like say Marvelous Marc Mero running into h octagon an hitting him with the bell as retribution for Lesnar stealing away that plastic filled transvestite that Lesnar calls a bride…also I wanna see Kurt Angle Vs Brock in a Flaming Tables Match in the Octagon to settle who the real “Best Wannabe Athlete” really is…There was talk of Angle wanting to try MMA…he would suffer the same fate as Brock…looking silly in the first round

I think Brock should get the loser of Cheick Kongo vs Heath Herring. Neither guy has a ground game so Lesnar should have a chance to impress.

Ummmm….if the ref didnt stop the fight, Brock would have lost the ability to walk. Its called a knee bar and it hurts like hell. BTW, its illegal to strike to the back of the head. Maybe you were expecting brock to be able to use a steel chair?

wow one blow to the back of the had and the ref made them stand up did you watch the fight before tht when the brazilian had like 60 blow to the back of the head and only got a warning that was brock lesnar’s fight steve mazzagatti is an idoit

Did anyone else notice that Brock dropped Mir while standing with him? It didn’t take long at all and while Mir isn’t the greatest stand up fighter, he still has more experience than Brock. Lesnar is one of the BEST wrestlers in the UFC, he obviously knows a little bit of stand up, has vicious ground and pound, can out muscle any of the fighters…. All he needs is submission defense and he is golden. He would have probably won that fight if it weren’t for them being stood up, but that wouldn’t have made him the better fighter. It could have gone either way and this loss was good for him. He will now be driven to fix that hole in his game so I am glad that he lost. With that loss, he will be able to learn and possibly become a great champion. My 2 cents.

Consider that a Division I national champion in Wrestling is someone who very realisitically should consider showing up for Olympic try-outs. Lesnar himself grew up off the beaten path. Webster, SD is a town of less than 2,000 people and is not particularly close to any large city. There isn’t much in Northeast South Dakota. I’ve been there. It’s not a place that produces a lot of famous people.

My point: Through hard work, rather than being in the right place at the right time he made it to the top of a very demanding sport. A sport that is no stranger to brutal training, painful injury and weight cutting. He accomplished this by his early 20’s. A guy like Lesnar does not quit after a little adversity. Adversity to him is merely fuel for the fire.
     I grew up on the farm not all that far from where he did. Life is all too real. The work is hard. The climate is harsh. Farming is the most dangerous profession in the US. Lesnar has made his money, and his fame. He wants to do something real. Something that proves what he is truly made of. He’s will be more concerned about being able to look his father in the eye than what the media culture thinks of him.

Speaking of reality: I became a fan of the UFC because it is an honorable pursuit. Hard work is rewarded. Talllent and skill are necessities. It isn’t WWE wrestling. Professional boxing is headed in the same direction as WWE. Professional wrestling previous to WWII was nothing like it is today. Steve Mazzagatti seems rather inconsistent in his officiaty. If this sort thing continues UFC will develop credibility issues as well.

If you watch the fight, Brock hits Mir in the back of the head 5 times. At first it looked like the ref was going to stop the fight. A lot of people say if the ref didnt stop the fight Brock would have one. Haha it looked like Mir was in deep shit. Oh well moving on.

[quote comment=“294760”]Lesnar is one of the BEST wrestlers in the UFC, he obviously knows a little bit of stand up, has vicious ground and pound, can out muscle any of the fighters…. All he needs is submission defense and he is golden. quote]

The fact that you said that Lesnar can out muscle any of the fighters show that you’ve learned nothing from his loss. I hope Lesnar doesn’t share your thoughts or he is going to be in for a long disappointing ride in the UFC. I don’t think that his GnP is even that vicious. No elbows, and he did not secure his position, which is a classic noob mistake. His hammerfists did very little to harm mir as Mir was blocking all of them except for those to the back of the head.

Lesnar is a newbie in the game and that fight just solidifies that.

Steve Mazzagatti means Kills Cats in Italian. I cant help but laugh everytime I hear his name.

