Hahahah. He wanted out, but won a very close decision. Great social advancement you got there Burkman.

I agree he was the aggresor most of the fight and did do well controlling the octagon but I don’t feel he really won the fight. It was a draw at best. This is what happens when you leave it up to the judges Josh…no one to blame but yourself for not taking the fight. I think his bitterness is unwaranted.

Yeah, you stood in the middle of the cage and to show for it, you loss the fight.

i had read this already cant remember where anywho Swick was just rusted alil bit he hadnt fought in almost a year 10 months.

Swick’s decision to move to welterweight still seems like a cop-out to me. One loss, and you want to change weight classes? Like that’s the real issue? I think he’s got mental issues like GSP. After the first rnd. of the Okami fight he was beat, and Swick decided he would play it safe and try not to lose the Main Event Burkman fight.
The welterweights are too well rounded for Swick. He should’ve stayed at middle and bulked up a little.

Take down defense is effective grappling. Effective grappling gets scored before aggression and octagon control. Think of it this way, because it is pretty much how it went down in this fight: Say we saw a round where no punches or submissions are thrown. Fighter A attempts six take downs on fighter B. Fighter B stuffs everyone of those take downs. Who has proved to the superior fighter and tactician? Fighter B has. Mike Swick was fighter B.

I dont want to hear any excuses from Swicks fan base. He was the bigger guy, the more expericenced guy and was a flop in this fight. Josh was nervous for this fight and it showed. I was screaming at him to stop the takedown. He was doing a good job of getting inside and landing leather. But he wanted that take down so bad that he gassed himslef and cost him the fight. Swick v. Josh II.

Take down defense is effective grappling. Effective grappling gets scored before aggression and octagon control. Think of it this way, because it is pretty much how it went down in this fight: Say we saw a round where no punches or submissions are thrown. Fighter A attempts six take downs on fighter B. Fighter B stuffs everyone of those take downs. Who has proved to the superior fighter and tactician? Fighter B has. Mike Swick was fighter B.

You are crazy. Just because you made up some rules to scoring MMA, doesn’t make them a reality.

Swick won the stand-up. Burkman won the battle of foot stomps and attempted knee strikes. The fight was fairly scored, and Swick won.

Let’s face it – the fight stunk from a fans perspective. And yes, it did NOT live up to expectations. Swick won, in my opinion, because he was the more effecient striker (though he did not throw em like he usually does) and because he was able to neutralize Burkmans take down attempts. It reminded me of the Bisping/Hamill fight. In that fight Bisping was the more efficient striker as well (he didn’t throw haymakers, rather he picked Hamill apart).

When you leave the decision in the hands of the judges, these things happen (fighters feeling they’ve been robbed). Burkman faught well, but he lost because he couldn’t actually beat Swick. I hope the aggressive, technically effecient Swick returns next time he’s in the octagon. I used to love his fights…

Hes right. Swick was all timid. I called that before this fight even happen. I said….

“Swick will come out fierce and then get hit once and become scared.”

I called that one dead on. Burkman should have won by split decision. Too bad.

You are crazy. Just because you made up some rules to scoring MMA, doesn’t make them a reality.

Was there anything wrong with what I said? Would you like to give the fight to fighter A, who can do nothing to fighter B?

Was there anything wrong with what I said? Would you like to give the fight to fighter A, who can do nothing to fighter B?

I didn’t see the 3rd round..for some strange reason..but if I judged just the first two rounds..I would of gave it to Burkman.

I think the whole 10point must system in MMA doesn’t work..I like the Pride’s FC scoring system..to judge the whole fight in whole. Everyone plus Dana White says Boxing and MMA is like apples and oranges..but then why score a MMA fight with the same rules as Boxing (apples)???

Was there anything wrong with what I said? Would you like to give the fight to fighter A, who can do nothing to fighter B?

Burkman does have a point with him being the aggressor, I agree. One of the judges saw the fight as I saw it 29/29 a draw, neither guy did enough to win in my eyes.

