Speer wins by TKO

Speers wins via TKO/bullying/tossing around/octagon control..

so much for the hardy australian george eh!! I fancy danzig due to experience although speer is a farm boy like hughes and is a tough son of a bitch!! good fight tho

Why oh why didn’t Hightower step up and fight Danzig? Now that would have been entertaining.
The one fighter I remember tossing his opponents is Danzig. Speer would need a lucky shot to win.
I have never heard a fighter warned about his fingers in a MMA fight before. Speer gets 3 warnings then pokes george in the eye. And Big John doesn’t even pull him aside and lecture him.
Mac gets told three times not to punch the back of the head. He just gets a disgusted look on his face and keeps punching. I guess rules a are kept pretty loose on TUF.
I’m surprised so much credit is given to Speers strength. I’ve always considered skill over strength to be a foundation of MMA.

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And Big John doesn’t even pull him aside and lecture him.

It was mazzegatti. but whatever

I thought he should of atleest gotten a point taken of but whatever it would not make any difference in the outcome

Please..I hope no more current champs..have to hold up title matches cuz of reality tv.

Mac was clearly trying to hit the sides of the head after being warned the first time. I would’ve been pretty disgusted too.

Thanks for spoiling it! Next time, think of a better headline mmamania!!!

I sure ass hell dont want to fight right after getting gauged in the eye. georges got balls but was a stupid move to jump back in

Disapointing that George got poked in the eye like that. Not sure if that woulda changed the outcome or not but I thought it was pretty aparent that it was effecting him he was squinting and didnt seem like himself after that.

I would of liked to see george in the finals cuz the speer, danzig fight is the typical young, inexperianced athlete(wrestler) vs. the well rounded veteran who dominated KOTC, will george and danzig they r both very well rounded, and could of been a slugfest with great scrambles on the ground

It was really disappointing. Big John was warning Speer about his fingers during the entire fight and he still poked Gorge. I don’t think it was a fair fight. It sucked. You could tell that George could see it well and it was bugging him. What a disappointing match up for the final.

Pretty cool info. Too bad I haven’t watched the second fight yet mmamania.
(westcoast)

My instincts say Mac, but I admit this will be close. I don’t think Mac can submit Tommy (who can?) so he’ll have to win it standing. I’m interested to see how far Tommy’s progressed with the HIT squad. He seems like a guy that could do very well with a good team behind him.

mac and tommy. Tommy takes it this weekend.

True, true, he’s got a lot to learn and he’s got heart so dont be surprised to see him shoot several times and see danzig make him eat a lot of elbows and punchs similar to danzig vs kolosci 1. but tommy is no doubt a better wrestler than kolosci. i just hope they both go for the finish

Why oh why didn’t Hightower step up and fight Danzig? Now that would have been entertaining.
The one fighter I remember tossing his opponents is Danzig. Speer would need a lucky shot to win.
I have never heard a fighter warned about his fingers in a MMA fight before. Speer gets 3 warnings then pokes george in the eye. And Big John doesn’t even pull him aside and lecture him.
Mac gets told three times not to punch the back of the head. He just gets a disgusted look on his face and keeps punching. I guess rules a are kept pretty loose on TUF.
I’m surprised so much credit is given to Speers strength. I’ve always considered skill over strength to be a foundation of MMA.

All good questions, I think some of those fighters are just young and not mature enough to keep their weight down, and some know they are just outclassed and apprehensive that’s why they didn’t take the fight.

Speers is different he has strength and believes he is mentally indestructable just like Matt Hughes…he won’t quit. Speers however has decent hand spped and power in his punches unlike Matt Hughes…. only a an class ‘A’ wrestler can make such good use out of that kind of power and get away with less skill.. Also Speers is only 22yrs old… 5 yrs of Muay Thai and Juijitsu… he’ll be an animal. Maybe a lot like a mini rampage. I sure hope he doesn’t stay in Hughes training camp for long.. he really needs to broaden his skills.. go to Serra’s gym..lol.

i knew it would b tommy vs mac ever since the first round of fights was over!!!!!!

This finale totally reminds me of Hughes/GSP 3 Hughes stronger wrestler type (Tommy Speers) and GSP more well rounded (Mac Danzig) I know Mac has more experience like Hughes but still makes me think of the other upcoming fight.

quit bitching about george getting poked in the eye he had 5 minutes 2 recover but he said he was ready it’s his own fault 4 not taking the time he was givin.

jim
Dec 6th, 2007 at 4:14 am Quote this comment
i knew it would b tommy vs mac ever since the first round of fights was over!!!!!!

u can give a lil bit of that credit to the show editors. they make the show more predictiable than ever. ex. showin the clip of hughes building up tommys right hand, ex. showin serra sayin george is REAl confident for this fight. basically tellin the fans he’s overconfident.

