I was waiting for Stone Cold to run in there and give a stone cold stunner to Mir while the ref had his back turned…

he shouldnt be ashamed.. the ref shouldve never restarted them.and stood them up. the match before there was an elbow to the back of the head, never called.

brock shouldve won he deserves to fight in the ufc cant wait for the next poor victim to fight him..

The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.

It was a good stand up.

Great fight!

theguy

hope brock come back for this defeat, at least now the pressure is off him.

I thought Mir’s head was going to come off with those hammers coming down! Lesnar is going to be tuff as a HW, he will mix up that division nicely! You have to gime Mir props for hanging in there and get the lock!
 L E S N A R vs. S Y L V I A

That was the most impressive 90 second loss I’ve ever seen. Brock is a superhero, and one scary dude. He definitely has nothing to be ashamed about.

I was trying to explain to my wife (who watches all the fights with me) why this was such a toss-up. Brock has the strength, speed, and agility to dominate in heavyweights — the problem is that they put him against a Jiu Jitsu legend that can stop anyone at anytime.

Even if he’s getting pounded in the face by Johnny Bravo.

The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.
It was a good stand up.

definately not, did you see GSP vs Hughes III, how many warnings did GSP get without ever being stood up or having a point taken away.

He was raining down unanswered blows as Mir turned into a turtle and rolled over. turning your body so the blows go from your face to the back of head is not intelligently defending yourself.

That should have been a warning and nothing more.

I’ve heard a lot of ppl in other sites saying “Bye Brock” and all this crap. Yet those same ppl would buy another PPV to see Brock lose, and Brock still has his fans that want to see him win. If anything, Brock’s star grew bigger after this fight. He was also very humble in defeat. Good fight by Brock, great fight by Mir.

You have to give broc some credit not many people make their octagon debut against such a tough opponent. In addition Mir is the worst kind of opponent for him. Styles make fights and Mir’s style is the best counter to Broc strength and wresting base

brock is my man!

Guy Mezger beat Tito in his first big fight with a silly submission. Hallman easily subbed Matt Hughes. GSP got clowned by Hughes in his title fight.

Lesnar has proven that he has more heart and drive than guys like Kevin Jackson and Kevin Randleman and others who had the potential to become gigantic stars but it fell through because of the fact that they got schooled by well-rounded fighters.

Lesnar has a great camp and a great attitude toward fighting. He will be top five one day as long as he doesn’t pull a Bob Sapp.

The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.

It was a good stand up.

Great fight!

theguy

Are you kidding me? How many guys have been struck in the back of the head like five times and not even gotten more than a warning? It was a completely arbitrary decision and unforgiving to a green Lesnar. Mir probably would of still won but it definitely may have played into Lesnar becoming so aggressive.

he shouldnt be ashamed.. the ref shouldve never restarted them.and stood them up. the match before there was an elbow to the back of the head, never called.

brock shouldve won he deserves to fight in the ufc cant wait for the next poor victim to fight him..

Brock illegally hit Mir in the back of the head. That is a foul. Just becasue a ref didn’t stop a early fit for the same thing doesn’t make it right. That’s like saying OJ Simpson got away with murder so I can kill someone.

Anyways Lesnar did look very impressive I thought. Give him a couple more years of jits and he’s going to be a contender.

definately not, did you see GSP vs Hughes III, how many warnings did GSP get without ever being stood up or having a point taken away.

He was raining down unanswered blows as Mir turned into a turtle and rolled over. turning your body so the blows go from your face to the back of head is not intelligently defending yourself.

That should have been a warning and nothing more.

An illegal blow is an illegal blow. Just because a fighter shows the back of his head does not give his opponent the right to rabbit punch him, in this case it was big hammer fist; rabbit punches are extremely dangerous/life threatening. A fighter should be allowed to recover and that is what the ref did.

Taking off a point was a judgment call, the ref may have thought that Mir was facing away long enough that Lesner should have had enough time/control not to through that dangerous hammer fist. There were other striking opportunities and paths of aggression that were open to Lesner.

Rabbit punches blow, they can really screw up a competition. I am looking forward to watching Lesner fight again. That guy is exciting.

theguy

definitely not, did you see GSP vs Hughes III, how many warnings did GSP get without ever being stood up or having a point taken away.

He was raining down unanswered blows as Mir turned into a turtle and rolled over. turning your body so the blows go from your face to the back of head is not intelligently defending yourself.

That should have been a warning and nothing more.

An illegal blow is an illegal blow. Just because a fighter shows the back of his head does not give his opponent the right to rabbit punch him, in this case it was big hammer fist; rabbit punches are extremely dangerous/life threatening. A fighter should be allowed to recover and that is what the ref did.

Taking off a point was a judgment call, the ref may have thought that Mir was facing away long enough that Lesner should have had enough time/control not to through that dangerous hammer fist. There were other striking opportunities and paths of aggression that were open to Lesner.

Rabbit punches blow, they can really screw up a competition. I am looking forward to watching Lesner fight again. That guy is exciting.

theguy

Are you kidding me? How many guys have been struck in the back of the head like five times and not even gotten more than a warning? It was a completely arbitrary decision and unforgiving to a green Lesnar. Mir probably would of still won but it definitely may have played into Lesnar becoming so aggressive.

I am pretty sure he thew the rabbit punch out of excitement.
If Lesner lost his cool due to the call thats entirely his own doing. The ref cannot be blamed for that; the situation was entirely in Lesner’s control.

Now if Lesner lost the round or fight due to the point you would have an argument, but he did not; he got submitted from a starting position that was not that much different than immediately before the illegal blow.

Rabbit punches need to be called more, maybe this is the start of a good trend.

theguy

An illegal blow is an illegal blow. Just because a fighter shows the back of his head does not give his opponent the right to rabbit punch him, in this case it was big hammer fist; rabbit punches are extremely dangerous/life threatening. A fighter should be allowed to recover and that is what the ref did.

Taking off a point was a judgment call, the ref may have thought that Mir was facing away long enough that Lesner should have had enough time/control not to through that dangerous hammer fist. There were other striking opportunities and paths of aggression that were open to Lesner.

Rabbit punches blow, they can really screw up a competition. I am looking forward to watching Lesner fight again. That guy is exciting.

theguy

should have tagged in in either stone cold, undertaker or angle for a handicap match against mir, lesnar wins via chairshot at 2.47 in da 2nd!

GSP should have lost points for slamming Hughes when he had him mounted. All the impact was absorbed in the back of his head and it was life-threatening

I’ve heard a lot of ppl in other sites saying “Bye Brock” and all this crap. Yet those same ppl would buy another PPV to see Brock lose, and Brock still has his fans that want to see him win. If anything, Brock’s star grew bigger after this fight. He was also very humble in defeat. Good fight by Brock, great fight by Mir.

I’ve seen the same thing. And if Brock would have finished that fight last night, everybody would be lovin him. Brock will be a huge star. I’d bet my bank on it… the ufc did lol

Brock Lesnar brought down to earth…

Reality: Brock is NOT an MMA fighter.

The UFC jumped the gun and got him 2-3 years too early, as he is NOT a well rounded fighter by any stretch of the imagination.

Hell, some idiots were so effected by the hype, they ready to place Brock in the top 10, talking about him being the UFC champ, before he ever stepped into the octagon. Shameful.

WWE is NOT MMA.