I was born in Italy! No it doesnt spell out Kills Cats, but its a close translation. I speak fluent Italy, and that isnt the way you would properly say kills cats, but thats how u would say it in certain Italian Dialects.

wow one blow to the back of the had and the ref made them stand up did you watch the fight before tht when the brazilian had like 60 blow to the back of the head and only got a warning that was brock lesnar’s fight steve mazzagatti is an idoit

It was an illegal blow, but it did not warrant a stand up. Kills Cats messed that fight up.

I think Brock should get the loser of Cheick Kongo vs Heath Herring. Neither guy has a ground game so Lesnar should have a chance to impress.

What r u talking about? hearing isnt bad on the ground at all. If Kongo wins his next fight, he will be in title contention. The UFC knows he has no ground game so they wont risk him by fighting Brock.

I think everyone is getting a little hyped on Lesnar, he has a lot of potential but has no business in the octagon with the likes of Nog, Randy, Fedor, and Barnett like some of you might think saying that he is the top HW.
If he keeps training and gets a lot of JJ training he could possibly fight for the belt one day. Pretty much what we learned from his fight with Mir is that Mir is a top BJJ fighter and he can finish just about anyone on the ground if the fight goes there. His cardio is still in question though, Mir tends to gas if the fight goes into the third round and i would hate to see him in a 4th or 5th round title fight b/c he would be gassed probably. With Lesnar we found out that he is a little too aggressive and he needs to slow down a little. That may sound weird being that its a fight, but Lesnar got a little too excited and made some mistakes and got subb’d. But he too with some extensive training could be the champ one day.

Lesnar is NOT an MMA fighter.

He’d do we’ll in a street fight with his “Bum Rush” technique, but that’s it.

He’ll NEVER get into the top 10, let alone be champ. He’s a one trick pony, a joke.

who the hell are you to say hes not a mma fighter? the man trains hard, good person and gave it his all and thats wat u say.. u wouldnt say to his face, would ya?

Lesnar is NOT an MMA fighter.

He’d do we’ll in a street fight with his “Bum Rush” technique, but that’s it.

He’ll NEVER get into the top 10, let alone be champ. He’s a one trick pony, a joke.

Lesnar shot a deep double-leg take down drove through off his toes before Mir had a chance to sprawl or post a wizer. The resultant reverse half-nelson was made me smile. Once Brock realized Mazzagatti was not counting off for back points he started using his limited, but apparently effective striking skills.

Respectfully Sir, you know nothing of folk style and Olympic free-style wrestling. To be fair, it did happen pretty fast.

Kurt Angle?

Shit, maybe Santa Clause can drop in to fight the Easter Bunny.

Don’t you get it?

These WWE guys are NOT anything close to being well rounded MMA fighters. WWE is all scripted see. It’s not real fighting. It’s fake. You’ve been watching a soap opera for nit wits.

Many of these WWE guys came from wrestling where they did compete in that sport (and MMA is a lot more than wrestling). And, these WWE guys have not had any real wrestling matches since the 90’s.

Get a clue.

Ummmm….if the ref didnt stop the fight, Brock would have lost the ability to walk. Its called a knee bar and it hurts like hell. BTW, its illegal to strike to the back of the head. Maybe you were expecting brock to be able to use a steel chair?

So sick of comments like this. Nobody disputes the fact that striking the back of the head is illegal. I doubt that anyone who’s posted here watched mma for the first time on Saturday. If Mir didn’t turn away from the punch and get hit in the back of the head, Lesnar was likely to get the TKO within 5 seconds. But, Mir DID turn away and he got hit dirctly in the back of the head…hard. Mazzy G was right to give Mir a chance to recover from it, but it’s obvious Lesnar didn’t do it on purpose, so he should’ve only been given a warning and then they should’ve went back to half guard. Not that the point and standup would’ve changed the outcome, but that would’ve been the correct reffing decision.

first of all, Brock presents a pure strength/power and intimidation factor unlike any other in the Heavyweight division. He must weigh closer to 280-290 by the time he steps in that cage for the fight. The only fighters that are going to beat him right now are BJJ guys and perhaps super stud standup fighters like an AA or Kongo but they would be severely tested. Everyone else will get absolutely dismantled by Lesnar. He’s top 10 already and with another year or two of BJJ training he’ll contend with guys like Nog, Mir, GG etc.

