UFC 79 recap and final thoughts on 'Nemesis'

i really was hoping to see the dean lister fight as well.
i can’t believe what happend to james irvin, again with an early first round nonsense. at least this time it was a win for him. i still want to see what the fight looked like for the time that it lasted.

Chuck won. No excuses why wandi didn’t Chuck was the better fighter. Wandi did what he said he was going to do as he always does in his fights but got beat by a much better striker. Anyone who doesn’t agree can kiss my ass. We wanted to know who the better striker was between the two and know we know. Wandi was outclassed by Chuck PERIOD.

can’t wait for gsp to get his revenge on serra. he got lucky on the first fight because he fougth a different gsp. but he seems really focus now and he doesn’t stand a chance. gsp vs serra gsp by brutal ko first round
wandy vs lidell great fight but didn’t have the outcome i wanted. i think wandy should have finish him when he knock him down on the second round.
machida had a great win i think he should fight chuck next for winner of rampage-griffin

Mania I have to disagree with you about Fitch deserving a shot against GSP. Fitch’s only quality victory has been over Diego, thats it! Fitch vs. GSP would be very similar to Kos vs. GSP. He needs one more victory over a top contender (not Gono) to get GSP.

Well, GSP proved without a doubt that he is the best ww, period. GSP dominated Hughes on the ground, and I think he has proven that he is now the most dominating striker, and that he has the best ground game in that division. GSP is the definition of class, and he represents the sport about as well as you can. As a fan of Hughes, I am glad that he is passing on the torch to such a great fighter, and such a class act.
As for Hughes, you have to give him credit for taking the fight. He could have waited for Serra to heal, and thus give himself more or less a sure chance of regaining the belt. He chose to gamble and he lost. I really hope that Hughes gets one more fight, and that it is with Serra. Serra is very disrespectful and I would love to see Hughes get a chance to make him eat his words. If and when Hughes fights and beats Serra, he should hang it up as the sport has now passed him by. He was a great champ, and he will for sure be in the Hall of Fame.
Obviously GSP will crush Serra when they next fight, and I don’t see anyone in sight that can hang with GSP.

dkortez Wandy did not knock Chuck down. Both times Chuck went down was slip. Rogan and Greenberg both said it was a slip. I mean if you watched the fight you would know that.

GSP vs SERRA in Montreal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank You Miarep. let Fitch put some time in and give him some tough guys “not Gono” to work his way in a title shot. Although he did beat burkman and diego, you should have to go through Karo (who turned that fight down), Hughs, Kos (make them fight). A win over LITTLE Gono doesn’t put someone in the top contender slot by any means.

Mania I have to disagree with you about Fitch deserving a shot against GSP. Fitch’s only quality victory has been over Diego, thats it! Fitch vs. GSP would be very similar to Kos vs. GSP. He needs one more victory over a top contender (not Gono) to get GSP.

Jesse is actually the author of this post. But I tend to agree, regardless. But that’s a bias opinion so I’ll stay out of this one. Besides, Karo has the next shot after Serra it seems.

I thing Wanderlei should take on Alexander or Soukodjou next maybe even Jardine because then he could back to his winning ways I think he would lose to Evans because Rashad would just take him down and GnP him

can’t wait for gsp to get his revenge on serra. he got lucky on the first fight because he fougth a different gsp. but he seems really focus now and he doesn’t stand a chance. gsp vs serra gsp by brutal ko first round
wandy vs lidell great fight but didn’t have the outcome i wanted. i think wandy should have finish him when he knock him down on the second round.
machida had a great win i think he should fight chuck next for winner of rampage-griffin

Wandi did not knock Chuck down , Chuck slipped both times and both times he was to far away for wandi to do shit about it and both times Chuck was very quick getting back up as he always is. Wandi had nothing on Chuck throughtout the whole flippin fight.

dkortez

Wandy did not knock Chuck down. Both times Chuck went down was slip. Rogan and Greenberg both said it was a slip. I mean if you watched the fight you would know that.

 i did watched the fight and the first one was a slip but not the second one. but maybe i’m wrong since i could’nt hear anything because i could’nt concentrate on nothing but the fight. also i got really loud when he did knock him down or slip, like you said that i couldnt hear a thing. anyway wandy’s got a hard head. he got hit with some bombs and was still coming. like when he had his back againts the cage a la tito againts lidell 1 and instead of drop to the floor like tito did. he fire some bombs back. not that i’m comparing silva and tito. but the situation look really similar, and silva was really hurt. but he never gave up, he was looking for the knockout even when he was getting pounded. i’m still a silva fan. is just a shame we have to wait a while longer to see page-silva 3. same with shogun

Wandy won the whole fight on my card. EASY.

I had Hughes winning the entire fight also until GSP accidently found a way to submit him.

It’s almost impossible to overstate how much I enjoyed watching Rich Clementi potentially end Melvin Guillard’s UFC career. And then to see Melvin act like a little bitch after the fight was just icing on the cake.

Uh, Melvin?

Buh, bye…

As much as I enjoyed the Liddel/Silva fight, I still can’t figure out why Chuck was blatantly glancing up at the clock for the last 2-3 minutes of the third round? Chuck looked like the man of old – why not make the effort to finish his opponent? The only thing I can guess is that with two recent losses he wanted to make sure he had this win. He obviously respects Wandy’s striking power and didn’t want to catch one on the chin in the last few moments. Whatever the case, great fight. I laughed out lound when Chuck dove and took Wandy down.

Much props to both Chuck and Wandy.

What more can you say about Georges? He had the look in his eye and he certaily didn’t seem to be distracted by mental issues. Good hell the man is impressive!! Matt showed a great deal of class (they both did). Hate to see him get owned like he was, but as with all fighters, the torch passes at some point.

Please, please, Georges, will you beat the living crap out of Serra?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Great write up!
Rashad has a way of making whoever he fights look like shit.
Could be bad for Wandy.

Chuck clearly slipped the first time he went down.

I think he partially slipped the second time he went down, but I also think Wandy’s fist was there for the partial assist.

Wandi did not knock Chuck down , Chuck slipped both times and both times he was to far away for wandi to do shit about it and both times Chuck was very quick getting back up as he always is. Wandi had nothing on Chuck throughtout the whole flippin fight.

Really, a slip both time huh? Did you guys not catch the replay where wandy lands a clear right looping hand on chuck and chuck goes down? I can’t believe you guys listen to joe rogan, the guy was obviously biased on his comments.

anyways, I think for soko the next fight should be against houston alexander, machida deserves a title shot or be thrown in with undefeated thiago silva, and chuck should get shogun. As for wandy, I really think he should get a rematch with hendo after he loses to the spider (if his contract is still under the ufc).

Wandy won the whole fight on my card. EASY.

wot? u r kidding rite?? liddell destroyed him, actually picked him apart, he was the one pushing the action, two take downs along with significant damage caused on the feet(just look at silva’s face), rocked him at least 4 times, silva fans just accept it, liddell is the better fighter! i would love to see silva and houston, would be sum slugfest, or just give wandy tito, cos if belfort dosent sign wit d ufc and get that fight, i wanna c wandy destroy him, “PUNISH HIM INTO RETIREMENT WANDY”

I had Hughes winning the entire fight also until GSP accidently found a way to submit him.

  LOL good one.

dkortez

Wandy did not knock Chuck down. Both times Chuck went down was slip. Rogan and Greenberg both said it was a slip. I mean if you watched the fight you would know that.

it’s Goldberg, not Greenberg

WOW WHAT A FIGHT… BUT CHUCK IS A BITCH… he didn’t out strike wandy at all!!.. only reason why he won is cuz he shot for the take down… and was scared to come close to wandy the whole time. its funny chuck hasn’t shot for a take down in like EVER!! but yet against the man that he knew he can’t outstrike he went for the take down!! still good job chuck but you won’t get ur title back… rampage is the king!!! i think shogun vs liddel WOULD BE AMAZING TO WATCH…. a younger silva……..

“Let’s hope that tonight’s dominating performance is an indication that you’ve conquered your demons.”

lol, I thought that stupid meme was dead

i did watched the fight and the first one was a slip but not the second one. but maybe i’m wrong since i could’nt hear anything because i could’nt concentrate on nothing but the fight. also i got really loud when he did knock him down or slip, like you said that i couldnt hear a thing. anyway wandy’s got a hard head. he got hit with some bombs and was still coming. like when he had his back againts the cage a la tito againts lidell 1 and instead of drop to the floor like tito did. he fire some bombs back. not that i’m comparing silva and tito. but the situation look really similar, and silva was really hurt. but he never gave up, he was looking for the knockout even when he was getting pounded. i’m still a silva fan. is just a shame we have to wait a while longer to see page-silva 3. same with shogun

The second time Chuck went down wasn’t a slip, he was rocked by Wandy, unfortunately for Wandy, at the same time Chuck landed a nasty left that rocked him too. Wandy couldn’t capitalize on the knockdown because he was dazed. Chuck made a very quick recovery, which makes me believe that he wasn’t really hurt, he just got knocked down.

From watching the PPV, I could see Chucks punches were having a much bigger effect on Wanderlei, whenever Chuck got hit he recovered quickly and shook it off. Whenever Wandy got hit, you could see in his face and his reaction (backing up, covering his face) that Chuck was doing a lot of damage.

Id love to see this fight again as a 5 round title match.

Really, a slip both time huh? Did you guys not catch the replay where wandy lands a clear right looping hand on chuck and chuck goes down? I can’t believe you guys listen to joe rogan, the guy was obviously biased on his comments.

anyways, I think for soko the next fight should be against houston alexander, machida deserves a title shot or be thrown in with undefeated thiago silva, and chuck should get shogun. As for wandy, I really think he should get a rematch with hendo after he loses to the spider (if his contract is still under the ufc).

I totaly agree the UFC anouncers sugar coat alot in favor of the company favorites.

This comment is for Melvin Guilard. Glad to see his cocky self get submitted again. Goes to show him that steriods and strenth and “exposiveness” just doesnt cut it when your on your back! look at his last 3 losses. SUBMISSION. Sorry but they shouldnt let him back. all he has is his ego and a pre UFC record that looks good on paper, not in the ring.

Really, a slip both time huh? Did you guys not catch the replay where wandy lands a clear right looping hand on chuck and chuck goes down? I can’t believe you guys listen to joe rogan, the guy was obviously biased on his comments.

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The Second time was a Knockdown. Wandi threw two punches and it was after the second punch Chuck went down not Chuck slipping then Wandi punching. You don’t need confirmation from Joe Rogan who was biased towards Chuck in the fight. I watched it in Slowmo and am sure it was a knockdown. Great fight overall and am very suprised Chuck didn’t finish in the third it was Deja Vu with the spinning back fist in the Wandi Henderson fight.
Great card to end a year in the UFC. Looking forward to 08.

Mania I have to disagree with you about Fitch deserving a shot against GSP. Fitch’s only quality victory has been over Diego, thats it! Fitch vs. GSP would be very similar to Kos vs. GSP. He needs one more victory over a top contender (not Gono) to get GSP.

7-0 in the UFC is enough in my book.

Wandy won the whole fight on my card. EASY.

