He should be stripped…….. CHEATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The question is will he get stripped of his title?

Later Sherk. I hate this guy. Tell him on his time off to fix the gap inbetween his two front teeth. The dude could floss with rope. Down with dope…. Up with Hope! lol.

He should be stripped. I think test positive, stripped of title got together. He should fight the champion aka winner of Penn or Stevenson for the belt back.

I think he should be stripped. I’m not even sure if I think he should get an immediate title shot either…

I think he should be stripped. I’m not even sure if I think he should get an immediate title shot either…

I agree, and he should not get an immediate shot at the belt.

Thank you.

Get rid of him and lets move on.

BJ vs. Stevenson = title fight PLEASE… Both of these guys would make great champions.

i agree with joey… he needs to work his way back up to the belt

Yea All the BJ PENN fans want him gone beacuse they know he’s just too strong for Penn.
Sherk Is the man And I hope he gets too keep the title.

I agree, and he should not get an immediate shot at the belt.

Yeah, this is not a “not guilty” finding so therefor the commission has found him guitly so does this force Dana to strip him of the title now? I personally don’t think he was taking steroids in the stereotypical manner that one thinks about but if we are playing on a level playing field – if you’re found positive – you’re found positive and that’s it so you have to do whatever it takes to not be found positive.

Wow, we have some serious hating going on here. Remember he is not the first to ever test positive and his levels were far below most users. I am not a huge fan and beleive that BJ is the best 155 fighter in the world, but Sherk is a very good fighter and deserves a chance at his belt no matter who wins the daddy and BJ fight. Sherk is a heck of a wrestler and can take a huge shot as shown in his last fight in the knees that he took to his head. You might not like him but you have to respect him as a fighter. In the Florian fight he was cut to all heck and still dominated florian like a rag doll. His only losses are to Hughes and St. Pierre, not bad if you ask me.

Yea All the BJ PENN fans want him gone beacuse they know he’s just too strong for Penn.
Sherk Is the man And I hope he gets too keep the title.

Hmm… I wonder why Sherk is so strong??? Oh I’ve figured it out – ROIDS!

i dont know whether to feel sorry for him or to despise him

other guys who have done it and been caught and admitted it still get slated by the fans

its a strange situation as people including medical professionals really dont seem to understand what he had in his system

i cant see how having double the amount they say can occur naturally automatically makes you guilty

will be very interesting to see his levels after the next drug tests

He is found guilty.

They reduced his suspension to 6 months.

He is no longer the LW ufc Champ..he was found guilty of breaking the rules. I wonder how Dana will bend this one?

BJ Penn vs Joe Stevenson is a LW title match. Sean the Roided shark sherk is out of the equation.

This took almost as long as it takes sherk to finish someone..I’m glad this chapter is done with.

The CSAC really needs to get it’s proverbial sh*t together. The man had supplements tainted with pro-hormones, that’s a fact. He also passed a lie detector test. He’s also never tested positive for anything in his life despite having a record of 32-2 and looking like a cartoon character. They’re trying to save face, IMO.

CASC = Problem

If they were so sure he tested possitive then why did the CSAC HOLD THIS UP. Not Sherk. Why could they not tell us this 6 MONTHS AGO? Im not a “Sherk nutthugger” but I a fan of Sherks and think this is BS. This whole situation (in my opinion) makes teh CASC look worse then Sherk based simply on how they handled this. Taking all this time to “consider” that they may be wrong. I dont know there processes or procedures and how most appeals work but it looks bad to the public. I hope he keeps the title and BJ Penn retires cause hes gay. Or he sucks it up and fights him and gets beat down. Either way im glad its finally over.

so long roid shark, should have stuck with the organic shit he eats

Yea All the BJ PENN fans want him gone beacuse they know he’s just too strong for Penn.
Sherk Is the man And I hope he gets too keep the title.

Umm, Hughes and GSP are stronger than Sherk, and BJ can hang with those guys. There’s no reason why BJ will be overwhelmed by Sherk’s strength.

Justice has been served !!! The nanograms in his system were so freaking minor it’s ridiculous that this was ever a serious discussion. He is suspended for 6 months of which he already has been serving his time since July.

