What does Sherk have in his arsenal that Hughes and Stevenson dont? NOTHING! This fight will go the same way as this past saturdays fight….it will also end in a rear naked choke!

I respect BJs incredible skills but I believe Sean Sherk is getting a raw deal with this steroid BS and has always carried himself as a professional.

I hope Sherk beats the crap out of BJ to shut up that arrogant MOFO and I’ll be betting that he does. Fact is if BJ doesn’t finish him with 2 rounds, BJ can kiss his belt goodbye.

I respect BJs incredible skills but I believe Sean Sherk is getting a raw deal with this steroid BS and has always carried himself as a professional.

I hope Sherk beats the crap out of BJ to shut up that arrogant MOFO and I’ll be betting that he does. Fact is if BJ doesn’t finish him with 2 rounds, BJ can kiss his belt goodbye.

What can sherk do that Hughes and stevenson couldn’t? Nothing they all have the same skill set. If you t hink Sherks takedowns, ju jitsu, and g n p is better then Hughes’s then u dont know what u r talking about. Penn dealt with Hughes when he wasnt in half as good of shape that he will be against Sherk.

I think Penn is right…Sherk is a dead man. No disrespect to Franca, but his ju jitsu is not on BJ’s level….then again no one’s is!

If you are looking for someone to dethrown Penn, u better find something different then a submission wrestler in great shape with good ground n pound, cause Penn has proved it time and again that those skill sets cant beat him!

I’m a die hard BJ Penn fan, but an article I just read on Sherdog made a good point.

Did it look like to anyone else that BJ Penn looked really gased when he won in the second round. I mean he was leaning up against the ref and Joe Rogan when they announced he was the winner and when he did the interview. I know BJ Penn has all the skills to win, but I know Sherk has no problem going 5 or even 7 rounds (maybe things will be different now though bc he’s off the juice).

Let me know if you concur.

im a fan of both guys.. and im sorry bj. im gonna go with the less conceited one. war sherk..

What can sherk do that Hughes and stevenson couldn’t? Nothing they all have the same skill set. If you t hink Sherks takedowns, ju jitsu, and g n p is better then Hughes’s then u dont know what u r talking about. Penn dealt with Hughes when he wasnt in half as good of shape that he will be against Sherk.

I think Penn is right…Sherk is a dead man. No disrespect to Franca, but his ju jitsu is not on BJ’s level….then again no one’s is!

If you are looking for someone to dethrown Penn, u better find something different then a submission wrestler in great shape with good ground n pound, cause Penn has proved it time and again that those skill sets cant beat him!

It’s real simple my friend. IF Sherk can avoid being submitted in the first two rounds (big if). He will grind out a decision when BJ runs out of gas. he might even get a stoppage if he can hold BJ down in a later round and pound on him. Don’t forget this will be a five round fight and Sherk has proven he can take some serious shots without being KO’d.

So basically. BJ is not likely to KO Sherk and if Sherk can avoid his subs for two rounds then the odds go to Sean’s favor as the fight progresses.

BJ is a little bitch. Sherk will show him that. Regardless of if he did steriods Franca did them too. So it was a fair fight.

I think Sherk could have handled himself a bit more professionally in the ring. But then I guess he feels that the belt was taken from him without justification. I guess they all can’t be GSP. I will be interested in seeing his levels of nandrolone after the next fight.

I think BJ will have a better take down defense then Franca does. I think if Sherk is going to shoot and then shoot again he’ll have a hard time. Plus BJ is better at striking. I think Sherk will have to apply a great deal of pressure and test BJ’s cardio (which still wasn’t fully tested in his last fight)

“What can sherk do that Hughes and stevenson couldn’t? Nothing they all have the same skill set. If you t hink Sherks takedowns, ju jitsu, and g n p is better then Hughes’s then u dont know what u r talking about. Penn dealt with Hughes when he wasnt in half as good of shape that he will be against Sherk.”

Well, let’s compare. Sherk has better takedowns than Hughes. Especially at 155 he is much faster. His boxing and more specifically hand speed is better than Hughes, also. Conditioning is equal if not better than Hughes which means it overwhelms BJPenn.com’s cardio. In fact, Hughes and Sherk are very much same animal and Hughes won their matchup largely on his size advantage. Sherk went the distance and BJ got stopped after eating about 40 straight shots to the face by Hughes.

All that said, it may seem as if I am saying Sherk will run through BJ. I’m not. But John, no way BJ runs thru Sherk either. I think it will be exciting as h*ll and can’t wait for this fight.

BJ is a little bitch. Sherk will show him that. Regardless of if he did steriods Franca did them too. So it was a fair fight.

Yea, why cant everyone do roids and be done with it… :s

I have to say BJ looked to be gassed to me either, At the beginning of the second round, even tough he had been beaten for five minutes, Joe Daddy appeared to have much more energy.

I love BJ but I think sherk will gas him out and control him in later rounds like GSP did

Sherk should arrange with the UFC to do random drug testing with an outside third party. He needs to do something to help clear his reputation. I personally believe him, especially since he passed his lie-detector.

I’m a die hard BJ Penn fan, but an article I just read on Sherdog made a good point.

Did it look like to anyone else that BJ Penn looked really gased when he won in the second round. I mean he was leaning up against the ref and Joe Rogan when they announced he was the winner and when he did the interview. I know BJ Penn has all the skills to win, but I know Sherk has no problem going 5 or even 7 rounds (maybe things will be different now though bc he’s off the juice).

Let me know if you concur.

I completely concur. BJ might have been doing a bit of acting with that leaning on Herb Dean but there is no doubt that Sherk will not run out of steam and BJ will.

I think Sean will win the fight against BJ. You can’t discount that Sherk is HIGHLY motivated in this one.

It’s real simple my friend. IF Sherk can avoid being submitted in the first two rounds (big if). He will grind out a decision when BJ runs out of gas. he might even get a stoppage if he can hold BJ down in a later round and pound on him. Don’t forget this will be a five round fight and Sherk has proven he can take some serious shots without being KO’d.

So basically. BJ is not likely to KO Sherk and if Sherk can avoid his subs for two rounds then the odds go to Sean’s favor as the fight progresses.

Dana Blanco, u make good points but I really dont see Sherk even lasting 3 rouds let alone 5. Sherk wants to take everyone to the ground. tHERE ARE 2 problems with that

1. BJ takedown defense is legendary. Its not the traditional sprawl that we see Chuck and everyone else use. Its a crazy takedown defense based on balance and Flexability (which no fighter comes close to matching BJ’s dexterity, maybe Akoi, but thats it). Sherk cant find a training partner that can mimick that takedown defense, so there is no real way of sherk to practice against it. There is a long list of fighters that had equal to or better takedowns then Sherk, who had fits trying to take BJ down, and most of them had trouble taking down the old and out of shape BJ…so imagine how those fights would have went against the new and well conditioned BJ.

Fighters who had trouble taking BJ down, that have takedowns on sherks level or better:

Joe daddy
Matt Hughe’s
GSP

2. Once sherk gets the fight to the ground, theres no way that he will be able to control BJ. BJ’s flexability will come into play again. BJ will scramble and use his circus freak like flexability to get dominant positions against Sherk, and ultimately get back control, control 1 of sherks arms with his monkey like legs (As he did Jens and Joe) and sink in the rear naked choke, no later then round 2

By the way, I dont think BJ breathing Heavily at the end of the fight has anything to do with how the fight will turn out.
I think BJ was in phenominal shape, not just for him, but for all fighters in general his conditioning was at a high level. Its just that after winning the fight, there is a releasa and all the emotions take over causing him to naturally breathe heavily. There aren’t many times that fighters dont breath heavily after the fights and during the interview with Rogan. A better judge of cardio, is how hard he is breathing in between rounds, not when the fight is over. He looked as good as one possably could in betweein round 1 and 2, and that hasn’t been the case in the past.

I will admit that there is no hard evidence that can prove that BJ’s newfound conditioning could hang with Sherk for 5 rounds. It would have been nice to see Joe put up a better fight and take the fight into the better rounds to evaluate how BJ could do in a 5 rounder against cardio machine sherk.
But BJ’s dominance came through and like I thought the fight didn’t make it to the 3rd round, which I strongly believe will be the same case in the sherk fight.

Sherk wont make it to round 3 against BJ. He will get choked out the same way Hughes, Jens, and Joe all did. I think highly of sherks skills. I dont like the roids and the fact that he fights like once a year, but his skills and conditioning I dont question. I just think that BJ matches up real well with anyone who’s gameplan is to take the fight to the ground and grapple with him. I dont think anyone at 155 or 170 can grapple with him……..REAL TALK!

I think Sherk could have handled himself a bit more professionally in the ring. But then I guess he feels that the belt was taken from him without justification. I guess they all can’t be GSP. I will be interested in seeing his levels of nandrolone after the next fight.

I think BJ will have a better take down defense then Franca does. I think if Sherk is going to shoot and then shoot again he’ll have a hard time. Plus BJ is better at striking. I think Sherk will have to apply a great deal of pressure and test BJ’s cardio (which still wasn’t fully tested in his last fight)

ARE U JOKEING BJ WAS TALKIN TRASH FIRST…THEN WHEN HE SAW SEAN WAS THERE HE CAME BACK TO SHAKE HIS HAND…BJ BETTER B PRAYING TO GOD THIS FIGHT ENDS EARLY IF IT GOES TO THE 2ND ROUND HE IS DONE I FOR 1 CANT WAIT TO SEE SEAN BEAT DOWN BJ IM SICK OF HIS COCKY ASS

I’m a die hard BJ Penn fan, but an article I just read on Sherdog made a good point.

Did it look like to anyone else that BJ Penn looked really gased when he won in the second round. I mean he was leaning up against the ref and Joe Rogan when they announced he was the winner and when he did the interview. I know BJ Penn has all the skills to win, but I know Sherk has no problem going 5 or even 7 rounds (maybe things will be different now though bc he’s off the juice).

Let me know if you concur.

I don’t think that was BJ looking gassed, I think it was a culmination of his relief that he has acheived what he wanted in taking the belt. He didn’t seem tired to me.

Sherk is going to tap out. Maybe not by rear naked choke, because he has no neck because he takes steroids, but he will tap out. Sherk cuts about 40lbs below his natural weight to fight guys he knows are smaller and not as strong as he is (its similar to Rich Franklin cutting weight to fight at lightweight) and when he has to fight one that has some actual talent and that may be an actual threat to his title(Franca) he takes steroids. I know franca took roids too but at least he manned p and took responsibility and his suspension like a man. There are plenty of guys who fight ad take tests afterwards and dont test posiive for steroids. You know why, because they dont take steroids!!! BJ was right when he called Sherk a cheater, because thats what he is and thats what he tried to do.I loved it when Rogan told him that it must be frustrating for him to hear when they announced BJ as the lightweightchamp. It was classic Rogan-teling it like it is and not giving a s*it who he said it to. I cant wait to see BJ with the title around his waist after the early stoppage of their fight. BJ is not as strong as Sean, but he has far more talent than Sherk ever will.

“What can sherk do that Hughes and stevenson couldn’t? Nothing they all have the same skill set. If you t hink Sherks takedowns, ju jitsu, and g n p is better then Hughes’s then u dont know what u r talking about. Penn dealt with Hughes when he wasnt in half as good of shape that he will be against Sherk.”

Well, let’s compare. Sherk has better takedowns than Hughes. Especially at 155 he is much faster. His boxing and more specifically hand speed is better than Hughes, also. Conditioning is equal if not better than Hughes which means it overwhelms BJPenn.com’s cardio.