Correction-2.’’Defensive’’grappling does not get scored before agression or octogon control,.

Regardless of how you score the fight, Burkman didn’t win. How can you award points for attempted takedowns? You can’t be awarded points for attempted strikes, can you, so why would you be awarded points for a failed takedown. All Burkman did was pin Swick against the fence. At least swick landed a couple head kicks.

so why dont do something about it during the fight.. unclassy guy you are

Burkman won.

I felt the fight could have been scored either way – IMO I think this fight should of been a draw – but I know no one wants a main event to end that way. When an entire fight’s scoring hinges on the possibility of a single takedown or strike then we’re at a draw… I dont feel Burkman has a right to blame Swick – Swick did a good job neutralizing Burkman’s takedowns against the cage – what else can Swick do when Burkman comes in an pushed him up against the cage?

I didn’t see the 3rd round..for some strange reason..but if I judged just the first two rounds..I would of gave it to Burkman.

I think the whole 10point must system in MMA doesn’t work..I like the Pride’s FC scoring system..to judge the whole fight in whole. Everyone plus Dana White says Boxing and MMA is like apples and oranges..but then why score a MMA fight with the same rules as Boxing (apples)???

PhilQNY: The pride scoring system was much better then the UFC’s current scoring system. Something needs to be done about it….The system is really flawed and I think something needs to be done about it.

Yo, I got some real interesting news about the TUF 7 season. Dana promised a major format change, and while many of us speculated that he would bring the team challenges back, Dana had a much bigger and better surprise in mind… Check it out:

“According to a source close to the show, “The Ultimate Fighter 7” will start with 32 cast members — not the usual 16 — and every one of them will have to fight as soon as the show begins. The 16 winners earn a spot in the house, and the 16 losers are sent packing for home.

Those fights will likely be televised at a breakneck speed, meaning the season’s first couple episodes should include 16 fights in total. That’s a far cry from past seasons of the reality series, when the first fight of the season sometimes didn’t take place until a second or even third episode."

I think that this is an excellent idea. The show was getting bashed because it was said to focus to much on the in-house-Drama, instead of the traininhg of the fighters. The quality of fights was also lacking. This new format is a good way of starting the season with 16 fighters who actually want to fight…. I dont pat Dana on the back often, but he really nailed it this time!

Take down defense is effective grappling. Effective grappling gets scored before aggression and octagon control. Think of it this way, because it is pretty much how it went down in this fight: Say we saw a round where no punches or submissions are thrown. Fighter A attempts six take downs on fighter B. Fighter B stuffs everyone of those take downs. Who has proved to the superior fighter and tactician? Fighter B has. Mike Swick was fighter B.

fuck that if thats the case then Chris Lytle beat Matt Serra on all 3 judges scorecards. not only did he stuff all takedown attempts but he would hit matt serra the whole time he was pressed against the fence.

if a takedown scores points than stuffing one. Burkman wanted the fight to go to the ground, Swick wanted it on his feet. Swick controlled where the fight went by stopping it from going where he didnt want it to. Thats octagon control.

Alright…maybe it should have been a draw…maybe Josh should have won…or maybe they got it right and Swick won. I agree with the few of you who said if Josh wanted to make sure he won…he should have put on a better effort in the cage.

What this article is all about here is the blame game for sure a piss poor boring fight.

Swick goes and tells people he was a little rusty and maybe felt sorta like a deer in head lights…fair enough.

Burkman goes and blames it on Swick for not being as aggressive. Not to add to the blame game…but in every fight be it MMA/boxing/kickboxing there is usually an agressor and one who relies on countering. Fair enough though.

The deal is…don’t matter who’s fault it is now. Swick got the win. That is the final decision. So quite your whinning or excuse making because neither of you guys are probably are going to be in a main event on a cable televised event. Or even on the main card of a PPV. Unless in either of your next fights prove to be a whole heck of a lot more entertaining.