Bushwinger… You are kidding right? If not, please leave this forum and never return because you know nothing about MMA

Really, a slip both time huh? Did you guys not catch the replay where wandy lands a clear right looping hand on chuck and chuck goes down? I can’t believe you guys listen to joe rogan, the guy was obviously biased on his comments.

anyways, I think for soko the next fight should be against houston alexander, machida deserves a title shot or be thrown in with undefeated thiago silva, and chuck should get shogun. As for wandy, I really think he should get a rematch with hendo after he loses to the spider (if his contract is still under the ufc).

No shit… really. Actually I did see that right hook, but I also noticed that it didn’t have any effect on him what so ever, and if you were sober enough you would have noticed that Chuck slipped on his own flippin foot moveing backwards while Wandi was throwing those punches. But it is all pointless to argue now we all know Chuck is a much better fighter than Wandi and that Chuck outclassed him 100% in that fight. As for rogan I don’t listen to him, as a matter of fact I think both rogan and mike talk to much during important fights like that.

rashad is a bad match up for wand he would take him down and hold him for the hole 15 min

7-0 in the UFC is enough in my book.

I think Fitch deserves his chance. On the InsideMMA show 2 or 3 weeks ago Karo Parisyan said he has been guarenteed a title shot next year and is clearly avoiding Fitch. Out of the two i would rather have Fitch who is more deserving and not a total pr…

I had Hughes winning the entire fight also until GSP accidently found a way to submit him.

way 2 go bushswinger :) couldn’t agree more lol

Nice article. By why oh why do you think Jardine should fight Soku and Chuck fight Shogun. If there is one thing that I can say with absolute certaintly, it’s that Jardine is higher on the LHW ladder than Chuck is right now. So I think it would just be a complete joke if he has to fight someone like Soku, which gets him nowhere near a title shot, while Chuck is fighting Shogun.

kudos bushswinger, never saw d second comment, thanx to UFCmn89 for pointing dat 1 out, for my eyes saw red when i read the chuck/wandy comment, need to control those emotions!! is shogun next for liddell, or perhaps a rematch wit jardine?? also spotted on some other boards that people felt like wandy was over trained, however did anyone catch ufc all access during his regiem, they stated dat they were constantly testing him to make sure he wasnt! as for hughes, will he move up to middleweight before he retires, he has stated that before, would be intresting(death wish even)!!

Scanning bushswinger posts….
Sarcasm detected!

well im so happy chuck is back and some might not agree and i doubt he would want to do it, but i say a jardine rematch. as for silva, if belfort dosent return( which i hope he does), he can get revenge on that punk tito. hughes should retire for a year like randy did and come back to fight serra(which i pray to god he losses) and i dont care who wins st. pierre vs serra two, i like them both. as for machida, him and thiago all the way that would be an awesome fight. and soko needs to fight alexander, a good ole black on black slugfest. i am so happy for cleminti for shutting up that loud mouth melvin. cleminti vs fisher definatley. as for melvin um….well cant really think of anything good for u so iguess never return to the ufc that would be nice, wait i take that back, i want them to feed you to guida.

7-0 in the UFC is enough in my book.

I don’t think anybody here could deny that Fitch and GSP match up very well, but i think the thought of Diego being the gate keeper for a title shot ridiculous. With Matt Hughes’ future in question, i think the WW division still has some sorting out to do before the Title picture can fully be unfolded.

With AKA having three top ten fighters that insist on avoiding each other with two of them arguably in the Top 5 this poses some real match up issues that will keep this division backed up until the UFC takes some serious action. I don’t care what anybody says nobody in the 3,4,5 rank at 170 derserves a title shot, Fitch just broke into the top 5, Karo finally worked his way back in, KOS is still in the big picture, Matt Hughes’ future is uncertain, BJ is still lingering around, and if St.Pierre beats Serra, Matt Serra will still be considered Top 5 . Out of any of the possible match ups that I would prefer to see is GSP-Fitch. I don’t care what Karo thinks he deserves, beating Burkman and Ryo,
shouldn’t result in a title match when you have better competiton in the way.

Wandy won the whole fight on my card. EASY.

what fight where you watching…another fan who cannot accept that his fav got beat down

Jesse is actually the author of this post. But I tend to agree, regardless. But that’s a bias opinion so I’ll stay out of this one. Besides, Karo has the next shot after Serra it seems.

Fitch hasn’t been beaten in the Octagon in like six fights. He definitely deserves a title shot. And I’m not biased. I could give a sh#t about Jon Fitch.

BTW, it was awesome to see anderson console Sok and Hendo after Machida beat him.

I was amazed on how skinny Wandy came in for the fight, he usually comes in alot bigger.

I had Hughes winning the entire fight also until GSP accidently found a way to submit him.

man ur such a fukin idiot gsp killed him

bring on evans vs wandy. thiago vs tito. jardine vs liddell 2.. sokou vs alexander.

gsp is a freak of nature. have you guys watched how easily he outwrestled matt hughes..

yea wndy seemed half the size of chuck. i lost money on this fight but i still would like to see wandy rampage three. anyone else with me.

GSP Dominated Hughes! I figured Matt would put up a great fight making it a close one, boy was I wrong, he was outclassed by Matt Hughes.

Enough of this crap about Liddell-Silva, that was a great fight! 5 rounds would have just been 2 more rounds of the same thing, Chuck scoring better overall. I think it was a close second round, but Chuck clearly got the better of the exchanges and had Silva with his back against the fence how many times? 3? Cutt his face open and turned it to mush. Oh yea and he took him down i think twice and another time, but I think it was more of a fall and Wanderlei pulling Chuck down. Wanderlei got some great hits in on Chuck, but why didnt he go for more kicks to the body/leg? I also noticed Chuck seemed to be actually checking Wandy’s kicks. When Wanderlei did have Chuck hurt he was to hurt himself to actually charge him and finish Chuck off! Chuck was not able to finish Wanderlei because the SOB can take some good shots, and he would not give up or go down! Chuck said in a post-fight interview that he was just winging it at one point when SIlva was up against the fence and he was just throiwng shots at him, and that he was connecting but Silva was just a tough guy! ANyway great fight!

Would like to see Chuck vs Thiago Silva or possibly Machida, I dont care to see Chuck vs Jardine again, that fight doesnt make sense, if Jardine wins so what? he already beat Chuck it does nothing for him, if Chuck loses, he drope WAY down the ladder again! Jardine should face Shogun, and then the winner of Machida/Liddel or Silva/Liddel should face winner of Jardine/Shogun for next challenger for the belt.

I meant outclassed by GSP****

BEING A ORTIZ FAN….i must admit that chuck looked damn good,i even told my buddy that was over to look at chucks eyes he had that look that he lost the last two fights,congrats liddel on a weel deswerved win,wadi looked good also just outclassed by the veteran.so may i ask guys whats next for both fighters?i say….wandi vs jardine, chuck vs machida!

realufcinfo,
Rampage probably isn’t.

Fitch hasn’t been beaten in the Octagon in like six fights. He definitely deserves a title shot. And I’m not biased. I could give a sh#t about Jon Fitch.

Whether Fitch deserves a title shot or not, he is the only person in WW I see possibly beating GSP. I was horribly wrong about Hughes winning, so hey what do I know.

Happy retirement Matt Hughes. Silva will be back !!!

I was amazed on how skinny Wandy came in for the fight, he usually comes in alot bigger.

That may have something to do with the UFC’s mandatory post-fight drug tests.

glad to see Machida doing well,me being a Shotokan guy:), Thiago should be his next fight and the winner fights Rampage Forrest winner like people are saying. GSP looks great, manhandled Matt like a baby, he’s great on the ground but not sure about the GSP chin just yet, Fitch will win by knockout if they fight, Fitch has the strength to keep GSP in check. cant wait for the Feb. 2 fights, two heavyweight matches, and the winner will probably fight the winner of the interm holder. thanks for keeping this site updated with great info, i check it often to keep me and my friends informed.

how about a liddell/jardine rematch? chuck should try and avenge that loss. if he does he could fight the winner of forrest/rampage. i would love to wandi fight machida myself.

Machida is something to watch, he never even gets hurt in any of his fights! He is just such a great technical puncher with A defence. I would like to see him and Thiago Silva go at it. Shogun should get Jardine.

Yeah I think Chuck should avenge his loss to jardine then maybe he could fight shogun.

Machida showed skills. Liddell impressed in what I thought might be his swan song. Now he has to beat some other quality opponent to set up a rematch with Rampage after the Forest fight. Damn shame it will take forever to get to that match UFC needs to get more title matches on more of the cards. Hughes was manhandled and should strongly consider calling it a career. Manny also looked good in a quick tapout. GSP proved when he is focused he can rule the ww division in a way similar to Silva in the mw. Serra is going to be destroyed in my opinion. Over all other than the Sanchez fight, I was entertained and happy witht some of the quality fights.

WOW WHAT A FIGHT… BUT CHUCK IS A BITCH… he didn’t out strike wandy at all!!.. only reason why he won is cuz he shot for the take down………..

This is a crazy – if that isn’t outstriking I don’t know what is..

DID ANYBODY NOTICE THE GREAT NEW CHANGE TO THE OCTOGON LAST NIGHT, I know im not the only one who noticed the material under the canvas was firm like the pride ring instead of that soft cushy material that they used to have. You could also hear the difference as well. And the canvas was secured much better. I attribute coutures third loss to lidell to that very reason when randy was pivoting to throw the canvas folded over causing him to lose his footing which gave lidell the opening for the knocout shot.

The only problem is when the canvas gets wet it can become a little slippery which maybee caused the ONE slip by lidell last night.

Yeah I think Chuck should avenge his loss to jardine then maybe he could fight shogun.

agree all the way, he should dominate Jardine to prove any remaining doubters

Chuck looks like hes back where are all the haters now i guess everyone will jump back on the band wagon now i just wnder who he fights next wandi took alot of punisment dude is tough just glad to see chuck whoop that ass

alright how about this:

light heavys
machida vs jardine (winner gets winner of rampage/griffin)
liddell vs evans
wandy vs bonnar
shogun vs houston
thiago vs ortiz
sokou vs winner of lamber gouveia
hammil vs somebody

of course if vitor comes back the tail end of this all changes. i could see wandy vs ortiz again too.

welters
gsp vs serra
karo vs fitch (winner gets title shot)
koscheck vs thiago alves
hughes (if he doesnt retire) vs winner of koscheck/alves or serra if he loses.

Man, Chuck has some serious reach. Wandy did well considering how short his arms are compared to Chuck’s. Good fight overall. Chuck def looked like he was on point. I was pretty surprised at how small Wandy looked in front of Chuck.

Melvin proved yet again that he is way too immature both as a person and as a fighter to hang in the octagon. He got dominated. I’m glad Clementi won this one. Melvin needs to grow up and learn to be a professional.