In fact, Hughes and Sherk are very much same animal and Hughes won their matchup largely on his size advantage. Sherk went the distance and BJ got stopped after eating about 40 straight shots to the face by Hughes.

All that said, it may seem as if I am saying Sherk will run through BJ. I’m not.

But John, no way BJ runs thru Sherk either. I think it will be exciting as h*ll and can’t wait for this fight.

U forgot to comment on what happened in the first Hughes/Penn fight. I honestly dont see Sherk getting past round 3…He will have a hard time taking BJ down, but I will admit that he will eventually get him to the ground. The problem with that is that BJ is almost uncontrolable on the ground, and he will use his flexability to put himself in dominant positions.
The only time BJ has ever been controlled on the ground was against Hughe’s in their 2nd fightbut not until the 3rd round. BJ clearly came into that fight overconfident, and under conditioned and still was whooping on Hughe’s till the 3rd round when BJ’s rib broke. I think its a mistake for ANY AMERICAN fighters to go to the ground with BJ. The only American close to BJ’s skills is maybe Matt Serra, but still his unmatched flexability puts him at a whole other level!

You know how u know a fighter is the TRUTH? U know I fighter is the real deal when the only arguments that can be made against him are that someone else may have better cardio. Well guess what Cardio is much easier to improve on then skills and flexability.

With that said and based on everyones agruments against BJ beating Sherk:

All BJ needs to do to beat Sherk is improve conditioning, which is very doable.

but on the Flipside, Sherk has to iincrease all his skills, and somehow learn to put his legs behind his head and learn to use his legs like arms as well as probably improve on his stand up which is probably a little better then Joe daddy’s but no where near as good as GSP (who happens to be one of my favorite fighters, and BJ picked him apart standing in round 1)

I dont know how u see this thing, but as I pointed out clearly Sherk has a lot more work to do by May 25th in order to beat BJ, then BJ does in order to beat Sherk

Penn via submission in round 2 (rear naked choke)….which is what will happen to everysingle american wrestler that tries to take the fight to the ground against a conditioned BJ

This is shaping up to be the best year in the UFC by far. Other than UFC 81, there is nothing but killer cards on the horizon. I love it!

This is shaping up to be the best year in the UFC by far. Other than UFC 81, there is nothing but killer cards on the horizon. I love it!

Yeah, I agree, but the anorexic Heavyweight division is a big concern. Heavyweights have always been the main draw in all combat sports and with Randy Gone, Fedor Gone, Arlovski poised to join them, Gonzaga-Cro Cop-Verra all loosing. The heavyweight division should be a big concern to everyone. It is a mess, that looks to only get worse…Something has got to change, Mir needs to turn into Superman, Brock needs to start whipping out Gogo Plata’s, Kongo needs to start booting peoples heads to the nose bleed sevction….I dont know….Something has got to happen to spice up the division.

God give Noguerra the strength to save us from another title reign from the most boring champion in UFC history (about 50 times more boring then sherk) Tim Sylvia….PLEASE SAVE US, because it will be a dark day in mma if Sylvia walks away from UFC 81 with the belt around his sloppy waste

I completely concur. BJ might have been doing a bit of acting with that leaning on Herb Dean but there is no doubt that Sherk will not run out of steam and BJ will.

I think Sean will win the fight against BJ. You can’t discount that Sherk is HIGHLY motivated in this one.

You guys need to read the previous threads. There were a few theories why BJ looked gassed.

Theory one
Adrenaline rush for winning fight.

Theory two
BJ trying to give future opponents (Sherk) false impression about his cardio

Theory three (My theory)
He was being respectful to Joe ‘Daddy’. Trying to give the impression of a tough war but it wasn’t.

Theory four (Most unlikely)
He was genuinely gassed.

During the fight, BJ didn’t slow. When the fight was stopped, all of a sudden we had a ‘Rocky’ moment i.e. got up as if he threw has last punch with all he had left.

I love BJ but he is a poor actor.

He is a great and respectful fighter and was very respectful to Joe and his family and this is all it was.

I respect everyone that walks into the Octagon because it takes balls, but Sherk will not win. Sherk is good but not good enough.

if these are all on the same card ,this will be better then any card in 5 years

OK guys i have a crazy prediction. I am a BJ PENN fan so lets say by some small chance bj couldnt finish sherk it went to the judges ,they give the win to sherk only to test positive for STEROIDS again, i hope that sherk leaves for good nobody believes him except his wife and mom….lol

I’m a die hard BJ Penn fan, but an article I just read on Sherdog made a good point.

Did it look like to anyone else that BJ Penn looked really gased when he won in the second round. I mean he was leaning up against the ref and Joe Rogan when they announced he was the winner and when he did the interview. I know BJ Penn has all the skills to win, but I know Sherk has no problem going 5 or even 7 rounds (maybe things will be different now though bc he’s off the juice).

Let me know if you concur.

  I don’t think penn was gassed at all, just over come with emotion, he looked the same after he beat hughes. I’ve seen people get “weak” in the knee’s when there over come with emotion before and that’s exactly what penn looked like to me. Penn was in top shape, spars for hours and your telling me he’s gassed after 2 rounds with stevenson a fight he effortlessly dominated? C’mon people open up your minds a little bit, if someone falls to the canvas don’t just assume there tired, penn won the “light weight championship” his dream come true, many fighers do similar things like falling down when they do the next to impossible. As far as penn’s fight with sherk, I have to disagree with those who completely dismiss sherk, and think he’s just a carbon copy of stevenson and hughes. First off watch the sherk/st.pierre fight again if you think sherk has poor boxing, his striking is much better than hughe’s and is better than stevenson’s. MMA math doesn’t always work so don’t bother with that…A beats B and B beats C, don’t assume A with beat C it doesn’t always work. Styles make fights, sherk isn’t hughes or stevenson, there similar but not he same. I still think IF penn wins this fight it has to be by stoppage within 3 rounds, I’m calling it now IF it goes to a decision penn will lose, I’m sure of that.

I love the theme music Penn has chosen to ride out his reign on. (Hawaii 78/E Ala E BY Israel Kamakawiwo’ole) I used to love watching Penn storm towards the cage like he use to do but now i like the calm, confident, “Im the best”, bad ass way he enters the octagon, he looks like a warrior walking to a warriors Soundtrack. BAD ASS!!!

If anyone noticed, penn was acting “faint” or gassed in the locker room too after the fight, leaning on people… c’mon guys, it’s just his way, he’s done it after every big win he’s had. Watch him after a grueling fight with st.pierre which he lost, he looked somber and definitely not gassed when he should have been. I find it amusing how people just assume something like this, maybe wishful thinking I don’t know but I can assure you Penn wasn’t gassed.

Id go with a combo of the theorys, 1 2 and 3, but 4 LoL I hope Sherk saw the same “gased out” Penn that all you saw so he puts all his eggs into the basket of “testing Penn’s conditioning” To be honest, what else can you do, regardless of if your Sherk or GSP (In other words, do you think either one of these guys is going to submit or knock out BJ Penn???) LoL, NO, Both of their game plans are the same “try to out work ’em” HEHEHAHAHAHA!! By next year Sherk will just be a distant memory at the begining of this all, and GSP will soon be looking across the octagon at the one guy that he himself has to atleast say “Could have gone either way” (And he was a fat kid, whats this anaconda moving, lion attacking, precision striking to your dome BJ Penn gonna do to me" Then we will see whats what. . .

I love the theme music Penn has chosen to ride out his reign on. (Hawaii 78/E Ala E BY Israel Kamakawiwo’ole) I used to love watching Penn storm towards the cage like he use to do but now i like the calm, confident, “Im the best”, bad *ss way he enters the octagon, he looks like a warrior walking to a warriors Soundtrack. BAD *SS!!!

Id go with a combo of the theorys, 1 2 and 3, but 4 LoL I hope Sherk saw the same “gased out” Penn that all you saw so he puts all his eggs into the basket of “testing Penn’s conditioning” To be honest, what else can you do, regardless of if your Sherk or GSP (In other words, do you think either one of these guys is going to submit or knock out BJ Penn???) LoL, NO, Both of their game plans are the same “try to out work ’em” HEHEHAHAHAHA!! By next year Sherk will just be a distant memory at the begining of this all, and GSP will soon be looking across the octagon at the one guy that he himself has to atleast say “Could have gone either way” (And he was a fat kid, whats this anaconda moving, lion attacking, precision striking to your dome BJ Penn gonna do to me" Then we will see whats what. . .

Is that you BJ???? lol

I agree, it was a combo of the first three.

I think if BJ and GSP fought 10 times, each would win 5. I’m mega fans of both.

I’m mega fan of both……jeez :s

I’m a die hard BJ Penn fan, but an article I just read on Sherdog made a good point.

Did it look like to anyone else that BJ Penn looked really gased when he won in the second round. I mean he was leaning up against the ref and Joe Rogan when they announced he was the winner and when he did the interview. I know BJ Penn has all the skills to win, but I know Sherk has no problem going 5 or even 7 rounds (maybe things will be different now though bc he’s off the juice).

Let me know if you concur.

man dont you see it? BJ Penn lean against joe rogan & ref because he almost cried cause by hapiness he felt when he won, imagine won WW & LW title? & also remember when penn beats hughes,when penn’s corner is coming to reach him when he won he also fall down to the canvas because he cant carry the joy he felt, so BJ’s not gassed in UFC 80

What does Sherk have in his arsenal that Hughes and Stevenson dont? NOTHING! This fight will go the same way as this past saturdays fight….it will also end in a rear naked choke!

Yeah, I look at a few things as evidence that Sherk won’t be too much of a problem for Penn.

First, remember how Penn handled Matt Hughes’s takedown attempts. He stuffed most of them and was able to do a lot from his back, when Hughes finally did take him down. I can’t imagine that Sherk is any stronger than Hughes.

Second, remember how Sherk was handled by GSP. That fight wasn’t even close. The GSP vs. Penn fight, however, was extremely close. GSP, it could be argued, won by a takedown.

Penn’s standup is sharp and powerful. His jiu-jitsu is arguable the best. And his takedown defense is second to none.

The only way Sherk wins is by keeping this fight boring.

LET THE TRASH TALKING BEGIN!!!!

I love the theme music Penn has chosen to ride out his reign on. (Hawaii 78/E Ala E BY Israel Kamakawiwo’ole) I used to love watching Penn storm towards the cage like he use to do but now i like the calm, confident, “Im the best”, bad ass way he enters the octagon, he looks like a warrior walking to a warriors Soundtrack. BAD ASS!!!

They should have played that song after finishing Joe while still in the ring…Kind of like how Pride did after the main events had ended…It would have been a real cool moment…That song is dope, it like the calm before the storm,,,,its up there with the Fedor song.

Anyone know the names and the singers of Fedor and BJ
’s entry songs?

Is that you BJ???? lol

I agree, it was a combo of the first three.

I think if BJ and GSP fought 10 times, each would win 5. I’m mega fans of both.

Exactly! Let the trash talking begin.

First of all, BJ has shown once again why he’s a threat to both, the lightweight and welterweight divisions. Cardio may be a factor due to his performance during the GSP and Hughes fights. However, BJ managed to refocus, and is determine to demolish both weight classes. So far, he showed no mercy when fighting Pulver and Stevenson, impressing the judges and fans with his takedown defense, and illest jiu-jitsu talent. By far, BJ Penn will be on the top of his game for a long period of time.