Lesnar surprised me with his striking. He was pretty good and exciting! Once he gets more experience he’ll be a top contender. I was rooting for Mir all the way. Technique wins over strength. But, BUT Brock showed me something last night, he’s got tons of potential in MMA. I hope he doesn’t fall off the horse. I’d like to see him fight in the future. He’ll bring attention and excitement to the UFC and MMA.

I thought I’d throw this out there…
Brock vs. Kimbo… HAHA

hey guy..longislandguy says chill out ..

The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.

Except it wasnt the same position at all, Lesnar was mounted before the stoppage, and afterwards was in Mir’s guard, which was the only thing that could really beat him

OMG i cant believe that some people are actually giving credit to brock lesnar the dude looked horrible yes he took him down immediatly whats new there but then he proceded to hit him desperatly in the back of the head, i mean i dont think you need any technique to throw hammer fists but brocks punches looked nasty( as in the stupidest, embarrising). then second time around he looked the same and as soon as he got up from the armbar attempt boom bye bye hype

he shouldnt be ashamed.. the ref shouldve never restarted them.and stood them up. the match before there was an elbow to the back of the head, never called.

brock shouldve won he deserves to fight in the ufc cant wait for the next poor victim to fight him..

Are you crazy? He was pounding him in back of the head. FYI genius that is against the rules. Brock was doomed to get caught in a submission, Mir is a master off his back. Plus Lesner was hitting him with sissy short hammer fist.

GSP should have lost points for slamming Hughes when he had him mounted. All the impact was absorbed in the back of his head and it was life-threatening

if thats the case then Matt Hughes would of never one the belt himself slamming the shit out of Newton, and Rampage wouldnt have a career, I know what your getting at but there isnt a rule that prohibits slamming yet so dont be so technical, kinda anoying

i ment won the belt himself…..

color me unsurprised that hector has nothing good to say. he’s been talking smack for weeks now. hey hector, you don’t like brock, we get it. shut your pie hole already.

all in all the fight went as i expected it to. Brock would show a lot of promise but get caught making a rookie mistake, which all UFC fighters have done in the past. the real test will be to see if he learns from that mistake and doesn’t make it again. How often do we see a guys true potential in his first octagon fight? pretty much never, the cage is notorious for causing those jitters and brock definitely looked nervous going into the cage.

i can’t wait to see how he does in his second fight.

although I ahve a strongion to having wrestlers/entertainers
enter the Octagon to challenge real fighters, I say if they have the guts, more power to them.
and I don’t blame Dana (those words I choke on as I can’t stand the guy)for trying to expand his audiance by bringing in someone from the WWE, but I think ALL involved should be ashamed, especially Dana for injecting the Undertaker/Austin/Angle clown posse into last night’s show. Talk about a great way of taking 10 steps back in their so-called efforts to present as mainstream legitimate sport, instead making it painfully obvious that the only goal for this organization is cash at all costs… but hey, this is America

Pro wrestling fans don’t know the rules of this sport. They also don’t know Brock was put on the card – ONLY to suck $45 out of 1,000s of their pockets.

Brock is for real. like it or not. he is for real.. he is like the tito of old.. haha

Except it wasnt the same position at all, Lesnar was mounted before the stoppage, and afterwards was in Mir’s guard, which was the only thing that could really beat him

?

What fight were you watching?

-the stand-up happened with Lesner in Mir’s half-gaurd.

-after the restart it took Lesner less than 10 seconds to gain side control and restart the reign of the hammer fist.

-a north south position followed (with more hammer fists coming down from Lesner)

-THEN finally Mir got him in his full guard.

I love my DVD recorder. Doesn’t anyone else have one?

theguy

well i gotta admit, when i first heard about this fight i was like ( Brock is just following trends, he’ll never make it,ect,ect)even though he lost his debut,i’v changed my opinion about brock.i seriously believe he will have a career in the ufc, and will do well. im looking forward to seeing him fight again and i hope it is soon.you can train all mma disciplines for however long, but nothing, i mean nothing counts like experience does.
say what you want about the ref stoppage,but that was a good stop! who ever is comparing strikes to the back of the head between GSP,hughes or whoever is not the same as getting hit in the back of the head by Lesnar. I would take a shot from GSP before Lesnar any day. striker or not Lesnar has some serious power. And would like to wish good luck to Lesnar and Mir on their next fights.

Brock is so far and away the most athletic HW it is not even funny. He could kick the shit out of 90% of the division today. I’d bet on him to beat Mir in a rematch as well.

my favorite part was when the fight start and rogan was like “so how long do you think it will take for brock to try a take…” and brock had mir on the ground. seriously, brock was out for blood, when was the last time we saw a heavyweight fight that was that fast paced?

2 things here…

1. Brock showed potential. I think he will be a force in MMA in about 12 months.

2. Yes the blow or blows to the back of the head are illegal. I don’t think that’s what is being questioned here. I think the “debate” or “issue” is more about consistency in officiating. In this very PPV we saw several identical shots delivered and the offender got only a warning. The refs need to be consistent.

One illegal blow (back of head, groin…whatever) = warning 2nd blow = point. That would be fine. Or 1 blow = 1 point with NO warning given. Either way would be fine as long as all refs stuck to it.

Inconsistency breeds controversy.

Brock is so far and away the most athletic HW it is not even funny. He could kick the shit out of 90% of the division today. I’d bet on him to beat Mir in a rematch as well.

And you probably think that Liddell needs “ONLY” 1 more chance at ’Page and he will win. Herring needs a rematch with Big ’Nog and Herring will rip his head off.

I love the “next” time crowd!

Lesnar surprised me with his striking. He was pretty good and exciting! Once he gets more experience he’ll be a top contender. I was rooting for Mir all the way. Technique wins over strength. But, BUT Brock showed me something last night, he’s got tons of potential in MMA. I hope he doesn’t fall off the horse. I’d like to see him fight in the future. He’ll bring attention and excitement to the UFC and MMA.

I thought I’d throw this out there…
Brock vs. Kimbo… HAHA

Brock would destroy Kimbo

Brock would destroy Kimbo

Kimbo Slice, Tank Abbott and Bob Sapp are all in the same BS league. Brock Lesnar belongs in the UFC!

Brock is going to be great, just give him some time. I would like to see him fight a great striker like cro cop or Silvia. I think lesnar will be too much. BJJ guys will give him the most trouble right now. Big Nog, for instance. I would like to see Lesnar vs Gonzaga

He was already throwing the shots as mir was turning to me thats mir turtling up and turning into the shots his own fault.

well your not the ref

dude no one is even talking about the fact that lesnar rocked mir with a punch that dropped him. good job by mir for catching that submission on him. brock will definatley be a force to rekon with. Id like to see brock vs sylvia. def mir vs nogueria, sick bjj there. id love nothing more than to see brock pick sylvia up over his head and coutre/liddellpt1 slam him to the mat. WAR lesnar, he definatley now has my respect.