As far as scoring who in the hell knows how these judges base their scoring system. I watch fights at home with 4-5 guys usually and when a fight with this little action takes place usually half of us are for one fighter and the other half are with the other.

My personal feeling about the result of the fight? Don’t know after round two I was to busy talking to my buddy about the KO by Wilson…man did Lambert ever get knocked out cold.

Take down defense is effective grappling. Effective grappling gets scored before aggression and octagon control.

That is incorrect, all four things are scored EQUALLY:
effective striking,
grappling,
aggression,
and octagon control.

As for the judging the fight:

- Burkman definitely won round one
- Round two was super close but I gave it to Swick mainly because he had a couple nice srikes.
- So that brings us to round 3, winner of the round takes the fight. NEITHER fighter displayed that they really wanted to win the fight in the 3rd round. Neither fighter had an andvantage in the 3rd. So I scored it 10-10

That would be a draw. One judge saw it my way. I don’t know how the other two saw Swick win two rounds. That fight SHOULD have been a DRAW. All 3 judges should have scored it like I did above, or at the very least with the one judge having it 29-29, one judge for Burkman 29-28 and one for Swick 29-28 would have been a draw as well.

I also believe that the judges did not get this fight right. Swick does not deserve a win on his record for that performance. All he did was stop takedowns…….

I dont really care about how that fight should have been judged. It was a bad fight and neither deserved a win. Swick should have stayed at 185 lb for 1 more fight…his opponent should have been bisping, but we all know that the UFC is protecting him and they wouldn’t have put that fight together anyway.

I do think that Bisping vs. Swick at 185 lb would have made for a good scrap!

very very true. its easy to see that Swick wanted out after being controlled all of the first round. Burkman should have gotten the decision, but UFC needs Swick to win i guess.

As for the judging the fight:

- Burkman definitely won round one
- Round two was super close but I gave it to Swick mainly because he had a couple nice srikes.
- So that brings us to round 3, winner of the round takes the fight. NEITHER fighter displayed that they really wanted to win the fight in the 3rd round. Neither fighter had an andvantage in the 3rd. So I scored it 10-10

That would be a draw. One judge saw it my way. I don’t know how the other two saw Swick win two rounds. That fight SHOULD have been a DRAW. All 3 judges should have scored it like I did above, or at the very least with the one judge having it 29-29, one judge for Burkman 29-28 and one for Swick 29-28 would have been a draw as well.

I also believe that the judges did not get this fight right. Swick does not deserve a win on his record for that performance. All he did was stop takedowns…….

It shouldn’t have even been ruled a draw. They should both get a loss for that crappy performance in a main event, but if that was the case Tim Sylvia’s record would be like (2-20)

Yo, I got some real interesting news about the TUF 7 season. Dana promised a major format change, and while many of us speculated that he would bring the team challenges back, Dana had a much bigger and better surprise in mind… Check it out:

“According to a source close to the show, “The Ultimate Fighter 7” will start with 32 cast members — not the usual 16 — and every one of them will have to fight as soon as the show begins. The 16 winners earn a spot in the house, and the 16 losers are sent packing for home.

Those fights will likely be televised at a breakneck speed, meaning the season’s first couple episodes should include 16 fights in total. That’s a far cry from past seasons of the reality series, when the first fight of the season sometimes didn’t take place until a second or even third episode."

I think that this is an excellent idea. The show was getting bashed because it was said to focus to much on the in-house-Drama, instead of the traininhg of the fighters. The quality of fights was also lacking. This new format is a good way of starting the season with 16 fighters who actually want to fight…. I dont pat Dana on the back often, but he really nailed it this time!

Ratings will go up. That is an awwsome idea..John we will be getting that good stuff with TUF 7..thx for the updates.

josh ran up and held onto swick. your b*&ch a## needs to go to wec. Going for a take down you never got does not mean you win.

Ratings will go up. That is an awwsome idea..John we will be getting that good stuff with TUF 7..thx for the updates.

No problem Phil…still know news about Jacre….I will let u know as soon as I hear something!