Well with or without the poke in the eye i belive Tommy would won that fight anyhow.
Before the poke in the eye, Tommy was dominate! He pushed Gorge around, i dont belive Gorge would submitted him either and what was going on in the first round…
That knockout would come in play later.

Will be a good finale!

I don’t think they could have 2 less charasmatic fighters in the final. I pity those at the post fight conference.

I for one am setting an alarm for when the bell rings as i will have fallen asleep during the pre fight ‘hype talk’ between the two.

Farm Boy; “I come from a small town yardy yardy yaa”

Mac; “No one is gonna take this away from me…” In the most monotone voice known to man.

zzzzzzz

I’ve had Danzig winning from the beginning but it seemed obvious due to his experience. I think he would’ve been in the ufc eventually anyways.
I’ve seen quite a few of his KOTC fights and have followed him since.
Tommy Speers got the KO he wanted thou awesome.
I’m excited for the finale It should be alot better then the last one.
And overall a good season, alot of future ufc stars, I said it before and still feel the same I think this season will produce as many stars as season 1.
I enjoyed the season and I’m not sorry for those that didn’t because those that didn’t rarely enjoy anything the ufc has to offer.

I dont even see why Danzig was on this show, lol. I mean he had already fought on Pride. KOTC champion, idk.

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I totally agree! I can’t stand Mac. Always talking about how he’s the best in the house, then isn’t sure he likes it when he has to face an opponent he’s already beaten soundly. The true spirit of a champion means you fight anyone and everyone no making excuses before the fight. Now, what do I say about Dana White? In a way I like him. He gathered the investors, bought a crazy sport, and mainstreamed it. If not for him, the UFC would not be anywhere close to what it is today. But to call that kid a wimp (not sure if that’s the exact word) b/c he didn’t fight hurt? If you aren’t 100% confident in your abilities, the cage is a dangerous place to be. Maybe he did give up a golden opportunity, but maybe he avoided very serious injury. So to make a short story long, Dana pissed me off last night.

i knew it would b tommy vs mac ever since the first round of fights was over!!!!!!

Wow and i bet you knew Serra would KO GSP in the 1st too.

It was mazzegatti. but whatever

I thought he should of atleest gotten a point taken of but whatever it would not make any difference in the outcome

Actually it was Big John. I don’t know how you could think it was Mazzagatti. One is a cleanshaven beast of a man, and the other is a small moustached smiley guy.

I am SOOOOOO glad none of Matt Serras Guys made it to the Final fight. I hate loud mouthed NY son of a bitch. I mean i’m from the northeast but he sucks at life. He shouldnt be the welterweight champ since he is def not the best in the world by a long shot. hes going to be a one and done and everyone will forget about his bullshit fight with GSP. I want GSP to beat Hughes just so he can beat the F*ck out of Serra. can anyone tell i hate matt serra. what a fake

Matt Hughese: However, one thing we did find out from Dana later on was that the doctor found nothing wrong with Arroyo’s rib. When Dana told us, he was ticked. So I don’t know were Matt Arroyo came up with the cracked rib thing; but the doctors couldn’t find anything wrong with him.

Before the poke in the eye, Tommy was dominate! He pushed Gorge around

Before the poke he tried many times to grab or hit George and seemed to fail utterly as george slipped away time and time again. I thought he was getting showed up pretty badly actually, as he couldn’t fight his fight at all.

Sure George was on defense but I considered him waiting for an opening, not running. I wouldn’t say he was pushed around at all.

Without the eye poke I think this fight would have still gone the same. George didn’t look the same in this fight. George also had 5 minutes to take if his eye was bothering him, he didn’t even take a minute. I realize that your adrenaline is going and all but if you can’t see, take a break and recover. Tommy started connecting with big shots after that.

I’m pulling for Mac to win the finale simply because he’s more well-rounded and would offer up some better fights

I think mac will take this… Most confident man… Most experienced man… No doubt… 3 rounds… Unanimous is my pick…

Someone will throw a burger @ mac, and he will cry. Or he sees some chick ringside wearing a fur coat.. and cries.
Tommy is really a sloppy fighter, I dont see him taking out Mac unless he got a lot more boxing in after the show.

Actually it was Big John. I don’t know how you could think it was Mazzagatti. One is a cleanshaven beast of a man, and the other is a small moustached smiley guy.

lol moustached smiley guy

There is a some photos on Hughes’s blog on his web site. In one of the phots it looks like Tommy Speer. Right column/second from top, the guy with the black shirt & white stripe on the sleeve. Do you think that is him? If that is him, and he has continued to train with Hughes, Danzig has little chance of beating him than.