Seasn Sherk will be back in the octagon by March to fight the winner of the Penn / Stevenson fight. There is a zero chance in hell that Dana strips the belt from Sherk and rightly so.

This is great news.

STRIP HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yea good one.
Look what happened.
He lost those fights.
SHERK ALL THE WAY

Its politics, the lie detector test, and evidence that athletes can get false positives for that particular steroid. A not guilty ruling would be admitting that their testing is flawed. Can they prove that Sherk knowingly took the substance. I don’t see how they can knowing that there are so many false positives. Its obvious to me that they are ignoring that evidence because it makes them look stupid.

I don’t see how Sherk, a guy who wont walk through a casino because he’s afraid of the smoke, would knowingly take something so bad for his health.

Politics, thats all it is. I wonder if Sherk will take this to court, because the CSAC board is not exactly impartial in the matter, only a jury would be able to scrutinize this evidence impartially.

This took almost as long as it takes sherk to finish someone..I’m glad this chapter is done with.

LMAO!! I also like the reply of the comment to the Sherk supporter. ROIDS!!!

There’s a reason polygraph (lie detectors to laypersons) are not admissible in ANY American court of law. Sherk failed his post fight drug test, failed with his B sample and had his suspension upheld by the CSAC, even after numerous delays brought on by Sherk and his lawyers. What more do you people need to see to believe that Sherk is a dirty cheater and a tainted champion? He has no business ever getting a whiff of the championship belt again.

Its politics, the lie detector test, and evidence that athletes can get false positives for that particular steroid. A not guilty ruling would be admitting that their testing is flawed. Can they prove that Sherk knowingly took the substance. I don’t see how they can knowing that there are so many false positives. Its obvious to me that they are ignoring that evidence because it makes them look stupid.

I don’t see how Sherk, a guy who wont walk through a casino because he’s afraid of the smoke, would knowingly take something so bad for his health.

Politics, thats all it is. I wonder if Sherk will take this to court, because the CSAC board is not exactly impartial in the matter, only a jury would be able to scrutinize this evidence impartially.

Good Point, agreed. Does anyone know why they shortened his supension for sure? I have a feeling you are right “ragnarr” but we will never know for sure. Although if Sherk does take this to court maybe some light will be shed on the subject.

Its politics, the lie detector test, and evidence that athletes can get false positives for that particular steroid. A not guilty ruling would be admitting that their testing is flawed. Can they prove that Sherk knowingly took the substance. I don’t see how they can knowing that there are so many false positives. Its obvious to me that they are ignoring that evidence because it makes them look stupid.

I don’t see how Sherk, a guy who wont walk through a casino because he’s afraid of the smoke, would knowingly take something so bad for his health.

Politics, thats all it is. I wonder if Sherk will take this to court, because the CSAC board is not exactly impartial in the matter, only a jury would be able to scrutinize this evidence impartially.

  Well said I totally agree.

They don’t have to prove that he knowingly took anything, just that he took it, which they did. If you listen to any athlete busted for roids, they all have the same tired tainted supplement/protein shake/arthritis balm and flaxseed oil excuse handy. I think Hermes Franca was the first athlete in the history of failed drug tests to admit to it after he was caught. It’s part of the Dopers’ Code: Lie, lie, lie then deny, deny, deny, and when all else fails, cry, cry, cry.

i will still root for sherk…hes one of my favorites..he passed the lie detector saying he unknowingly took roids, even if he has taken them in the past, i think he was telling the truth with this…either way, i think when hes back he will get the belt back…he can outwork anyone in the lightweight division, including bj

Yea good one.
Look what happened.
He lost those fights.
SHERK ALL THE WAY

Difference is BJ is at those guys’ level. He split the two matches with Hughes (he was leading in the second one before he broke a rib and Matt put him in the crucifix), and he won on one judge’s scorecards against GSP, and has been the only fighter to bloody him up. Sherk got tooled by both Hughes and GSP.

I don’t see how Sherk, a guy who wont walk through a casino because he’s afraid of the smoke, would knowingly take something so bad for his health.

Easy, because smoke doesn’t enhance your performance, and steroids do. He does what’s good for his body in the short term. Steroids are bad for you in the long run.