I’ve been a fan of Machida’s since his days in Japan. I just love his style. Most of his fights look like something you would see on the streets when a thug picks a fight with a martial artist. Glad he finished a fight in the UFC, purely for the fact that now he’ll be getting a few more fans. He deserves em. As for Sokou, come on.. not really much of a surprise. The guy has little experience, but a ton of potential. The UFC hyped him up way too much and immediately threw him to the wolves. Hopefully they’ll keep him around while he develops.

can anybody find a link of the chuck fight from last night? Greatly appreciated if ya can post. It was my girlfriend’s birthday last night, so we had to do the boring dinner and drinks. I got my balls back today though.
thx.

WOW WHAT A FIGHT… BUT CHUCK IS A BITCH… he didn’t out strike wandy at all!!.. only reason why he won is cuz he shot for the take down… and was scared to come close to wandy the whole time. its funny chuck hasn’t shot for a take down in like EVER!! but yet against the man that he knew he can’t outstrike he went for the take down!! still good job chuck but you won’t get ur title back… rampage is the king!!! i think shogun vs liddel WOULD BE AMAZING TO WATCH…. a younger silva……..

I, for the most part, agree with you.

There’s only one more fight I really want to see happen:

BJ “The Prodigy” Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre 2.

I have a new found respect for Wanderlei Silva. The guy is amazing.

We were at the fights and we saw wandi after his fight and his face was SOOOOO jacked up….all he would say was “I respect chuck, he a great fighter and hits very hard”…lol his english is so tough to understand! But I dont care what anyone says…chuck won that fight EASILY! He won every round and I dont care if he didnt win by KO…it would have been nice to see but he still showed the world that he CAN and DID outstrike Wandi…Oh I also find it kind of funny how all the PRIDE guys were running their mouths about Chuck…but I dont hear them now…WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR BOY?…he just got beat! BAD!

Oh and anyone who wants to say that the fight was close…go check out the post fight photos and just look at there faces…chuck looks a little roughed up but wandi looks like he is inches from death.

We were at the fights and we saw wandi after his fight and his face was SOOOOO jacked up….all he would say was “I respect chuck, he a great fighter and hits very hard”…lol his english is so tough to understand! But I dont care what anyone says…chuck won that fight EASILY! He won every round and I dont care if he didnt win by KO…it would have been nice to see but he still showed the world that he CAN and DID outstrike Wandi…Oh I also find it kind of funny how all the PRIDE guys were running their mouths about Chuck…but I dont hear them now…WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR BOY?…he just got beat! BAD!

Oh and anyone who wants to say that the fight was close…go check out the post fight photos and just look at there faces…chuck looks a little roughed up but wandi looks like he is inches from death.

It doesn’t matter about the looks of their face. Wanderlei’s face looks swollen all time. Go look back at the post fight pics from the PENN/GSP fight. GSP’s face looked a lot more messed up than BJ Penn’s did. Facial appearance after a fight should not define a fighter. Wanderlei has a much stronger chin than Chuck does, but last night Chuck won the match.

I, for the most part, agree with you.

Chucks a bitch? spinning back fist combonations he had wandi stunned more then once he clearly out striked him and as far as being scared to get close to him he took wandi down how much closer can you get and he had him up against the fence several times pretty damn close to him if you ask me you need to watch the fight again

Rampage’s reaction showed that he was hoping to get revenge on the AxeMurderer, and was dissapointed that Chuck won. I agree that Machida should fight Thiago and the winner get the winner of Rampage & Forrest. Also, that Soku should fight Houston. As for the WWs, if Serra isn’t ready for the UFC in Montreal, I also agree that GSP should then fight Fitch. Karo got beat by Diego, who was beat soundly by Fitch. Thus, Fitch should be ahead of Karo. If Serra loses to GSP (which most of us expect) then it would be nice for a Matt vs. Matt match, loser retires. Actually, I think Hughes should retire… after he fights Serra… which will only happen if Serra loses to GSP in Montreal. Dana knew what he was doing… putting highly regarded Soku vs. Machida. Most knowledgable MMA fans knew that an undefeated, experienced Machida would win (just like Thiago beat Houston). It’s easier for Dana to gain fans for Machida and Thiago this way by pitting them against the hyped strikers, than to try and market what unknowledgable MMA fans would consider boring fighters.

I had Hughes winning the entire fight also until GSP accidently found a way to submit him.

have you ever watched an mma fight before? they guy taking the beating is the one that is not winning, just so you know…or are you one of those guys who cant deal with the fact that your favorite fighters are not winning

I would like to see:
Chuck vs. Shogun (strike fest)
Chuck vs. Machida (would be a great chess match between 2 strikers with the best footwork in mma)
Soko vs. Houston
Jardine vs. Tiago
Wandy vs. Rashad or Hendo (if he looses to Anderson)

I, for the most part, agree with you.

did you guys actually watch the fight?

CHUCK LIDDELL WILL MOST LIKELY WITHOUT A DOUBT FACE MAURICIO “SHOGUN” RUA IN APRIL.

Shogun said he would fight in April, that’s UFC 83 and Chuck should be his opponent, we all know Tito is not man enough to face Shogun, Forrest is fighting Rampage. I would pay 100USD to see The Iceman Vs Shogun!!

have you ever watched an mma fight before? they guy taking the beating is the one that is not winning, just so you know…or are you one of those guys who cant deal with the fact that your favorite fighters are not winning

Don’t sweat it man. This guy is just writing nonsense so people like us can overreact and quote his comment.

There’s only one more fight I really want to see happen:

BJ “The Prodigy” Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre 2.

yes…me too.no way in hell BJ would lose again.

dkortez

Wandy did not knock Chuck down. Both times Chuck went down was slip. Rogan and Greenberg both said it was a slip. I mean if you watched the fight you would know that.

I think it wasn’t a coincidence that Wandi landed a light right while Chuck wasn’t on balance. Chuck obviously wasn’t hurt but he slipped for a reason

well all my picks went to shit except for Chuck vs Wandi.still think GSP aint shit.Looking forward to Serra knocking him out again.I just hope Serra heals up all the way and is 100%.

I just like to bring laughter to peoples lives. didn’t think anyone would take it to heart. im now holding my head down in shame.

- Props to Chuck for the performance, but I was disappointed he didn’t go for the finish. It was clear to me when he backed off to check the time, that he knew he’d won already and was just calculating the best way to run the clock out, (ala just enough to win Tim Silvia)

- GSP is a monster when his head is in the game! I can’t imagine anyone beating him (But I’ve said that before as well)

- Props to Hughes for the class admission that GSP was now the better figher.

- SOKA just wasn’t quite ready for rated UFC competition I see. I do think that matchups make fights and agree with the suggestions of Alexander as his next opponent

yes…me too.no way in hell BJ would lose again.

I completely agree.

jdawg, you’re such a tool. I can garanty everyone that you’re a racist! for sure.

yes…me too.no way in hell BJ would lose again.

I think BJ is more of a force at 155lbs, he’s 1-2 @ 170 inside the UFC and historically he shows up for 170lbs fights in poor condition. I think that BJ is more naturally gifted skill wise then GSP, but GSP’s athleticism out weighs any advantage that BJ has technically.

I’ll mesure BJ more after the Stevenson fight.

Well, GSP proved without a doubt that he is the best ww, period. GSP dominated Hughes on the ground, and I think he has proven that he is now the most dominating striker, and that he has the best ground game in that division. GSP is the definition of class, and he represents the sport about as well as you can. As a fan of Hughes, I am glad that he is passing on the torch to such a great fighter, and such a class act.
As for Hughes, you have to give him credit for taking the fight. He could have waited for Serra to heal, and thus give himself more or less a sure chance of regaining the belt. He chose to gamble and he lost. I really hope that Hughes gets one more fight, and that it is with Serra. Serra is very disrespectful and I would love to see Hughes get a chance to make him eat his words. If and when Hughes fights and beats Serra, he should hang it up as the sport has now passed him by. He was a great champ, and he will for sure be in the Hall of Fame.
Obviously GSP will crush Serra when they next fight, and I don’t see anyone in sight that can hang with GSP.

Agree on all accounts. Plenty of respect for Hughes because in his heart of hearts I think he knew that he was going to lose. He’s definately a gamer for taking the fight instead of waiting.

spinning backfist. wow.

so pleased chuck won. i am a fan of wandy but always shout for chuck. chuck absolutley dominated that fight. altho wandy took everything and didnt get knocked out. hats off to him for that. chuck looked bigger and better and proved that he aint to old and that he can still get everyone on the edge of there seats.

                 CHUCK LIDDELL IS THE MAN!!!!

Chuck was the better fighter..Wandi is the man..he left everything in there..anyone else getting caught on the jar like that would of been gone night night fast. I just thought in the second he should of been in the clinch more and when dropped Chuck should of jumped on top of him…but it live up to expectation. Joe and mike gotta go..that forehead tapc shit was gay.

I, for the most part, agree with you.

for the love of god, did wandy have chuck up against the cage beating on him – NO, chuck out classed him in the boxing dept, and as pUniSHment said and i quote “It doesn’t matter about the looks of their face. Wanderlei’s face looks swollen all time” and “Facial appearance after a fight should not define a fighter” Well facial appearance after a fight does define a fighter especially if they lost, as for wandys face looking swollen before the fight, do u kno anything bout mma, the last week before the fight dere is no contact training, he was black and blue after that fight!!

dkortez

Wandy did not knock Chuck down. Both times Chuck went down was slip. Rogan and Greenberg both said it was a slip. I mean if you watched the fight you would know that.

very well said i agree with you, i suprise at 1st when i saw chuck down to the canvas without getting hit, but i keep play&rewind then i saw it was a clearly slip.

ricky: have to diagree with you! I think chuck took him down cos he was gassing, and also a clever ploy to give wandy something else to think about, chuck was technically the better striker wandy was just windmilling! Thats the best fight i’ve seen in a while

Wandy won the whole fight on my card. EASY.

Bias….. coz he is you very diol then you keep denying yourself,even though deep inside you brain know know who really won,wake up & accept the truth

7-0 in the UFC is enough in my book.

im confuse in this one,i personally dreaming a match about fitch & GSP.i like that,but im little confuse if he’s relly deserving coz i like that fighter. hhmm maybe one more big name,i want him to go after Karo, then if he wins, then title shot

HAHA Hughes got his ass kicked, outclassed in everything, just like I said. Beat the fucking shit right outta him. Hughes NEVER had a chance. Period.

GsP Is The Man!

He got tossed around badly. GsP submitted Hughes the fucker. Arrogent hillbilly redneck fucker.

just got back from vegas, man had a awesome time there, better experience then anaheim fight card only a couple crappy fights like dean lister and doug evans match sucked, you couldn’t imagine their energy in the crowd when lidell and silva were fighting, very loud, and crazy scene, gsp just destroyed hughes, fight of the night maybe the year the lidell fight lived up to the hype, silva is one tough dude he just kept taking shots but would not go down. can’t wait till the next vegas fights to go again

spinning backfist. wow.

It didn’t land. It clipped him on the head. It was the right hook after the attempted spinning backfist that did the damage.

GSP IS a freak of nature.
You can’t beat him on the ground, you can’t beat him standing.
I guess your only chance is to illegaly strike him in the back of the head.
For those of you saying Anderson Silva can beat this guy is a joke.
Man o man that wandy can take a punch.