This is why Serra should have put Mac and the sheep-molesting hillbilly farmboy against each other in the QF. Now we’re going to have to keep watching his BS lay-n-pray (unless he somehow manages to blind Mac too) and listen to his gosh-golly-gee whiz-aw shucks crap afterward.

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It has been a bit lame… but still some decent fighters to come out of it… Mac / Farm boy / Dan / and my personal favourite Ben!

lol moustached smiley guy

I thought he shaved his Porno Moustache off???

I’ve had Danzig winning from the beginning but it seemed obvious due to his experience. I think he would’ve been in the ufc eventually anyways.
I’ve seen quite a few of his KOTC fights and have followed him since.
Tommy Speers got the KO he wanted thou awesome.
I’m excited for the finale It should be alot better then the last one.
And overall a good season, alot of future ufc stars, I said it before and still feel the same I think this season will produce as many stars as season 1.
I enjoyed the season and I’m not sorry for those that didn’t because those that didn’t rarely enjoy anything the ufc has to offer.

LOL… so true!! so many people seem to talk bad about the UFC these days I can’t work out what their problem is!!

I don’t think that this has been the best season in terms of fights but i have enjoyed every episode since Joey left the house.

This is why Serra should have put Mac and the sheep-molesting hillbilly farmboy against each other in the QF. Now we’re going to have to keep watching his BS lay-n-pray (unless he somehow manages to blind Mac too) and listen to his gosh-golly-gee whiz-aw shucks crap afterward.

Lay-n-pray? Did you not see Tommy knock George out? I don’t know what kind of fights you are looking for, but I thought Tommy’s three fights were the most entertaining fights of the season. Tommy showed a lot of heart in his first two fights. He escaped submissions and stayed busy when he was on top. He didn’t finish war machine or Ben, but he put a beating on them.

More and more wrestlers are getting into MMA. Wrestling and grappling are a part of the game. I get tired of these crowds booing and everyone bitching about how boring the fights are. Watch boxing if you don’t like it. I love watching a great wrestler. I enjoy the technique and the skills of a good grappler. That’s what makes MMA great in my opinion.

Argh, I wish that you had spoil tagged this. MMAMania usually does a good job at keep spoilers hidden for a while before they tell what happened. C’est la vie, I will still watch the final episode on tivo but now I know how it ended.

I’m so glad that Tommy Speer won his fight. He’s such a tough kid. Danzig and Speer were my two favorites and I’m looking forward to the finale. I want to see Speer win. Even though Danzig has a great submission game and won all 3 of his fights on the show with a submission, I don’t see him submitting Speer. He’d have to put him to sleep or break a linmb since Tommy will never tap out. Tommy was bloodied up against war machine and was in a deep rear naked for over a minute and didnt tap, and his next fight he was in a deep arm bar and worked his way out. This is a tough match to call. We didn’t see much of Danzigs stand up, and we saw Tommy win by KO. And seeing that Tommy wont tap, I think he has a great chance of winning!

Argh, I wish that you had spoil tagged this. MMAMania usually does a good job at keep spoilers hidden for a while before they tell what happened. C’est la vie, I will still watch the final episode on tivo but now I know how it ended.

Sorry Jason and all the others. Wasn’t really thinking about spoilers. But I always wonder … if people don’t want to know what happened — and you know we post the latest news — why come to the site before you watched the episode/event? That’s a legitimate question … no sarcasm or anything else involved. I’m curious.

Lay-n-pray? Did you not see Tommy knock George out? I don’t know what kind of fights you are looking for, but I thought Tommy’s three fights were the most entertaining fights of the season. Tommy showed a lot of heart in his first two fights. He escaped submissions and stayed busy when he was on top. He didn’t finish war machine or Ben, but he put a beating on them.

More and more wrestlers are getting into MMA. Wrestling and grappling are a part of the game. I get tired of these crowds booing and everyone bitching about how boring the fights are. Watch boxing if you don’t like it. I love watching a great wrestler. I enjoy the technique and the skills of a good grappler. That’s what makes MMA great in my opinion.

lol moustached smiley guy
I thought he shaved his Porno Moustache off???

He did. TUF is pre-recorded!

Danzig is on the smaller side of 170 (he could most likely compete at 155)

I don’t know about that. I don’t see much body fat on that guy. I think he should eat some steak and gain some more muscle.

Sorry Jason and all the others. Wasn’t really thinking about spoilers. But I always wonder … if people don’t want to know what happened — and you know we post the latest news — why come to the site before you watched the episode/event? That’s a legitimate question … no sarcasm or anything else involved. I’m curious.