I think Sherk got the long shaft and should not be stripped of the title. For some reason, I give him the benefit of the doubt. I’m not even a fan of his. I just smell conspiracy written in watermark all over this. The truth will never come to light. All I know is that various Athletic Commission members have years of ties to veteran Boxing promoters. The CIA could study some of the tricks used in Boxing promotion over the last 75 years. Boxing has been in counter punch mode to MMA’s success all year long.

Why did this guy even appeal his use of steroids! He should of just manned up and admit it. He does not deserve that belt! he should be stripped and should work up the ladder with out steroids in his system. That would be the right move

if they dont strip him of the belt its like telling all the other fighters to take steriods… and if they get caught all they have to do is appeal and prolong the situation long enough to annoy Dana and thats it..

lie detector tests are no where near 98% accurate..

Easy, because smoke doesn’t enhance your performance, and steroids do. He does what’s good for his body in the short term. Steroids are bad for you in the long run.

Um, but smoke wont hurt you in the short term, only in the long term, thats what he doesn’t want to breath it in. Steroids can have bad effects in the short term AND long term, steroid literally affect every system in your body, the only other drug I can think of that does that is alcohol.

Here’s where I have a problem though, it looks bad on the CSAC to find Sherk “not guilty”, it basically makes them look like idiots. I believe it is a political decision to find him guilty, it was not based on the evidence at all, they just wanted to be right so they don’t look incompetent. If they really thought he was guilty, they would have upheld the whole sentence and not reduced it, the CSAC is not impartial, so they shouldn’t be the ones making the decision. This is somebody’s life we are talking about, there should be an impartial third party that evaluates evidence from both sides and makes a ruling. Thats why we have courts, and juries. Sherk did not get a fair trial here.

Look at Baroni for example, he was found guilty even after several lab re-tested THE EXACT SAME sample that originally tested positive by the CSAC’s Lab. The new tests came back negative, the same lab that originally tested for the CSAC tested it again and it came back negative. They still found him guilty. These decisions are definitely political in nature, because they are ignoring evidence that may contradict the CSAC in any way.

regardless of whether or not he challenges, the next title shot goes to florian hopefully.

Sucks the steroids is gonna be a controversy now that Sherk semi got away with it.
But this is good, Penn is ma boi and all, but I don’t wanna see him win the belt any way except by beating the real champ.
And boring or not, Sherk has proved to be the best in LW so far.
Penn is gonna kill him though.

Um, but smoke wont hurt you in the short term, only in the long term, thats what he doesn’t want to breath it in. Steroids can have bad effects in the short term AND long term, steroid literally affect every system in your body, the only other drug I can think of that does that is alcohol.

Here’s where I have a problem though, it looks bad on the CSAC to find Sherk “not guilty”, it basically makes them look like idiots. I believe it is a political decision to find him guilty, it was not based on the evidence at all, they just wanted to be right so they don’t look incompetent. If they really thought he was guilty, they would have upheld the whole sentence and not reduced it, the CSAC is not impartial, so they shouldn’t be the ones making the decision. This is somebody’s life we are talking about, there should be an impartial third party that evaluates evidence from both sides and makes a ruling. Thats why we have courts, and juries. Sherk did not get a fair trial here.

Look at Baroni for example, he was found guilty even after several lab re-tested THE EXACT SAME sample that originally tested positive by the CSAC’s Lab. The new tests came back negative, the same lab that originally tested for the CSAC tested it again and it came back negative. They still found him guilty. These decisions are definitely political in nature, because they are ignoring evidence that may contradict the CSAC in any way.

If my CSI/Foresnic Files is correct I don’t think a tested sample can be retested for an accurate result. I may be wrong but I remember seeing on CourtTv something along those lines.

Difference is BJ is at those guys’ level. He split the two matches with Hughes (he was leading in the second one before he broke a rib and Matt put him in the crucifix), and he won on one judge’s scorecards against GSP, and has been the only fighter to bloody him up. Sherk got tooled by both Hughes and GSP

Agreed… BJ is a grinder and can throw with the best of them..

Cheaters need to be stripped otherwise it just encourages others to juice as well.