I guess the question here is what is scored better. A fighter who attempts 7 takedowns but gets none. Or a fighter who stuffs 7 takedown attempts. I think the fighter who stuffs the takedowns should get slightly more than the fighter attempting it because he is the one actually imposing his will. He wants to stay standind and if he stuffs the takedown then he still is.

Look at it this way, if a boxer throws 100 punches in a round but only lands 5 and the other boxer throws only 10 punches but connects on all 10 are we giving the boxer who threw 95 misses more points for attempting?

To me an attempt is not a completion and its not worth much to try something that doesnt work. He went for a triangle but didn’t sink it in yeah but he won the round cause he went for it that is laughable to if someone was to say that.

Swick won, boring but he won, I see no contraversy

i had swick winning also, the fact that take down after takedown swick stuffed them all, you gotta give him points for that, burkman is a poor loser can’t beat anyone who is a contender

This is soooo NOT boxing. Why did Swick have to stuff those takedown attempts??…hmm…because he was backpeddling the entire fight as Josh outworked him and chased him around the cage. An attempt at something…ANYTHING…holds far more weight than avoiding it aka running. Josh wanted to win whereas Swick didn’t want to get hurt. I’m shocked that some could even feel that the outcome was correct. There is no way in the world Swick won that fight. If anything, maybe, it was a draw but I had Josh winning.

All that said…the fight was still a complete bore!

As for the judging the fight:

- Burkman definitely won round one
- Round two was super close but I gave it to Swick mainly because he had a couple nice srikes.
- So that brings us to round 3, winner of the round takes the fight. NEITHER fighter displayed that they really wanted to win the fight in the 3rd round. Neither fighter had an andvantage in the 3rd. So I scored it 10-10

That would be a draw. One judge saw it my way. I don’t know how the other two saw Swick win two rounds. That fight SHOULD have been a DRAW. All 3 judges should have scored it like I did above, or at the very least with the one judge having it 29-29, one judge for Burkman 29-28 and one for Swick 29-28 would have been a draw as well.

I also believe that the judges did not get this fight right. Swick does not deserve a win on his record for that performance. All he did was stop takedowns…….

Yea, youre right. I absolutely hate the fact that Burkman got a loss for this. I agree, it should have been a draw. I think in the event of a draw, they should have a 4th round.

Swick’s decision to move to welterweight still seems like a cop-out to me. One loss, and you want to change weight classes? Like that’s the real issue? I think he’s got mental issues like GSP. After the first rnd. of the Okami fight he was beat, and Swick decided he would play it safe and try not to lose the Main Event Burkman fight.
The welterweights are too well rounded for Swick. He should’ve stayed at middle and bulked up a little.

No, it’s not like he moved down to 170 after the Okami fight. Swick said he started thinking about it after the Loiseau fight. If you look at that fight carefylly, Loiseau was able to take him down pretty easily. Loiseau also looked a lot bigger and I’m sure Swick felt his power.

That is incorrect, all four things are scored EQUALLY:
effective striking,
grappling,
aggression,
and octagon control.

Not according to an interview that Big John gave a while ago.

Everything was wrong with what you said.
1.Takedown defense is ‘not’ grappling. Period. Ever.
2.Grappling does not get scored before agression or octogon control,.
3. Don’t make up your own rules.

Did you answer my question? Would you give the fight to fighter A who can’t do a thing to fighter B?

As for TD defense not being grappling, lets look at the definition of grapple – “A struggle or contest in which the participants attempt to clutch or grip each other” If I was able to fend off your attempts to “clutch” me and exerted my strength and technique by “clutching” you with underhooks and the like to deter you, have I not effectively grappled?

Sounds like the words from a sore loser.

hmmmm. I’d love to give that a read, because at the beginning of every UFC event, I’m pretty sure they put the rules of the octagon on the screen and say that the judges judge the fight equally on ……… But of course I could be wrong, my memory has served me incorrectly on many more than one occassion………

Does anyone have the official ruling on this.