WOW WHAT A FIGHT… BUT CHUCK IS A BITCH… he didn’t out strike wandy at all!!.. only reason why he won is cuz he shot for the take down… and was scared to come close to wandy the whole time. its funny chuck hasn’t shot for a take down in like EVER!! but yet against the man that he knew he can’t outstrike he went for the take down!! still good job chuck but you won’t get ur title back… rampage is the king!!! i think shogun vs liddel WOULD BE AMAZING TO WATCH…. a younger silva……..

Bitter bitter fans!!! RICKY my friend im afraid you talk shit BITCH!! Almost all you say is wrong here, cant understand your reasoning other than bitter bitter fan!!

Also did anyone see rampage shake his head after chuck won the fight!! he wanted the rematch with silva, BAD!! Unfortunately for rampage hes gony have to face the ICEMAN again!! this time different outcome!!

Seriously though im over the moon for chuck, all the haters and trash talkers have silenced themselves!! Bad mouthing chuck day in day out until the fight, now all i can hear is birds chirping in trees, and as they say, normal service has resumed. CHUCK had lost his way and has now returned to us a stronger MAN!!
Mind problems, beer gut, one dimensional, too old, slurred speach, no drive, no hunger but to name a few!! AYE right then!! how does chuck respond to all you fools!! Dominate your hero BIG TIME!! Eat Shit and die haters!! Chuck just paid for my holidays hahahahaahahahaahahahaahahha!!!!!
Respect to wandi tho, look forward to see you fight again!!

I was amazed on how skinny Wandy came in for the fight, he usually comes in a lot bigger.

This was in pride and as we all know they were all “clean” in pride. Did you ever see how big wandy was when he fought cro-cop? He looked pretty juiced at that time.

Wow. 79 was top notch action excluding Eddie and Soa of course. Out of the big 3 I got 2 correct. I backed Wandy but I was happy to see the old Chuck back.

Machida is damn good. I can see him becoming the champ. As for GSP well he is the best fighter in all of mma in my opinion. Pound for pound the best I think.

I completely agree.

well all my picks went to shit except for Chuck vs Wandi.still think GSP aint shit.Looking forward to Serra knocking him out again.I just hope Serra heals up all the way and is 100%.

  Jesus, are you for real? Serra is going to get a severe beating much worse than hughes I guarantee it, I’ve never seen someone who is as off as jdawg. Even if serra is 150% gsp is going to destroy him worse than anyone he did before, gsp angry and focused spells serious trouble for serra. Bj penn, fitch, serra I don’t give a damn who they are if gsp shows up mentally and physically like he did at ufc 79 they don’t have a chance in hell. Gsp is miles beyond any welter weight and might be able to mop the floor with any middle weight too including anderson silva and dan henderson.

There’s only one more fight I really want to see happen:

            BJ “The Prodigy” Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre 2.

        yes…me too.no way in hell BJ would lose again.

    I completely agree.

If the same fighter show’s up who fought hughes in ufc 79 bj penn would be utterly destroyed, no contest.

My two favorite fighters are bj penn and gsp so i doubt my oppinion isn’t really biased and i say st. pierre wins more definatively the second time around

I’ve never seen gsp look so impressive I’m not totally sure he’s human. I used to think he wasn’t ready yet for anderson silva but now I’m not sure silva is ready for gsp, I’ve see hughes hang with tito ortiz who weighed something like 220 in a grappling match and gsp made hughes look terrible. Your extremely delusional if you think serra will do any better, his chances are next to nil, gsp will own him on the ground too. Serra doesn’t have the luxury of an unprepared, coming off and injury gsp to fight next. Serra will be the one coming off and injury and gsp will be better than ever, and gsp doesn’t make the same mistakes twice, see hughes 1,2 and 3 if you doubt it.

Liddell vs. Silva: Chuck clearly won a decision victory. That being said, it was not a total domination. Chuck was the more accurate and controlled striker, his shots were also more powerful. However everytime chuck went in to hit Wandy, and did, Wandy woiuld answer with his own wild swinging shot that more often than not connected with Chuck. Even when Wandy was hurt he kept hitting chuck also. When it comes to who was controlling the PACE of the fight I would have to say Wandy. He had Chuck backing up almost the whole fight except when ever Chuck hurt him bad. Obviously the only reason Chuck was taking Wandy down was that it was completly unexpected and judges do award points for takedowns. Wandy does have better ground skills than Chuck and chuck was always eager to stand back up after he got a takedown.( Anyone else notice wandy load-up for an upkick to Chuck’s head after being taken down the first time and stopping himself at the last second?) I was like," No Wandy! It’s not Pride!" I have to hand it to both of them that neither was finished. Wandy looked worse at the end, but his face puffs up like that if someone looks at him wrong(scar tissue).
I say just give Machida a title shot next. Screw Liddell. Beating Silvva was a feat but he did just loose to Jardine. And Jardine did get knocked out in a minute before that. Jardine did KO Forrest but Forrest did go on to beat Ranirez and Shogun!

Damn. GSP by armbar. I guess Arianni is like the new Randy at picking fight winners. She aint no airhead.

My bad. Arianny.

Also, not sure how I could have forgotten, but HOW could Wandy not have tried to Thai clinche Chuck and unleash his most devestating weapons? Idiot.

I’m not totally biased towards gsp and am actually a hughes fan. I felt sorry for hughes, he looked so defeated and hopeless looking. For years he relied on his strength and his wrestling and gsp owned him in his own world, he looked humiliated which I personally took no pleasure in seeing. The only thing I was happy about was that gsp beat hughes by submission which most didn’t think he could do but I thought was possible. I wanted gsp to win but not the way he did I thought the fight would be more competitive but it was terribly one sided and humiliating to hughes, I would hate to see him leave the sport on that fight.

jdawg Dec 30th, 2007 at 5:40 pm Quote this comment

well all my picks went to shit except for Chuck vs Wandi.still think GSP aint shit.Looking forward to Serra knocking him out again.I just hope Serra heals up all the way and is 100%.

dude you are a tool. gsp will stop serra easy did you not watch the fight at all or something?? GSP made hughes look like a fish on land. god damn you are ignorant

at this point in time, GSP is d*amn good, i dont see any 170 pounder right now who can beat him, may be give him a good fight , but beating him, i dont know

right now the only way to beat GSP is to land a lucky knockout strike, which serra done before

WOW WHAT A FIGHT… BUT CHUCK IS A BITCH… he didn’t out strike wandy at all!!.. only reason why he won is cuz he shot for the take down… and was scared to come close to wandy the whole time. its funny chuck hasn’t shot for a take down in like EVER!! but yet against the man that he knew he can’t outstrike he went for the take down!! still good job chuck but you won’t get ur title back… rampage is the king!!! i think shogun vs liddel WOULD BE AMAZING TO WATCH…. a younger silva……..

Chuck most definetly out struck Wandy and if you don’t believe me ,just ask Wandy’s FACE.

If the same fighter show’s up who fought hughes in ufc 79 bj penn would be utterly destroyed, no contest.

I notice when a fighter dominates ONE fight everyone jumps on the bandwagon and say’s he’s unstoppable. I truly believe that GSP will NOT beat BJ PENN again. I will say again that BJ PENN did gas in his last fight with GSP, but it will never happen again. He has a new strength and conditioning coach and his coach will take care of his cardio regimen. I have not yet seen ANYONE DOMINATE BJ Penn in a fight, including the 205 pound Lyoto Machida. BJ PENN has a lot more skill than GSP, but GSP has the power. However the UFC 79 match betweem MACHIDA and Sokudjou should prove that skill is A LOT more valuable than strength.

Awesome fights. I am very happy with the results.

Liddell, when he can be bothered, is the best 205 in the world. Jardine was extremely lucky.

The road ahead:

Liddell v Machida fight and winner fights victor from Rampage v Griffin.

Where is Shogun going to come back into the mix? Does he get Soukoujou?

I was amazed on how skinny Wandy came in for the fight, he usually comes in alot bigger.

That’s what happens when you lay off the juice.

“Liddell v Machida fight and winner fights victor from Rampage v Griffin.”

and what about jardine, the guy that just beat chuck, forrest. machida should fight jardine with the winner getting a title shot. ]

liddell is two fights away from a title shot.he just dropped two fights before this win. he should fight rashad evans next.

Wandy won the whole fight on my card. EASY.

You must be the judge that scored the Hammil – Bisping fight.

I notice when a fighter dominates ONE fight everyone jumps on the bandwagon and say’s he’s unstoppable. I truly believe that GSP will NOT beat BJ PENN again. I will say again that BJ PENN did gas in his last fight with GSP, but it will never happen again. He has a new strength and conditioning coach and his coach will take care of his cardio regimen. I have not yet seen ANYONE DOMINATE BJ Penn in a fight, including the 205 pound Lyoto Machida. BJ PENN has a lot more skill than GSP, but GSP has the power. However the UFC 79 match betweem MACHIDA and Sokudjou should prove that skill is A LOT more valuable than strength.

Penn has NO chance sorry bro.

Nice example…LOL gsp has skill to match his strength penn would be destroyed.

Chuck won. No excuses why wandi didn’t Chuck was the better fighter. Wandi did what he said he was going to do as he always does in his fights but got beat by a much better striker. Anyone who doesn’t agree can kiss my ass. We wanted to know who the better striker was between the two and know we know. Wandi was outclassed by Chuck PERIOD.

Great post, this is as simple as it gets.

I cant wait for HENDO VS ANDERSON that is going to be the fight of the year AS all the way

I notice when a fighter dominates ONE fight everyone jumps on the bandwagon and say’s he’s unstoppable. I truly believe that GSP will NOT beat BJ PENN again. I will say again that BJ PENN did gas in his last fight with GSP, but it will never happen again. He has a new strength and conditioning coach and his coach will take care of his cardio regimen. I have not yet seen ANYONE DOMINATE BJ Penn in a fight, including the 205 pound Lyoto Machida. BJ PENN has a lot more skill than GSP, but GSP has the power. However the UFC 79 match betweem MACHIDA and Sokudjou should prove that skill is A LOT more valuable than strength.

Man I ate my words hard regarding GSP and Hughes on the ground.

BJ vs. GSP = People are crowning GSP after this one domination, remember, with this domination over Hughes GSP still has nothin over Penn, Penn dominated in VERY similar fashion in fight one, and in fight two the same way, until a fluke injury.

I am a bigger fan, and have more respect then ever, for that animal of a man Wanderlei. AMAZING fighter, he’ll be back and will be destroying some people. I’m glad teh Wandi in all his glory is the one that made it to UFC, not like so many other Pride fighters.

Gsp did better in each of his fights with hughes, 1,2 and 3 the guy is getting scary, I would love to see his fight a silva, henderson and bj penn very interesting fights.

Mania I have to disagree with you about Fitch deserving a shot against GSP. Fitch’s only quality victory has been over Diego, thats it! Fitch vs. GSP would be very similar to Kos vs. GSP. He needs one more victory over a top contender (not Gono) to get GSP.
7-0 in the UFC is enough in my book.

It’s more than enough in my book too and it sure as hell is more then pulling a title shot out of a cracker jacks box like Sera did.

Gsp did better in each of his fights with hughes, 1,2 and 3 the guy is getting scary, I would love to see his fight a silva, henderson and bj penn very interesting fights.