If my CSI/Foresnic Files is correct I don’t think a tested sample can be retested for an accurate result. I may be wrong but I remember seeing on CourtTv something along those lines.

I think when they test a sample they only take a small portion of it for the test, several portions can be taken from the same sample, and they all should have the same results unless the test is flawed.

I don’t think they would take the whole sample and test it, they only need a drop or two.

I would agree that the same tested portion could not be tested again, but a sample can and should be tested several times to ensure accuracy.

Difference is BJ is at those guys’ level. He split the two matches with Hughes (he was leading in the second one before he broke a rib and Matt put him in the crucifix), and he won on one judge’s scorecards against GSP, and has been the only fighter to bloody him up. Sherk got tooled by both Hughes and GSP.

I agree. I am a huge GSP fan, but in my oppinion BJ Penn won that fight. I watched that fight many times and I still think BJ deserved to win. Either way, BJ Penn as delt with better wrestlers than sherk (hughes, GSP who both beat and out wrestled sherk). I dont see Sean Sherk or Joe stevenson beating a well conditioned, healthy BJ Penn.

With a 6 month suspension, he should NOT BE ALLOWED to fight in January. That is way to soon. For every single SPORT, such as football, a player will get busted for steroids, and then they will appeal (especially when a big game is coming up sooner rather than later). During the ‘appeal’ process, the athlete is allowed to compete, until the hearing. Once the hearing comes and the suspension length is determined, it is served from that date forward. I KNOW it works like this in the NFL. HOW do you serve a punishment before knowing what the punishment is?

So with all of Sherk’s dumb appeals, its as if he wasn’t even suspended. He goes 8-12 months between fights to begin with. So what would have happened if he appealed again, and got another court date of Febuary 1st. Then if the outcome was the same, a 6 month suspension, what would the CSAC say to him??? “You used steroids and you are suspended for 6 months, but you can begin fighting tomorrow.”

Strip Strip! Strip! Strip!

No stripped belt..Total Bull Shit.

I agree. I am a huge GSP fan, but in my oppinion BJ Penn won that fight. I watched that fight many times and I still think BJ deserved to win. Either way, BJ Penn as delt with better wrestlers than sherk (hughes, GSP who both beat and out wrestled sherk). I dont see Sean Sherk or Joe stevenson beating a well conditioned, healthy BJ Penn.

EXACTLY. God im so happy this sets up a Penn/Sherk showdown. Penn will earn respect and prove more to all teh doubters when he beats sherk.

I would like to say the following to all those who believe that Sherk is still innocent even after two positive tests and a failed appeal: JFK was murdered by aliens released from Area at 51 at Elvis’ request; 9/11 was carried out by extreme right wing radicals from Montana; and George W. Bush is the current head of the Illuminati, dedicated to wiping out Catholicism worldwide.

CHEATER CHEATER STEROID EATER

Whether he gets stipped of his title of not, the same senario holds to happen. Sherk will fight the BJ/Stevenson winner in spring/summer ‘08 for the title. So mid-’08 he will be fight to win the title back or keep it. I think Dana will strip it though.

Yea All the BJ PENN fans want him gone beacuse they know he’s just too strong for Penn.
Sherk Is the man And I hope he gets too keep the title.

You know what… after all this.. i would love for BJ Penn to win the title after dismantling Joe (although I like Joe, he is dead meat)… and then get to face Sherk… just to throw it in the Sherk supporter’s face… BJ Penn would/will dominate that kid.. and then I belive he will train harder than he ever has and step back up into the 170lbs class and takes both belts… i feel he knows this is his last couple years and he came on with a bang and has fizzled out over the past couple years… we all know what he is capable of… i think we are finally going to see it over the next couple years… so Sherk Apologists… I can’t wait to hear your excuses when Sherk looks BJ in the eye and taps

This took almost as long as it takes sherk to finish someone..I’m glad this chapter is done with.

That’s funny!!

This thing really did take WAY TOO LONG!!

Take his belt and suspend him from the UFC for an additional 6 months. Then, as terms of his re-instatement, he has to test AT LEAST 1/month for his entire duration in the UFC. I think that regular testing for all fighters found to be using steroids (Bonnar, Silvia etc) should have to do regular testing as part of their contract to stay in the UFC.