Sherk on the other hand, is a mirrored reflection of matt hughes, but posseses extreme cardio. He showed everyone that he is at the top of the lightweight chain, but has never fought anyone close to BJ’s upper level skills than most jiu-jitsu fighters. (people don’t realize that when “rolling” with BJ Penn, his legs are like arms, or more like tentacles of an octupus!) This will definitely fustrate Sherk throughout the rounds, and eventually giving PENN either his upper or lower limbs. Better yet, givin’ up his back! haha.

I see this fight with BJ, submmitting Sherk in the late 2nd round due to a rear naked choke.

99.9%, all these trash talkers towards PENN will be hoppin’ on the f*uckin’ bandwagon after this fight… SUCKERS!

I completely concur. BJ might have been doing a bit of acting with that leaning on Herb Dean but there is no doubt that Sherk will not run out of steam and BJ will.

I think Sean will win the fight against BJ. You can’t discount that Sherk is HIGHLY motivated in this one.

BJ Penn was not tired. He went non stop that whole fight. He f’d stevenson up and he’ll do it to the muscle B*&$h.

I JUS PRAY THIS CARD COMES TRUE…GETTIN TO SEE BJ GET BEAT DOWN BY SEAN SHERK…AND ALSO THIAGO SILVA KILL THAT OVERRATED RASHAD IM JUNK EVANS EVANS HAS NO CHANCE IN THIS FIGHT AND ITS GREAT…TITO BEAT HIM DOWN BUT GOT ROBBED AND IM NOT SURE OVERRATED RASHAD BEAT BISPING

IM BETTING RASHAD FAKES AN INJURY LIKE SERRA TO GET OUT OF A SURE BEAT DOWN

JOHn i totally agree of what u mention i think bj was so happy that he accomplished what he wanted to so badly the belt.

I’ve watched boxing matches where someone will blow his load after getting his opponent in some trouble, hoping for a knockout, and later gassing because of the expended effort. I too am a big BJ Penn fan, but I can’t help but wonder what might have happened if the match went to a third round. Joe looked incredibly hyped, but BJ to start the 2nd round honestly looked a little bit tired. I’m not sure if anyone could keep that frenetic of a pace up for long without gassing, but that seems to be the contradiction; if you have your opponent in trouble, do you take the opportunity and go for the knockout, or do let him stand up, ala Chuck Liddel vs. Jeremy Horn II?

A question to all submission fans, who do you think is the best submissions specialist? I have seen alot of great submission grappling and think with out a doubt right know it is BJ, flexability is amazing watch any of his old submission videos and you will see. I hope for sherks sake this fight will not go to the ground because we all know what will happen. Something new to everyone has anyone checked out the Professional Submission League? Lots of great fighters, very technical and cool videos on you tube. This website called mma classicsc has the videos and the league just had it’s second event with Couture being one of the participants.

i wanna see bj win by gogoplata just cause its so tight and so technical

I see Sherk winning by boring decision

They should have played that song after finishing Joe while still in the ring…Kind of like how Pride did after the main events had ended…It would have been a real cool moment…That song is dope, it like the calm before the storm,,,,its up there with the Fedor song.

Anyone know the names and the singers of Fedor and BJ
‘s entry songs?

Hey JOHN Penn’s entrance song is done by “big IZ”, or just “IZ”, any one of those keywords should bring him up. He’s the same guy that does that Hawaii’n over the rainbow, he’s dead now and i get teh impression he is to Hawaii’n music, as Tupac and BIG are to rap.

I’m stoked for this card already!

Im stoked for the couple months of sh8t talking we all get to do with each other! Bring it, bring on the reasoning and arguements ‘til that UFC 85 theme music starts on our “set to record” on demand and other cable boxes!!
 And do we all agree that Joe Rogan knows his sh*t MMA wise? Cause for all you shirk fans, i would have to say Joe thinks pretty highly of BJ. Why would that be if BJ isnt as good as the “hype” Could it be because its not “hype” its fact And Sherk was on BJ’s nuts the entire fight; “That flexability wow!” “REALLY heavy hands” “You dont see that everyday” “Hes hard to prepare for” “From what ive heard BJ has trained hare for this fight” “He has an oppertunity here to establish a legacy” LoL If Sherk thinks he can really beat BJ then what op is he talking about to start a legacy, I mean, if Sherks gonna beat BJ then what kind of one win fluke legacy would BJ be starting . . . Sherk knows BJ will walk through him and has basically said it in everyway he can without actually saying “BJ can and will kick my *ss if we ever got into the cage together”

Exactly! Let the trash talking begin.

First of all, BJ has shown once again why he’s a threat to both, the lightweight and welterweight divisions. Cardio may be a factor due to his performance during the GSP and Hughes fights. However, BJ managed to refocus, and is determine to demolish both weight classes. So far, he showed no mercy when fighting Pulver and Stevenson, impressing the judges and fans with his takedown defense, and illest jiu-jitsu talent. By far, BJ Penn will be on the top of his game for a long period of time.

Sherk on the other hand, is a mirrored reflection of matt hughes, but posseses extreme cardio. He showed everyone that he is at the top of the lightweight chain, but has never fought anyone close to BJ’s upper level skills than most jiu-jitsu fighters. (people don’t realize that when “rolling” with BJ Penn, his legs are like arms, or more like tentacles of an octupus!) This will definitely fustrate Sherk throughout the rounds, and eventually giving PENN either his upper or lower limbs. Better yet, givin’ up his back! haha.

I see this fight with BJ, submmitting Sherk in the late 2nd round due to a rear naked choke.

99.9%, all these trash talkers towards PENN will be hoppin’ on the f*uckin’ bandwagon after this fight… SUCKERS!

I have been saying it for a while now, that BJ arm like legs will help him beat Sherk via rear naked choke no later then round 2! Bet my house on it!

And for all you guys saying “BJ lookied tired at the start of the second round” Watch it again, and listen to BJ’s corner telling BJ to “Let him go” They were telling BJ to let Joe wear himself down or atleast drop back down from the obvious adrenalin rush he had going on because of the urgency from the cut. So BJ outstrck Joe for a couple minutes then when he could see that Joe was no longer prancing around the ring and had settled back down RIGHT HOOK, TAKE DOWN, GROUND AND POUND, TRANSITION TO BACK SIDE, AND THE RNC!! ANd BJ doesnt lke to let guys just roll to give up there backs, he punches them ‘til they turn back over then punches them ’til they turn back over and punched them ’til they turn back over again, then he looks to finish! He like to punish and make sure that you know you just got your *ss kicked BJ’s bottom line to all opponents “Dont come back, ever!”

I answered that question in my second sentence : The songs Hawaii 78 (First 20 seconds) Then it goes into a song called E Ala E, both by a Hawaiian singer named Israel Kamakawiwo’ole Or Bruddah IZ. As far as BJs goes. I dont know Fedors . . .

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JOHn i totally agree of what u mention i think bj was so happy that he accomplished what he wanted to so badly the belt.

exactly I mean give the guy a break, can u not show emotion, should he not breathe to look tougher to the hater fans? I mean come on with all the nit picking, the guy just won the title that he spent his whole career chasing, can u say overwhelmed with emotion!

Im stoked for the couple months of sh8t talking we all get to do with each other! Bring it, bring on the reasoning and arguements ‘til that UFC 85 theme music starts on our “set to record” on demand and other cable boxes!!
And do we all agree that Joe Rogan knows his sh*t MMA wise? Cause for all you shirk fans, i would have to say Joe thinks pretty highly of BJ. Why would that be if BJ isnt as good as the “hype” Could it be because its not “hype” its fact And Sherk was on BJ’s nuts the entire fight; “That flexability wow!” “REALLY heavy hands” “You dont see that everyday” “Hes hard to prepare for” “From what ive heard BJ has trained hare for this fight” “He has an oppertunity here to establish a legacy” LoL If Sherk thinks he can really beat BJ then what op is he talking about to start a legacy, I mean, if Sherks gonna beat BJ then what kind of one win fluke legacy would BJ be starting . . . Sherk knows BJ will walk through him and has basically said it in everyway he can without actually saying “BJ can and will kick my *ss if we ever got into the cage together”

  LOL this sounds like penn, ya sherk is complimentary towards sherk, he would look stupid if he trashed him as a commentator. He just spoke the truth, penn has extremely good flexibility and he is hard to train for… good luck finding a training partner as flexible. I don’t agree sherk thinks penn will smoke him, thats crazy talk. I’m pretty sure he knows he’ll be a tough fight but I’m sure he thinks he’s going win.
   I personally think penn should win, but to say sherk has no chance is just dumb, this is an unpredictable sport. Yes penn is more skilled than sherk but I guarantee sherk will be faster,stronger and have better cardio. I don’t agree that stevenson is just like sherk, I definitely would but my money on sherk, stevenson is good but sherk is better, I think in every way. I see this fight being more like 60/40 in penns favor not 99/1 like a lot on this page seem to think.

exactly I mean give the guy a break, can u not show emotion, should he not breathe to look tougher to the hater fans? I mean come on with all the nit picking, the guy just won the title that he spent his whole career chasing, can u say overwhelmed with emotion!

I have been saying it for a while now, that BJ arm like legs will help him beat Sherk via rear naked choke no later then round 2! Bet my house on it!

I’ve made the “bet my house” comment in the past, I wouldn’t any more, I’ve seen too many upsets, I like my house.

LOL this sounds like penn, ya sherk is complimentary towards sherk, he would look stupid if he trashed him as a commentator. He just spoke the truth, penn has extremely good flexibility and he is hard to train for… good luck finding a training partner as flexible. I don’t agree sherk thinks penn will smoke him, thats crazy talk. I’m pretty sure he knows he’ll be a tough fight but I’m sure he thinks he’s going win.
I personally think penn should win, but to say sherk has no chance is just dumb, this is an unpredictable sport. Yes penn is more skilled than sherk but I guarantee sherk will be faster,stronger and have better cardio. I don’t agree that stevenson is just like sherk, I definitely would but my money on sherk, stevenson is good but sherk is better, I think in every way. I see this fight being more like 60/40 in penns favor not 99/1 like a lot on this page seem to think.

What does Sherk have in his arsenal that Hughes and Stevenson dont? NOTHING! This fight will go the same way as this past saturdays fight….it will also end in a rear naked choke!

  For one, I think he’s faster than either hughes or stevenson, I think he’s stronger than stevenson and has much better striking than hughes and is better than stevenson. I think he’s better than stevenson in every way, and better than hughes in every way too other than submissions and strength. You may be right and it might just look like stevenson/penn or it might resemble hughes/penn 2, you just never know, but penn should win.

Sherk should arrange with the UFC to do random drug testing with an outside third party. He needs to do something to help clear his reputation. I personally believe him, especially since he passed his lie-detector.

That’s a great point. Working with the UFC to stop steroid use instead of just denying allegations against him would go a long way for him.

For one, I think he’s faster than either hughes or stevenson, I think he’s stronger than stevenson and has much better striking than hughes and is better than stevenson. I think he’s better than stevenson in every way, and better than hughes in every way too other than submissions and strength. You may be right and it might just look like stevenson/penn or it might resemble hughes/penn 2, you just never know, but penn should win.

Pretty good write-up nathan.

sherk gets his title back…..tito returns with another victory….what a great night this can turn out to be!!!!!!!!!!

Sherk IS very hard to submit, he’s being subbed 0 times in 35 fights. Stevenson has been subbed 3 times in 36 fights, hughes 3 in 47 fights(actually 4 they count his first loss as a tko against dennis hallman, a Guillotine choke, weird). Sherk has a very thick muscular neck, thick muscular arms and is very strong, I doubt penn submits him, but if anyone could it would be penn. The only way I see penn getting sherks back is stunning him first from a punch, then taking his back, which is quite possible but sherk has a very hard head and is hard to rock, but I still see penn winning this fight.