And on the Couture topic… I don’t know who he thinks he is to be above Nog. Wow you beat Tim Sylvia with a five round decision and beat GG who just lost to Werdum of all people (not really dissing on GG cuz I like him but he’s certainly not at the top right now). Fight Nog, beat him then say there’s nothing but the Fedor fight, fuck quit being a pussy. (BTW I still think he should then fight AA or Mir, both I think would dismantle Couture)

Actually I just watched ultimate fighter repeat with that guy with the big ears fightign taht other guy in yellow trunks in the season with cory hill and was amazed to see a near carbon identical stand up to back of the head blows by the same ref and a point deduction. If it was a bad call it was a consistent one for this ref. Go check that video it’ll blow your mind. It’s like your watchign the same exact call happen but with two different fighters. ;) Enjoy the scoop

If the ref didnt stop the fight. Brock would have won easy. Lesnar will be champ in 09! bank on it.

Go back to watching WWE. Brock clearly made an illegal strike and that is why it was stopped. It didn’t really make a difference because Lesnar quickly got to a more dominant position (side mound than he had before the stoppage) however Brock’s lack of skills in jiu-jitsu were gonna make the difference in the fight either way as it was just a matter of time before he slipped up and got caught in a submission from Mir. Brock definately has potential but that is it at this point you can’t be a one dimensional fighter anymore in MMA and right now all brock has is wrestling if he can develop even decent jiu-jitsu he could be a force but right now he doesn’t have that.

I think everyone is getting ahead of there selves saying lesnar will be champ next year and things like that. Just remember the houston alexander hype, and what happened to him.

Hey, maybe Mazzagatti warned him in the locker room ahead of time? we don’t know, I trust Mazzagatti….ubt Lesnar showed that against a lesser BJJ man, he would have won. give him some cans and let him build a record. Of course, win or lose, the UFC wins.

A) if he loses, the UFC shows WWE is fake.
B) if he wins, he draws a big gate.

UInteresting note, Joe Rogan said that Lesnar needed special gloves. the 2XL ones didn’t fit. first time ever. He called his hands ‘canned hams’.

What r u talking about? hearing isnt bad on the ground at all. If Kongo wins his next fight, he will be in title contention. The UFC knows he has no ground game so they wont risk him by fighting Brock.

Most of Herring’s victories are by submission, but I still think he’s lousy at the ground game. I think Herring has really changed his style over the last 3 or 4 years. His fight against O’Brien was awful. He couldn’t do anything in that fight. Herring started out as a pretty good wrestler with some BJJ, but he more apt to stand and strike now. With that being said, if there were ever a fight to start utilizing your wrestling, it’s a fight with Kongo. I really hope Kongo has been working on his sprawl, because he wouldn’t last a round against Nog.

Ummmm….if the ref didnt stop the fight, Brock would have lost the ability to walk. Its called a knee bar and it hurts like hell. BTW, its illegal to strike to the back of the head. Maybe you were expecting brock to be able to use a steel chair?

I’m not sure but I think the original poster may have meant that the ref. shouldn’t have stopped the fight due to the illegal punch to the back of the head. I agree.

YES. the punches were illegal. But doesn’t the ref. normally bend over the fighters and warn them first? I’m pretty sure that’s how it worked in every UFC fight I’ve ever seen. First came the warning, then the point. It wasn’t fair at all. I saw a bunch of things that are considered ‘illegal’ in MMA in the other fights that weren’t called…why that? Why not just a warning?