JFK was murdered by aliens released from Area at 51 at Elvis’ request; 9/11 was carried out by extreme right wing radicals from Montana; and George W. Bush is the current head of the Illuminati, dedicated to wiping out Catholicism worldwide.

I agree.

Later Sherk. I hate this guy. Tell him on his time off to fix the gap inbetween his two front teeth. The dude could floss with rope. Down with dope…. Up with Hope! lol.

He needs to talk to Sampson

I think Sherk got the long shaft and should not be stripped of the title. For some reason, I give him the benefit of the doubt. I’m not even a fan of his. I just smell conspiracy written in watermark all over this. The truth will never come to light. All I know is that various Athletic Commission members have years of ties to veteran Boxing promoters. The CIA could study some of the tricks used in Boxing promotion over the last 75 years. Boxing has been in counter punch mode to MMA’s success all year long.

interesting…

i will still root for sherk…hes one of my favorites..he passed the lie detector saying he unknowingly took roids, even if he has taken them in the past, i think he was telling the truth with this…either way, i think when hes back he will get the belt back…he can outwork anyone in the lightweight division, including bj

outwork, but not out FIGHT

I think when they test a sample they only take a small portion of it for the test, several portions can be taken from the same sample, and they all should have the same results unless the test is flawed.

I don’t think they would take the whole sample and test it, they only need a drop or two.

I would agree that the same tested portion could not be tested again, but a sample can and should be tested several times to ensure accuracy.

thx for the clarifcation.

I agree.

Loose Change 2nd editon.

Yea All the BJ PENN fans want him gone beacuse they know he’s just too strong for Penn.
Sherk Is the man And I hope he gets too keep the title.

BJ he has fought and beaten bigger stronger guys than sherk.

Wasn’t there an article posted on one of these MMA sites refuting dana white’s claim that most of us have 2-3 nanograms of this stuff in our system normally? I think the actual number was tenths of a nanogram. Either way, I can’t stand this guy and I wouldn’t rule out the possibility of a masking agent that didn’t do a complete job.

No one knows for sure except sherk and maybe those he trains with. No big loss, I always thought he was a rather boring fighter.

I don’t necessarily believe in these positive results anyway, but: baroni denies= reduced suspension
     sherk denies= reduced suspension
     franca mans up and admits= full 1yr suspension
-It’s pretty sad how this whole thing works.
Sherk should take legal action, and others should also. Because if the CSAC gets a positive test, true or not, false positive or not, they view it as positive period. No argument. You can attend their hearings, but they aren’t going to accept fault in their testing system. The first time they do that, their strength as a governing body is weakened. The CSAC needs to be watched and held accountable by another governing body higher up. Especially viewing how they handled this case, they obviously don’t have it together. What’s bad is they pretend they do.

Leaving work now, but my comment above wasn’t posted right away due to moderation. Does anyone have any answers/feedback?

I posted it at 4:22. If I quoted, it would have got hung up again.

lie detector tests are no where near 98% accurate..

 90% pretty close to 98%

Not guilty…period…screw the athletic commision they dont even have fair triles

took long enough strip him let bj and joe fight then let sherk fight one of them and get his title back

With a 6 month suspension, he should NOT BE ALLOWED to fight in January. That is way to soon. For every single SPORT, such as football, a player will get busted for steroids, and then they will appeal (especially when a big game is coming up sooner rather than later). During the ‘appeal’ process, the athlete is allowed to compete, until the hearing. Once the hearing comes and the suspension length is determined, it is served from that date forward. I KNOW it works like this in the NFL. HOW do you serve a punishment before knowing what the punishment is?

So with all of Sherk’s dumb appeals, its as if he wasn’t even suspended. He goes 8-12 months between fights to begin with. So what would have happened if he appealed again, and got another court date of Febuary 1st. Then if the outcome was the same, a 6 month suspension, what would the CSAC say to him??? “You used steroids and you are suspended for 6 months, but you can begin fighting tomorrow.”