BJ Penn vs. Sean Sherk, here is my take on it.

Standup:
Sherk has better hands than both Hughes and Stevenson and he’s quicker on his feet than both these guys. However, his arms are shorter than both as well. Sherk also does most of his stand-up damage using close-in hooks which doesn’t really help him with the reach. Sherk’s got minimal power in his hands. He focuses more on the speed of his combos (to throw opponents off balance and end with a shot) than the power when he’s throwing and he hasn’t hurt anybody with his hands for as long as I can remember. Sherk has been hurt on the feet but is known to have incredible recovery time.
BJ’s proven that he can really damage people with his hands, and in the Stevenson fight his boxing looked like it has improved in both power and technique. BJ’s got a great jab and good counter-punching that will pose a LOT of problems for Sherk. He will be able to time Sherk coming in to his range with jabs, straight combos, and uppercuts/hooks when he gets in close before he circles back out. This will help BJ slow down Sherk’s takedown attempts as he struggles to set them up and get inside.

Takedowns/Wrestling:

Sherk’s got arguably the quickest shot in the game right now. When he gets inside he’s really good at throwing a quick combo and then ending with a shot, and it’s just lightning quick. This has a lot to do with his short limbs and body as he is able to throw those little arms very quickly and change levels very quickly to shoot. However this only works when A, the opponent has a slow sprawl and B, he is close enough. It is not going to be easy for Sherk to get inside on BJ and I’m sure BJ’s gonna be practicing his sprawl like never before. The takedown will not come easy. If BJ is able to stuff the takedowns enough in the early rounds, this will effectively frustrate Sherk and dare I say even gas him some. But let’s face it, Sherk will probably get a few takedowns in this fight, but he will not be able to do anything with them. He won’t be able to pass and he won’t be able to do any damage from top. BJ’s defense on the ground is too good. Submission attempts from the bottom will always be a threat but BJ will use these in order to scramble and get to the feet or sweep more than actually submit Sherk. If BJ gets on top of Sherk, I think it’s gonna be much tougher to keep him on his back than Stevenson was, but he can do it.

Cardio will be the X-Factor of this fight:
BJ has yet to show that his cardio can hang with the likes of Sherk. The last 4 rounds BJ has shown us have looked better than ever, but again these fights only went to the 2nd round. Cardio should still be a question mark for everyone who does not watch him train for a fight first-hand.

That said, I got BJ winning. Even if his cardio isn’t phenomenally amazing, it’s obviously better than it ever was. I see him either finishing it within 3, or winning at least the first 3 rounds and then maybe slowing down the last 2 and letting Sherk lay on top of him. I really don’t think Sherk can hurt or finish even a gassed BJ Penn.

John how big or expensive is your house?

The one I live in, or my 8 bedroom beach house in the Carabean Island, Domenica?

I said it and i’ll say it again:BJ is on the same league with Anderson Silva And Lyoto Machida…Bruce Lee style fighters,with amazing skill set and menacing aura.I like Hughes and Franklin and [not so much] Sherk, but the only reason BJ lost some of his fights is ONLY because of his conditioning.BJ is a legend in form, much like Wanderlei Silva, in his prime.

Check out these bloody pics of BJ Penn vs. Stevenson fight. These are some of the best fight pics I have ever seen and at the end there is the video of after the fight when BJ Penn is licking Joe stevenson’s blood off of his own gloves…sick bastard, and we thought Florian was a vampire..

Please check out these pics and scroll down for more, u will all enjoy them

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When every one booed Sherk, that was a load of crap. I was on my feet applauding him and almost got killed by some UFC “fans”!!!
I can’t believe he is still being called a druggie after passing a lie tetector test and a blood test
Every has just seemed to forget that part
Not taking anyfing away from BJ. He is still an animal, but I’d love for Sherk to rectify the situation nd beat BJ to win HIS title back

i laugh when sherk’s past victorys are mentioned becasue as far as i’m concerned they don’t count because he tested positive for steroids. from here on out its a clean slate and we’ll see how he does when he isn’t roided up.

Bit of a throwback, but for those of you who think Sean Sherk’s takedown is unstoppable, rewatch Sean Sherk vs. Nick Diaz UFC 59. Sherk won a close decision in a fight where Nick had great takedown defense but looked sluggish everywhere else. BJ’s takedown defense is better than Nick’s. BJ is pretty much better than Nick everywhere, and Nick Diaz is no joke.

Watch Sherk’s strikes on the feet.. very quick combos but theyre all pretty much arm punches. And Sherk almost gives up trying to take Nick down halfway during the fight. This was his last fight at Welterweight, and went on to fight an inexperience Kenny Florian for the vacant LW title, and then an overrated Hermes Franca for his first defense. Sean Sherk is overrated.

Sherk is a juiced-out goon.
There’s no way he can beat BJ if he’s NOT juiced.
Sherk is waaaaaay overrated for sure.

You can call BJ’s’ attitude conceit, but I call it confidence.

screw the penn bandwagan. oh look im BJ penn “i have abs,im in shape”……. i have abs to does that mean sean sherk isnt ganna elbow me repeatedly till my head explodes….no..
hes had belts in two different weight classes. “what up now randy” unlike randy, BJ has defended his title how many times?? oh yea thats right he hasnt, to get to his title shot he didnt fight kenny florian,roger huerta, spencer fisher,tyson griffen,clay guida ect…….he fights jens pulver who dripping wet weighs wat? 152 lbs then to become the champ he beats joe stevenson…good fighter but beating him hardly shows that BJ is the pound for pound king…lets face it BJ..he thinks hes ganna win titles in all 5 weight classes…
155-sherk 170-GSP 185-anderson silva 205-rampage 206 randy
               ********GOOD LUCK BJ*********

Bit of a throwback, but for those of you who think Sean Sherk’s takedown is unstoppable, rewatch Sean Sherk vs. Nick Diaz UFC 59. Sherk won a close decision in a fight where Nick had great takedown defense but looked sluggish everywhere else. BJ’s takedown defense is better than Nick’s. BJ is pretty much better than Nick everywhere, and Nick Diaz is no joke.

Watch Sherk’s strikes on the feet.. very quick combos but theyre all pretty much arm punches. And Sherk almost gives up trying to take Nick down halfway during the fight. This was his last fight at Welterweight, and went on to fight an inexperience Kenny Florian for the vacant LW title, and then an overrated Hermes Franca for his first defense. Sean Sherk is overrated.

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I said it once i’ll say it again. Regarding Penn opponents – Sherk with his accomplishments and expiriance is by far the most worthy opponent in the LW division, next being Florian and probaby Edgar, and I still believe all of them would be out-done just like Stevenson. When Penn beats Sherk, I consider the LW division cleaned out as of now, until some of these lightweights become more expirianced and better, who is there, Huerta? I mean c’mon. I think due to this, his jump to WW will be sooner than expected.

Anomaly, I totally agree. A lot of people talk about how talented and deep the LW division is, but the truth of the matter is most LW fighters are young, inexperienced and still coming into their own. Many of them do show a ton of talent and potential but they have yet to reach the level of the top dogs in other weight classes (not a surprise since the LW division is relatively new). That’s part of the reason why Sherk is so overrated – because when people compare him to the rest of the division, he does seem to blow them out of the water but they forget that these guys are still up-and-comers.

I am looking at it from 2 perspectives. Sherk could not due much or did not do much when he fought Hughes and GSP. Penn Beat Hughes once and really should have won the GSP fight but 2 of the 3 judges did not see it the way alot of us saw it. So GSP got the call. Secondly I am going back to the Florian fight. Sherk did control most of the fight, sitting in Florian’s guard doing very little but killing time. Florian had him in trouble quite a few times with submission attempts. During the stand up exchanges Florian owned Sherk. That is why Sherk had to keep taking him down. Florian’s stand up and BJJ are not anywhere near BJs level. Florian was picking Sherk apart Sherk. Bj has a lot more KO power then Florian. If BJ’s hands can hurt GSP they will hurt Sherk. Sherk brings a skill set (lay n’ pray) wrestling that BJ is perfectly styled for. His flexability and ability to crawl onto your back grab and hold one of your arms with a leg, while sinking in the choke is phenomenal. The strongest of men would have a hard time fighting off a RNC with one arm. He did it to Pulver and Joe. Strength almost always is second to technique, especially when the Technique is coming from BJ. From 155# to the 205# that he fought Machida at there has been nobody to absolutely over power BJ. So in short what I am getting at is; as long as BJ comes in the condition that he came in against Joe Stevenson, Sherk loses in the 3rd round to some kind of submission.

For those of you who though BJ looked gassed at the end of the Stevenson fight it was not that. IT was just the culmination of all things. If any of you noticed he hardly even broke a sweat in the fight. Whe he was breathing heavy at the end it was after he he blew his wad (the adrenaline rush) on winning. Between rounds he was hardly winded.

“I am looking at it from 2 perspectives. Sherk could not due much or did not do much when he fought Hughes and GSP. Penn Beat Hughes once and really should have won the GSP fight but 2 of the 3 judges did not see it the way alot of us saw it. So GSP got the call.”
   He’s some facts you forgot to mention. Hughes loss to penn was a long time ago jan 2004 to be exact(4 years ago). When gsp fought penn mar 2006 he won a close decision, and every poll I’ve ever seen has gsp the winner, usually 2/3 or so favor gsp. The only damage penn did to gsp was in the first minute, and after that he did NOTHING, gsp landed far more kicks and punches after that and took him down 3 or 4 times, but did no visible damage to penn. Since the gsp/penn fight, penn fought hughes in sept 2006 and lost by tko. Gsp has fought hughes twice since penn/gsp, nov 2006 and dec 2007 both times totally dominating him and finishing him before the third round. Thought I would mention all the facts you forgot to mention pertaining to the gsp/penn fight, and by the way gsp would own penn if they fought again, sorry punishment and the anamoly, but its true.

IF GSP AND BJ FIGHT AGAIN BJ WONT SEE THE 2ND ROUND NOT A CHANCE

BJ IS NOT IN GSP WORLD ANYMORE

HELL HE ISNT IN SEAN SHERKS ANYMORE

“I am looking at it from 2 perspectives. Sherk could not due much or did not do much when he fought Hughes and GSP. Penn Beat Hughes once and really should have won the GSP fight but 2 of the 3 judges did not see it the way alot of us saw it. So GSP got the call.”
He’s some facts you forgot to mention. Hughes loss to penn was a long time ago jan 2004 to be exact(4 years ago). When gsp fought penn mar 2006 he won a close decision, and every poll I’ve ever seen has gsp the winner, usually 2/3 or so favor gsp. The only damage penn did to gsp was in the first minute, and after that he did NOTHING, gsp landed far more kicks and punches after that and took him down 3 or 4 times, but did no visible damage to penn. Since the gsp/penn fight, penn fought hughes in sept 2006 and lost by tko. Gsp has fought hughes twice since penn/gsp, nov 2006 and dec 2007 both times totally dominating him and finishing him before the third round. Thought I would mention all the facts you forgot to mention pertaining to the gsp/penn fight, and by the way gsp would own penn if they fought again, sorry punishment and the anamoly, but its true.

You know what bro, we will soon find out. It’s important to be patient. But you’r the only GSP fan I can really argue with realistically and have a friendly rivalrly with, ill give you that haha.