See man you went from saying that Penn wasnt in his league, Penn would get destroyed, to saying that Penn and GSP is an interesting fight.
That’s all i’m saying, it is not unreasonalbe to believe GSP will win, nor vic versa, me personally, I believe PEnn will win, but that anyone will just get ran over (as did Hughes) out of the question.
Penn, (Like Randy) suprises people in all of his fights, from his HW fight with Machida, to MW with Ranzo, and his first WW with Hughes, nobody in any of those fights gave Penn a chance. Penn is teh man, and GSP better be on his A game for that fight.

See man you went from saying that Penn wasnt in his league, Penn would get destroyed, to saying that Penn and GSP is an interesting fight.
That’s all i’m saying, it is not unreasonalbe to believe GSP will win, nor vic versa, me personally, I believe PEnn will win, but that anyone will just get ran over (as did Hughes) out of the question.
Penn, (Like Randy) suprises people in all of his fights, from his HW fight with Machida, to MW with Ranzo, and his first WW with Hughes, nobody in any of those fights gave Penn a chance. Penn is teh man, and GSP better be on his A game for that fight.

Man I ate my words hard regarding GSP and Hughes on the ground.

BJ vs. GSP = People are crowning GSP after this one domination, remember, with this domination over Hughes GSP still has nothin over Penn, Penn dominated in VERY similar fashion in fight one, and in fight two the same way, until a fluke injury.

People are getting way too ahead of themselves. Let’s see how BJ looks against Stevenson.

Who gives a rats ass about BJ Penn, What’s his record again?
Trigg, Parisyan, Sherk, Koscheck, Hughes TWICE, AND PENN just to name the list of guys that ST PIERRE has beaten. He’s at the top. 1 second left in the round armbar and an illegal hit to the back of the head is all that he has lost.
Go somewhere with all this BJ talk.

One of the things that I know most fans do, I do as well, is play up your favorite fighters wins and play down their losses.

With that aside, I was voting for Wandi but Chuck one. Props to him, and I knew Chuck would win when Wandi just stood there and let Chuck get back up after the slip. That was a waste.

I do however wish Chuck would have finished the fight better. People keep saying this was vintage Chuck, yes it was but not the third round. It seemed like Chuck was coasting in the third round. He did take Wandi down, but it looked more like to hold him there till the bell hit. Vintage Chuck is knocking guys out, not winning by decision.

I dont think the fight was fixed, I’m not saying that I don’t think Dana will ever try. Dana is first and foremost a businessman, and maybe one day he will try to steal all of the Wrestling fans out there by bringing the WWE drama and staged fights over to the UFC. Thats a lot more $ for him. This is why I was upset when Soku came out with the Stupid Predator Mask. Where Koko B Ware? Hacksaw Jim Duggan? Stop with the theatre Soku and fight.

Agree for the most part, you have some good match ups. How about these?
Machida vs. Jardine, winner faces Rampage/ Griffin winner
Tito vs Shogun or Wandy
WAndy vs Evans
Soko-Houston-Bonnar any combo
Chuck vs Evans or Thiago Silva= winner following title shot
Vitor vs Bonnar, Hamill, Houston, Lambert

Karo vs Fitch,=winner title match with GSP
Serra will lose, so Hughes vs Serra
Kos vs Alves

Arlovski vs Cro Cop (if he’s still around), Vera, or Kongo, winner next in line for the title after Silvia/Nog

Clementi vs Danzig

bye bye Melvin..whaaaangh :( I like how he said to the camera “its not over” your career maybe not, but you’re time in the UFC IS!! lol…

alright how about this:

light heavys
machida vs jardine (winner gets winner of rampage/griffin)
liddell vs evans
wandy vs bonnar
shogun vs houston
thiago vs ortiz
sokou vs winner of lamber gouveia
hammil vs somebody

of course if vitor comes back the tail end of this all changes. i could see wandy vs ortiz again too.

welters
gsp vs serra
karo vs fitch (winner gets title shot)
koscheck vs thiago alves
hughes (if he doesnt retire) vs winner of koscheck/alves or serra if he loses.

There’s only one more fight I really want to see happen:
BJ “The Prodigy” Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre 2.
yes…me too.no way in hell BJ would lose again.
I completely agree.
If the same fighter show’s up who fought hughes in ufc 79 bj penn would be utterly destroyed, no contest.

The same fighter probably won’t show up though. A new and improved GSP will show up (he had a hole new bag of tricks for Hughes). Matt and BJ are a close match. The ever improving GSP would run through BJ like a freight train. Hell the old GSP beat him half blind and unable to breath properly. BJ had his chance to beat a wounded GSP and he couldn’t even do that.

BUSHSWINGER is an idiot. Bushswinger stated that Wandy was beating Chuck L. and that Matt Hughes was beating GSP. Bushswinger go back to watching boxing. You know nothing about MMA and UFC. ALSO, the Wandy vs Chuck L. fight was a little boring actually. Wandy was fighting like a biach! Wandy looked totaly outclased by senior citizen Chuck L. Lets face it, if it was a younger Chuck L. Chuck WOULD HAVE knocked Wendy, I mean Wandy out! Both fighters Iceman and Axe Murderer need to retire in my opinion.

BJ Penn is my favorite fighter but I must say, if GSP and BJ were to fight again, GSP would probably beat him. BJ clearly had the striking advantage over GSP in their first bout and that ‘s why GSP switched up his gameplan and went to his wrestling to squeeze out the decision. I think he’ll know better next time they fight and go immediately to setting up the takedown. GSP’s wrestling, athleticism and conditioning is more often than not going to be able to neutralize BJ’s freakish technique. However, GSP will definitely not DOMINATE him. Def a decision victory via takedowns and high paced work in the later rounds, because BJ will never have conditioning as good as GSP’s. I donno if anyone would.

That said, BJ is definitely a natural lightweight whereas GSP is HUGE at welterweight. Not trying to make excuses for him but if there was a lightweight GSP, BJ would would beat him. I still consider BJ the pound for pound best in MMA.

The same fighter probably won’t show up though. A new and improved GSP will show up (he had a hole new bag of tricks for Hughes). Matt and BJ are a close match. The ever improving GSP would run through BJ like a freight train. Hell the old GSP beat him half blind and unable to breath properly. BJ had his chance to beat a wounded GSP and he couldn’t even do that.

Great article Jessee. Spot on!

The same fighter probably won’t show up though. A new and improved GSP will show up (he had a hole new bag of tricks for Hughes). Matt and BJ are a close match. The ever improving GSP would run through BJ like a freight train. Hell the old GSP beat him half blind and unable to breath properly. BJ had his chance to beat a wounded GSP and he couldn’t even do that.

Matt and BJ are not close. If they were to fight right now BJ would clown him. You should rewatch both fights.

I agree with you that BJ was not able to close the deal on GSP in their fight, and that has everything to do with his terrible conditioning. That’s an aspect of BJ’s game that he has been improving on since that very fight. However GSP did not wound himself, don’t forget that.

Also, BJ vs. GSP was not the old GSP. That was the GSP that beat the crap out of Hughes in his next fight. The only improvement I have seen in GSP’s game since those two fights is his wrestling. That’s gonna be his ace in the hole against BJ, but it won’t be enough to “run through BJ like a freight train”.

A gassed BJ beat the hell outta a fit GSP, before and after blindness/nose broke. And after, an exhausted BJ still was able to stop a well prepared GSP from damaging him in the least.

I’ve never seen gsp look so impressive I’m not totally sure he’s human. I used to think he wasn’t ready yet for anderson silva but now I’m not sure silva is ready for gsp, I’ve see hughes hang with tito ortiz who weighed something like 220 in a grappling match and gsp made hughes look terrible. Your extremely delusional if you think serra will do any better, his chances are next to nil, gsp will own him on the ground too. Serra doesn’t have the luxury of an unprepared, coming off and injury gsp to fight next. Serra will be the one coming off and injury and gsp will be better than ever, and gsp doesn’t make the same mistakes twice, see hughes 1,2 and 3 if you doubt it.

Great post Nathan, after that clinic on Hughes (and I always felt GSP would own him, but that was insain) I to think GSP has a great shot at beating Silva. He was able to takedown Rashad and Jardine, yet they couldn’t get him down. That is very impressive considering the 2 weight class difference. Alot of people will say we’re crazy, anyhow here are my reasons, GSP will be able to get Silva down. Gsp is good at keeping a guy down and can inflict damage ,even in half mount.He is good at avoiding submissions and when he does get caught (BJ fight) he is so freeking strong he is able to power out. His cardio is off the chart and I think Anderson would tire first(not saying Silva’s cardio is bad, just GSP’s is insain). Silva’s got a great clinch,but not going to work on GSP. GSP is stronger and has more effective leg kicks. Now, can GSP take Silva down before he eats one to many of those fight ending blows (mainly knees). I think so and I seriously think Silva would be in trouble underneath GSP. One thing to consider before you call me crazy is, Hughes was a more dominant champ in a more talent rich pool, than Franklin was. Point being, Anderson looks like a bigger fish than he would if he was in GSP’s bigger pond.

To cut the bullshit and jump to the point, GSP is an olympic class wrestler, a versatile striker, and a dynamic athlete with absolutely ZERO holes in his game. He truly is one-of-a-kind. We may never see anyone as well-rounded as he is. Everyone just sit back and watch this young mans career explode into making him the most dominant fighter this MMA world has ever seen.

Man I ate my words hard regarding GSP and Hughes on the ground.
BJ vs. GSP = People are crowning GSP after this one domination, remember, with this domination over Hughes GSP still has nothin over Penn, Penn dominated in VERY similar fashion in fight one, and in fight two the same way, until a fluke injury.
People are getting way too ahead of themselves. Let’s see how BJ looks against Stevenson.

I was getting ahead of myself, when I said, “GSP would own Hughes worse than last time and that GSP would be the one taking Matt down and that Matt wouldn’t even be able to take him down once”. Unlike some people, I can see the blatent truth, that GSP has improved to the point where he is on another level from the rest of the WW’s and here I go again,getting ahead of my self, GSP will dominate Penn. GSP doesn’t just have 1 dominant win. He has progressivly, more dominant wins over everyone he has faced ,with the exception of Sera,YET and BJ . Anyone who has been poked in the eye,could see how that would be a huge disadvantage in a fight (like getting clipped on the nose ,and now you can’t breath right). My point being , GSP will probably not get poked in the eye in fight #2,yet he still beat BJ with a serious HANDICAP. Without the blured vision, GSP OWNES PENN!!!

There’s only one more fight I really want to see happen:
BJ “The Prodigy” Penn vs. Georges St. Pierre 2.
yes…me too.no way in hell BJ would lose again.
I completely agree.
If the same fighter show’s up who fought hughes in ufc 79 bj penn would be utterly destroyed, no contest.
The same fighter probably won’t show up though. A new and improved GSP will show up (he had a hole new bag of tricks for Hughes). Matt and BJ are a close match. The ever improving GSP would run through BJ like a freight train. Hell the old GSP beat him half blind and unable to breath properly. BJ had his chance to beat a wounded GSP and he couldn’t even do that.
A gassed BJ beat the hell outta a fit GSP, before and after blindness/nose broke. And after, an exhausted BJ still was able to stop a well prepared GSP from damaging him in the least.