From everything I heard, Sherk was not allowed to fight while he was appealing. Sherk had a interview after his last hearing saying something to that effect. It was the same with Baroni.

With a 6 month suspension, he should NOT BE ALLOWED to fight in January. That is way to soon. For every single SPORT, such as football, a player will get busted for steroids, and then they will appeal (especially when a big game is coming up sooner rather than later). During the ‘appeal’ process, the athlete is allowed to compete, until the hearing. Once the hearing comes and the suspension length is determined, it is served from that date forward. I KNOW it works like this in the NFL. HOW do you serve a punishment before knowing what the punishment is?

So with all of Sherk’s dumb appeals, its as if he wasn’t even suspended. He goes 8-12 months between fights to begin with. So what would have happened if he appealed again, and got another court date of Febuary 1st. Then if the outcome was the same, a 6 month suspension, what would the CSAC say to him??? “You used steroids and you are suspended for 6 months, but you can begin fighting tomorrow.”

It’s considered time already served.

But didn’t state, THat Shrek will lose hie title if he’s found guilty..He’s obviously guilty, because the suspension is still up-held!

Dana’s last comment on the situation was that he would not strip Sherk, no matter what the decision was because he was fed up with the commission. Translation, " I will not strip Shaun of the title because he is my friend, now I have a crap excuse. Besides, BJ is gonna destroy him eventually anyway."

There is nothing else to do but to take his title away. There should be a two year ban for getting busted with steroids. Thats what is done here in Europe in every other sport. I´ve read some about steroids and the thing i think happened was that the calculated wrong. When you take the roids you can set dates for when you are “clean” again after using them. And him being att 12 ng/mL att the day of the fight is probably just a few days from being “clean”.

He is a cheater and he should go look for another job.

Sherk needs to call a press conference and tell everyone what his lawyer’s arguments to the CSAC were (e.g. supplements as hormonal precursors). He should then voluntarily give up his belt. Dana will still let him fight the winner of Penn/Stevenson.

IMO…
Sherk is innocent of knowingly taking steroids, however…
The UFC MUST strip Sherk of the LW title.

Sherk tested positive for elevated levels of Nandrolone, a naturally occurring steroid. His low level test is indicative of a juicer that “missed” his cycle by a few weeks. If you are unsure what this implies then you should educate yourself on steroid use and practices before making judgments about suspensions. However, the commissions state, as do Olympic and NCAA governing body documents, that no athlete may have a banned substance or elevated levels of a naturally occurring substance in their body. This says nothing of delivery or intent, therefore Sherk is guilty of testing positive for elevated levels of Nandrolone, an anabolic steroid.

It is political, I know, but the UFC must abide by the testing results by the commissions, even the CSAC…for now. In addition, the UFC should enforce a new mandatory policy of pre-event testing via blood and urine samples by an independent lab (independent of the commission). The commissions would then be forced to examine independent evidence (of which there is never any present at any commission hearing) and recognize their testing practices are flawed.

Look at the Phil Baroni testing debacle, testing positive for Stanozolol and Boldenone (not Nandrolone). To anyone who knows anything, Baroni is a juicer using equestrian anabolic steroids and stacking with oral anabolics (Stanozolol). After all, he like Sherk, looks like a juicer. Yet, Quest Diagnostic, the lab that handles testing for California and Nevada, sent Baroni’s original urine samples to another lab, Carlson in Colorado Springs, and voila, the urine tested negative for both Boldenone and Stanozolol. So why did the CSAC only reduce Baroni’s suspension to 6 months and not overturn their guilty verdict? Because the Carlson lab said there was not enough urine to do an accurate DNA test, therefore they could not prove that the samples sent to them by Quest Diagnostic were indeed Phil Baroni’s urine. Later, the CSAC dismissed the whole matter stating that Baroni’s lawyer requested the second test (um, who else would have requested it?) and picked a testing facility, Carlson, (picked because they do both steroid and DNA testing) that is not an approved facility (approved by the CSAC). One CSAC official stated that he believed the second test was done with urine that was not Baroni’s and that the samples had been switched.

It is obvious that the commissions have problems in regards to testing. They hold all the evidence, collect insufficient amounts for any additional testing and then just shorten suspensions when evidence is refuted. It is time for the UFC and other organizations to hold the commissions to a new level and provide additional testing samples with chain of custody.