IF GSP AND BJ FIGHT AGAIN BJ WONT SEE THE 2ND ROUND NOT A CHANCE

BJ IS NOT IN GSP WORLD ANYMORE

HELL HE ISNT IN SEAN SHERKS ANYMORE

Dude, ill bet you this is Sherks last fight . . . Ill bet you he does not fight ever again after this fight with BJ Penn. Call it what you want “BJ’s gonna retire him” look at what im saying as what ever you want, wether its Sherks decision not to, or cause he cant (Because of Penn) Bottom line is, Sherks never seen inside an octagon again for any reason.
 And get real man, Yea, Penn wouldnt make it out of round one with GSP LOLLLLLLL!! HAHAHAH!! Why is that, is GSP gonna hold Penn against the cage to death?? LoL Or is he gonna knock Penn out for the first time in Penns career?? I think GSP should work on making contact with Penns head before GSP can think about knocking Penn out LoL!! Or is GSP gonna submit BJ for the first time in his career, probably not seeing as how GSP is what, a purple belt in BJJ and BJ has been a master black belt for a decade now! And is more flexible and in better shape then that fat kid GSP barely beat a year or so ago! LOLLLLLLLL Are yo kidding me!

Penn is definitely st.pierre’s greatest competition, welter weight and down, the only other guy who comes to mind is fitch. Penn and st.pierre really do need to fight again as everyone who gets a split decision should. Another interesting match up would be serra and penn, there first fight was very close also, serra and penn are similar to me with penn just being a better version of serra. When gsp and penn fight again the one who wins will be the one who has improved the most since there last fight, which was extremely close, with no clear winner but I “feel” gsp did more than penn did in rounds 2 and 3.
   10 fights I want to see the most.

  penn vs gsp 2
  serra vs gsp 2
  Penn vs serra 2
  fitch vs gsp
  penn vs hughes 3
  serra vs hughes
  a silva vs gsp
  a silva vs hendo
  hendo vs gsp
  fedor vs randy

“I am looking at it from 2 perspectives. Sherk could not due much or did not do much when he fought Hughes and GSP. Penn Beat Hughes once and really should have won the GSP fight but 2 of the 3 judges did not see it the way alot of us saw it. So GSP got the call.”
He’s some facts you forgot to mention. Hughes loss to penn was a long time ago jan 2004 to be exact(4 years ago). When gsp fought penn mar 2006 he won a close decision, and every poll I’ve ever seen has gsp the winner, usually 2/3 or so favor gsp. The only damage penn did to gsp was in the first minute, and after that he did NOTHING, gsp landed far more kicks and punches after that and took him down 3 or 4 times, but did no visible damage to penn. Since the gsp/penn fight, penn fought hughes in sept 2006 and lost by tko. Gsp has fought hughes twice since penn/gsp, nov 2006 and dec 2007 both times totally dominating him and finishing him before the third round. Thought I would mention all the facts you forgot to mention pertaining to the gsp/penn fight, and by the way gsp would own penn if they fought again, sorry punishment and the anamoly, but its true.

Heres a fact you forgot to mention, that BJ Penn does not exist anymore, and he wants GSP ASAP, bottom line.

Heres a fact you forgot to mention, that BJ Penn does not exist anymore, and he wants GSP ASAP, bottom line.

Penn is definitely st.pierre’s greatest competition, welter weight and down, the only other guy who comes to mind is fitch. Penn and st.pierre really do need to fight again as everyone who gets a split decision should. Another interesting match up would be serra and penn, there first fight was very close also, serra and penn are similar to me with penn just being a better version of serra. When gsp and penn fight again the one who wins will be the one who has improved the most since there last fight, which was extremely close, with no clear winner but I “feel” gsp did more than penn did in rounds 2 and 3.
10 fights I want to see the most.

penn vs gsp 2
serra vs gsp 2
Penn vs serra 2
fitch vs gsp
penn vs hughes 3
serra vs hughes
a silva vs gsp
a silva vs hendo
hendo vs gsp
fedor vs randy

While were talking about dream fights, lemme say this. That anybody Hughes can even THINK about fighting, I believe Penn would do MUCH better. And remember, Hughes thought about Anderson, so you know where I stand on that. Now hear me out. Everyone who has tried, has gotten Anderson on his back. Marquart, Franklin, and Lutter. If all of them can, I beleive Penn can as well. And do you believe any of those fighters have a better chance of finishing it on the ground than Penn does?
Regarding stand up. Lets use common opponents. Penn did MUCH better against the HW machida then Franklin did, is it illogical to think he’d also stand up with Anderson better than Rich did? Which doesnt say much, but c’mon, how illogical am i really being?

My money is on Hendo to win against Anderson, because my money is that it will go to the ground. And for me, the same can be said if Anderson fought GSP, and Penn, hell, maybe even serra.

While were talking about dream fights, lemme say this. That anybody Hughes can even THINK about fighting, I believe Penn would do MUCH better. And remember, Hughes thought about Anderson, so you know where I stand on that. Now hear me out. Everyone who has tried, has gotten Anderson on his back. Marquart, Franklin, and Lutter. If all of them can, I beleive Penn can as well. And do you believe any of those fighters have a better chance of finishing it on the ground than Penn does?
Regarding stand up. Lets use common opponents. Penn did MUCH better against the HW machida then Franklin did, is it illogical to think he’d also stand up with Anderson better than Rich did? Which doesnt say much, but c’mon, how illogical am i really being?

I agree penn/a silva would be a good fight, if penn could get silva down, he has a better chance than anyone finishing the fight. A silva isn’t so hard to take down but he’s kind of hard to keep down, but he hasn’t fought a really good wrestler in years, so henderson should win this fight. You make some good points about penn, but I would definitely give A Silva the advantage on there feet…. against ANYBODY, but if penn could get him down penn is in my opinion the most dangerous fighter on the ground…period IMO.

Anomaly and Nathan: u guys all made some great points that I agree with. Besides Henderson, I think GSP and BJ Penn are the only UFC employess at 185 lbs or under that have a legit shot at beating the spider. As u pointed out i think BJ is the best submission fighter on the ground, and Silva is easy to takedown, but hard to keep down. It would make for a great fight, but I want to see Penn wipe out the whole Lightweight division 1st. Remeber BJ is still young and will have plenty of time to move up in weight to challenge other elite fighters at heavier weights classes, but 1st I want to see:

BJ Penn vs. Sherk
Bj Penn vs. Florian
BJ vs. Huerta
Bj vs. Edgar
Bj vs. Gomi (rematch)
Bj vs. Griffin
Bj vs. Guida

after he cleans up that division, then he should move up. I say that he should dedicate the next 2 years to the Lightweight division, and come 2010, just start taking on the best fighters at 170 and maybe even 185 lb

Before Matt Hughes retires I would like to see the new BJ, finish Hughes won last time to win the series against Hughes…that fight has to happen before Hughe’s retires.

Don’t worry GSP vs. Penn is inevitable, they are both young and after they clean up their divisions they will fight in a mega figh/huge pay day for both of them!

BJ penn doesn’t exist anymore???? O.K….penn(is that still his name?) is light weight right now and has to beat sherk first before he can even think about fighting gsp, if he wants gsp he has to earn gsp.

if he wants gsp he has to earn gsp.

If Penn beats Sherk he is the dominant LW champ, after Sherk like I have said, I consider the division cleaned out. And at that point, Penn has as much right to GSP, as GSP has to Anderson, so if one is going to say that Penn does not deserve GSP, I better not hear any talk from that person of GSP/Anderson.

If Penn beats Sherk he is the dominant LW champ, after Sherk like I have said, I consider the division cleaned out. And at that point, Penn has as much right to GSP, as GSP has to Anderson, so if one is going to say that Penn does not deserve GSP, I better not hear any talk from that person of GSP/Anderson.

I agree, gsp definitely doesn’t deserve a silva right now and I’m not sure he’s ready for him just yet, he has to beat serra and fitch first in my mind before he should even consider moving up. And I agree with john, penn should fight at least a few times in that division and beat the best and when theres absolutely no argument that penn is the best, have him move up and fight the welter weight champ who ever that is. Penn is a young guy like gsp they really have the ability to hold the belt in there division for a long time and should try to make the most of it. Some of these dream fights are interesting but might not happen for 2 or 3 years, which is fine by me, I just hope they happen.

That’s true. I , however don’t want to see what happend with Liddell and Wanderlei happen with Penn and GSP. If for some unseen reason, Penn and GSP suffer from a string of losses(Which I highly doubt) than the match might not have all the excitemnt than it would have if it had been made earlier. I know that the Liddell/Wandy fight was one for the ages, but I know many of us wondered if the fight was going to live up to the hype. But whatever happens, Penn/GSP 2 will always be my dream match.

“Ummmm not even sure if you understood me bro, i said THAT BJ Penn doesnt exist anymore, like im telling you there is a new BJ Penn out there, like BJ Penn is a new man, get it or should i spell it out clearer for you. And earn GSP?? LoL Everyone talks about Penn’s previous wins to loss ratio and so on, so lets look at GSPs last couple of fights ; He picked apart an over the hill Matt Hughes, then got knocked the F*CK out by Matt Serra (A guy that BJ has already beaten), then demolished a REALLY over the hill Matt Hughes and is about to fight Matt Serra again (and i hope he kicks Serra’s *ss hardcore!) BJ has faughten, GSP, Matt Hughes, Jens Pulver (over the hill but still a champion in his own right), Stevenson for a title and is about to fight another champion in Sean Sherk. Nothing but pure breads on that list if you ask me . . . OK Sherk might not be pure LoL but a champ just the same.
   LOL I realized what you meant after I posted my comment, but it was too late, the old penn is gone and the new and improved penn is here, I got it. I totally don’t agree with your statement that matt hughes is over the hill, he just happened to fight someone who’s better in every way than him and is a bad match up style wise for gsp. I still think hughes could beat over 90 percent of the welter weights in MMA. Its kind of like how A Silva destroyed franklin twice, doesn’t mean he’s franklins over the hill, it means silva is a bad match up style wise for franklin. To use your analogy, the gsp who got his arse kicked at ufc 69 isn’t the same gsp who destroyed hughes at ufc 79….he was very mentally focused and physically very prepared. The gsp at ufc 69 was nervous, unprepared and underestimated serra’s striking (he’s dangerous in the pocket) and paid for it. Like penn, I feel gsp is better than ever, and has looked great in his last two fights, I’m pretty sure he’ll get his belt back come april, and we’ll see a completely different fight.

“Ummmm not even sure if you understood me bro, i said THAT BJ Penn doesnt exist anymore, like im telling you there is a new BJ Penn out there, like BJ Penn is a new man, get it or should i spell it out clearer for you. And earn GSP?? LoL Everyone talks about Penn’s previous wins to loss ratio and so on, so lets look at GSPs last couple of fights ; He picked apart an over the hill Matt Hughes, then got knocked the F*CK out by Matt Serra (A guy that BJ has already beaten), then demolished a REALLY over the hill Matt Hughes and is about to fight Matt Serra again (and i hope he kicks Serra’s *ss hardcore!) BJ has faughten, GSP, Matt Hughes, Jens Pulver (over the hill but still a champion in his own right), Stevenson for a title and is about to fight another champion in Sean Sherk. Nothing but pure breads on that list if you ask me . . . OK Sherk might not be pure LoL but a champ just the same.
LOL I realized what you meant after I posted my comment, but it was too late, the old penn is gone and the new and improved penn is here, I got it. I totally don’t agree with your statement that matt hughes is over the hill, he just happened to fight someone who’s better in every way than him and is a bad match up style wise for gsp. I still think hughes could beat over 90 percent of the welter weights in MMA. Its kind of like how A Silva destroyed franklin twice, doesn’t mean he’s franklins over the hill, it means silva is a bad match up style wise for franklin. To use your analogy, the gsp who got his arse kicked at ufc 69 isn’t the same gsp who destroyed hughes at ufc 79….he was very mentally focused and physically very prepared. The gsp at ufc 69 was nervous, unprepared and underestimated serra’s striking (he’s dangerous in the pocket) and paid for it. Like penn, I feel gsp is better than ever, and has looked great in his last two fights, I’m pretty sure he’ll get his belt back come april, and we’ll see a completely different fight.