Yo, I got some real interesting news about the TUF 7 season. Dana promised a major format change, and while many of us speculated that he would bring the team challenges back, Dana had a much bigger and better surprise in mind… Check it out:

“According to a source close to the show, “The Ultimate Fighter 7” will start with 32 cast members — not the usual 16 — and every one of them will have to fight as soon as the show begins. The 16 winners earn a spot in the house, and the 16 losers are sent packing for home.

Those fights will likely be televised at a breakneck speed, meaning the season’s first couple episodes should include 16 fights in total. That’s a far cry from past seasons of the reality series, when the first fight of the season sometimes didn’t take place until a second or even third episode."

I think that this is an excellent idea. The show was getting bashed because it was said to focus to much on the in-house-Drama, instead of the traininhg of the fighters. The quality of fights was also lacking. This new format is a good way of starting the season with 16 fighters who actually want to fight…. I dont pat Dana on the back often, but he really nailed it this time!

Oh that will be so much better then watching 45 minutes of drama and 15 minutes of fighting.

I just watched a UFC into and the scoring said nothing about equality between effective striking, grappling, aggression, and octagon control.

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hmmmm. I’d love to give that a read, because at the beginning of every UFC event, I’m pretty sure they put the rules of the octagon on the screen and say that the judges judge the fight equally on ……… But of course I could be wrong, my memory has served me incorrectly on many more than one occassion………
Does anyone have the official ruling on this.

I tend to believe you are correct. They are judged in equal parts, depending on what was dished out in the fight.

If fighter A gets all of his takedowns stuffed by fighter B I believe A still gets a slight edge.

1. He is exibiting aggression.
2. He is exibiting ring control.
3. He is keeping fighter B from throwing any offense.

It is impossible to get hurt by a punch that is not thrown. That is why I had Burkman winning the fight, barely. Either way both fighters lost here and it will be reflected in contract negotiations in the future. Boring fighters just don’t get paid as much as exciting fighters.

Sore loser is right. Should have expressed this opinion during the fight by trying to take it to Swick instead of holding him against the cage. Maybe it was Burkman who was looking for safety. He didn’t seem too eager to stand and trade strikes, even when it was clear he wasn’t going to get Swick to the ground. Take your loss (albeit it a close one) like a man!

If fighter A gets all of his takedowns stuffed by fighter B I believe A still gets a slight edge.

1. He is exibiting aggression.
2. He is exibiting ring control.
3. He is keeping fighter B from throwing any offense.

I respectfully disagree. I think fighter B has proven to be the superior fighter and tactician. I would even argue that he is exhibiting more control. He is controlling both his body and his opponents. Fighter A, on the other hand, cannot control his opponent and is being controlled himself.

This fight should have been a No Contest. Or borefest. Shame, both are usually decent fighters.

Bet money they are both in Dana White’s doghouse.

Burkman was doing some real goofy things in there. Sure, you can catch a guy off guard and Shoney them right out once in a blue moon, but come on.

I just watched a UFC into and the scoring said nothing about equality between effective striking, grappling, aggression, and octagon control.

Come this Saturday I’ll have to pay close attention because know I am just flat out curious. Actually I got UFN still on my DVR. I’ll check it out when I get out of work.

Who is at home right now that can check it out?

Thanks,
VM

Did you answer my question? Would you give the fight to fighter A who can’t do a thing to fighter B?

As for TD defense not being grappling, lets look at the definition of grapple – “A struggle or contest in which the participants attempt to clutch or grip each other” If I was able to fend off your attempts to “clutch” me and exerted my strength and technique by “clutching” you with underhooks and the like to deter you, have I not effectively grappled?

sorry for the language

I respectfully disagree. I think fighter B has proven to be the superior fighter and tactician. I would even argue that he is exhibiting more control. He is controlling both his body and his opponents. Fighter A, on the other hand, cannot control his opponent and is being controlled himself.