Honestly, the reason I come here before watching the episode is just to catch up on the latest news at work. It usually takes me a day or two to watch the episode and I am such a junkie that I want to know if anything new has happened in the past few days. In the past, you guys usually had it all spoiled so I was able to do so. I guess thats why I came to the site before watching the episode.

It truly is a fine line that you guys walk. I understand the reasons behind posting the information, I guess I got lulled into a sense of security from the past. I’ll just make sure I watch the episode before coming here. Thanks for the great info as always.

Danzig takes this one for sure..tommy is not athletic and can’t move in the ring, he can just throw wild rights

i knew it would b tommy vs mac ever since the first round of fights was over!!!!!!

What are the lottery numbers for next week?

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No Doubt! they pulled a bunch of bums off the street for this TUF!

Thorazine: u made some great points about the future of Tommy Spears. I also would have to agree that he should not stay with the HIT Squad. Some Muy tai and ju jitsu will definetly help. For a 22 year old, that guy has a ton of potential!
He needs to get away from Matt Hughes. Serra could have definetly helped out his game a lot!

All good questions, I think some of those fighters are just young and not mature enough to keep their weight down, and some know they are just outclassed and apprehensive that’s why they didn’t take the fight.

Speers is different he has strength and believes he is mentally indestructable just like Matt Hughes…he won’t quit. Speers however has decent hand spped and power in his punches unlike Matt Hughes…. only a an class ‘A’ wrestler can make such good use out of that kind of power and get away with less skill.. Also Speers is only 22yrs old… 5 yrs of Muay Thai and Juijitsu… he’ll be an animal. Maybe a lot like a mini rampage. I sure hope he doesn’t stay in Hughes training camp for long.. he really needs to broaden his skills.. go to Serra’s gym..lol.

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No Doubt! they pulled a bunch of bums off the street for this TUF!

Worst cast of fighters by far. I hear that the next seasons cast will be the best one up to date. Matt Serra is one of the very best coaches to appear on the show. Is it just me or does Matt Hughes suck as a coach? I think he is pretty bad, he ignores to many aspects of mma. All he seems to care about is wrestling, and getting Big, strong guys. He is very a limited and closed minded fighter, and thats why he doesnt stand a chance against GSP come December 29th! If I were a fihgter, the HIT squad, Militich camp, and Team Punishment would be the last camps that I would train with.

Sorry Jason and all the others. Wasn’t really thinking about spoilers. But I always wonder … if people don’t want to know what happened — and you know we post the latest news — why come to the site before you watched the episode/event? That’s a legitimate question … no sarcasm or anything else involved. I’m curious.

People don’t want to come to your site to see what happened Mania, duh. Oh wait. That’s exactly what they are doing..

Put spoiler tags on a news site? Are you serious? If you came to see who won the fights on TUF, why would you complain about seeing who won in the title? Aren’t you going to the article just to see what happened? Furthermore, if you don’t want to see who won, why would you come to the site in the first place?

It’s news, not a novel. If you wanted suspense you should have watched the show in the first place.

Keep up the good work Mania. Best MMA site on the web. I don’t even bother going to any others anymore.

I thought Sotiropoulos would win it all! He got his ass handed to him!

No Doubt! they pulled a bunch of bums off the street for this TUF!

Worst cast of fighters by far. I hear that the next seasons cast will be the best one up to date. Matt Serra is one of the very best coaches to appear on the show. Is it just me or does Matt Hughes suck as a coach? I think he is pretty bad, he ignores to many aspects of mma. All he seems to care about is wrestling, and getting Big, strong guys. He is very a limited and closed minded fighter, and thats why he doesnt stand a chance against GSP come December 29th! If I were a fihgter, the HIT squad, Militich camp, and Team Punishment would be the last camps that I would train with.

If I was going to choose a camp:

XCouture
Juanito’s
ATT
Serra’s
Greg Jackson’s
Black House
Renzo/Cesar Gracie’s
Chute Boxe

Tommy is not athletic? My brother is one of the most athletic, dedicated people in the world. After freezing rain and inches of snow from the night before, he went out in and ran 5 miles, like he did training every morning… Think what you want about his fighting ability but my brother does not take this stuff as a joke, from a young child he was interested in working out and playing sports. He was a main role in his high school team winning state football title. He is very athletic, and even though he may not have the natural born athletic ability – the kid has worked his butt off to become an amazing athlete and an incredible role model.