Who are you quoting?

Ummmm not even sure if you understood me bro, i said THAT BJ Penn doesnt exist anymore, like im telling you there is a new BJ Penn out there, like BJ Penn is a new man, get it or should i spell it out clearer for you. And earn GSP?? LoL Everyone talks about Penn’s previous wins to loss ratio and so on, so lets look at GSPs last couple of fights ; He picked apart an over the hill Matt Hughes, then got knocked the F*CK out by Matt Serra (A guy that BJ has already beaten), then demolished a REALLY over the hill Matt Hughes and is about to fight Matt Serra again (and i hope he kicks Serra’s *ss hardcore!) BJ has faughten, GSP, Matt Hughes, Jens Pulver (over the hill but still a champion in his own right), Stevenson for a title and is about to fight another champion in Sean Sherk. Nothing but pure breads on that list if you ask me . . . OK Sherk might not be pure LoL but a champ just the same.

adamg, I guess I should have said. I’ve heard so many people say hughes is crap and over the hill, but I really think his poor performance is more of a testament to gsp’s improvement and skill rather than to hughes decline. I think hughes is pretty much the same which is a problem in and of itself if the guys around you are improving.
      I really believe hughes could beat over 90 percent of his division just like franklin, but gsp is the anderson silva of the welter weights. And serra is the Ryo Chonan of the welter weights, but I think if silva fought chonan again it would be a different story, just as when serra fights gsp again things will be different(I hope to god at least).

“I am looking at it from 2 perspectives. Sherk could not due much or did not do much when he fought Hughes and GSP. Penn Beat Hughes once and really should have won the GSP fight but 2 of the 3 judges did not see it the way alot of us saw it. So GSP got the call.”
He’s some facts you forgot to mention. Hughes loss to penn was a long time ago jan 2004 to be exact(4 years ago). When gsp fought penn mar 2006 he won a close decision, and every poll I’ve ever seen has gsp the winner, usually 2/3 or so favor gsp. The only damage penn did to gsp was in the first minute, and after that he did NOTHING, gsp landed far more kicks and punches after that and took him down 3 or 4 times, but did no visible damage to penn. Since the gsp/penn fight, penn fought hughes in sept 2006 and lost by tko. Gsp has fought hughes twice since penn/gsp, nov 2006 and dec 2007 both times totally dominating him and finishing him before the third round. Thought I would mention all the facts you forgot to mention pertaining to the gsp/penn fight, and by the way gsp would own penn if they fought again, sorry punishment and the anamoly, but its true.

I think you need to watch the fight again…mmalinker.com has it to download for free. He owns him the first 2 rounds the 3rd is where the questioning comes in with the 4 and 5 gsp laying ontop of BJ and outstriking him in only those 2 rounds. I watched the fight yesterday. That was my opinion anyway. I am just curious you seriously think he would own Penn? I do not think pen would own GSP but it would be close in both points of their careers right now. What aspect do you suppose he owns him in? The BJJ that he earned a black belt faster then any other american? The stand up? They both have their strong points in the standup. BJ I think has better hands, GSP better kicks. IS he going to struggle to take him down over and over again like the last fight. Just curious what he so much more dominant than BJ except wrestling, which I think BJ cancels out because of his BJJ.

adamg, I guess I should have said. I’ve heard so many people say hughes is crap and over the hill, but I really think his poor performance is more of a testament to gsp’s improvement and skill rather than to hughes decline. I think hughes is pretty much the same which is a problem in and of itself if the guys around you are improving.
I really believe hughes could beat over 90 percent of his division just like franklin, but gsp is the anderson silva of the welter weights. And serra is the Ryo Chonan of the welter weights, but I think if silva fought chonan again it would be a different story, just as when serra fights gsp again things will be different(I hope to god at least).

OK OK I take back the over the hill remark, I agree that GSP looked awesome against Hughes and th BJJ that GSP used to close out Hughes had to even have BJ Penn thinking “NICE!” I think we all agree that Penn/GSP#2 and #3 will be some of the best fighting (ground or standup) that we will all see in our lifetimes, the best!! Im just happy its happening in my lifetime, like Jordan, could you imagine not getting to see and watch Jordan but just hear the fairytales of the great things and games he played, now imagine if all we had were tales of BJ and GSP, it would beyond suck!!

I think you need to watch the fight again…mmalinker.com has it to download for free. He owns him the first 2 rounds the 3rd is where the questioning comes in with the 4 and 5 gsp laying ontop of BJ and outstriking him in only those 2 rounds.

I watched the fight yesterday. That was my opinion anyway. I am just curious you seriously think he would own Penn? I do not think pen would own GSP but it would be close in both points of their careers right now. What aspect do you suppose he owns him in? The BJJ that he earned a black belt faster then any other american? The stand up? They both have their strong points in the standup. BJ I think has better hands, GSP better kicks. IS he going to struggle to take him down over and over again like the last fight. Just curious what he so much more dominant than BJ except wrestling, which I think BJ cancels out because of his BJJ.

               Your obviously in the 1/3 of people who thinks penn won and I’m in the 2/3 who thinks gsp won, whatever we disagree, that’s o.k. I doubt gsp would struggle at all now if he chose to take penn down, I feel very confident he could do it pretty easily now after watching him take down both hughes and koscheck so easily, his wrestling has gotten much better. Your going by there fight back in mar 2006, close to 2 years ago, like I said earlier the winner will be the one who has improved the most which I think is gsp, he’s close to a black belt now with his bjj so it won’t be the same. Its just my opinion thats all, since there fight all I can go on is there fights since then, they both fought hughes since then penn lost and gsp beat him twice. I know mma math doesn’t work but I have nothing else to go on, I honestly feel if they fought right now gsp would win and probably finish penn, just my opinion, just like you, the anamoly, punishment thinks penn would win, only way we’ll know for sure is to have them fight.

I did what you said Da monkey and again I have to agree with eddie bravo. Round 1 penn 10-9, rounds 2 gsp 10-9, rounds 3 gsp 10-9. Penn came off very aggressive and dominated the first half of round one and was very effective in the pocket and can say he won that round. Gsp was more the aggressor in rounds 2, takes penn down a couple times, is landing good jabs and wins round 2 barely. Round 3 penn seems gassed and gsp takes him down again 2 times and again is the aggressor landing some shots and again takes round 3. Da Monkey you have a very interesting view of the word owns, as you describes penn owning gsp in rounds 2, getting taken down twice is owning?, gsp was the aggressor in that round, can’t see what your talking about. Penn did seem to gas in rounds 2 and 3 I think because he came out like a madman in rounds 1, maybe an adrenaline rush or something, he looked fantastic for the first 2 or 3 minutes, but faded more in each round. I guess what it comes down to is what a spectator values more, take downs, submission attempt, number of punches, damage, who bleeds more, I guess we all see things differently.

BJ Penn is the G.O.A.T., hes not arrogant just confident, but wouldn’t you be if you had his skills, everyone he lost to he was beating before gassing, against GSP I had him winning the whole fight he fucked GSP’s face all up no one else has done that in MMA when he re matched Matt Hughes he was fucki’n him up till he gassed, he won the first and was winning the second round also, now that hes training correctly everyone better eat their wheaties this guy is the real deal and yes I hope he beats that Idiot Sherk, In my opinion Sherk put himself in that situation by using the juice, so thats why he was side lined but now he gets to redeem himself without the juice, we will have to see what happens, Im pretty sure my boy BJ will win

Good news to many people are to hyped up on GSP in my opinion hes average especially after the loss to Matt the Lil terror Serra, If BJ beats Sherk and GSP beats Serra they will have a fight again to see who is the best, look under MMA news for this info, I hope that fight does happen and BJ beats the shit out of Pierre thats if they dont rob him of the decision again, yes George had 2 take downs in the third but did he do anything with it no, BJ got up right away and did the most damage, now to all you Pierre fans, at the end of that fight whose face was all messed up and bloody who looked like the real looser, thats what I thought, did BJ even have a scratch, Nope Sho didnt, Pierre tried covering up his head with that black cap couldnt cover up the damage, Face it peeps BJ’s th man plus he has already beat Matt Serra along with Tokanori Gomi another bad dude very few have beat.

Good news to many people are to hyped up on GSP in my opinion hes average especially after the loss to Matt the Lil terror Serra, If BJ beats Sherk and GSP beats Serra they will have a fight again to see who is the best, look under MMA news for this info, I hope that fight does happen and BJ beats the shit out of Pierre thats if they dont rob him of the decision again, yes George had 2 take downs in the third but did he do anything with it no, BJ got up right away and did the most damage, now to all you Pierre fans, at the end of that fight whose face was all messed up and bloody who looked like the real looser, thats what I thought, did BJ even have a scratch, Nope Sho didnt, Pierre tried covering up his head with that black cap couldnt cover up the damage, Face it peeps BJ’s th man plus he has already beat Matt Serra along with Tokanori Gomi another bad dude very few have beat.

Dont forget to mention beating an undefeated Rodrigo Gracie at 185 lbs, Losing a 3 round decision that could have gone either way to an undefeated Lyotto Machida at 205 lbs, Beating Renzo Gracie at i think 185 lbs, Submiting Ludwig, Submiting Hughes, Taking GSP to a close 3 rounder and losing, all this done by an out of shape little chunker. Now that hes in shape and on track not one person on that list would last more then 6 minutes with Penn except GSP. And whats amazing and what has just occured to me is that when BJ and GSP do meet again it will be in about a year to a year and half. And by then GSP’s BJJ will look close to perfect and BJ’s conditoning and stamina will be close to perfect (if they both keep up what they are doing) so it will bottom line be probably the best fight and go the distance, with it ending early only if one makes a mistake. I could see BJ pushing GSP into a mistake on the ground in later rounds but thats about it, no one getting owned.

Everyone who says sherk was using, should do some research on Nandrolone. It can be elevated and with no use of banned substances. His were hardly elevated and he passed a lie detector. California State Athletic Commission sucks.

Dont forget to mention beating an undefeated Rodrigo Gracie at 185 lbs, Losing a 3 round decision that could have gone either way to an undefeated Lyotto Machida at 205 lbs, Beating Renzo Gracie at i think 185 lbs, Submiting Ludwig, Submiting Hughes, Taking GSP to a close 3 rounder and losing, all this done by an out of shape little chunker. Now that hes in shape and on track not one person on that list would last more then 6 minutes with Penn except GSP. And whats amazing and what has just occured to me is that when BJ and GSP do meet again it will be in about a year to a year and half. And by then GSP’s BJJ will look close to perfect and BJ’s conditoning and stamina will be close to perfect (if they both keep up what they are doing) so it will bottom line be probably the best fight and go the distance, with it ending early only if one makes a mistake. I could see BJ pushing GSP into a mistake on the ground in later rounds but thats about it, no one getting owned.

BJ is a little bitch. Sherk will show him that. Regardless of if he did steriods Franca did them too. So it was a fair fight.

OOOH MY GOD! take it from a jiu Jitsu stand point, cause you know thats exactly where its going to END.

OOOH MY GOD! take it from a jiu Jitsu stand point, cause you know thats exactly where its going to END.