It just seems really bias to me.
Brock Lesnar is a bull though and that would have been a killer fight if it lasted longer. Lesnar has the strength to become a MMA champion – he just needs octagon experience. Like Lesnar said, he practiced the legbar about a thousand times. Lesnar just isn’t used to the MMA crowd, being in the octagon, the atmosphere of it all. If he had two or three smaller fights prior to the Mir fight, I’m sure he wouldn’t won.

Shoulda, Woulda, Coulda…but didn’t though, right?

What fighter do you think can outmuscle Lesnar? And just because his ground and pound isn’t technically sound, doesn’t mean that it isn’t vicious. It’s quick and backed up by a massive amount of strength. And his hammerfists DID do damage. Mir sufferred a scalp laceration and according to this article was nearly knocked out.

(THIS IS MY REPSPONSE TO BOSTONMMAJUNKIE)

UFC is going to do whatever it takes to get Lesnar to the title as soon as possible.

Mir seems like a class act.

that’s some really good audio. I seriously dont know how you can not be a fan of Frank Mir. Class act, very talented fighter as well.

I was born in Italy! No it doesnt spell out Kills Cats, but its a close translation. I speak fluent Italy, and that isnt the way you would properly say kills cats, but thats how u would say it in certain Italian Dialects.

però! dove sei nato? cmq nn c’è nessun dialetto in cui ammazza gatti si dice mazzagatti…

pensa che avrò sentito il nome mazzagatti un sacco di volte ma non avevo mai pensato a “ammazza i gatti”…

If you watch the fight closely again lesnar hits mir with 4 hammer fists in the back of the head. They only show 2 in the replay,and those were the last 2. This is how it happened first mir started taking hits to the face and turn away which a natural instinct,lesnar hit him 2 times in the back of the head, mir moved and then turned his head again and got hit 2 times again. It happened quickly so dont make it seem like mazzagatti deducted a point for one hammer fist. Granted he should have warned him first.

If you watch the fight closely again lesnar hits mir with 4 hammer fists in the back of the head. They only show 2 in the replay,and those were the last 2. This is how it happened first mir started taking hits to the face and turn away which a natural instinct,lesnar hit him 2 times in the back of the head, mir moved and then turned his head again and got hit 2 times again. It happened quickly so dont make it seem like mazzagatti deducted a point for one hammer fist. Granted he should have warned him first.

yeah i agree with breaking them up and letting Mir Recover. when a guy takes a shot to the nuts they don’t have them clinch up against the cage again. what i felt was slightly unfair was the loss of a point for what was obviously, unintentional blows to the back of the head, when any other probably would have gotten a warning. My thought si that that either steve A)doesn’t like Brock lesnar or the thought of a former WWE star getting recognition in MMA and was being unfair out of bias or B)Brock is new so he wanted to use a heavy hand and make it clear to brock that the rules are in place and he is to obey them and as brock gets more experienced in the ring he’ll get a bit more leeway like the other guys.

what were you watching stupid…

The fight where Brock was laying on a beating on a former UFC champion. Yes, he lost fair and square, but he belongs in the same cage as Mir and the athletes of the UFC. And Brock showed more than one trick:

- quick takedown
- vicious ground-and-pound
- heavy handed in stand-up
- stand-up defense
- ability to scramble on top
- submission defence inside the guard (avoided armbar attempts)

He made the mistake of standing up too close to Mir, who was able to grab his leg. But he showed promise and still has room to grow.

Hell, even GSP got tapped out by a very basic armbar from Hughes, who’s not even a BJJ expert. Brock shouldn’t be written off after one loss.

Number one priority of a ref is fighter safety. Nothing else. Lesnar has the biggest hands in mma [with the exception of one freak of nature]. Lesnar should have checked himself after 2 shots and the ref did what he needed to do to keep the fighter safe.

I feel a point deduction was exactly the right move and like I said in an earlier post above I’ve seen that ref make that exact identical call in ultimate fighter the season that had bj pen when the big eared guy fought the skinny guy in yellow shorts [the episode where the 2-3 fighters get kicked off the show for fighting in the house[one for instigating]. Go watch it.