WE should all just agree to be split on this. Some of us give the fighter attempting takedowns the edge, Some of us give the fighter stuffing the takedowns an edge. This is why you never leave it up to the judges because like us they have their own opinion on what they think is more important, who knows maybe three different judges would have gave it to burkman

No, it’s not like he moved down to 170 after the Okami fight. Swick said he started thinking about it after the Loiseau fight. If you look at that fight carefylly, Loiseau was able to take him down pretty easily. Loiseau also looked a lot bigger and I’m sure Swick felt his power.

I myself believe Swick hass mental issues. It clearly shows in any fight where he had to face mediocre talent. You can tell he fights safe and timid.

hmmmm. I’d love to give that a read, because at the beginning of every UFC event, I’m pretty sure they put the rules of the octagon on the screen and say that the judges judge the fight equally on ……… But of course I could be wrong, my memory has served me incorrectly on many more than one occassion………

Does anyone have the official ruling on this.

VM..here you go.

(a) All bouts will be evaluated and scored by three judges.

(b) The 10-Point Must System will be the standard system of scoring a
bout. Under the 10-Point Must Scoring System, 10 points must be awarded
to the winner of the round and nine points or less must be awarded to
the loser, except for a rare even round, which is scored (10-10).

© Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as
effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area,
effective aggressiveness and defense.

(d) Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques
appear in © above, giving the most weight in scoring to effective
striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and
effective aggressiveness and defense.

(e) Effective striking is judged by determining the total number of
legal heavy strikes landed by a contestant.

(f) Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of
successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of
factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount
position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position
fighters using an active, threatening guard.

(g) Fighting area control is judged by determining who is dictating the
pace, location and position of the bout. Examples of factors to consider
are countering a grappler’s attempt at takedown by remaining standing
and legally striking ; taking down an opponent to force a ground fight;
creating threatening submission attempts, passing the guard to achieve
mount, and creating striking opportunities.

(h) Effective aggressiveness means moving forward and landing a legal
strike.

(i) Effective defense means avoiding being struck, taken down or
reversed while countering with offensive attacks.

(j) The following objective scoring criteria shall be utilized by the
judges when scoring a round;

1. A round is to be scored as a 10-10 Round when both contestants
appear to be fighting evenly and neither contestant shows clear
dominance in a round;

2. A round is to be scored as a 10-9 Round when a contestant wins by a
close margin, landing the greater number of effective legal strikes,
grappling and other maneuvers;

3. A round is to be scored as a 10-8 Round when a contestant
overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.

4. A round is to be scored as a 10-7 Round when a contestant totally
dominates by striking or grappling in a round.

(k) Judges shall use a sliding scale and recognize the length of time
the fighters are either standing or on the ground, as follows:

1. If the mixed martial artists spent a majority of a round on the
canvas, then:
i. Effective grappling is weighed first; and
ii. Effective striking is then weighed

2. If the mixed martial artists spent a majority of a round standing,
then:
1. Effective striking is weighed first; and
2. Effective grappling is then weighed

3. If a round ends with a relatively even amount of standing and canvas
fighting, striking and grappling are weighed equally.

Burkman is in denial.

he wanted out but and burkman is the better fighter yet swick still won the fight does that make any sense to u people???

Yo, I got some real interesting news about the TUF 7 season. Dana promised a major format change, and while many of us speculated that he would bring the team challenges back, Dana had a much bigger and better surprise in mind… Check it out:

“According to a source close to the show, “The Ultimate Fighter 7” will start with 32 cast members — not the usual 16 — and every one of them will have to fight as soon as the show begins. The 16 winners earn a spot in the house, and the 16 losers are sent packing for home.

Those fights will likely be televised at a breakneck speed, meaning the season’s first couple episodes should include 16 fights in total. That’s a far cry from past seasons of the reality series, when the first fight of the season sometimes didn’t take place until a second or even third episode."

I think that this is an excellent idea. The show was getting bashed because it was said to focus to much on the in-house-Drama, instead of the traininhg of the fighters. The quality of fights was also lacking. This new format is a good way of starting the season with 16 fighters who actually want to fight…. I dont pat Dana on the back often, but he really nailed it this time!