I was waiting for Stone Cold to run in there and give a stone cold stunner to Mir while the ref had his back turned…

hhahahah LMAO

although I ahve a strongion to having wrestlers/entertainers
enter the Octagon to challenge real fighters, I say if they have the guts, more power to them.
and I don’t blame Dana (those words I choke on as I can’t stand the guy)for trying to expand his audiance by bringing in someone from the WWE, but I think ALL involved should be ashamed, especially Dana for injecting the Undertaker/Austin/Angle clown posse into last night’s show. Talk about a great way of taking 10 steps back in their so-called efforts to present as mainstream legitimate sport, instead making it painfully obvious that the only goal for this organization is cash at all costs… but hey, this is America

Too bad also, that Dana is paying money for the appearance of these WWE stars who really have nothing to do with the UFC, other than to provide face time for the crossover Pro Wrestling fans.
Hypocritical too, the interviews of Lesnar, in which he says ‘fake friends, fake money, fake world’ blah blah, ‘I need some real competition’.
There’s no reason any of those pro wrestlers couldn’t cross over to MMA. They already know takedowns, and surely can wildly flop their arms around. We like to call those hammer fists though.
I think Lesnar did a great first job, but a little more trainging and he’ll learn to breathe and think about what he’s doing in the cage.
I’m just glad he didn’t win, because it would have been hard to stomach him getting a title shot in his 2nd fight.

GSP should have lost points for slamming Hughes when he had him mounted. All the impact was absorbed in the back of his head and it was life-threatening

Uhh that is perfectly legal to shoulder slam someone when you have them mounted and no it was not life threatening. Why don’t you just go back to watching fake wrestling cause you probably know more about that than you do MMA.

Brock is going to be great, just give him some time. I would like to see him fight a great striker like cro cop or Silvia. I think lesnar will be too much. BJJ guys will give him the most trouble right now. Big Nog, for instance. I would like to see Lesnar vs Gonzaga

Gonzaga is a black belt in BJJ and more of a grappler than a striker.

Lesnar vs. Herring?
       vs. Cro Cop?
       vs. O’Brien?
       vs. Vera?

Who is next?

Except it wasnt the same position at all, Lesnar was mounted before the stoppage, and afterwards was in Mir’s guard, which was the only thing that could really beat him

And you probably think that Liddell needs “ONLY” 1 more chance at ’Page and he will win. Herring needs a rematch with Big ’Nog and Herring will rip his head off.

I love the “next” time crowd!

The ref standing them up had nothing to do with the outcome other than letting Mir recover from an illegal blow to the back of the head. Mir was on his back again in 5 seconds and in the same position.
Except it wasnt the same position at all, Lesnar was mounted before the stoppage, and afterwards was in Mir’s guard, which was the only thing that could really beat him
?
What fight were you watching?
-the stand-up happened with Lesner in Mir’s half-gaurd.
-after the restart it took Lesner less than 10 seconds to gain side control and restart the reign of the hammer fist.
-a north south position followed (with more hammer fists coming down from Lesner)
-THEN finally Mir got him in his full guard.
I love my DVD recorder. Doesn’t anyone else have one?
theguy

Something is either wrong with your DVR or you are Mazzagatti’s nephew or something.

he shouldnt be ashamed.. the ref shouldve never restarted them.and stood them up. the match before there was an elbow to the back of the head, never called.

brock shouldve won he deserves to fight in the ufc cant wait for the next poor victim to fight him..

BROCK deserves to win?! He’s had TWO fights in MMA. Mir has been around for YEARS and would have dominated the HW division had it not been for his motorcycle accident. If anything, MIR deserved to win! And Im glad he did! Dont get me wrong, I think it’s great that Lesnar has joined the UFC organization but matching him up with an ex-heavyweight champ for his UFC debut was stupid.

Brock is so far and away the most athletic HW it is not even funny. He could kick the shit out of 90% of the division today. I’d bet on him to beat Mir in a rematch as well.

have you ever heard of Randy Couture or Arlovski ?! They are real athletes, not pumped up wrestlers with 1 1/2 year MMA training

If it wasn’t for the retarded stop by Mazagetti, Lesnar would have won in under 30 secs.

Bring BIG JOHN BACK!!!

I for one can’t wait for Brock’s next fight.

in the tyson griffin fight, he threw a couple of elbows to the back of the head and i thought the ref shouldve stopped the match all together. i couldnt believe he didnt see that, or didnt take action.

then brock lands a hammer punch while mir is squrimming around and mozzerella fag ref stops it.. total bs. u have to be consistant wit officating. that was terrible . doesnt matter brock did enough to get another fight. and soon he will be unstoppable. this just was a minor bump in the road.

Lesnar vs. Herring?
vs. Cro Cop?
vs. O’Brien?
vs. Vera?

Who is next?

herring should have been his first opponent instead of Mir. they’ve thrown every other newcomer at him.

haha, you typed the words right out of my fingers Metalhead

I for one can’t wait for Brock’s next fight.

That makes two of us. Let’s put Brock up against Big Tim. That would be fun!

And you probably think that Liddell needs “ONLY” 1 more chance at ’Page and he will win. Herring needs a rematch with Big ’Nog and Herring will rip his head off.

I love the “next” time crowd!

I think Brock showed he is green, but at the same time showed that with proper training and seasoning he most likely will be an amazing force. Let’s face it people….if that knee bar never came, Mir probably would not have a face right now the way things were going.

One thing that poeple are missing out on, is that the ref usually comes into the locker room and gives the fighters some things he will be looking for closer then others, what he will and will not allow. I bet dew to brocks power and the damage that could cause if he hit one gets hit in the back of the head. i bet they were both warned that the fight would be stoped and point would be taken off. that is why Brock had not issue with it. The ref talk to the fighters before the fight is very important in the way the ref controls it.

Im sick of hearin ppl bitch about the illegal punches… it happened fights over QUIT LOOKIN FOR AN EXCUSE!! All in all brock looked AWSOME in this fight, the way he moved was like a LW!! it was AMAZING! i was on the edge of my seat and thot for a sec that brock might pull out a win wit that vicious GNP. but like Lesnar said Mir was the better fighter that night, and i give both fighters huge props for steppin in the cage against eachother. Brock is gonna be a HUGE threat at HW, can’t wait for his next fight… And where does Mir go from here!!?? whios next for both fighters??

I was really impressed by Lesnar, and I do think that penalty for the shot to the back that Mir rolled into was pretty weak. It was kind of harsh that a few people were booing him after the fight. I think his style will make for a lot of really entertaining fights, just give him time to improve.

The UFC got what they wanted to out of this one: even more people tuning in to the fight.
That being said, Mir did a nice job and I, like most others on this page, thought the fight could have been over in the first 20 seconds if it hadn’t been stopped for Lesnar’s punching Mir in the back of the head. And Lesnar was inpressive to watch-I imagine fighting him would be like trying to fight a mountain.
I personally would tune in to see either Lesnar or Mir fight again. I think an interesting matchup would be Lesnar vs. G. Gonzaga. It will be interesting to see where both Mir and Sylvia go after this.