He made the exact same call then as he did with lesnar. I think it was a bit of a lesson taught for lesnar. Ufc answers to athletics commission who allows them to fight how they do. They have to enforce the adjusted rule set that allows for that other wise people may as well just jam a thumb into someone eyes and accidentally pop it out every second fight. The ref was letting lesnar no that this isn’t wwe and you have to make conscious choices in the ring and can’t just be bam bam and go silly. People can die in there and with fists that big it only takes 2 good shots to the back of the head to permenently brain damage someone. I really dbout that would have served ufc, mma or the combatants any good at all to have this big big fight end with a brain injury or death. Too much wwe mentality going on here.

fine, if that is the case Tyson should have gotten deducted a point in the first fight of the night for strikes to the back of the head, and lost his fight, because rules are rules. this is exactly the inconsistencies we have been talking about. If they are going to follow the rules, like you say, then there should be no warnings. size of the fighter shouldn’t have any bearing on anything, because as you said a blow to the back of the head can cause brain damage regardless of how hard they are hit.

Ummmm….if the ref didnt stop the fight, Brock would have lost the ability to walk. Its called a knee bar and it hurts like hell. BTW, its illegal to strike to the back of the head. Maybe you were expecting brock to be able to use a steel chair?

the ref should have stopped the fight the first time. Mir turned his head like a pussy what was brock supposed to do

lesnar is my favorite fighter and he wins that fight 9 out of 10 times mir is so lucky, lesnar will crush his next opponent like fly

Hello,

Not been on in a while to comment, I only read articles now, but I thought I would comment.

Frank Mir has been one of my favorites for a long time now. I am happy to see that he is back, and I think that Mir proved that sometimes the ref stops fights too early. If this fight had been stopped he would not have won, but Maz did not stop it allowing Mir to show that he was still intelligently defending himself, and then to show he could win the fight with a submission of the night.

Later
Chris

Come on if the roles were reversed no one would be saying anything. Mir was fighting by instinct through years for training and practice which shows his true place in the UFC. I think he is back and should be given a title fight vs. Nog, since Randy is not coming back. Nog vs. Mir will be a great fight and those two will rid the UFC all the old snoozer fighting styles in the HWs…Tim Sylvia.
War new blood in HWs!!!

. Go watch it.

He made the exact same call then as he did with lesnar. I think it was a bit of a lesson taught for lesnar. Ufc answers to athletics commission who allows them to fight how they do. They have to enforce the adjusted rule set that allows for that other wise people may as well just jam a thumb into someone eyes and accidentally pop it out every second fight. The ref was letting lesnar no that this isn’t wwe and you have to make conscious choices in the ring and can’t just be bam bam and go silly. People can die in there and with fists that big it only takes 2 good shots to the back of the head to permenently brain damage someone. I really dbout that would have served ufc, mma or the combatants any good at all to have this big big fight end with a brain injury or death. Too much wwe mentality going on here.

I find that when nobody has any valid criticisms of Brock Lesnar they turn to the tried and true “Go back to watching WWE” or “Maybe he would have won if he could have had a steel chair” or various other comments that have nothing intellegent to say about Brock Lesnar as a fighter. He has more power than virtually any other heavyweight out there, is very quick for his size and has more wrestling credentials that any heavyweight fighters in the UFC. His weaknesses right now are inexperience and an untested chin. ANYONE (with the exception apparently of Nogierra) can be knocked out. But I am sick of hearing people use his past job as a reason why he can’t be a good fighter. An athlete is a athlete and he is a great one. And last time i checked, NCAA Heavyweight National Champion Wrestlers are REAL athletes. Find a reason to hate Brock other than the lame “WWE isn’t real! That stuff is scripted! Flaming Tables! Thumbtacks! Steel Cage!”argument.
Get him with Militich for a year or with Rampage’s Camp and see what they can mold him into. With the exception of elite BJJ guys, he will win more fights than he will lose. And don’t talk about how he’s so one dimentional, when Chuck Liddell just NOW showed he could do something other than strike…..