Sweet! can’t wait.

Ya if there was a winner for that fight. It wasn’t Mike Swick. It was Josh Burkman. But I felt the fight was a draw at best…but definitely the fight shouldn’t of went swicks way.

Shut Up Burkman…

WHy are you people whining anyways?

If Burkman failed to finish the fight, its his own fault for letting the decisions go out of his hands.

Like Penn/GSP, Ortiz/Griffin, Hammil/Bisping all the losers had the same thing in common, failing to win their own fight. No point crying about it later on.

If the decision goes to judges, its your own fault.

PhilQNY…thanks for the juding breakdown. Great post! Based on that it even more solidifies my thinking that THERE IS NO WAY SWICK WON THAT FIGHT! Unless of course the judges fell asleep like I almost did because the fight was such a yawner.

Yea, youre right. I absolutely hate the fact that Burkman got a loss for this. I agree, it should have been a draw. I think in the event of a draw, they should have a 4th round.

This was fight was aweful…who really cares though? Neither of these guys is going anywhere in the welterweight division, and this fight proved it.

You are crazy. Just because you made up some rules to scoring MMA, doesn’t make them a reality.

Nah Hector the dude is right, it is all grappling, and Burkmen was not effective in any grappling he was doing to Swick. Not saying it makes Swick the overall best fighter, but as far as take downs go, if the whole fight was him FAILING to take Swick down, how do you score that?

Burkmen – “I’m so much better, I lost!!”

hmmmm. I’d love to give that a read, because at the beginning of every UFC event, I’m pretty sure they put the rules of the octagon on the screen and say that the judges judge the fight equally on ……… But of course I could be wrong, my memory has served me incorrectly on many more than one occassion………

Does anyone have the official ruling on this.

VM..here you go.

(a) All bouts will be evaluated and scored by three judges.

(b) The 10-Point Must System will be the standard system of scoring a
bout. Under the 10-Point Must Scoring System, 10 points must be awarded
to the winner of the round and nine points or less must be awarded to
the loser, except for a rare even round, which is scored (10-10).

© Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as
effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area,
effective aggressiveness and defense.

(d) Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques
appear in © above, giving the most weight in scoring to effective
striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and
effective aggressiveness and defense.

(e) Effective striking is judged by determining the total number of
legal heavy strikes landed by a contestant.

(f) Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of
successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of
factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount
position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position
fighters using an active, threatening guard.

(g) Fighting area control is judged by determining who is dictating the
pace, location and position of the bout. Examples of factors to consider
are countering a grappler’s attempt at takedown by remaining standing
and legally striking ; taking down an opponent to force a ground fight;
creating threatening submission attempts, passing the guard to achieve
mount, and creating striking opportunities.

(h) Effective aggressiveness means moving forward and landing a legal
strike.

(i) Effective defense means avoiding being struck, taken down or
reversed while countering with offensive attacks.

(j) The following objective scoring criteria shall be utilized by the
judges when scoring a round;

1. A round is to be scored as a 10-10 Round when both contestants
appear to be fighting evenly and neither contestant shows clear
dominance in a round;

2. A round is to be scored as a 10-9 Round when a contestant wins by a
close margin, landing the greater number of effective legal strikes,
grappling and other maneuvers;

3. A round is to be scored as a 10-8 Round when a contestant
overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.

4. A round is to be scored as a 10-7 Round when a contestant totally
dominates by striking or grappling in a round.

(k) Judges shall use a sliding scale and recognize the length of time
the fighters are either standing or on the ground, as follows:

1. If the mixed martial artists spent a majority of a round on the
canvas, then:
i. Effective grappling is weighed first; and
ii. Effective striking is then weighed

2. If the mixed martial artists spent a majority of a round standing,
then:
1. Effective striking is weighed first; and
2. Effective grappling is then weighed

3. If a round ends with a relatively even amount of standing and canvas
fighting, striking and grapplin

What a bunch of mumbo jumbo! How are u supposed to judge a fight like this. I understand wanting to make this a sport but at some point there has to be a criteria for the fight as a whole…After all at the end of the day this is still a fight! What happens in round 1 should not count as much as what happens in round 3, after the fighters incur all that damage, and they start gassing. Ift hey would judge the fight as a whole more weight could be given to what happens in the later rounds, but with this 10 point must scoring system you just cant do that. I dont claim to have all the answers but what I do know is that this system is really flawed and changes need to take place.