You should watch that fight again. I’ve watched it at least 50 times and I keep seeing what GSP saw, " Bj punched me in the eye and in the nose, THAT’S IT ,he never touched me besides that" Striking is more than just fists, Penn took so many leg kick to his legs,his was waking around the cage like he shit his pants. TWO punches is NOT beating the hell out of someone and that is why the judges , Hughes, Rogan… and everyone else who can judge a fight OBJECTIVLY saw GSP as the WINNER. Man, I want this rematch more than anything. I’m sick of people saying Penn won because a broken nose produces so much blood.

I was getting ahead of myself, when I said, “GSP would own Hughes worse than last time and that GSP would be the one taking Matt down and that Matt wouldn’t even be able to take him down once”. Unlike some people, I can see the blatent truth, that GSP has improved to the point where he is on another level from the rest of the WW’s and here I go again,getting ahead of my self, GSP will dominate Penn. GSP doesn’t just have 1 dominant win. He has progressivly, more dominant wins over everyone he has faced ,with the exception of Sera,YET and BJ . Anyone who has been poked in the eye,could see how that would be a huge disadvantage in a fight (like getting clipped on the nose ,and now you can’t breath right). My point being , GSP will probably not get poked in the eye in fight #2,yet he still beat BJ with a serious HANDICAP. Without the blured vision, GSP OWNES PENN!!!

And let me argue this, that Penn’s poor conditioning hurt him, more than that eye poke hurt GSP.
And Penn almost got GSP down in the second I believe, maybe the third, while he was already gassing. His take down attempt was different than Hughes, more effective against GSP, where we went for the upper body lock and tripped up GSP’s leg with his own, he was really close to putting Pierre on his back, which I believe, would have led to his demize.

I notice when a fighter dominates ONE fight everyone jumps on the bandwagon and say’s he’s unstoppable. I truly believe that GSP will NOT beat BJ PENN again. I will say again that BJ PENN did gas in his last fight with GSP, but it will never happen again. He has a new strength and conditioning coach and his coach will take care of his cardio regimen. I have not yet seen ANYONE DOMINATE BJ Penn in a fight, including the 205 pound Lyoto Machida. BJ PENN has a lot more skill than GSP, but GSP has the power. However the UFC 79 match betweem MACHIDA and Sokudjou should prove that skill is A LOT more valuable than strength.

I think BJ Penn is an incredible fighter way better than his record or loses to hughes or GSP indicates. However, I think GSP will imploy his wrestling tatics like last time and lay n’ pray in order to beat BJ Penn. Also, I hate to question this since I like GSP a lot, but his strength difference against Hughes was ridicilous and performance enhancing substances seem suspect to me. GSP was getting stronger and more aggressive as the fight went on and out muscled Hughes, it just didn’t seem like he could possibly be that much stronger than Hughes, it was just such dominating a performance in the muscle and stamina department.

I think BJ Penn is an incredible fighter way better than his record or loses to hughes or GSP indicates. However, I think GSP will imploy his wrestling tatics like last time and lay n’ pray in order to beat BJ Penn. Also, I hate to question this since I like GSP a lot, but his strength difference against Hughes was ridicilous and performance enhancing substances seem suspect to me. GSP was getting stronger and more aggressive as the fight went on and out muscled Hughes, it just didn’t seem like he could possibly be that much stronger than Hughes, it was just such dominating a performance in the muscle and stamina department.

I notice when a fighter dominates ONE fight everyone jumps on the bandwagon and say’s he’s unstoppable. I truly believe that GSP will NOT beat BJ PENN again. I will say again that BJ PENN did gas in his last fight with GSP, but it will never happen again. He has a new strength and conditioning coach and his coach will take care of his cardio regimen. I have not yet seen ANYONE DOMINATE BJ Penn in a fight, including the 205 pound Lyoto Machida. BJ PENN has a lot more skill than GSP, but GSP has the power. However the UFC 79 match betweem MACHIDA and Sokudjou should prove that skill is A LOT more valuable than strength.

Speaking of strength, Hughes is supposed to be a power house and GSP totally dominated him in Hughes’ areas of strenght. Like you said, the only way for some one to beat GSP at this point seems to be a lucky punch, then again look at either one of GSP’s losses and we could consider the winners lucky to beat him. In the 1st Hughes fight, GSP did dominate for most of the round and only to be caught off guard with an arm bar. (pretty ironic that he beat him this time with an arm bar) and Serra’s lucky punch. If you like it or not, you have to admit that GSP is a machine that when it is fully tuned, it will be next to impossible to beat.

As to Penn, well, his cardio has always been questioned and he always seem to run out of gas. We will have to see a couple of fights to see if his new training regiment has made a difference. He is skilled but I still think GSP would pull off a win against BJ.

I think we will see the continued dominance of both GSP and Spyder in 2008.

Happy New Years folks!

File this one under Spiels and Rants:
I’m shocked and amazed, as is the clan I watched UFC 79 with, that people thought 79 turned out to be a great card. We were stoked to watch it but then really didn’t feel we got our money’s worth. In fact, the UFC virgin we brought over to watch left after the second fight to go NOT drink at home.

Prior to this card, my biggest complaint with the UFC was that the ring girls don’t wear high heels. (They could at least wear some sporty high heel wedges for goodness sake – increases the bounce factor.)

The first three fights were just boring.
Sokoudjou was a huge disappointment.
I actually started reading a book in the middle of Guillard’s performance and Palelei looked like he had been shot with with tranquillizers before the fight. Get that guy some Red Bull.

We started talking about possibly downloading the next pay-per-view for free the next day afterwards due to how terrible 79 was.

This card makes it less likely that we’ll attend events in person in the future. We were literally pitying the people who were at the fight. At least at home we can pause the TIVO to complain.

GSP – Hughes and Liddell – Silva weren’t the only good fights of the night; they were the only fights worth watching at all.

We think Dana White should apologize for putting on such a terrible show and give us all free access to the entire 79 undercard. We also started joking that the refs should be given the power to stop a fight on the grounds of the fight’s being so boring that it’s bad for the sport for the fans to be subjected it (re: Palelei). Either that or Dana should come out with a bright red cane tap-dancing to a gong.

On a positive note, I will say I’m in a bit of a rapture about GSP. It’s rare to see someone totally dominate the fight but have so much going on that the fight still keeps you on the edge of your seat. That said, I’m holding out a 5% hope that Serra is still able to beat him again because of how that would affect future cards and because Serra’s got a more appealing personality.

Clearly, the last TUF finale had much more exciting fights and it was free.

Was anyone staring at GSP’s fleur de lis on his shorts the entire time? Yeah, me neither….! :) God, he is in such phenomenal shape that it’s sick!

Wandy won the whole fight on my card. EASY.

Are you kidding me????

Didn’t know Stevie Wonder was into MMA.

BUSHSWINGER is an idiot. Bushswinger stated that Wandy was beating Chuck L. and that Matt Hughes was beating GSP. Bushswinger go back to watching boxing. You know nothing about MMA and UFC. ALSO, the Wandy vs Chuck L. fight was a little boring actually. Wandy was fighting like a biach! Wandy looked totaly outclased by senior citizen Chuck L. Lets face it, if it was a younger Chuck L. Chuck WOULD HAVE knocked Wendy, I mean Wandy out! Both fighters Iceman and Axe Murderer need to retire in my opinion.

I’m sorry bro, but you MAY need to think about what was said a little more. i mean, come on.
i’ll hold back from maybe saying things that might be a little sarcastic and just go back to ranting on and on about the same topics and repeat myself over and over.
thanks for your support.

I just like to bring laughter to peoples lives. didn’t think anyone would take it to heart. im now holding my head down in shame.

Its okay Bro, just know that its not always easy to note sarcasm on a forum.

The more I think about it, the more I would hate to see Hughes retire on the note he went out on in his loss to GSP. First off, I believe he should at least stick around long enough to fight Serra, and make Serra back up all of his talk. I also would not mind seeing him fight Diego or even Kos.
There is no doubt that GSP is the best in the ww division, and he is much better than Hughes. However, Hughes did a stand up thing by fighting GSP (As did GSP in taking the fight on short rest), and I want him to go out on a bit of a win streak.
Let him dominate Serra and Diego and then retire. It will be great to watch him crush Serra, and I think he will feel better about going out on a win. There is no shame in losing to a fighter as great and classy as GSP, but Hughes is still no slouch, and other than GSP, I would not write him off against anyone else in the ww diviision.

I had Hughes winning the entire fight also until GSP accidently found a way to submit him.

Accidently?!?!?!
You must be an amateur UFC watcher, that was nothing but skills. Hughes is good but GSP is just crazy good, I was amazed to see him take Hughes out of his game like that. GPS made Hughes look scared and intimidated this fight, kind of like GSP did their first fight.

Wandy won the whole fight on my card. EASY.

 
I hope Betus.com have seen the fight with you, so I dont loose my money…

Man I was happy for Chuck, especially for proving all of the idiots wrong that were calling for his retirement and saying he was washed up. I like Wandy though, kind of felt sorry for him after the fight. I will pull for him anytime except against my man Chuck.

Man I was happy for Chuck, especially for proving all of the idiots wrong that were calling for his retirement and saying he was washed up. I like Wandy though, kind of felt sorry for him after the fight. I will pull for him anytime except against my man Chuck.

Wanderlei didn’t look himself AT ALL. I don’t understand it. Maybe there’s something we don’t know, maybe he was sick, or injured, I don’t know. But he fought Chuck’s fight, not his. I was really dissappointed in that aspect.

Man I was happy for Chuck, especially for proving all of the idiots wrong that were calling for his retirement and saying he was washed up. I like Wandy though, kind of felt sorry for him after the fight. I will pull for him anytime except against my man Chuck.
Wanderlei didn’t look himself AT ALL. I don’t understand it. Maybe there’s something we don’t know, maybe he was sick, or injured, I don’t know. But he fought Chuck’s fight, not his. I was really dissappointed in that aspect.

Wandy wasnt sick. He was actually cleaner than hes ever been.

GSP BABY! Was there ever any doubt? I hope he crushes serra in their rematch. Serra has always been known for his jits so I’d love to see him get submitted by GSP. Interesting note: GSP tried but could not lock in the same submission against koscheck—maybe matt hughes isn’t as strong as everyone thought. Still, i think hughes should continue competing and eventually work his way back up—he could probably take diego or koscheck, but it would be cool to see him go against karo or fitch.

Everybody always says GSP is mentally weak. Now that he’s completley dominated his idle twice is that still the case?

Wanderlei didn’t look himself AT ALL. I don’t understand it. Maybe there’s something we don’t know, maybe he was sick, or injured, I don’t know. But he fought Chuck’s fight, not his. I was really dissappointed in that aspect.

I totally agree with you, It wasent the Wandy we always see…

“The only fear I have is to not fight well, the victory is just a consequence.”
- Wanderlei Silva -
He really don´t fight well…

Damn. GSP by armbar. I guess Arianni is like the new Randy at picking fight winners. She aint no airhead.