I hear all these people talking about the stand-up for the illegal blow.If this would have been such an issue don’t you think the fighter might have something to do say about it? What did you expect to happen? Did you really think that some muscle head was going to come into the mma game and take out one of the world’s most well rounded fighters? Frank Mir knows how to win a fight whether it be standing or on the ground, whether someone is hitting him, laying on him, or whatever the case may be. He was once considered unbeatable before his motorctcle accident and I was happy to see him earn a win by submission as he tries to earn his way back to his unbeatable status.

he shouldnt be ashamed.. the ref shouldve never restarted them.and stood them up. the match before there was an elbow to the back of the head, never called.

brock shouldve won he deserves to fight in the ufc cant wait for the next poor victim to fight him..

are u jokeing u cant hit people in the bak of the head this isnt wwe..he will never be anything in the ufc he should take his skank girl and go bak to the wwe

I was really impressed by Lesnar, and I do think that penalty for the shot to the back that Mir rolled into was pretty weak. It was kind of harsh that a few people were booing him after the fight. I think his style will make for a lot of really entertaining fights, just give him time to improve.

how were u impressed he didnt make it past the 1st round

Rampage>Chuck at his best
NOG>Sylvia at his best
Silva>Franlkin at his best

Forrest beat a out of shape Shogun, who took the fight lightly and had no ACL

Gomi took Diaz lightley and gassed

See what I mean? Im not saying forest and diaz>Gomi.Shogun, until the rematch. Based on the fact gomi and Shogun have looked WAY better. flukes happen, look at chuck-jardine, serra-GSP. PRIDE fighters are supior, always have been. They came into UFC house and took 3 belts in the span of a fucking year. UFC would have never been able to do that in pRIDE

Frank Mir’s clearly superior skills made Lesnar look like he belongs in the minors. There is absotutely no other way to call it. Lesnar only had a puncher’s chance to begin with and was unable to get lucky with any of his punches, and quite frankly, was damn lucky he did not get his leg broken by Mir. At the post fight press conference, Mir stated that the winning knee bar was not perfect but got the victory. I have a different opinion. After reviewing the fight several times, I have to say that the knee bar that caused Lesnar to tap was beautifully set up by Mir. I hope Mir continues to make progress in regaining the unbeatable status he had before his motorcycle accident.

Lesnar just got caught, simple as that. I thought at one stage the ref was going to call a stop to the fight with Brock was GnP Mir. There is no way Mir could take another few blows to the head. What impressed me most about Brock is his agility for his size, man he his one big dude. He will do well in UFC. Look at the way he just rushed and took MIr down, I dont think anyone will be able to stop him from taking them down but thats where he will fall in the hands of the JJ guys. He needs to mix it up more, maybe take them down and get back up again, do a bit standup back down again and up again, just make them think, just over power them with his wrestling and some against the cage. So brock you may have lost the fight but you have gained a fan.

Lesnar vs. Herring?
vs. Cro Cop?
vs. O’Brien?
vs. Vera?

Who is next?

Brock and Kongo would be an explosive fight.

did anyone else notice that Randy was totally ignored? It seems that Rogan and Goldberg were not allowed to mention Randy’s name. I like how when Tyson Griffin was entering the ring they announced that he had Gray Maynard in his corner and not Randy. Also I heard a rumor that all Affliction shirts are now banned by the UFC. Any truth to that?

Also i think Lesnar is gonna be a beast in the HW division. He was connecting good on Mir until the Rabbit punches. He should have been warned but thats just my opinion. And thank God, Allah, Santa or whoever you want that Nogueira choked out Tim. I just wish his big head popped off and we never have to see him fight again.

Something is either wrong with your DVR or you are Mazzagatti’s nephew or something.

Uhh, actually, he called it exactly, move for move as it happened.You remind me of Lesnar, jumping into something and running your mouth without knowing what you need to know to back it up. You must be one of his relatives, maybe his nephew or something.

Lesnar looked like an animal… inexperienced, but an animal. He shows more than potential, he showed promise. Give him some good trainers, a little time, and I think he will be up to the hype that he got before this match.

Things could have easily gone very differently (I’m surprised that he didn’t catch Mir on the button and put him out with one of those punches), but it was actually better for him to loose this one. I think he’ll come back much improved.

Props to Mir for getting the tap.

Lesnar looked like an animal… inexperienced, but an animal. He shows more than potential, he showed promise. Give him some good trainers, a little time, and I think he will be up to the hype that he got before this match.

Things could have easily gone very differently (I’m surprised that he didn’t catch Mir on the button and put him out with one of those punches), but it was actually better for him to loose this one. I think he’ll come back much improved.

Props to Mir for getting the tap.

agreed. the loss will teach him what not to do against a JJ guy. plus if he would have won, i’m afraid Dana would have pushed him into a title fight way too soon in his career.

Kimbo Slice, Tank Abbott and Bob Sapp are all in the same BS league. Brock Lesnar belongs in the UFC!

WRONG !! Maybe Lesnar would deserve to be in the UFC after paying his dues like someone like Tank Abbott has done.

Brock needs to do one thing and one thing only…

Slow down a bit. His managers must not know how JJ works. He should have just stood and swung with him.

although I ahve a strongion to having wrestlers/entertainers
enter the Octagon to challenge real fighters, I say if they have the guts, more power to them.
and I don’t blame Dana (those words I choke on as I can’t stand the guy)for trying to expand his audiance by bringing in someone from the WWE, but I think ALL involved should be ashamed, especially Dana for injecting the Undertaker/Austin/Angle clown posse into last night’s show. Talk about a great way of taking 10 steps back in their so-called efforts to present as mainstream legitimate sport, instead making it painfully obvious that the only goal for this organization is cash at all costs… but hey, this is America

Based on what happened last night, this posting makes absolutely no sense. Didn’t the sport gain legitimacy with the outsider (brock) losing so quickly. Especially when you consider how he lost.

What’s with all the negativity on this site? All apparent MMA fans – all some of you want to do is whine…

WRONG !! Maybe Lesnar would deserve to be in the UFC after paying his dues like someone like Tank Abbott has done.

I was talking about the Tank Abbott of today…not the Tank Abbott of 1996. Lets face it, he’s more about of shape now then he was in his prime. That’s pretty funny in itself. He’s much older now and will most likely lose to Kimbo Slice. And that will be pretty pathetic. Lesnar would beat all three of those guys in the same night!

WRONG !! Maybe Lesnar would deserve to be in the UFC after paying his dues like someone like Tank Abbott has done.

he has a right to an opinion just the same as you.

Although I think it was ridicilious to put Lesnar Vs Mir in his second only mma bout I was impressed with Lesnar’s agressiveness- he came out there to fight! I expected to see these guys circle around each other for 2-3 minutes before connecting but Broke came out ala Shamrock Ortiz II. I believe that if Magazatti didn’t stand them up after the point decuction that we would of seen Brock winning by TKO 1 ref stoppage. Wasn’t a big fan of Brock before last night, but he was professional after his loss and a true gentleman! I hope he goes far in this sport!

Brock is one fast dude for his size. Just what the heavyweight division needs to shake it up a little, can’t wait to see him fight again.

Lets give Brock credit, this was his 2nd only mma fight. And to fight a jiu-jitsu expert like Mir is a very difficult task.
To Brocks credit he did take Mir down at will and knocked him down and was ahead on points until the end when he got caught, which shows that he’s still very green.

But I do believe that Brock has all the tools and mark my words that he will be a champion one day.

Brock needs to improve his submission offense and defense. i can’t wait till he fights again, I bet this time around he will dominate. Brock is 6’3’’ and cuts 20lbs to make 265. He’s wrestling, size and quickness is his advantage. Can’t wait for his next fight.

Wrestlers tend to do really well in MMA. (Coutore, Hughes, Koscheck)

Oh yea, why was Kurt Angle at the event…Has he signed a contract with UFC?..Could Dana be setting up a possible Angle vs Lesnar ufc fight next?….The UFC should stay aways from anymore pro-wrestlers, as it hurts their credibility.