Josh is a punk making excuses. Any way you slice it, the fight sucked.

Both of them should have done more to win the fight.

I respectfully disagree. I think fighter B has proven to be the superior fighter and tactician. I would even argue that he is exhibiting more control. He is controlling both his body and his opponents. Fighter A, on the other hand, cannot control his opponent and is being controlled himself.

what the hell a & b stuff. burkman didn’t do anything but get his takedowns stop all night. burkman didn’t have ring control other wish the fight would have been on the ground way more then the couple of seconds that it was. burkman is in love with his own voice. he dosen’t know when 2 shut up. burkman sucks put him in the WEC! just get rid of him so they don’t have himtake up room on the fight card. stop takedowns & win against him & with him u know there coming. yea swick wasn’t throwing like liddell but he did do enough 2 win.

VM..here you go.

(a) All bouts will be evaluated and scored by three judges.

(b) The 10-Point Must System will be the standard system of scoring a
bout. Under the 10-Point Must Scoring System, 10 points must be awarded
to the winner of the round and nine points or less must be awarded to
the loser, except for a rare even round, which is scored (10-10).

© Judges shall evaluate mixed martial arts techniques, such as
effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area,
effective aggressiveness and defense.

(d) Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques
appear in © above, giving the most weight in scoring to effective
striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and
effective aggressiveness and defense.

(e) Effective striking is judged by determining the total number of
legal heavy strikes landed by a contestant.

(f) Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of
successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of
factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount
position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position
fighters using an active, threatening guard.

(g) Fighting area control is judged by determining who is dictating the
pace, location and position of the bout. Examples of factors to consider
are countering a grappler’s attempt at takedown by remaining standing
and legally striking ; taking down an opponent to force a ground fight;
creating threatening submission attempts, passing the guard to achieve
mount, and creating striking opportunities.

(h) Effective aggressiveness means moving forward and landing a legal
strike.

(i) Effective defense means avoiding being struck, taken down or
reversed while countering with offensive attacks.

(j) The following objective scoring criteria shall be utilized by the
judges when scoring a round;

1. A round is to be scored as a 10-10 Round when both contestants
appear to be fighting evenly and neither contestant shows clear
dominance in a round;

2. A round is to be scored as a 10-9 Round when a contestant wins by a
close margin, landing the greater number of effective legal strikes,
grappling and other maneuvers;

3. A round is to be scored as a 10-8 Round when a contestant
overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.

4. A round is to be scored as a 10-7 Round when a contestant totally
dominates by striking or grappling in a round.

(k) Judges shall use a sliding scale and recognize the length of time
the fighters are either standing or on the ground, as follows:

1. If the mixed martial artists spent a majority of a round on the
canvas, then:
i. Effective grappling is weighed first; and
ii. Effective striking is then weighed

2. If the mixed martial artists spent a majority of a round standing,
then:
1. Effective striking is weighed first; and
2. Effective grappling is then weighed

3. If a round ends with a relatively even amount of standing and canvas
fighting, striking and grappling are weighed equally.

THANK YOU very much Phil!!!! I never read that before.

At some point their has to be a “fight as a whole” criteria added to the scoring system. Should what happens in round one count as much as what happens in round 3 (after fatigue and Damage kicks in)? I dont think so, but as of now that is the reality of the scoring system. I think it is very flawed and it needs to be changed, if not altered!

you could have picked a more flattering picture of Burkman, he looks like freakin’ Gollum.