Tommy is not athletic? My brother is one of the most athletic, dedicated people in the world. After freezing rain and inches of snow from the night before, he went out in and ran 5 miles, like he did training every morning… Think what you want about his fighting ability but my brother does not take this stuff as a joke, from a young child he was interested in working out and playing sports. He was a main role in his high school team winning state football title. He is very athletic, and even though he may not have the natural born athletic ability – the kid has worked his butt off to become an amazing athlete and an incredible role model.

XCouture
Juanito’s
ATT
Serra’s
Greg Jackson’s
Black House
Renzo/Cesar Gracie’s
Chute Boxe

Tell you Bro..to hook up with anyone of these camps..it would open up his arsenal in light years.

I hope Mac and Tommy both knock eachother out cold simultaneously and somehow Hughes gets knocked out with a beer bottle at the same time. 3 smug turds.

Christ, those fights were a letdown. The whole season, really.

John might have been enthusiastic about wanting to fight, but once he got in the ocatgon, he looked like he had no clue what to do. If anything, his second fight with Mac was worse than the first.

The George / Tommy fight was bullshit – George got gouged in the eye hard enough that his eyelid got cut, and his eye started to swell and tear right ayway. Then – surprise, fucking surprise – he eats a couple of big rights when blind in the left eye.
I really don’t think waiting the full five minutes was going to help much. If you actually get hurt by an illegal blow (as opposed to getting stung by an accidental smack in the cup), your options are a) Say you can’t continue and know you’re killing your chances of fighting in the UFC and will get called a pussy and b) Go back at 50% and get your face smashed in, hoping Dana fucking White is impressed by how much you “wanted it”.
Just like Cole Miller / Joe Lauzon last season – except this time, they edited it to minimize the impact it had, Tommy didn’t even have the good grace to acknowlege he fucked up, and White pretended it didn’t happen and spouted off some nonsense about George not looking like himself, instead.

Couple that with the producers telling Serra he couldn’t actually pick the fights he wanted, and the fact that after 6 fucking seasons, they still haven’t come up with a sane system for replacing injured fighters (instead, letting random losers back in as late as the semis) and this whole season is just one big turd.

Christ, those fights were a letdown. The whole season, really.

John might have been enthusiastic about wanting to fight, but once he got in the ocatgon, he looked like he had no clue what to do. If anything, his second fight with Mac was worse than the first.

The George / Tommy fight was bullshit – George got gouged in the eye hard enough that his eyelid got cut, and his eye started to swell and tear right ayway. Then – surprise, fucking surprise – he eats a couple of big rights when blind in the left eye.
I really don’t think waiting the full five minutes was going to help much. If you actually get hurt by an illegal blow (as opposed to getting stung by an accidental smack in the cup), your options are a) Say you can’t continue and know you’re killing your chances of fighting in the UFC and will get called a pussy and b) Go back at 50% and get your face smashed in, hoping Dana fucking White is impressed by how much you “wanted it”.
Just like Cole Miller / Joe Lauzon last season – except this time, they edited it to minimize the impact it had, Tommy didn’t even have the good grace to acknowlege he fucked up, and White pretended it didn’t happen and spouted off some nonsense about George not looking like himself, instead.

Couple that with the producers telling Serra he couldn’t actually pick the fights he wanted, and the fact that after 6 fucking seasons, they still haven’t come up with a sane system for replacing injured fighters (instead, letting random losers back in as late as the semis) and this whole season is just one big turd.

I see what ur sayin.

No Doubt! they pulled a bunch of bums off the street for this TUF!

Worst cast of fighters by far. I hear that the next seasons cast will be the best one up to date. Matt Serra is one of the very best coaches to appear on the show. Is it just me or does Matt Hughes suck as a coach? I think he is pretty bad, he ignores to many aspects of mma. All he seems to care about is wrestling, and getting Big, strong guys. He is very a limited and closed minded fighter, and thats why he doesnt stand a chance against GSP come December 29th! If I were a fihgter, the HIT squad, Militich camp, and Team Punishment would be the last camps that I would train with.

I actually don’t think that this was the worst season to date. I thought that Seasons 1 and 2 were the best by far. And then Seasons 3 and Season 6. I consider seasons 4 The Comeback) and Season 5 to be the worst. No body from season 3 or Season 5 will ever fight for a title in my opinion. Although, the MW division is soooooo weak right now, Herman is probably 1 win against Chris Leben to be #1 contender. And if Kendall didn’t get KO’d by Cote, he would be right at the top of the division.

Mac Danzig will end it by rear naked choke in the first.

Glen Danzig to win by great song Mother.