Ya, I’m tired of people hating on Brock for losing on not even a full kneebar. he only tapped cause of all the hype, but Mir’s hips were above his knee – should have tried to escape a little longer, but that’s a little bit of inexperienced. He is a real athlete and it showed. Props to Mir for admitting he was beat up, but pulled through

Actually I just watched ultimate fighter repeat with that guy with the big ears fightign taht other guy in yellow trunks in the season with cory hill and was amazed to see a near carbon identical stand up to back of the head blows by the same ref and a point deduction. If it was a bad call it was a consistent one for this ref. Go check that video it’ll blow your mind. It’s like your watchign the same exact call happen but with two different fighters. ;) Enjoy the scoop

Not identical at all:

1) Lauzon was warned twice (once in round 1, once immediately before the elbow that caused the point deduction.
2) Lesnar hit Mir as Mir was turning his head away. Miller had his head turned away for quite some time. Lauzon actually switched from trying to punch the face to that elbow which I don’t know how he though it wouldn’t end up hitting Cole in the back of the head. Lesnar started that punch with the SIDE of Mir’s head facing up, but by the time the punch landed, the back of Mir’s head was facing up. If you watch in slow motion, you’ll see that every strike to the back of the head was intended for the face or side of the head, but Mir moved while the fist was already on it’s way.

That being said, even though it was an accidental blow to the head, the timeout was the right call. The point deduction wasn’t (not that I’m trying to say that’s why Lesnar lost, he lost because he’s too inexperienced and not well rounded enough. I’m just saying it was a bad reffing decision).

when is that last time you saw someone as big as lesnar raining down shots to the back of the head..that could really damage a person… you should be glad Maz stopped the fight and gave Mir time..it was illegal and could really hurt someone, and thats the last thing an mma fan would want people to see in Lesnars debut..it was a good call

It was a very good call…imagine if these blows would have hurt someone and the fight stopped due to illegal blows….then how would Lesnar look….he left this fight with a loss…but I say that is much better than leaving looking like a maniac that has no respect for the rules of the game. The only people bitching are some of the fans…the fighters do not seem to have a problem with Steve M.‘s ruling. I think that is because the parties involved know it was a good call. Anyone that can’t see Mir won fairly is an idiot and does not care if the sport has any dignity. They are the kind of people that make people that do not understand MMA view the sport as some unhumane event like dog fighting or cock fighting. Those people not only make MMA look bad, but probably do not understand MMA themselves.

You can be sure there is not one heavyweight in the division who will put his hand up to fight Lensnar, he looked like a beast.

Its the good BJJ guys that will cause him problems, if he stays away from Werdum, GG and Big Nog he will string a lot of wins together.

Imagine him in there with Vera, Brock would throw him around like a rag doll!

Why do people KEEP saying Vera can’t hang with the Big boys. You do know that Vera DESTROYED Mir and Brock LOST. With a broken hand Sylvia couldn’t hurt him. The LAST guy thats going to get thrown around by a wrestler is another wrestler and Vera is a better Wrestler than all of those guys you mentioned.

I find that when nobody has any valid criticisms of Brock Lesnar they turn to the tried and true “Go back to watching WWE” or “Maybe he would have won if he could have had a steel chair” or various other comments that have nothing intellegent to say about Brock Lesnar as a fighter. He has more power than virtually any other heavyweight out there, is very quick for his size and has more wrestling credentials that any heavyweight fighters in the UFC. His weaknesses right now are inexperience and an untested chin. ANYONE (with the exception apparently of Nogierra) can be knocked out. But I am sick of hearing people use his past job as a reason why he can’t be a good fighter. An athlete is a athlete and he is a great one. And last time i checked, NCAA Heavyweight National Champion Wrestlers are REAL athletes. Find a reason to hate Brock other than the lame “WWE isn’t real! That stuff is scripted! Flaming Tables! Thumbtacks! Steel Cage!”argument.
Get him with Militich for a year or with Rampage’s Camp and see what they can mold him into. With the exception of elite BJJ guys, he will win more fights than he will lose. And don’t talk about how he’s so one dimentional, when Chuck Liddell just NOW showed he could do something other than strike…..