In addition, California has a 2-time loser rule that would result in a lifetime license revocation ban for Baroni or Sherk should they fail another CSAC test (for steroids).
That is very serious. Forget the Area 51 Elvis aliens, this is a bureaucratic cover-up conspiracy at its best.

Sucks the steroids is gonna be a controversy now that Sherk semi got away with it.
But this is good, Penn is ma boi and all, but I don’t wanna see him win the belt any way except by beating the real champ.
And boring or not, Sherk has proved to be the best in LW so far.
Penn is gonna kill him though.

I totally agree. I read your post on the “GSP’s UFC’suick quote” and you’ve said that your the original BJ PENN supporter. I’ll give you that one but i’m right up there with you.

It’s considered time already served.

But why was the Belt put on hold for so long? I know you can’t read Dana White’s mind, but I don’t see the reasoning for that when there is so much talent in the Lightrweight division.

Yeah, this is not a “not guilty” finding so therefor the commission has found him guitly so does this force Dana to strip him of the title now? I personally don’t think he was taking steroids in the stereotypical manner that one thinks about but if we are playing on a level playing field – if you’re found positive – you’re found positive and that’s it so you have to do whatever it takes to not be found positive.

well said..
I couldn’t agree more.

Yea All the BJ PENN fans want him gone beacuse they know he’s just too strong for Penn.
Sherk Is the man And I hope he gets too keep the title.

If Matt Hughes wasn’t too strong, what makes you think that Sherk is?

If Matt Hughes wasn’t too strong, what makes you think that Sherk is?

Also, I doubt he will be as strong once he changes his doping habits.

If they strip him or not, he should fight the winner of Penn-Stevenson (most likely Penn) in early 2008. I don’t agree with the people saying he should work his way back up, no one is saying he’s been taking steroids throughout his UFC career, he only failed after one fight. If he’s not the defending champ, he’s the number one contender.

Not guilty…period…screw the athletic commision they dont even have fair triles

This is based on….your spelling prowess?

lie detector tests are no where near 98% accurate..

  Do your homework, some are look it up.

Because he was found guilty they have to strip him. They have to to preserve the title. At the same time it leaves 3 #1 Contenders, being BJ and Joe Daddy the other 2.
SO Sherk sits out, films some anti-doping PR films for MMA schools BJ and Joe D settle up, winner is still #1 contender v. Sherk …..winner the gets belt.

When belts change hands back to back under strange cicumstance it really de-values the “TITLE” of champion.

Strip Sherk, Have the #1 contenders Match, Sherk fights that to regain the title…. and he will. He is just too good at what he does and i can’t see anyone moving him where he doesnt want to go, not at 155. If BJ moves on, and somehow spralls like we’ve never seen and throws, Sherk could lose.
But thats assuming Sherk wouldnt get the take down… BJ will be a great test. (dont count out Joe D… easily could be him)

Good stuff SaVaGe. It’s nice to hear from someone who knows what they’re talking about.

bj penn vs. joe daddy for belt…..ken flo gets winner of that unless huerta or guida pull off an upset …. and then throw sherk up againist someone like frankie edgar(good fight) just to make sure he is still top 5 quality and the roids didnt help him out that much ha

The ambivalence of the CSAC is very unprofessional. He’s either guilty and the original ruling should stand or he’s cleared of the charges. Meeting in the middle is just plain dumb for an organization that is paid well for a federally required job. They just phucked this whole thing up from all the delays to a wishy-washy conclusion. I hope a bunch of people get fired for this.

IMO…
Sherk is innocent of knowingly taking steroids, however…
The UFC MUST strip Sherk of the LW title.

Sherk tested positive for elevated levels of Nandrolone, a naturally occurring steroid. His low level test is indicative of a juicer that “missed” his cycle by a few weeks. If you are unsure what this implies then you should educate yourself on steroid use and practices before making judgments about suspensions. However, the commissions state, as do Olympic and NCAA governing body documents, that no athlete may have a banned substance or elevated levels of a naturally occurring substance in their body. This says nothing of delivery or intent, therefore Sherk is guilty of testing positive for elevated levels of Nandrolone, an anabolic steroid.