Tommy is not athletic? My brother is one of the most athletic, dedicated people in the world. After freezing rain and inches of snow from the night before, he went out in and ran 5 miles, like he did training every morning… Think what you want about his fighting ability but my brother does not take this stuff as a joke, from a young child he was interested in working out and playing sports. He was a main role in his high school team winning state football title. He is very athletic, and even though he may not have the natural born athletic ability – the kid has worked his butt off to become an amazing athlete and an incredible role model.

I totally believe you that Tommy is your brother but if you really want to prove it you could give me his e-mail address
;)
outlawzwinger@yahoo.com

I agree that Mac Danzig will end up winning it, but I don’t think he will get it done in the first, if anything if the fight ends in the first, its Danzig getting knocked out by Tommy.

As I say again, Tommy is not at all athletic, probably the least athletic on the entire show. DO you see how he moves in the ring, no footwork at all. Mac will win out of just being more athletic and quick. Tommy just looks like a sloppy fighter throwing wild kicks and punches hoping they land. Not even a match up, Tommy has just been getting lucky, now he will really have a real match up, which WILL NOT go his way.

To tommy’s brother- there is a difference in working hard and being athletic. You can work as hard as you want, and yes it will get you to a certain point. But athleticism plus hard work will get you even farther. Thus, you get mac, which is why he will win this fight. I played football all throughout highschool losing to the state champs by a total of 9 points in three years. Being totally undersized but being quick and athletic kept us in the game. Your brother can work as hard as he wants but mac’s pure quickness and athleticism will make him victorious. Sorry dude.

There is a some photos on Hughes’s blog on his web site. In one of the phots it looks like Tommy Speer. Right column/second from top, the guy with the black shirt & white stripe on the sleeve. Do you think that is him? If that is him, and he has continued to train with Hughes, Danzig has little chance of beating him than.

yeah that is tommy in those pictures, i heard that tommy trained frequently with hughes in the past months. i think that Tommy is goin to punish mac! whats not exciting about tommy getting a takedown and just layin blows on mac. i mean isnt that awesome just seeing a mother fucker getting his ass kicked!!

To tommy’s brother- there is a difference in working hard and being athletic. You can work as hard as you want, and yes it will get you to a certain point. But athleticism plus hard work will get you even farther. Thus, you get mac, which is why he will win this fight. I played football all throughout highschool losing to the state champs by a total of 9 points in three years. Being totally undersized but being quick and athletic kept us in the game. Your brother can work as hard as he wants but mac’s pure quickness and athleticism will make him victorious. Sorry dude.

Wow Uncle Rico, you still cant let high school football go can you? who cares about your high school, the point was about work ethic, not dogging your football for 3 years. The point was about dedication, and tommy has it, Mac is going to be a really tough test yes, but Tommy has a great deal of dedication, and a no quit attitude, for you not to give him that is wrong.

Lets be real, Tommy is not going to handle mac’s quickness, he is probably one of the slowest fighters on this season.

Seera has proven to be a good coach but I have felt from the beginning that Serra gives his guys contrived psuedo confidence before and during the fight. I think it became even more evident when they all started making excuses for not taking the semifinal fight. I also thought that Serra was truly concerened about the Speer’s matchup. You can always tell that Serra is worried about the other fighter when he starts making personal comments like, “look at him, walking around like he’s some big strong farm boy.” I don’t get how that helps a fighter and it obviously did’nt help George.

i cant belive you would say that

Lets be real, Tommy is not going to handle mac’s quickness, he is probably one of the slowest fighters on this season.

As I say again, Tommy is not at all athletic, probably the least athletic on the entire show. DO you see how he moves in the ring, no footwork at all. Mac will win out of just being more athletic and quick. Tommy just looks like a sloppy fighter throwing wild kicks and punches hoping they land. Not even a match up, Tommy has just been getting lucky, now he will really have a real match up, which WILL NOT go his way.

You mean like Serra goy lucky VS GSP?

Lets be real, Tommy is not going to handle mac’s quickness, he is probably one of the slowest fighters on this season.

And i bet you didnt even give him a chance, yea and i bet you were pullin for serra’s boy joey too….. see were that got you, they both are awesome fighters, tommy is going to pull this one off, but i think it will go to decision on this one. One great battle.

NO ITS NOT! Did you see him last fight trying to take him down he was just falling all over the place. Then Finally he landed on which made him win that fight. There is no quickness get the fuck out of here. ZERO ATHLETICISM. NO QUICKNESS. wild kicks and throwing some powerful right hand blows is all tommy has up his sleeve. real quick billyg

I like Mac in this one but not by much. Speers is no a fluke. Some of his early fights (WEC) show tha his his right hand strength is for real.

yes his right hand strength is for real. but that is all he has. He is a one sided fighter where mac is a dynamic threat.