Lesnar surprised me with his striking. He was pretty good and exciting! Once he gets more experience he’ll be a top contender. I was rooting for Mir all the way. Technique wins over strength. But, BUT Brock showed me something last night, he’s got tons of potential in MMA. I hope he doesn’t fall off the horse. I’d like to see him fight in the future. He’ll bring attention and excitement to the UFC and MMA.

I thought I’d throw this out there…
Brock vs. Kimbo… HAHA

How about

TIM SILVIA VERSUS BROCK LESNAR! I say that’s a good fight for LESNAR.

brock is gonna smash someone’s head like a big juicy bug……
the stoppage and deduction were garbage. Maybe mir has his face under an icepack with little eyeholes to watch the game.

I have watched this fight a few times today. Two observations:

1. Mir was extremely patient and poised.
2. Brock will hurt someone.

I think any time you see a man of this size and strength hit someone on the back of the head you have to make the decision to say there will be zero tolerance for this – The consequences for not making a stand could be deadly. Brock has redefined the concern for this rule like higher speeds have required more stringent regulation in stock car racing.

Lastly, the suspense of this fight equaled that of the Randy v Silva fight. An unbelievable night for both fighters. This fight almost made up for the hamil v bisping debacle.

definately not, did you see GSP vs Hughes III, how many warnings did GSP get without ever being stood up or having a point taken away.

He was raining down unanswered blows as Mir turned into a turtle and rolled over. turning your body so the blows go from your face to the back of head is not intelligently defending yourself.

That should have been a warning and nothing more.

no shame hahaha riiight
tell that to the pats

cheaters only prosper long enough to make it hurt more in the end

Lesnar needs to fight someone who can brawl and NOT a BJJ expert… geeez i mean its only gonna be his 3rd pro fight.. he needs to get some confidence and momentum over time while he fixes his BJJ and fights someone top 10.

Lesnar needs to fight someone who can brawl and NOT a BJJ expert… geeez i mean its only gonna be his 3rd pro fight.. he needs to get some confidence and momentum over time while he fixes his BJJ and fights someone top 10.

YEAH LESNAR WILL DO GOOD AGAINST SCRUBS HE WONT EVER BEAT ANYBODY THAT CAN DO ANYTHING ON THE GROUND HE MAY KNOCK OUT BUMS WHO WILL STAND RIGHT THERE BUT ANYBODY THAT HAS ANY GROUND GAME IT WILL B THE SAME RESULT BROCK GETTIN BEAT HE SHOULD TAKE HIS UGLY SKANK WHORE WIFE AND GO BAK TO WWE

YEAH LESNAR WILL DO GOOD AGAINST SCRUBS HE WONT EVER BEAT ANYBODY THAT CAN DO ANYTHING ON THE GROUND HE MAY KNOCK OUT BUMS WHO WILL STAND RIGHT THERE BUT ANYBODY THAT HAS ANY GROUND GAME IT WILL B THE SAME RESULT BROCK GETTIN BEAT HE SHOULD TAKE HIS UGLY SKANK WHORE WIFE AND GO BAK TO WWE

you should have your computer looked at. i think your caps lock button is broken and i couldn’t see what you were seeing through all those caps.

Brock and Kongo would be an explosive fight.

Brock would destroy Kongo. Kong has no ground game and no wrestling ability at all.

Brock would destroy Kongo. Kong has no ground game and no wrestling ability at all.

Do you really think that the two fights that Lesnar has fought qualifies him to get in the ring with real MMA fighters like Mir, Kongo, Crocop, Big Nog, etc.? His inexperience almost got him a broken leg from Mir…. I think maybe he should practice in the minors for a couple of years then try to step up to fight more of the real MMA fighters after he has learned enough to be competitive.

Brock and GG would be interesting, could be really explosive until GG gets the sub. Or until GG curls up into a little ball like he did agaisnt Randy and Werdum, who don’t have nearly the GnP that Brock does.

At first I thought he should’ve just gotten a warning while the action continued, but now I’ve watched this many times in realtime and in slowmo. Mir’s on his side, Lesnar’s aiming for the side of the head, but Mir keeps dodging them by moving closer to Brock’s legs and as a result catches a few glancing blows to the back of the head. Lesnar comes in from the side to hit his face. Mir turns away as the second one is coming in from the side and catches another glancing blow to the back of the head. With Mir’s head no longer turned to the side, Brock comes in from the top again, but Mir sees it coming and turns his head back toward Brock’s legs, takes one on the side of the head and as the second one’s coming down, Mir completely turns his back, he gets hit flush in the back of the head.

It’s pretty clear to me that Brock was not trying for the back of the head, but that last shot was pretty direct and Mir deserved a chance to recover. I don’t think Lesnar shouldn’ve had a point taken away (not that it really made a difference once Lesnar tapped, but it was still a bad call) and I think they should’ve gone back to half guard (not that it would’ve made much of a difference, knowing that Brock ended up on top again shortly after. But still, Mazzy G screwed up).

Props to Mir for weathering the storm and pulling out the submission. Props to Lesnar for dominating a former champion for as long as he did even though he’s green as hell and has little technique in any other aspect of MMA besides wrestling. Just think of what he can do if he sticks with it and develops some submission defence and good striking technique (hopefully next time he’ll at least use his left hand).

If it weren’t for the shot to the back of the head, Lesnar would’ve had the TKO in another 5-10 seconds. Good thing he didn’t get it though. He’s nowhere near ready to face first rate competition. He shouldn’t have even been in there with Mir yet.

man this post is like pissin in the wind ………………..wait until his next fight

L E S N A R vs. S Y L V I A L E S N A R vs. S Y L V I A L E S N A R vs. S Y L V I A L E S N A R vs. S Y L V I A L E S N A R vs. S Y L V I A L E S N A R vs. S Y L V I A L E S N A R vs. S Y L V I A L E S N A R vs. S Y L V I A L E S N A R vs. S Y L V I A L E S N A R vs. S Y L V I A L E S N A R vs. S Y L V I A

The stand up was cheap, but I still think that the fight was good experience for Lesnar. Sure, he should have demolished Mir, and will do so in the rematch. Lesnar will be the HW champion come the 5th fight of his contract. Mark my words. How on earth is this possible?? Lesnar will be given a chump his next fight, whom he will demolish (the loser of the Cheick Kongo – Heath Herring fight). Then he will make his way up the ladder by demolishing Andrei Arlovski or maybe Brandon Vera (who isn’t even in the same class as Lesnar (the brilliant UFC matchmakers could have matched him up with anyone stylistically except an insanely accomplished submission artist. Any other striker – Lesnar would’ve ground and pounded to UFC 82). After this, they’ll feed the hungry Lesnar, the another former champion, Tim Sylvia. After he shows Timmy what conditioning is all about (no disrespect Pat, but damn, make that ogre work), he’ll get a title shot against Werdum. That should be a good fight. Definitely no shame is losing for Brock in his debut, and def no shame to the guys that he destroys on his way to the title.

Ritchie Feb 3rd, 2008 at 10:55 pm Quote this comment

            Lesnar vs. Herring?
            vs. Cro Cop?
            vs. O’Brien?
            vs. Vera?

            Who is next?

        Brock and Kongo would be an explosive fight.

    Brock would destroy Kongo. Kong has no ground game and no wrestling ability at all.

Do you really think that the two fights that Lesnar has fought qualifies him to get in the ring with real MMA fighters like Mir, Kongo, Crocop, Big Nog, etc.? His inexperience almost got him a broken leg from Mir…. I think maybe he should practice in the minors for a couple of years then try to step up to fight more of the real MMA fighters after he has learned enough to be competitive.