I loved her reasons for her picks. “I’ve always been a big fan so I’m going to pick fighter X”. I thought it was kind of cute and funny. You have the Freestyle Motocross dude and Bonnar going into great depth and she just sits there looking a little out of her element. She did go with Soko though because “no one from Pride has done well yet” or something along those lines.

Bonnar nailed all the picks though. Fair play.

Thanks Dana for bringing Soa into the HW division. Maybe this will show you that you need to bring back AA… and his price tag just got higher after that HW fight that shouldn’t have been shown. What an embarrassment to the UFC HW division. Yikes!

We were at the fights and we saw wandi after his fight and his face was SOOOOO jacked up….all he would say was “I respect chuck, he a great fighter and hits very hard”…lol his english is so tough to understand! But I dont care what anyone says…chuck won that fight EASILY! He won every round and I dont care if he didnt win by KO…it would have been nice to see but he still showed the world that he CAN and DID outstrike Wandi…Oh I also find it kind of funny how all the PRIDE guys were running their mouths about Chuck…but I dont hear them now…WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR BOY?…he just got beat! BAD!

Oh and anyone who wants to say that the fight was close…go check out the post fight photos and just look at there faces…chuck looks a little roughed up but wandi looks like he is inches from death.

Been reading through the posts, and this one made me think of something – in regards to the PRIDE fighters performances in the ocatgon. PRIDE and the UFC not only fight in different ‘rings’ (a ring vs a cage), but there are also several differences in the rules and fighting in a square with ropes compared to a caged octagon makes for a very different venue. What I wish to have seen, is all of the UFC fighers fight the PRIDE fighers over in Japan, using PRIDE’s rules. I can guarantee that all of the outcomes would NOT be the same.

Please remember, that I am not trying to take anything away from Chuck, and I myslelf have always been a “UFC guy”, but a UFC guy that loved to watch PRIDE and most other MMA.

Something to think about: Everybody says that if Rampage and Wanderei were to fight today that Rampage would win decisively because he is much better of a fighter today, than he was back then. OK. So if this is true, that half-ass Japanese Rampage beat the living crap out of Chuck in PRIDE when Dana brought his golden boy over trying to prove a point. I mean, Rampage beat the crap out of him. The fight took place where Rampage was used to fighting, and the rules he was used to. Chuck needed to make many adjustments. PRIDE fights are very different from UFC fights, and vice a versa. Why people still bring up the PRIDE vs UFC thing is beyone me, THERE IS NO MORE PRIDE!

This was in pride and as we all know they were all “clean” in pride. Did you ever see how big wandy was when he fought cro-cop? He looked pretty juiced at that time.[/quote]

I was amazed on how skinny Wandy came in for the fight, he usually comes in a lot bigger.

Please don’t forget that when Wanderlei fought Cro Cop, it was an open weight fight. NO WEIGH INS. No cutting weight to make 205.

Hughes needs to retire immediatley and go milk cows on his farm! Why is there so many Chuck haters here? You say Chuck is over rated? Look at all the fighters he has knocked out in a row! This is not boxing its mma and every one loses. No one gave chuck a chance in this fight and he dominated the entire fight! No one has a highlight reel of knockouts like chuck does! On a different note I would love to see St. Pierre move up in weight and fight Anderson Silva! How do you guys see that one going? Oh, and by the way, Fedor is scared fag! Running from an old man, what a chump! He knows if he came to the UFC he would lose. Hes not # 1!!!!

Well, GSP proved without a doubt that he is the best ww, period. GSP dominated Hughes on the ground, and I think he has proven that he is now the most dominating striker, and that he has the best ground game in that division. GSP is the definition of class, and he represents the sport about as well as you can. As a fan of Hughes, I am glad that he is passing on the torch to such a great fighter, and such a class act.
As for Hughes, you have to give him credit for taking the fight. He could have waited for Serra to heal, and thus give himself more or less a sure chance of regaining the belt. He chose to gamble and he lost. I really hope that Hughes gets one more fight, and that it is with Serra. Serra is very disrespectful and I would love to see Hughes get a chance to make him eat his words. If and when Hughes fights and beats Serra, he should hang it up as the sport has now passed him by. He was a great champ, and he will for sure be in the Hall of Fame.
Obviously GSP will crush Serra when they next fight, and I don’t see anyone in sight that can hang with GSP.

I couldn’t agree with you more. Well said bro.

Shogun is a bad match for Chuck, he is bigger and taller than Wandy so he will have a better reach on him. And I know its going to be an old Shogun fighting Chuck and not the one that fought Forrest. So if they fight, I don’t see Shogun standing and slugging with him like Wandy did, but he will be setting up for a takedown, GNP, and looking for submission, that is how I would fight Liddell. I was at the event, hands down to Wandy, he is way smaller then Liddell which makes the huge difference. I felt bad for him, it takes balls to stand toe to toe with the best striker in the MMA, eat those punches and not get his faced broken. Big Liddel fan, but Wandy is one tough SOB.

GSP vs SERRA in Montreal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I totally agree that would be awesome.Come on Dana dont make us get down on our knees again…..

I am a bigger fan, and have more respect then ever, for that animal of a man Wanderlei. AMAZING fighter, he’ll be back and will be destroying some people. I’m glad teh Wandi in all his glory is the one that made it to UFC, not like so many other Pride fighters.

I totally agree. I’ve never seen that side of Wanderlei in Pride. I wasn’t a big fan of his before, but the fight with Chuck was amazing. I would say that I now have a great deal of respect for Wanderlei, not just as a fighter, but as a person. He is a family man, and a people’s champion. I wish that more fighters had his attitude. I also wish that Wanderlei rebounds from this loss and is in title contension within the next two years.

Thiago vs Machida would beat f’ing phenomal! Machida imo takes it.. I think machida handidly beats rampage as well..
GSP IS the BEST p4p fighter in the world today, I think he tools a. silva. Eddie sanchez has downs. TQst suked balls last night. Cant wait for hendo/silva. Fedor IS a can himself, anyone with ground game, including myself couldve submitted that oger much the same.

Out grappling and submitting Matt Hughes in a dominating fashion is huge. We’ve seen in GSP’s last two fights that he approaches the standing aspect very cautious and avoids multiple punch exchanges in the pocket, and i’ll be very surprised if we see GSP knock anybody out standing up ever again.

From the dominance he displayed over one of the most well conditioned, highly skilled and accomplished fighters, we may see a reign of dominance equivalent to Matt Hughes era in the WW division.

Chuck is still going to be the number one contender in the UFC for a long time. I think if Chuck fights rampage the way he fought silva he could easily beat him especially if uses more of his wrestling. Rampage is alot like Chuck in the way he fights, I just think if Chuck changes up some of his fighting style like he did with silva rampage would fold. And to all you dumb ass Chuck haters who are for some reason still hanging around, CHUCK WILL BE AROUND FOR A LOOOONG TIME so get over it BITCHES.

Damn. GSP by armbar. I guess Arianni is like the new Randy at picking fight winners. She aint no airhead.

Maybe better, Randy picked Wandy to win. Mind you, what is Randy going to say,“ya my budy Wandy is going to lose”

Wandy wasnt sick. He was actually cleaner than hes ever been.

That’s the problem, he was to clean.lol

Shogun is a bad match for Chuck, he is bigger and taller than Wandy so he will have a better reach on him. And I know its going to be an old Shogun fighting Chuck and not the one that fought Forrest. So if they fight, I don’t see Shogun standing and slugging with him like Wandy did, but he will be setting up for a takedown, GNP, and looking for submission, that is how I would fight Liddell. I was at the event, hands down to Wandy, he is way smaller then Liddell which makes the huge difference. I felt bad for him, it takes balls to stand toe to toe with the best striker in the MMA, eat those punches and not get his faced broken. Big Liddel fan, but Wandy is one tough SOB.

Taking Chuck down is easier said than done. He is a good wrestler with takedown defence only second to GSP. As for the clinch,good luck, just ask Tito and Wandy how those Gash opening elbows feel, when you grab ahold of Chuck. Listening to Chuck in his post fight interview, how he says he got away from the things that worked for him and that he is going to go back to them. A striker that shows he can and will take you down , makes his striking more efective,because his opponent is also gaurding the takedowns. I think we are going to see a more versatile Chuck now. Showgun and Chuck would be a great fight ,with Showgun taking a nap (his head just isn’t as hard as Wandys).

I totally agree with you, It wasent the Wandy we always see…

“The only fear I have is to not fight well, the victory is just a consequence.”
- Wanderlei Silva -
He really don´t fight well…

 He didn’t fight well because Chuck game planned against all his strengths, don’t make excuses. Chuck dominated him, Wandy said this was his best shape ever. Chuck won, end of story!

GSP is out of this world! he’s the best thing going in the ufc, both in the octogon and outside. for everyone who say that his wrestling isn’t that good you need a wake up call! buddy almost made the olympic team! and on top of that he beat both Koscheck and Hughes (twice) who are both D1 all american wrestlers. as well, he regularly travels to brazil to work on his bjj. i can easily see him turning into the ufc’s less cocky version of ali. seriously!

I totally agree. I’ve never seen that side of Wanderlei in Pride. I wasn’t a big fan of his before, but the fight with Chuck was amazing. I would say that I now have a great deal of respect for Wanderlei, not just as a fighter, but as a person. He is a family man, and a people’s champion. I wish that more fighters had his attitude. I also wish that Wanderlei rebounds from this loss and is in title contension within the next two years.

I felt really bad for SOKO as well though, I went out to dinner with him one time, right after he was interviewed by this site a while back, before his UFC signing, right after his ARona fight. He was a really cool guy, payed for my all american slam, was joking with us and everything, it was crazy seeing him fight after that, and I was really bummed that he got beat in taht fashion, he is so young though, can you think of ANYBODY so young and inexpirianced, that is or was at the level he has gotten himself to? I know he’ll be back as well.

“Agree for the most part, you have some good match ups. How about these?
Machida vs. Jardine, winner faces Rampage/ Griffin winner”

Tito vs Shogun or Wandy
WAndy vs Evans
Soko-Houston-Bonnar any combo
Chuck vs Evans or Thiago Silva= winner following title shot
Vitor vs Bonnar, Hamill, Houston, Lambert

Karo vs Fitch,=winner title match with GSP
Serra will lose, so Hughes vs Serra
Kos vs Alves

Arlovski vs Cro Cop (if he’s still around), Vera, or Kongo, winner next in line for the title after Silvia/Nog

Clementi vs Danzig

bye bye Melvin..whaaaangh I like how he said to the camera “its not over” your career maybe not, but you’re time in the UFC IS!! lol…"

alright how about this:

light heavys
machida vs jardine (winner gets winner of rampage/griffin)
liddell vs evans
wandy vs bonnar
shogun vs houston
thiago vs ortiz
sokou vs winner of lamber gouveia
hammil vs somebody

of course if vitor comes back the tail end of this all changes. i could see wandy vs ortiz again too.

welters
gsp vs serra
karo vs fitch (winner gets title shot)
koscheck vs thiago alves
hughes (if he doesnt retire) vs winner of koscheck/alves or serra if he loses.[/quote]

those matchups sound kosher. machida vs jardine is a must since both are most deserving of a title shot against the winner of rampage/griffin. i also think chuck should fight evans, a top 5 light heavy and not thiago silva, a top ten light heavy. really, any matchups between top ten’ers/fifteen’ers of the division; wandy, shogun, thiago, bonnar, tito, lambert(if he beats gouveia) , vitor (if he comes back), hammil, houston, and sokou works for me.

i dont know what to say about arlovski. i still think he should be getting a title shot instead of tim. i would like to see him vs kongo with the winner getting a title shot.

i think clementi has to much for mac right now. mac, even though he has experience, is a baby. he needs to fight the top 20 gatekeepers. i would like to see clementi vs franca or fisher.