NO ITS NOT! Did you see him last fight trying to take him down he was just falling all over the place. Then Finally he landed on which made him win that fight. There is no quickness get the fuck out of here. ZERO ATHLETICISM. NO QUICKNESS. wild kicks and throwing some powerful right hand blows is all tommy has up his sleeve. real quick billyg

So i guess ZERO ATHLETICISM NO QUICKNESS= gets you into the finals? Tommy is a great fighter, thats how he got there, athleticism, and a no quit dedication. when this is all over i want you to tell me and everyone else you were wrong and your sorry.

Danzig is on the smaller side of 170 (he could most likely compete at 155)

I don’t know about that. I don’t see much body fat on that guy. I think he should eat some steak and gain some more muscle.

Mac said himself..he will drop down to 155. He said fighting hughes and gsp 10 times..he can win a few of those times..but gsp/hughes walk around at 190..mac walks around at 170..personally I would like to see Mac vs KenFlo and Nate Diaz.

OK guys, first of all you can never underestimate the pure toughness of a farm kid, especially a guy who dairy farms in MN. Trust me I know, that’s what my family does for a living. That takes True Grit. I know it takes more than being tough to win but it’s a big factor. Also, Tommy has the speed where it counts. Plus, Tommy won’t quit no matter what so Mac is gonna have to pull something big out of his sleeve. Mac knows it’s gonna take something big and trying to make things happen like that causes people to make mistakes. I know both guys really want this but I think Tommy wants it more, and it might come down to who wants it more.
And sleepyhead24, I really do want his email address!

Disapointing that George got poked in the eye like that. Not sure if that woulda changed the outcome or not but I thought it was pretty aparent that it was effecting him he was squinting and didnt seem like himself after that.

George was totally overrated, he had a hard time against hightower until the fight went down, And I think Speer is to much for Danzig, he should beat him easily, this season sucked

WOAH alright dairy farmers.. there something called ONE AGAIN..ATHLETICISM, or do you not learn about that in your farmer lifestlye. sorry but uh i think this one may be a little out of a farmer’s reach..sorry girl.

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OK guys, first of all you can never underestimate the pure toughness of a farm kid, especially a guy who dairy farms in MN. Trust me I know, that’s what my family does for a living. That takes True Grit. I know it takes more than being tough to win but it’s a big factor. Also, Tommy has the speed where it counts. Plus, Tommy won’t quit no matter what so Mac is gonna have to pull something big out of his sleeve. Mac knows it’s gonna take something big and trying to make things happen like that causes people to make mistakes. I know both guys really want this but I think Tommy wants it more, and it might come down to who wants it more.
And sleepyhead24, I really do want his email address!

I feel the advantage in experience is why Mac won’t make to many mistakes..Tommy is raw talented..has the strength and size to pressure Mac..but Mac has way too many tools in his tool box..Mac knows he has to put himself in a postion to finish Tommy..I think either rear naked or triangle choke and tommy doesn’t tap..so he’ll take nap. I don’t think we’ll see Tommy vs George in this fight..I say 2nd round by a choke submission. Mac…plus the ultimate fighter finale should be 5 rounds.

Mac said himself..he will drop down to 155. He said fighting hughes and gsp 10 times..he can win a few of those times..but gsp/hughes walk around at 190..mac walks around at 170..personally I would like to see Mac vs KenFlo and Nate Diaz.

mac is a 155 fighter

I am SOOOOOO glad none of Matt Serras Guys made it to the Final fight. I hate loud mouthed NY son of a bitch. I mean i’m from the northeast but he sucks at life. He shouldnt be the welterweight champ since he is def not the best in the world by a long shot. hes going to be a one and done and everyone will forget about his bullshit fight with GSP. I want GSP to beat Hughes just so he can beat the F*ck out of Serra. can anyone tell i hate matt serra. what a fake

I want Seera to beat Gsp again that would be f**cking hilarious, Seera’s a good guy he deserves that belt, i think he will prove to be a real champ.

how can you say tommy doesnt have any athelticism, you have to be a pretty damn good athlete to make it to the finals of the ufc finale. ill say he could of had better competition and better fights but sayin no athleticism thats just stupid!are you also forgetting the fact that tommy was a college wrestler.

Tommy is not athletic? My brother is one of the most athletic, dedicated people in the world. After freezing rain and inches of snow from the night before, he went out in and ran 5 miles, like he did training every morning… Think what you want about his fighting ability but my brother does not take this stuff as a joke, from a young child he was interested in working out and playing sports. He was a main role in his high school team winning state football title. He is very athletic, and even though he may not have the natural born athletic ability – the kid has worked his butt off to become an amazing athlete and an incredible role model.