You’ve got to be kidding me! I mean the UFC pitted Hughes against Carlos Newton in his first fight in the Octagon. Seriously, to not give a man credit for the time he spent training in wrestling is ludicrous. Would you feel the same way about a man who has solely trained in Jiu Jitsu his whole damn life?

he shouldnt be ashamed.. the ref shouldve never restarted them.and stood them up. the match before there was an elbow to the back of the head, never called.

brock shouldve won he deserves to fight in the ufc cant wait for the next poor victim to fight him..

u know what im just back at my computer and that is exactly right.call me sceptical but that was dodgy.ive never seen a point deducted without a warning in fact i cant rememeber a point being deducted for hitting behind the head full stop.mir rolled into it and he was just about to be stopped imo.plus when mir had him in the leglock he tapped 5 times with at least a second in between taps u watch it again.he could have had serious ligament damage.it raminded me of the refereeing back in the day.anyway no disgrace brock has proved that the only way to beat him is ju jitsu he threw mir round like a rag doll.lets have lesnar-sylvia.

lesnar silvia that would be fun. Make this fight happen MMAMANIA!!!

Do you really think that the two fights that Lesnar has fought qualifies him to get in the ring with real MMA fighters like Mir, Kongo, Crocop, Big Nog, etc.? His inexperience almost got him a broken leg from Mir…. I think maybe he should practice in the minors for a couple of years then try to step up to fight more of the real MMA fighters after he has learned enough to be competitive.

first of all he would demolish kongo.. second he needs experience, he has studied the escape to the knee bar, but until you find yourself in that situation in a fight you are not gonna be prepared, so I think he may grow very fast, was MIR or anybody else better than him in his second fight?!

did anyone else notice that Randy was totally ignored? It seems that Rogan and Goldberg were not allowed to mention Randy’s name. I like how when Tyson Griffin was entering the ring they announced that he had Gray Maynard in his corner and not Randy. Also I heard a rumor that all Affliction shirts are now banned by the UFC. Any truth to that?

Also i think Lesnar is gonna be a beast in the HW division. He was connecting good on Mir until the Rabbit punches. He should have been warned but thats just my opinion. And thank God, Allah, Santa or whoever you want that Nogueira choked out Tim. I just wish his big head popped off and we never have to see him fight again.

Right. I heard Randy’s voice in cornering Griffin. But the camera did a good job of avoiding him. I’m suprised they didn’t stoop to cutting out the audio.

Brock looked great, just got caught! It happens, like he said you cant win them all. Mir showed why he was once champ, he took a bit of a beating hung in and when he had a chance he took it and won. Brocks a monster tho, his stand-up looked a lot better then i think anyone thought it woulda been and the pace he sets speaks for itself.

 I wanna see Brock fight Tim, I’m pretty sure Brock was talking smack about him prior to joining the ufc. After watchin that fight, i think brock would take a decsion against tim.

agreed. the loss will teach him what not to do against a JJ guy. plus if he would have won, i’m afraid Dana would have pushed him into a title fight way too soon in his career.

Everyboby is dowming or praising brock….dude its only his first mma fight in the ufc.Give him time to get going he will be ok theres nobody in the heavyweight ranks to worry about since randys gone ,for god sakes big nog is interm champion now what a joke,this class is wide open.

Even though my boy Lesnar lost, he still looked good. I have said many times on this website that he’s have very viscious ground and pound, and you all saw it. Many people said he would “lay and pray”, you were wrong. I can’t wait to see his next fight. He was greatful in defeat. I was hoping Mir would have given Lesnar his props in the post fight interview but I don’t remember him saying anything.

Why are they called Rabbit Punches and not Donkey Punches? Doesn’t make sense.

Brock and Kongo would be an explosive fight.

Too much for Brock, throw him in with Sanchez, Imes or similar. I’ve got no doubt that he will be up there in the top 5 in 2 years but he needs to be handled very carefully.

Another loss would be devistating for his confidence and potential.

Let Lesnar fight some lower ranked guys before throwing him in with the big shots.

Brock Lesnar brought down to earth…

Reality: Brock is NOT an MMA fighter.

The UFC jumped the gun and got him 2-3 years too early, as he is NOT a well rounded fighter by any stretch of the imagination.

Hell, some idiots were so effected by the hype, they ready to place Brock in the top 10, talking about him being the UFC champ, before he ever stepped into the octagon. Shameful.

WWE is NOT MMA.

THANK U FO BEIN THE ONLY OTHER SMART PERSON BESIDES ME

Even though my boy Lesnar lost, he still looked good. I have said many times on this website that he’s have very viscious ground and pound, and you all saw it. Many people said he would “lay and pray”, you were wrong. I can’t wait to see his next fight. He was greatful in defeat. I was hoping Mir would have given Lesnar his props in the post fight interview but I don’t remember him saying anything.

how dis lesnar look good he didnt see the 2nd round..hell he didnt see 2 minutes he is a joke a novelty act not a real fighter

are u jokeing u cant hit people in the bak of the head this isnt wwe..he will never be anything in the ufc he should take his skank girl and go bak to the wwe

Brock most definitely deserves to be in the UFC. It was amazing to see that he could actually fight. Of course he is still inexperienced and needs some jits. But he will most definitely be a threat in about 2 years. Exciting fights i see in the future. Mir himself even said how surprised he was that Brock took him down and how strong he actually was. Admits that he was in trouble in the beginning of the fight, but just stayed calm and looked for submissions. Good job by Mir, but either way you look at it Brock is going to be back. And im excited to see his next fight.

I think Lesnar would’ve won if the UFC allowed folding chairs to be used as part of a knee bar defense technique. :-)

Brock is going to be great, just give him some time. I would like to see him fight a great striker like cro cop or Silvia. I think lesnar will be too much. BJJ guys will give him the most trouble right now. Big Nog, for instance. I would like to see Lesnar vs Gonzaga

You just said you’d like to see Lesnar vs a striker and not a BJJ guy. Last time I checked, as Joe Rogan stated, Gabriel Gonzoga has a black belt in BJJ which means he is a black belt in BJJ. LoL, did anyone elso notice that retarded comment last ppv??

Lesnar vs. Herring?
vs. Cro Cop?
vs. O’Brien?
vs. Vera?

Who is next?

My brother and I agree he should fight someone like Colin Robinson, or another can.

Oh yea, why was Kurt Angle at the event…Has he signed a contract with UFC?..Could Dana be setting up a possible Angle vs Lesnar ufc fight next?….The UFC should stay aways from anymore pro-wrestlers, as it hurts their credibility.

That match would never happen. Angle was on Pros vs Joes 2 weeks ago and said that he weighs 215 lbs. He would fight at light heavyweight.

Gonzaga is a black belt in BJJ and more of a grappler than a striker.

Lesnar is a great investment for the UFC. What other guy could get as much attention as Lesnar has in his second professional fight? The UFC needs to feed him a few cans, get his confidence built up and allow him learn the game a little more. I think the worst possible match ups for him are BJJ guys. His wrestling is great, but he ain’t going to do anything until he learns some submission defense.

Throw Brock in there against a striker or another wrestler and he’ll do fine. Put Brock against the loser of the Kongo v. Herring fight. I think Brock could be both of those guys. Both Herring and Kongo are pathetic on the ground.