Preach

first of all, Brock presents a pure strength/power and intimidation factor unlike any other in the Heavyweight division. He must weigh closer to 280-290 by the time he steps in that cage for the fight. The only fighters that are going to beat him right now are BJJ guys and perhaps super stud standup fighters like an AA or Kongo but they would be severely tested. Everyone else will get absolutely dismantled by Lesnar. He’s top 10 already and with another year or two of BJJ training he’ll contend with guys like Nog, Mir, GG etc.

And on the Couture topic… I don’t know who he thinks he is to be above Nog. Wow you beat Tim Sylvia with a five round decision and beat GG who just lost to Werdum of all people (not really dissing on GG cuz I like him but he’s certainly not at the top right now). Fight Nog, beat him then say there’s nothing but the Fedor fight, fuck quit being a pussy. (BTW I still think he should then fight AA or Mir, both I think would dismantle Couture)

6 months ago everyone (not me) said Mir was washed up, now he can dismantle Randy.

Ok, I hate wwe as much as the next sane person, but some of you are rediculous. This guy comes in and beats the crap out of a former champ and a very skilled fighter, though he loses on a submission, and you give him no credit?

Unless you only like undefeated fighters, you need to wake up – people lose. Most fighters new to mma would not go in against someone like Mir – there are plenty of chumps out there to warm up on.

This guy walked in “RAW” against a top fighter and did very well. If he can learn – and it seems that he can – he is going to be huge. Even if he can’t, he’s already competitive.

I truly hate wwe, but I’m betting no one is going to want to fight this guy if he really commits himself to this. I bet he knocks someone out before Hughes does..

What r u talking about? hearing isnt bad on the ground at all. If Kongo wins his next fight, he will be in title contention. The UFC knows he has no ground game so they wont risk him by fighting Brock.

Who has Herring submitted? His last submission victory was over Giant Silva four years ago. Or do you think his submission over Tom Erikson seven years ago is his crown jewel? Wait I know what his best sub is…his win against Evan Tanner over TEN years ago.

Honestly, “what r u talking about?”

Pa

Preach

Pat…Right on! You said it all. And you’re 100% correct with everything that you said here. Well done!

the ref should have stopped the fight the first time. Mir turned his head like a pussy what was brock supposed to do

Brock Lesnar can Fight!

Brock used illegal blows on accident!

Those Blows did not hurt Frank!

Frank has great BJJ.

Maz did not stop the fight early!

Brock will be a great fighter!

And yes WWE is the gayest sport!

BLah Blah Blah.

I cant wait to see Frank Mir again, and Some day Brock will be a Champ.

Chris

I think Brock Lesnar should fight James Thompson next. They are almost mirror images of each other, and they both are passionate about learning the skills to become a force in MMA. Neither are worthy of beind a top ranked contender, but at least if they were to find a way to fight somehow, it would be impossible for them both to lose.I would put my money on Thompson though. He has fought more than one good fighter and therfore has experience that would give him the advantage.

I think Brock Lesnar should fight James Thompson next. They are almost mirror images of each other, and they both are passionate about learning the skills to become a force in MMA. Neither are worthy of beind a top ranked contender, but at least if they were to find a way to fight somehow, it would be impossible for them both to lose.I would put my money on Thompson though. He has fought more than one good fighter and therfore has experience that would give him the advantage.

I enjoyed watching Emelianenco knock James Thompson out when they fought. It was a quick, but exciting fight.

Maybe they should’ve put Lesnar on TUF, then everybody would be on his nuts. Seriously, the guys has at least as much credentials as a Josh Koscheck coming into MMA. But just because he did some acting, all of a sudden he can’t be an athlete anymore?