Come off it, as if your Tommy’s bro. According to him you should be milking cows and drinking beer…

As I say again, Tommy is not at all athletic, probably the least athletic on the entire show. DO you see how he moves in the ring, no footwork at all. Mac will win out of just being more athletic and quick. Tommy just looks like a sloppy fighter throwing wild kicks and punches hoping they land. Not even a match up, Tommy has just been getting lucky, now he will really have a real match up, which WILL NOT go his way.

There is a HUGE difference between being an inexperienced, young cagefighter and not being athletic. I think you might be off the mark my friend.

OK guys, first of all you can never underestimate the pure toughness of a farm kid, especially a guy who dairy farms in MN. Trust me I know, that’s what my family does for a living. That takes True Grit. I know it takes more than being tough to win but it’s a big factor. Also, Tommy has the speed where it counts. Plus, Tommy won’t quit no matter what so Mac is gonna have to pull something big out of his sleeve. Mac knows it’s gonna take something big and trying to make things happen like that causes people to make mistakes. I know both guys really want this but I think Tommy wants it more, and it might come down to who wants it more.
And sleepyhead24, I really do want his email address!

Hey cowgirl, will my address do for ya?

Mac is gonna have to pull something big out of his sleeve. Mac knows it’s gonna take something big and trying to make things happen like that causes people to make mistakes. I know both guys really want this but I think Tommy wants it more, and it might come down to who wants it more.

I don’t think that Mac needs to “pull something big out of his sleeve” to win the fight or make a mistake trying to make something big happen. He doesn’t have to. He has technique and a fully loaded aresenal of moves and ways to finish the fight. However, Tommy just has two ways of winning – GnP or Decision. Even if Mac needs to “pull something big out of his sleeve” late in the fight and makes a mistake, I don’t even see Tommy capitalizing. I don’t believe he has enough BJJ or stand-up experience to notice those TINY little mistakes that can lead to a quick KO or submission. Mac on the other hand can capitolize off of any small mistake Tommy makes. When it comes down to who wants it more, of course they both want it bad, but the fact of the matter is that Mac has wanted this for a lot longer time than Tommy, which would make him more hungary.

Just looked at UFC.com and Tommy’s nickname is offically ‘Farm Boy’!!! WTF, sounds like a rubbish superhero.

Can’t wait for the ring announcement.

WOAH alright dairy farmers.. there something called ONE AGAIN..ATHLETICISM, or do you not learn about that in your farmer lifestlye. sorry but uh i think this one may be a little out of a farmer’s reach..sorry girl.

Athleticism, Athleticism, Athleticism, thats the ticket. I mean did you see how slow Tommy was moving when he was beating the crap out of everyone he went up against he clearly needs more athletcism. What kind of an athlete moves that slow, when he’s pounding the hell out of his opponents. We need a true athlete in the finals, like War Machine, Saunders, or George.

Mac said himself..he will drop down to 155. He said fighting hughes and gsp 10 times..he can win a few of those times..but gsp/hughes walk around at 190..mac walks around at 170..personally I would like to see Mac vs KenFlo and Nate Diaz.

Shows what I know. I never thought about him fighting Nate. Now that would be a hell of a fight. At the end of the fight we can find out which guy has the best monotone mumble.

Also it seems like the biggest disagreement here is over what the word athleticism means. To me its a fighter with high energy at the start of a fight all the way to the end. The word frankly does not come to mind when I see Speer fight. Watch the Guida Vs. Huerta fight and I think we will all be clear on what athleticism means.

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It will be a boring fight ending in Mac winning by decision. Mac must know going into this that his best bet is to keep it low key and win an easy decision. Here’s how it’ll go down:

Fight starts standing and Mac avoids the ‘magical spears right’. He out scores Tommy with jabs, but won’t even come close to KO’ing him. Mac will avoid the clinch where Tommy’s wrestling will shine and instead go for quick takedowns and then not do much while on top. The ref will stand them up and then repeat from the beginning until the crowd boo’s as Mac’s hand is raised.

How’s that for a specific prediction?

Who ever win, this will be a good fight and test for both these guys and as i wrote earlier I belive Tommy will win this fight. I belive tommy has trained his ass of with Matt hughes the last 5-6 months. I also belive with Matt Hughes experiance of fighting opponents with diffrent style have helped him alot.

Tommy may be an underdog but I belive he can take this fight! As he said in his interview pre-fight: "I trained on my submission defence and brushing up my stand up, so i know more and more what to do here and there. With a good gameplan I think he is ready to win this fight.