Observations,

1) props to Lesnar for being aggressive which = exciting
2) props to Mir for hanging in there and getting the sub
3) props to Mazzagotti for the stoppage, Lesner will kill someone with his power especially in that vulnerable area

Unanswered questions about Lesnar,

1) what happens when he fights a REAL striker who can hit his chin with power?
2) how good is Lesnar once placed on his back?
3) how good is Lesnar AFTER round 1?
4) what happens when he fights a striker with excellent take down defense?

Commentary,

While I believe that the HW is weak, I can’t believe that Lesnar will be a champion after FIVE fights like someone said on here.

Also, quit bitching about the refs, each ref is going to see things differently depending on his vantage point. I agree that they aren’t always consistent at times HOWEVER people see what they see and the judgement is made off of that.

Truth is, Brock shouldn’t have gotten caught in that heel hook. He said himself that he trained for that scenario. What that means is Mir should be given MORE credit because he pulled it off anyway when Lesnar knew it was coming.

Unanswered questions about Lesnar,
1) what happens when he fights a REAL striker who can hit his chin with power?
2) how good is Lesnar once placed on his back?
3) how good is Lesnar AFTER round 1?
4) what happens when he fights a striker with excellent take down defense?

My answers
1) Brock will be able to take a punch. If you’ve seen the steel chair shots he’s taken to the face you would agree.
2) Brock will stay busy on the ground looking to land some nice strikes and use his strong hips to roll over and get to a mount of his own.
3) Brock has great endurance. Did you see the special on Spike?!
4) Brock will do well against a striker with excellent take down defense. Even if someone has a good sprawl it does’t matter when you have a 280 pound wrestler with insane power wo can just lift you up over his head with ease.

the only reason why i hate brock so much , is bcuz of the way he started talking so much shit claiming he was “tired of fighting tomato cans and that he wanted a filet mignon”, or did you all forget about it, he also proceeded to talk crap about Couture and tim sylvia, anywho all that after only one fight that needless to say was not impressive either. Maybe all you guys are right in a few years he will be a good competitor in MMA but dont start him off in the UFC I dont think he can handle most of the HW not Crocop, ARlovski, Sylvia, Noguera, Couture, Kongo, Hearring, Gonzaga, Werdum, hell I even think Sanchez would outstrike him. he should of had a few more fights outside the octagon and slowly make the transition.

That match would never happen. Angle was on Pros vs Joes 2 weeks ago and said that he weighs 215 lbs. He would fight at light heavyweight.

it won’t happen anyway because Angle is scared to get into an MMA ring. he was all for fighting in the IFL until he was offered Ken Shamrock and saw a fight up close, then he chickened out. if he was scared to fight over the hill shamrock, he’ll never get into the ring.

Kurt Angle is so banged up I doubt he would ever be able to train for MMA properly.

Kurt Angle is so banged up I doubt he would ever be able to train for MMA properly.

yeah his neck is basically shot. if he got slammed the wrong way he’d be paralyzed. frankly i’d be surprised if any doctor would clear him to fight.

UFC needs to do away with submission holds as away winning and/or stopping fights!
It was most obvious in UFC 81. Both Lesnar and Silva were robbed! They both were whooping azz and because their opponent put them into some weak submission hold caused them to tap-out.
I firmly believe that this new heavy weight champion is the weakest UFC has ever had. He was beaten badly, bloody, bruided…looked like Rocky in Rocky II, and beats Silva, by submission. He was merely in survival mode by using the submission.
Its not true “Tough-Man” fighting winning by submission.

I think they need to have a system where, once the opponent is put into a submission hold and thus taps-out…points should be awarded to the fighter giving the submission. The ref then stands the fighters back up, awards the points to the judges, and the fight goes. Now, maybe if a fighter is put into a submission hold and taps-out more than 3 times in one fight, then the fight is stopped by TKO.

I want to see FIGHTS…not a bunch of guys rolling around on the ground hoping for a submission hold! Much less, watching a fighter get pummeled and by survival only, grabs an ankle for a tap-out, thus winning the fight, claiming the title!

UFC needs to do away with submission holds as away winning and/or stopping fights!
It was most obvious in UFC 81. Both Lesnar and Silva were robbed! They both were whooping azz and because their opponent put them into some weak submission hold caused them to tap-out.
I firmly believe that this new heavy weight champion is the weakest UFC has ever had. He was beaten badly, bloody, bruided…looked like Rocky in Rocky II, and beats Silva, by submission. He was merely in survival mode by using the submission.
Its not true “Tough-Man” fighting winning by submission.

I think they need to have a system where, once the opponent is put into a submission hold and thus taps-out…points should be awarded to the fighter giving the submission. The ref then stands the fighters back up, awards the points to the judges, and the fight goes. Now, maybe if a fighter is put into a submission hold and taps-out more than 3 times in one fight, then the fight is stopped by TKO.

I want to see FIGHTS…not a bunch of guys rolling around on the ground hoping for a submission hold! Much less, watching a fighter get pummeled and by survival only, grabs an ankle for a tap-out, thus winning the fight, claiming the title!

god this is weird, be prepared because all the other guys are gonna crucify you!

UFC needs to do away with submission holds as away winning and/or stopping fights!
It was most obvious in UFC 81. Both Lesnar and Silva were robbed! They both were whooping azz and because their opponent put them into some weak submission hold caused them to tap-out.
I firmly believe that this new heavy weight champion is the weakest UFC has ever had. He was beaten badly, bloody, bruided…looked like Rocky in Rocky II, and beats Silva, by submission. He was merely in survival mode by using the submission.
Its not true “Tough-Man” fighting winning by submission.

I think they need to have a system where, once the opponent is put into a submission hold and thus taps-out…points should be awarded to the fighter giving the submission. The ref then stands the fighters back up, awards the points to the judges, and the fight goes. Now, maybe if a fighter is put into a submission hold and taps-out more than 3 times in one fight, then the fight is stopped by TKO.

I want to see FIGHTS…not a bunch of guys rolling around on the ground hoping for a submission hold! Much less, watching a fighter get pummeled and by survival only, grabs an ankle for a tap-out, thus winning the fight, claiming the title!

there is so much wrong with what you said that i don’t even know where to start. therefore i’m just going to assume your post was either, Sarcasm, Troll Bait, or born of retardation because you ate lead paint or you were dropped on your head. if you don’t want to see submissions watch boxing or Chuck Norris’s lame sport, World Combat League.

Griffinfan: you can’t be serious!

1)Taking a steel chair to the face (a gimmick stunt) isn’t the same as taking a shot precisly put on the chin or temple. Especially real time with no breaks other than 2 minute round breaks. Wrestlers don’t like to be on their backs or getting hit.

2) If he is so great on the ground, how come he couldn’t mount Mir and GNP him out? He is still strong and has great hips but notice Mir had the better technique.

3) Endurance? He seemed a bit gassed at one point we he stopped punching and Mir rolled over to his side. A guy that big can’t swing at full speed for two long without getting winded. Couture admitted to being winded in the late 2nd and 3rd round against Silvia and he is in much better shape than Brock. How long do those wrestling matches last anyway? And is the action continuous throughout. Lets not forget about the steroids he was using back then either.

4)Kevin Randleman had insane power too and was a great wrestler so what is your point? Strength doesn’t stack up to well executed technique. Go watch some old UFC’s or some old Pride fights that Randleman fought in. It become evident.

Griffinfan: you can’t be serious!