MARK my words
this is a new era
the bj penn you have seen in the past is no longer
he has quit drinking since nov 06
came into the jenz fight looking phenominal ready for 7 rounds easy
came into this daddy fight ready for 9 easy
when this kid says hes gonna do somthin he does it
the bj penn you have seen in the past that beat hughes and gave GSP a hard fight was a penn driniking tequilla and eating mcdonalds 2 weeks before the fight
that was his cuttoff time to start taking it serously 2 weeks to get ready for all these guys. and still comin in like a bat outta hell.
I am here to tell you THERE IS ALLOT OF GAS IN THE TANK today and it is only getting better.
he runs 10 milles daily and is in the gym 5 days a week
the world will soon see.I know its been so many years that he has entered the ring with just skill and talent.BUT now is the time.I have seen it personlaly in his eyes.no more jokes no more taking this sport lightly.He now realizes if he wants these BELTS he asctually has to work hard for it like everyone else.

The belt is still Sherks, and he is going to work harder then he ever has to prove it.

I almost feel bad for BJ….. ALMOST

The belt is still Sherks, and he is going to work harder then he ever has to prove it.

I almost feel bad for BJ….. ALMOST

How you figure that?Sherk was on roids when he won the belt,so he’s really never won the belt flat out.That’s why they took his title away correct!IT’S CALLED CHEATING!The belt is in the correct hands of a true champion!So don’t feel sorry for BJ feel sorry to Sherk & whats gonna happen to him.

Alot of people hate Sherk all of a sudden after he got caught cheating and then stalling for so damn long trying to hide the fact he was using, post poning and shit, thats why more MMA fighters hate his guts he should have been a man and fessed up the result would have been the same without making the fans wait. He’s a cocky son of a bitch as you heard when BJ Penn wished he was dead and Sherk said I dont care what you fans think, BJ still has one more fight before the belt is his. I hope BJ Penn beats the living shit out of that little Roider, and shuts his mouth and everyone elses that doubts hes the true champion at that weight class. And after he beats Sherk and Pierre beats Serra lets do the re – match Dana was already talking about lets go so BJ can move a weight class up and beat Pierre also, that is if they dont rob him of the decision again like they did the last time, with the bout being a draw in my opinion with BJ Penn doing the most over all DAMAGE on Pierre.

Alot of people hate Sherk all of a sudden after he got caught cheating and then stalling for so damn long trying to hide the fact he was using, post poning and shit, thats why more MMA fighters hate his guts he should have been a man and fessed up the result would have been the same without making the fans wait. He’s a cocky son of a bitch as you heard when BJ Penn wished he was dead and Sherk said I dont care what you fans think, BJ still has one more fight before the belt is his. I hope BJ Penn beats the living shit out of that little Roider, and shuts his mouth and everyone elses that doubts hes the true champion at that weight class. And after he beats Sherk and Pierre beats Serra lets do the re – match Dana was already talking about lets go so BJ can move a weight class up and beat Pierre also, that is if they dont rob him of the decision again like they did the last time, with the bout being a draw in my opinion with BJ Penn doing the most over all DAMAGE on Pierre.

 I dont dislike Sherk I just hate when people talk like BJ is gonna get an ass whoop’n like never before.I mean keep it real,if he was to lose it wouldnt be by a landslide.Sherk just needs to stay off the juice & back up what he claims.By the way, BJ 3rd round TAPOUT or KO!

Remember,no roids = Less aggression,Less confidence,adds more questions,with no answers untill fight night.

Remember,no roids = Less aggression,Less confidence,adds more questions,with no answers untill fight night.

 I forgot to add less strength.

I’m tired, so untill the fight/I’m gone!Bj all da way.

BJ Penn will win and Sherk will be all hurt over life, and all the BJ haters will you please stand up, please stand up.

It’s real simple my friend. IF Sherk can avoid being submitted in the first two rounds (big if). He will grind out a decision when BJ runs out of gas. he might even get a stoppage if he can hold BJ down in a later round and pound on him. Don’t forget this will be a five round fight and Sherk has proven he can take some serious shots without being KO’d.

So basically. BJ is not likely to KO Sherk and if Sherk can avoid his subs for two rounds then the odds go to Sean’s favor as the fight progresses.

man oh man everyone on here is funny!!! haha ok ok ok bottom line is BJ THE PRODIGY will come out the champ in the penn and sherk fight!!! FACE IT!!!!

Well, I too hopes the BJ is gonna be the one dying, that arrogant bastard. But I agree with u.
BJ is one of the most toughest submitter in the world, his biggest problem is his shape tho.
An other problem BJ has is, that he is bad at protecting himself, which can lead him to a huge knockout.
Its gonna be a tough fight no doubt, but im sure that BJ will loose to a great KO from Sean Sherk.

BJ will come out fired up like he always does smackin himself in the face, they will face up and BJ will catch Sherk with some good punches drop him and take over with that Brazilian Jiu Jit Su and control the fight on the ground for the whole round, and then second round sherk will take BJ down but do nothing BJ will get up catch Sherk a couple more times and adventually take him down, then he will work his way to his back and catch him with a rear naked choke hold and submit him, and the crowd cheers, bj stands up and licks his gloves and while all this happening Sherks face is all bloody, just like what happened to Stevenson. And once again would, all the BJ haters please stand up, please stand up.

Sherk is a cheater…

Sean Sherk will never ko BJ.The only guy that came close was “LITTLE EVIL” Pulver in the first fight,If you seen the fight you would have seen BJ getting all buss-up!And NO he is not going to be submitted by Sherk either. BJ’s going to win no matter how you look at it. Go gettem BJ!

No shit westside what gave your first clue, read all my posts I leave the Illest shit on here Bra, yes BJ will smash that little idiot Sherk, and even if sherk happened to get lucky no one would like him because of the fact that he got caught using the juice, but i highly doubt that that will happen, BJ foe life retires the G.O.A.T.

bjp will not lose to sean sherk. people always forget that bj fought guys 2-3 weight classes above him and held his own, so i know he can handle sherk. bj has only been tko’d once so i dont know where people are thinking sherk will knock him out. sherks cardio wont be as good without his trusty “friend” running through his veins and bj is focused and will come in well prepared for sherk. the steroid sharks only option will be to take him down and even there he is at a disadvantage with bj’s world class bjj skills, much better than anyone he has ever faced. imho bj wins by tko round 1-2 or by submission, if sherk turns to deflect the punches. i really believe he wants to punish him for cheating all these years and he will use his vastly superior standup skills to take him apart.

That was a typo,I meant to say spell not speel.

That was a typo,I meant to say spell not speel.

How ironic.

All you Sherk Fans are killing me. He got stripped over a raw deal my ass. He needs the juice to compete. If any of you idiots are in the fight game you know how big steriods are. All of you are probably some Average ass fighters who juice to compete with the real deal. BJ Pen is the real deal look at his credantials. BJJ black belt in under three years. Come on there are only two other people who can say they did that, but who was the first. He been busted peoples heads in the past with no commitment, not training, now that he dedicated himself its a wrap. Like we say in hawaii its PAU!!! Its ova da hawaiian is hea to stay.

BJJ black belt in under three years. Come on there are only two other people who can say they did that, but who was the first

Who are the other two?

Well, I too hopes the BJ is gonna be the one dying, that arrogant bastard. But I agree with u.
BJ is one of the most toughest submitter in the world, his biggest problem is his shape tho.
An other problem BJ has is, that he is bad at protecting himself, which can lead him to a huge knockout.
Its gonna be a tough fight no doubt, but im sure that BJ will loose to a great KO from Sean Sherk.

Are you serious when was the last time Sherk knocked anyone out. We all know he can wrestle take you down and do nothing. He out works people he doesnt Beat anyone’s ass. In fact if he wasnt on the juice he probably would have lost to Kenney Florian. Lets be real He can not and WILL NOT KO BJ. He hasnt had a KO since joining the UFC. He had one stoppage due to cut. His 8 KO’s came from no name ass circuits out there. I have attached his UFC record Mr. KO

Win Hermes Franca Unanimous Decision
Win Kenny Florian Unanimous Decision
Win Nick Diaz Unanimous Decision
Loss Georges St-Pierre Technical Knock Out
Loss Matt Hughes Unanimous Decision
Win Benji Radach TKO Stoppage (Cut)
Win Jutaro Nakao Unanimous Decision
Win Tiki Ghosn Submission (Other)

Every body is crazy!!! BJ IS NOT GOING TO LOSE !!!!Just stop da madness!!!

If BJ going lose,I would be da 1st to call him every name in da book! That’s how sure I stay !! But he not,so to bad cuz, just continue to hate ladat!! As BU LAIA would say “Dis hawaiian tink’n”

Das PIDGEON 101!!! Go kick his ass HAAAAAAAAWAIIAN !

Wheres all my boyz! WHATS UP!!!!!

C’mon really what fighter doesn’t talk……i mean if you can back it up then really who gives a shit……yeah bj may come off cocky but i think hes confident which is a good thing…..sherk got off lightly if you ask me he’s lucky he gets to fight for the title again he should of had to have worked his way up the ladder (unjuiced) BJ all the way………….KO by sherk doubt it not with his short arms………

Yea, why cant everyone do roids and be done with it… :s

Franca got a more severe punishment……you don’t see him back in the ufc so soon…………at least franca plead guilty didn’t try to bull**** his way out of it…….roided fighters should start there own JUF company (Juiced Ultimate Fighting)

BJ told sherk he was dead….sherk said bj can talk all the shit he wants he doesn’t have any respect for him…..he told the fans they could boo all they wanted he didn’t really care…..but then if he didn’t respect bj why shake his hand when he came back in the ring……he made himself look like a b**** you can smell fear and see the intimidation just by his reaction……all militech guys got a problem with bj why is that? Hughes is more cocky and dick like than Bj is…..especially as a coach in TUF………
Franca got a more severe punishment……you don’t see him back in the ufc so soon…………at least franca plead guilty didn’t try to bull**** his way out of it…….roided fighters should start there own JUF company (Juiced Ultimate Fighting)

YOU TELL’EM CUZ !

Wheres all my boyz! WHATS UP!!!!!

 Whats up Hawaiian !

Who are the other two?

Lloyd Irvin and Mike Fowler I believe are the other two who got their BJJ Blackbelt in 3 yrs. You can search Lloyd Irvin if you dont know about him, his school is no joke.

Its all good, We all know da Hawwaiian will have his had raised once again. He is a true Champion, Juice free haha!!! Getem Braddah!!!!!

can’t wait for them to announce the fight…….hopefully on Sat ufc 83 they say something……i wanna get the presale tickets…..gotta see this shit in person wanna see the prodigy prove the crap talkers on this sight wrong…rumor has it that it’ll be a good card…..wait n see

can’t wait for them to announce the fight…….hopefully on Sat ufc 83 they say something……i wanna get the presale tickets…..gotta see this shit in person wanna see the prodigy prove the crap talkers on this sight wrong…rumor has it that it’ll be a good card…..wait n see

(my bad ufc 82) getting ahead of myself

(my bad ufc 82) getting ahead of myself

They announced two of the fights already

AXE MURDERER Wanderlei Silva VS The Dean of Mean Keith Jardine
 
                          AND

The Huntington Beach Badboy (Tito Ortiz) vs 12-0 Lyoto Machida

That card is looking crazy already and they have only anounced Three fights.