Pat

It is what it is, when you walk around in f***ing speedos and shoot up and jump off the top ropes in a circus like atmosphere and where everything is scripted when you do that it will follow you forever. Example a woman in the porn business I dont care if if she turns into mother teresa she will always be viewed as a whore in the same sense Brock will always be viewed as a fake unless he can win.

I think brock is a class act and was classy in defeat

Ya, I’m tired of people hating on Brock for losing on not even a full kneebar. he only tapped cause of all the hype, but Mir’s hips were above his knee – should have tried to escape a little longer, but that’s a little bit of inexperienced. He is a real athlete and it showed. Props to Mir for admitting he was beat up, but pulled through

As much as Brock probably won’t admit it, to be put in a lose kneebar from a guy that is known to snap ligaments, limbs, and bones as Mir…there’s a reason Brock tapped quick – he was scared.

Brock showed promise. But, a guy like Nog, Werdum, or Gonzaga would most likely also scare him into a quick tap to any number of submissions.

He’d be better against strikers like CroCop, Kongo, and Sanchez.

Lesnar vs. Arlovski sounds pretty tasty.

ok… for the shots to the back of the head, if it was Big Jon as the Ref, he would give a virbal warning “watch the head, watch the head”, also those shots were not done on purpose, so there was NO reason to take points away. Calling for a time, and picking them up was the right call, but thats when you go by the book word by word,we usually see alot worse before any foul is brought up.

Ummmm….if the ref didnt stop the fight, Brock would have lost the ability to walk. Its called a knee bar and it hurts like hell. BTW, its illegal to strike to the back of the head. Maybe you were expecting brock to be able to use a steel chair?

lener is a shittard… he has two moves.. his takedown and right hand lol thats it..

Yeh but the fun part is seeing how other fighters deal with it…and i don’t think all HW’s will be able to!

And I’m sure in another year or so, he will have a few more moves.

GWAN LESNAR!!!

lesnar vs eddie sanchez or brandon vera

I say put Mir against Nog and put Lesnar against big Tim.

He also lost his first wrestling match, yah so what ? Didnt effect him much did it?
Brock will have a long and brutal reign. He will smash his all his future opponents.
  Bye the time he faces nog ,he will be ready. All hail Brock!!!

lener is a shittard… he has two moves.. his takedown and right hand lol thats it..

u can tell, u didnt see the fight or know anything about fighting. If u saw the fight lesnar deffended two armbar attempts befor being submitted, for his first fight brock did really good, if anybody need to improve there skills its Mir. He has No stand up, and no take down deffence. If it wasnt for his BJJ he would have gottin destoried more so then what he did. With the experience Mir has he should have schooled lesnar bad dispite his size and strenth.

u can tell, u didnt see the fight or know anything about fighting. If u saw the fight lesnar deffended two armbar attempts befor being submitted, for his first fight brock did really good, if anybody need to improve there skills its Mir. He has No stand up, and no take down deffence. If it wasnt for his BJJ he would have gottin destoried more so then what he did. With the experience Mir has he should have schooled lesnar bad dispite his size and strenth.

“Apparently, this was the first time you have ever seen Frank Mir fight. He is one of the most well rounded fighters in the world.”

All i have to say is watch Frank Mir fight brandon Vera, marcio Cruz, Ian Freeman, and then tell me he is a well rounded fighter. With the exception of Brandon Vera the other two guy he lost to, are no name fighters and the Ian Freeman be for the accident. Where was his superior BJJ skills there. Ill give him this he is able to capitalize on other guys mistakes better the most fighters, but as far as to say he is a well rounded fight i dont think so. If brock had like 5 more fights under his belt i dont think frank Mir would have won that fight. Brock will be heavyweight champion he just needs a lil more experince

P.S.
Brock wasnt really limpin that bad after the fight, but franks face did look really swollen a bloody after the fight though