1)Taking a steel chair to the face (a gimmick stunt) isn’t the same as taking a shot precisly put on the chin or temple. Especially real time with no breaks other than 2 minute round breaks. Wrestlers don’t like to be on their backs or getting hit.

2) If he is so great on the ground, how come he couldn’t mount Mir and GNP him out? He is still strong and has great hips but notice Mir had the better technique.

3) Endurance? He seemed a bit gassed at one point we he stopped punching and Mir rolled over to his side. A guy that big can’t swing at full speed for two long without getting winded. Couture admitted to being winded in the late 2nd and 3rd round against Silvia and he is in much better shape than Brock. How long do those wrestling matches last anyway? And is the action continuous throughout. Lets not forget about the steroids he was using back then either.

4)Kevin Randleman had insane power too and was a great wrestler so what is your point? Strength doesn’t stack up to well executed technique. Go watch some old UFC’s or some old Pride fights that Randleman fought in. It become evident.

1) ok fine, how about landing on his face from a fall of over 6 feet and not getting knocked out

2)he did nearly have him mounted before they were stood up.

3)Gassed? are you serious? i highly doubt Couture is in better shape. did you watch the all access on brock? all he does is train, all day every day. He’s a collegiate wrestler so he is fully aware of what conditioning is.

as for the steroids, straw man argument, you just ruined whatever points you may have made up to this point. if you can’t prove it, then you are talking out of your backside. so what, you assume that all “pro” wrestlers are juicing?
try using less hyperbole in your arguments.

HELLO! ARE YOU PPL FORGETTING THAT THIS IS BROCKS 2ND ONLY MMA FIGHT. AND TO DOMINATE MIR LIKE HE DID FOR 90 SECONDS WAS VERY IMPRESSIVE EVEN FOR THE NON BROCK FANS TO ADMIT.
WAIT TILL HIS NEXT FIGHT, HE WILL DOMINATE. HE WILL BE THE FUTURE CHAMPION.

if, if, if, if.. If my aunt had a penis she’d be my uncle, that still dosn’t change the fact that Lesnar is in over his head in the UFC. Lesnar / Tim or Gonzaga next. Then when Lesnar is 1 – 2 we’ll see what kind of excuses people can come up with.

I like the fact people are like, with another couple of years of training and and the right coaches. Shit, with a couple of more years of training and the right coaches my ass. He should have had to prove him self in another company before he got a UFC contract. Lesnar is just a much bound monkey.

UFC needs to do away with submission holds as away winning and/or stopping fights!
It was most obvious in UFC 81. Both Lesnar and Silva were robbed! They both were whooping azz and because their opponent put them into some weak submission hold caused them to tap-out.
I firmly believe that this new heavy weight champion is the weakest UFC has ever had. He was beaten badly, bloody, bruided…looked like Rocky in Rocky II, and beats Silva, by submission. He was merely in survival mode by using the submission.
Its not true “Tough-Man” fighting winning by submission.

I think they need to have a system where, once the opponent is put into a submission hold and thus taps-out…points should be awarded to the fighter giving the submission. The ref then stands the fighters back up, awards the points to the judges, and the fight goes. Now, maybe if a fighter is put into a submission hold and taps-out more than 3 times in one fight, then the fight is stopped by TKO.

I want to see FIGHTS…not a bunch of guys rolling around on the ground hoping for a submission hold! Much less, watching a fighter get pummeled and by survival only, grabs an ankle for a tap-out, thus winning the fight, claiming the title!

You are a tool. Submissions end fights in the UFC because THEY WOULD END FIGHTS IN REAL LIFE. Hello, if submissions didn’t end fights, then guys would be breaking bones left and right. Go watch K-1 you idiot.

Lesnar has been a champion. He has stated that MMA is now his thing; the man has shown he wants to win and will pursue winning like a champion.

Someone submitted him, so what? He knew the risks of fighting Mir. It wasn’t the first time he lost a match and might not be the last (his amateur record is 163-3).

“….that you first have to lose before you learn how not to lose. I don’t like to lose so I have to learn not to lose in this sport”

Am I correctly hearing that some people do not want a guy like that in the UFC? They do not want to watch his matches? Who are those people fooling? I know it, they know it and everyone knows it….the guy has game!

the hun

You’ve got to be kidding me! I mean the UFC pitted Hughes against Carlos Newton in his first fight in the Octagon. Seriously, to not give a man credit for the time he spent training in wrestling is ludicrous. Would you feel the same way about a man who has solely trained in Jiu Jitsu his whole damn life?

That was then ….this is now

The stand up was cheap, but I still think that the fight was good experience for Lesnar. Sure, he should have demolished Mir, and will do so in the rematch. Lesnar will be the HW champion come the 5th fight of his contract. Mark my words. How on earth is this possible?? Lesnar will be given a chump his next fight, whom he will demolish (the loser of the Cheick Kongo – Heath Herring fight). Then he will make his way up the ladder by demolishing Andrei Arlovski or maybe Brandon Vera (who isn’t even in the same class as Lesnar (the brilliant UFC matchmakers could have matched him up with anyone stylistically except an insanely accomplished submission artist. Any other striker – Lesnar would’ve ground and pounded to UFC 82). After this, they’ll feed the hungry Lesnar, the another former champion, Tim Sylvia. After he shows Timmy what conditioning is all about (no disrespect Pat, but damn, make that ogre work), he’ll get a title shot against Werdum. That should be a good fight. Definitely no shame is losing for Brock in his debut, and def no shame to the guys that he destroys on his way to the title.

we dont know if he can take a punch yet either. there are many things we still dont know. but we do know that he is an animal insanely strong and almost unstoppable cept for joint manipulation or lucky strike. i think he will mow through the whole division period. in two yrs he will be champ.

- theGuy, u were right, the stand up was in half guard, but IMO was a shitty and as Mir stated “Zombie Mode” guard. So I wouldnt consider it Mir’s “normal” life threatening guard. He was kinda turned away from him and on his way out (seeing white lights) which was my point and why I jumped down your throat.

So my apologize for that one.

But in no way do I think the point deduction was deserved for an accidental blow to the back of the head, and I still believe the stand up was bullsh1t, and a warning should have been the correct call.

Ref calls should be consistant no matter what the fighters size, ability, experience or name! and lets face it, inconsistencies are starting to occur way too frequently.

Rampage>Chuck at his best
NOG>Sylvia at his best
Silva>Franlkin at his best

Forrest beat a out of shape Shogun, who took the fight lightly and had no ACL

Gomi took Diaz lightley and gassed

See what I mean? Im not saying forest and diaz>Gomi.Shogun, until the rematch. Based on the fact gomi and Shogun have looked WAY better. flukes happen, look at chuck-jardine, serra-GSP. PRIDE fighters are supior, always have been. They came into UFC house and took 3 belts in the span of a fucking year. UFC would have never been able to do that in pRIDE

DENIAL.

Look the fact is that Brock Lesnar is a man/beast who was beating the hell out of Mir for the entire time. Infact, when they stood them up I couldn’t believe how badly he was beating on the former champ. Just the sheer dominance and power Lesnar displayed was jaw dropping. Of Course Frank Mir won though because his bjj is ridiculous and counters Brock Lesnar’s style perfectly. but honestly I think Brock lesnar just got dealt a bad hand and ya he will dominate his weightclass without a doubt and I’m pushin for Lesnar vs Tim Sylvia