BJ is a little bitch. Sherk will show him that. Regardless of if he did steriods Franca did them too. So it was a fair fight.

bj penns only weakness is his cardio, and he looked in great shape against stevenson and im sure hes been working on his cardio so i dont see any way sherk can win unless bj gases.
sherk is a little bitch. everybody boo’d him in england when he came into the octagon, and that retard still thinks he’s champ. i dont like guys that cheat, and simply put: sean sherk cheated. i hope bj sends his ass packin out the ufc, sean is a boring fighter with the most one dimensional skill set ever. the lightweight is one of the most talented (besides lightheavyweight.) we dont need sean the jerk sherk screwin around while everbody else is workin hard to get where they are.

I know Sean sherk will kick the shit out of BJ Penn….BJ Penn is a big mouth and talks alot of shit..I also believe BJ Penn is a big cry baby.From the looks of it, it appears BJ Penn could use some steroids to gain some muscle mass, he is built like a little woman..KICK SOME ASS MUSCLE SHARK

I know Sean sherk will kick the shit out of BJ Penn….BJ Penn is a big mouth and talks alot of shit..I also believe BJ Penn is a big cry baby.From the looks of it, it appears BJ Penn could use some steroids to gain some muscle mass, he is built like a little woman..KICK SOME ASS MUSCLE SHARK

how can u like a guy that looks like a godamn dragonball Z character. hes barely tall enough to ride some rollercoasters and u want him to be champ. he CHEATED. he should be kicked out of the ufc, but so many ppl hate him that the ufc is gonna let bj kick his ass first. im tired of talking about how good sherk is…

All these Sherk wannaBe’s gonna be cry’n when he get’s an ASS WHOOP’N from DA HAWAIIAN!! Can’t wait to say told you so !!

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I think bj will win because think about it sherk in a great fighter his record is proof of that. But there are only two people who have beat sherk Hughes and GSP and bj has fought both and beat hughes once and the second time he lost but if you know about that fight he seperated his ribs in that fight and he still almost finished Hughes with an armbar triangle and in his fight with GSP he lost a contrivercial decision that a lot of people think he won. His striking was equal with GSP and he is consitered the best fighter in the welter weight division and bj stood basicly the whole time with him and than Hughes couldnt even take bj down in either of there fights really and bj is far too good of a sub fighter against sherks wrestling ability and he is way to flexible for sherk to hold him down and ground and pound him the only thing sherk has on his side is cardio and for that to work he has to do something to bj to make him tired enough to gas. Bj will finish him inside of two rounds with rear naked choke sherk will go for a shot and bj will stuff it with his flexible ability and throw a choke on sherk and night over for sherk time to go back to the juice so he can get back on his cheating but winning streak.

Everyone thinks that Franca did steroids the same time that sherk did them so it was a fair fight that is wrong Franca did steroids because he was injured sherk did them because he is stupid so if you think it was fair just because they both did steroids you and wrong at least Franca did them so he could still fight that isnt cheating in my opinion frauned upon yes but at least he owned up too it aswell sherk still thinks he did nothing wrong and now that he is fighting Bj and with him off the juice he wont be at strong or as fast so Bj will destroy him and sherk is overrated anyway look at his record he is 31 and 2 but most of his wins ar to guys who are nobodys they all have like 6 fight with 4 losses so to think Sherk is even in the same league with Bj is just not true Sherk is a powerful wrestler like Stevenson and Hughes and Bj owned both of them in his first fight with them and if Bj fought hughes again he would win the fight Hughes will not be able to win again the only challenge for Bj is GSP and even than in there first fight Bj penn should have won that fight GSP was a wreck his face was busted up and he was bleeding all over and sean sherk has lost to both Hughes and GSP and they dominated him easily so what can Sherk do that Hughes and GSP havnt already tried against Bj.

All everyone talks about is how Sean Sherk used steroids and was stupid about it! Honestly people! Do your research. Seriously: Here is something you all should read:

He successfully defended his title against Hermes Franca at UFC 73 on July 7, 2007, winning by unanimous decision after five rounds. On July 19, 2007 the California State Athletic Commission announced that Sherk and Franca had both tested positive for banned steroids in post-fight drug tests. After testing positive for Nandrolone, Sherk was fined $2,500 and suspended from competing in California until July 6, 2008. He has since filed an extension for his appeal hearing.3 His appeal was December 4, 2007, which saw Sherk’s suspension reduced to 6 months, making him eligible to fight in early January 2008.4 According to UFC President Dana White, Sherk has passed a lie detector test that he did not knowingly take steroids.5 Several recent studies have shown banned substances in nearly 1/4 of the tested over-the-counter supplements which might support Sherk’s assertion that he did not knowingly take steroids.6 Sherk also noted errors in the lab testing procedures used, as three people tested immediately prior to him tested positive for steroids.7. Sherk claims that the failure of the lab to properly test the vials used in the earlier, positive tests for any remaining steroid content may have resulted in his sample becoming contaminated with nadrolone.

The steroid that YOU ALL THINKS that he was juicing on is mosstly used for read this article:

The positive effects of the drug include muscle growth, appetite stimulation and increased red blood cell production and bone density. Clinical studies have shown it to be effective in treating anaemia, osteoporosis and some forms of neoplasia including breast cancer, and also acts as a progestin-based contraceptive.

So it is used with WOMEN! HELLO!!!! Plus nandrolone is produced in small amounts by the body itself !!!!

Oh and the 1/4 of the Over the Counter supplements that contain Nandrolone are commonly used in body building, working out is one VERY come one CREATINE!

He also passed a lie detector test. 97% accuracy! Give the guy a break! He didn’t have that much over the normal occurring amount in his body. Franca! WAY over the amount. If he was intentionally juicing… His heart would have been beating way too fast and he would have suffered from a heart attack and plus he wouldn’t have lasted ALL 5 rounds.

Oh and BTW.. It will be a good fight on the 24th. Sherk is a professional. Penn is a cocky bastard! We will see who wins but remember Sherk has never been knocked out or chocked out. his record is 35-2-1. Penn has lost 6 times and fought less than Sherk. Also Sherk wants his belt back! Penn should watch out. Sean has heart. BJ doesn’t have the heart that sean does. PLus last thing! YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE CHAMP TO BE THE CHAMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HERES something that everyone talks about that’s full of shit! “YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE CHAMP TO BE THE CHAMP”.He’s a cheater!! Why don’t you research (DISQULIFFIED BY CHEATING), so you actually know W,T,F your talking about!! Nurse boy! BJ doesn’t need to cheat to win in the UFC! Like some people! IDIOT’S.

HHHAAAAAAAA!!!Take that sherk lover.

When BJ get’s done with sherk, he’ll be eating HUMBLE PIE from a straw!

I heard sherk was gonna visit his real family on the set of (Little people,Big world) but couldn’t get his BIG HEAD & SMALL ARMS in carNow thats F"N funny!!

Go to (www.dailymotion.com/video/bj-penn-highlight-prodigy/extreme)!!!I dare you to show me a highlight of sherk that even comes close to this. What!? He"ll have Hermes and Kenny Florian on it. “WOOOOOOOW” Thats some really scary fighters, “OOOOHH whats BJ gonna do?” sherks gonna get knock the F#@$ OUT!Thats what hes gonna do.

GIVE ME A BREAK about this steroid use crap! PLEASE! Even if he was on the GAS that may make him stronger but if you know anything about Anabolic steriods it decreases a persons cardiovascular ability. So even if he did, what excuse will you use for his technique,agility,reaction time and heart???? LOL..

All BJ does is lay and his back like a fish and hope that he can submit someone before he gets knocked out or the ref stops the fight!

Sean is way more experienced and is going to use BJ’s skinny a&* to mop his blood off the octagon floor!

-Shawn

Minneapolis

i just don’t understand where sherk has the basis to say that “you have to beat the champ to be the champ” when in fact he certainly did not beat a champ to be champ, just sounds hypocritical.

Sherk has perhaps the nastiest elbows in MMA, and he’s careful not to leave himself open to attack. I think it’s a safe assumption that he will get BJ to the ground and will be in guard. The question is whether BJ will be able to avoid those elbows once in that position. He’s got amazing skills and Sherk will have to respect his submission ability. To me, it’s a toss up. I agree with one of the previous posts (about 100 up) that it’s a fantastic matchup that will likely be a very exciting match. I have to admit that I’m a big fan of BJ’s, and I’d like to see him win just to solidify his place as one of the most (if not THE most) skilled MMA fighters ever.

“shawnyb” Who told you or where did you read that sherk’s experience is better then BJ’s?! Every one knows that’s bull shit, I just want to know whats gonna be YOUR excuse when sherk loses like the little bitch that he is!!….

I think BJ is gonna destroy sherk. Penn is such a talented fighter in all areas. He did look tired after that second round and everything but this fight isnt even gonna get to the second round

Penn hands down. If your think strength, conditioning and ground pound alone can beat BJ, you better do some more studying. Those are the ONLY thing Sherk has working with him. When you combine the raw talent that BJ has compared to just the skill set of Sherks, BJ is much more affective.

BJ for the win by tap out, It won’t make it to the 3rd round.

This fight is going to be a great one and a-gotta-watch figh, garons! But Hawaiian Boi BJ Penn owns this fight.
BJ Penn is all natural talent. He worked his way to the top, dispite the fact that he had to leave some time ago and come back to win the title. Fucking steriod freak Sherk is nothing compared to Penn. He cannot work hard and depend on his own talent that God gave him and use his own natural skills, he gotta have one little help with drugs. Hawaiian boi Penn is gonna show sherk that even with sherk taking steriods, hes gonna kick his fucking ass BIG ISLAND STYLE!!!
Show’um how its done Prodigy! CHEE-HUU!!!!

Sherk is going to beat Bj tonight. mark my words.

I’ll be back.

I was right, the skill set of BJ was too overwhelming for Sean to handle. Bj’s stand-up is just as good as his ground game, and people underestimate his stand – up. he picked apart Sean like nothing, and took him to stand-up 101 class.

I’m marked your words Sam Cleveland, and I had no doubt BJ was going to win.

Next…..Roger Huerta or Kenny Florian. Great night of fights, but what a fight by Bj. Calm, waiting for the moment to attack, and flawless.

I TOLD YOU SO , I TOLD YOU SO, I TOLD YOU SO ,I TOLD YOU SO , I TOLD YOU SO, AND I TOLD YOU SO AGIAN!!!!!! Anyone think’n what (Sam Cleveland’s)think’n, you were sadly mistaken!! SHERK LOST SO BAD IT LOOKS LIKE HE WAS CRY’N BLOOD FROM BOTH EYES!! I tried to tell you guys, but none of you sherk lovers would listen!!!!! Never F@#K with HAWAIIANS!!!!, YOU WILL LOSE- “MARK MY WORDS” HHAAA HHAAA HHAAA HHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!What A joke, that sherk!! SO F@#K EVERYONE WHO TOOK sherk OVER BJ!!!!…………..TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GOOD FOR THAT PIZZA FACE BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ANNNNNNND STILL THE LIGHT WEIGHT CHAMPION OF THE WORLD, DO I NEED TO SAY IT!?, I DONT THINK SO!!! WHY DONT YOU sherk FANS FINISH THAT SENTENCE, IT WILL HELP THE HEALING BEGIN, SO LET IT JUST SINK IN. OH-BY THE WAY GO GRAB A TISSUE!

Who’s F’N NEXT!!!! Line"m all up!! And BJ will knock’m all down!!! Starting W/ GSP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on, wheres the support from all the sherk lovers for your boy!!!!??? Probably all in shock over what we the “LOCAL PEOPLE” from every Hawaiian Island knew what was gonna happen!! TOLD YOU SO!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone know what, or how to find out what Sean Sherk’s music was when he came out before the fight?

Who’s F’N NEXT!!!! Line"m all up!! And BJ will knock’m all down!!! Starting W/ GSP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!