Mania I have to disagree with you about Fitch deserving a shot against GSP. Fitch’s only quality victory has been over Diego, thats it! Fitch vs. GSP would be very similar to Kos vs. GSP. He needs one more victory over a top contender (not Gono) to get GSP.

1000% Agree!!! Fitch has a big mouth for someone that hasn’t beat a top 5 yet.
His comments after the Diego fight were so disgraceful(Diego made that fight exciting and watchable).
Prediction 2009;
Caro G&Ps Fitch to a bloody mess.
Diego bulks a few kilos, and makes a comeback.

Hughes needs to retire immediatley and go milk cows on his farm! Why is there so many Chuck haters here? You say Chuck is over rated? Look at all the fighters he has knocked out in a row! This is not boxing its mma and every one loses. No one gave chuck a chance in this fight and he dominated the entire fight! No one has a highlight reel of knockouts like chuck does! On a different note I would love to see St. Pierre move up in weight and fight Anderson Silva! How do you guys see that one going? Oh, and by the way, Fedor is scared fag! Running from an old man, what a chump! He knows if he came to the UFC he would lose. Hes not # 1!!!!

Can’t see GSP going up a weight. He is muscular and lean as it is. To put on weight, he’d need to increase his muscle, he’s unlikely to add fat, either way it would seriously hinder his stamina and athleticism

Out grappling and submitting Matt Hughes in a dominating fashion is huge. We’ve seen in GSP’s last two fights that he approaches the standing aspect very cautious and avoids multiple punch exchanges in the pocket, and i’ll be very surprised if we see GSP knock anybody out standing up ever again.
From the dominance he displayed over one of the most well conditioned, highly skilled and accomplished fighters, we may see a reign of dominance equivalent to Matt Hughes era in the WW division.

I agree that he may become like a Matt Hughes fighter. His wrestling is so dominant that he may decide to just take people down and soften them up before he subs them. Although his standup is great too, getting caught by Serra may change his strategy for the rest of his career.

GSP winning was no surprise at all. The good thing about the way he won is that it silenced the Hughes fans who said that he did not try to take GSP down in there last fight, and if Hughes got him om the floor then he would be able to submit him. Yeah right!
It was good to see Chuck Liddell back in action, but Wandys only strategy was to stand and trade with him. Jardine never gave Chuck a chance to get into a comfortable striking rhythm because he was hammering him with solid leg kicks and timing his strikes perfectly. Jardine had a perfect plan and strategy and it came off perfectly, Wandy had none. It was a very exciting and entertaining match, bit that does not mean that if Chuck fought Jardine again he would beat him, I don’t think he would. Jardine vs Machida would be a good fight. I was very impressed with Chucks chin and even more so with Wandy he really took a hammering. I still think the Jardine victory over Chuck is better than the Forrest win. Chuck at least looked like he was capable of knocking Jardine out at anytime if he had caught him, Shogun looked like he could have got beaten by Elvis Sinosic.

GSP winning was no surprise at all. The good thing about the way he won is that it silenced the Hughes fans who said that he did not try to take GSP down in there last fight, and if Hughes got him om the floor then he would be able to submit him. Yeah right!
It was good to see Chuck Liddell back in action, but Wandys only strategy was to stand and trade with him. Jardine never gave Chuck a chance to get into a comfortable striking rhythm because he was hammering him with solid leg kicks and timing his strikes perfectly. Jardine had a perfect plan and strategy and it came off perfectly, Wandy had none. It was a very exciting and entertaining match, bit that does not mean that if Chuck fought Jardine again he would beat him, I don’t think he would. Jardine vs Machida would be a good fight. I was very impressed with Chucks chin and even more so with Wandy he really took a hammering. I still think the Jardine victory over Chuck is better than the Forrest win. Chuck at least looked like he was capable of knocking Jardine out at anytime if he had caught him, Shogun looked like he could have got beaten by Elvis Sinosic.

  Agreed with the gsp/hughes comments. I humbly admit I was wrong, hughes did try to get gsp down in vain, and gsp owned him in matt’s own world which surprised me. Gsp almost looked juiced up with his performance (hope he isn’t) and seemed to easily overpower hughes. I really thought this fight would be closer, matt looked terrible for the most part except for his reversal in the second which looked pretty good. I honestly think serra doesn’t have a chance in there next fight and will be the fight almost everyone thought the first one would be. I noticed gsp seems very cautious on the feet and seems to stay away from the pocket which is really serra’s only chance. Without that his chance goes from maybe 10 percent to almost 0 percent. Even though I was wrong last time I feel very confident gsp will destroy serra this time, if he stays his new improved (mentally and physically) self.

Some people just don’t age as well, and i am also wondering if GSP getting a bit stronger, was combined with that fact taht maybe hughes is starting to decline and his huge strength ability over everyone is the first thing to go, I mean he hasnt fought in a while, and his Lytle fight also was VERY mediocre, as far as out muscling goes.

I hope that’s the case, I know Hughes is not big on lifting weights and I’m sure GSP is… it could be as you said Hughes is physically declining, but also in mental toughness since he’s been thinking about retiring… I was and still am however questioning that strength difference GSP wasn’t just a bit stronger, he was alot stronger and certainly was getting stronger as the fight went on… but it could simply be that GSP is in his peaking prime of age and training and Hughes is declining… I hope we never hear anything about a failed drug test from GSP.

Out grappling and submitting Matt Hughes in a dominating fashion is huge. We’ve seen in GSP’s last two fights that he approaches the standing aspect very cautious and avoids multiple punch exchanges in the pocket, and i’ll be very surprised if we see GSP knock anybody out standing up ever again.
From the dominance he displayed over one of the most well conditioned, highly skilled and accomplished fighters, we may see a reign of dominance equivalent to Matt Hughes era in the WW division.

Funny I never see comments like this when Penn dominated Hughes on the ground twice. Don’t get ahead of yourself.

Funny I never see comments like this when Penn dominated Hughes on the ground twice. Don’t get ahead of yourself.

The hughes/penn 2 fight was fight of the night, which means competitive and going back and forth. The gsp/hughes 3 fight was very one sided and humiliating to hughes, it didn’t win fight of the night and was won by the liddel/silva fight and rightly so as it was very competitive. Penn did in fact dominate hughes in both rounds 1 and 2 and probably only lost the, fight because of the rib injury though we’ll never really know and can only speculate. Gsp/hughes 3 was crazy, I’ve never seen anyone own hughes like than nobody has ever out muscles hughes like that before that I’ve ever seen. Penn out skilled him and has ridiculous flexibility which enabled him to get hughes back in the second fight. Gsp owned hughes in ever possible way, like someone mentioned earlier silencing hughes fans who thought hughes would own gsp on the ground.

After GSP takes care of Serra, I want to see GSP against John Fitch.

The hughes/penn 2 fight was fight of the night, which means competitive and going back and forth. The gsp/hughes 3 fight was very one sided and humiliating to hughes, it didn’t win fight of the night and was won by the liddel/silva fight and rightly so as it was very competitive. Penn did in fact dominate hughes in both rounds 1 and 2 and probably only lost the, fight because of the rib injury though we’ll never really know and can only speculate. Gsp/hughes 3 was crazy, I’ve never seen anyone own hughes like than nobody has ever out muscles hughes like that before that I’ve ever seen. Penn out skilled him and has ridiculous flexibility which enabled him to get hughes back in the second fight. Gsp owned hughes in ever possible way, like someone mentioned earlier silencing hughes fans who thought hughes would own gsp on the ground.

Well im not a hughes fan so much but ill admit I totally though hughes would have a SLIGHT advantage on the ground. GSP silenced me no joke about that.
I guess I just didnt notice as much as you, how people were shocked when Penn beat Hugehs.
And as far as your fight of the night arguement. Im not sure it was necessarily because Penn/Hughes was more competitive then GSP/Hughes, I do think GSP did dominate a little more however, Penn and Hughes that night had no competition, what was there Swick/Louaso?(sorry butchered his name). While the GSP and Hughes fight of the night competition was going up against Chuck/Wandi as well, which was impossible to beat, that was an awsome fight.
However, styles makes fights, and my point was simply that decisively beatign Hugehs is nothing taht Penn hasnt done before, weather it wasnt quite as much as GSP or not is more trivial to me, he made Hughes look like he wasnt even at his level, so to claim that GSP is a heavy favorite over Penn, judging by this fight, is not very logical in my mind.
Fact is they are both the best, that’s teh one thing I am sure of, so there paths will cross sometie in the next two years, it has to, i’m so sure of it, that me and my buddy already have a future 100 dollar bet on it haha.

After GSP takes care of Serra, I want to see GSP against John Fitch.

Hell yeah, I hope they get teh WW belt moving along, I wanna see a couple of decisive defenses by GSP, there are still a couple of poeple out there who could POTENTIALLY give GSP a nice fight, Karo would be cool to see, Fitch could be a good fight, although I think his only option would be lay and pray, which after GSP’s fight the other night, that option has gone out the window.

Please, enough witht he Jon Fitch title shot nonsense. he doesn;t deserve it. Yet.

When he beats one of the top five WWs then, like everyone else (leaving Matt Serra’s gift shot out of it), he can get a title shot.

Let’s face it – Fitch is an up and comer but he’s not beaten any top flight opponents other than Sanchez and that was by a split decision. Carneiro, Fiorvanti, Hironaka, Alves, Burkman and Larson. Not exactly title contenders.

Match Fitchie against Karo, Kos, Hughes and Serra (when he loses to GSP).

Would like to see Chuck vs Thiago Silva or possibly Machida, I dont care to see Chuck vs Jardine again, that fight doesnt make sense, if Jardine wins so what? he already beat Chuck it does nothing for him, if Chuck loses, he drope WAY down the ladder again! Jardine should face Shogun, and then the winner of Machida/Liddel or Silva/Liddel should face winner of Jardine/Shogun for next challenger for the belt.

Just wondering why you think Shogun should be in line for a belt as a newcomer who lost to forest griffen? Shouldnt it be forest who should be in line?

I would like to see:
Chuck vs. Shogun (strike fest)
Chuck vs. Machida (would be a great chess match between 2 strikers with the best footwork in mma)
Soko vs. Houston
Jardine vs. Tiago
Wandy vs. Rashad or Hendo (if he looses to Anderson)

I would love to see Chuck get it on with Machida. I would like to see if Chuck takes it to the ground with Machida.