It is political, I know, but the UFC must abide by the testing results by the commissions, even the CSAC…for now. In addition, the UFC should enforce a new mandatory policy of pre-event testing via blood and urine samples by an independent lab (independent of the commission). The commissions would then be forced to examine independent evidence (of which there is never any present at any commission hearing) and recognize their testing practices are flawed.

Look at the Phil Baroni testing debacle, testing positive for Stanozolol and Boldenone (not Nandrolone). To anyone who knows anything, Baroni is a juicer using equestrian anabolic steroids and stacking with oral anabolics (Stanozolol). After all, he like Sherk, looks like a juicer. Yet, Quest Diagnostic, the lab that handles testing for California and Nevada, sent Baroni’s original urine samples to another lab, Carlson in Colorado Springs, and voila, the urine tested negative for both Boldenone and Stanozolol. So why did the CSAC only reduce Baroni’s suspension to 6 months and not overturn their guilty verdict? Because the Carlson lab said there was not enough urine to do an accurate DNA test, therefore they could not prove that the samples sent to them by Quest Diagnostic were indeed Phil Baroni’s urine. Later, the CSAC dismissed the whole matter stating that Baroni’s lawyer requested the second test (um, who else would have requested it?) and picked a testing facility, Carlson, (picked because they do both steroid and DNA testing) that is not an approved facility (approved by the CSAC). One CSAC official stated that he believed the second test was done with urine that was not Baroni’s and that the samples had been switched.

It is obvious that the commissions have problems in regards to testing. They hold all the evidence, collect insufficient amounts for any additional testing and then just shorten suspensions when evidence is refuted. It is time for the UFC and other organizations to hold the commissions to a new level and provide additional testing samples with chain of custody.

In addition, California has a 2-time loser rule that would result in a lifetime license revocation ban for Baroni or Sherk should they fail another CSAC test (for steroids).
That is very serious. Forget the Area 51 Elvis aliens, this is a bureaucratic cover-up conspiracy at its best.

Very impressive. Did you do a report on roids for a college class or is this like a hobby for you?…….No really though I honestly think this was well thought out and probably one of the most educated posts on the site. Good work.

Strip that guy of the title dana white, do the right thing, the question never is or was did he take roids knowingly (i believe he did) the question is and always was were roids in his system? the answer a resounding YES. Dana you have fought very hard for this sport don’t start by doing it a huge discredit on account of you happen to like sherk, the right thing for the sport is to strip him of the belt and make him have at least one or two preliminary fights before getting a title shot. You cannot start playing favorites in a situation like this, when you commit a crime you must do the time. I believe that dana must make a decision very soon, please dana don’t make excusses.

nice post SaVaGE. so, he should be stripped. im not sure if i want another press conference, but the ufc should publicize new protocols for testing athletes and how they intend on working with the CSAC to try to minimize sherk/baroni type instances.

i also think that if sherk is innocent, he should take this to court and keep fighting it, while fighting.

he should fight the winner of bj/stevenson, but volunteer to regular steriod testing through-out the training process. who knows maybe he will gain a lot of fans if he proces he can beat the best without the roids.

Yea All the BJ PENN fans want him gone beacuse they know he’s just too strong for Penn.
Sherk Is the man And I hope he gets too keep the title.

Why do you SHREK fans keep saying this? Do you guys know anything about either fighters history? Sean Sherk completely and utterly humiliated and owned by George ST. Pierre. He was ravaged in this fight. A stronger Pierre owned SHREK. BJ Penn on the other hand other then a few takedowns and some shody ground and pound, owned Pierre. He beat him in the stand up completely. That decision could have and should have in the minds of many gone to BJ Penn. Watch the fight. Get it off of mmalinker.com for free. Pierre face is bashed up. Penn stands up almost immediatly after the majority of the takedowns. But that is what happens when you have boxing judges scoring MMA fights. Then there was Hughes. He submitted him the first time and lost the second(but if I remember he cracked a rib or something)but still managed to fight into the third. Also BJ Penns reputation at the time was he never really trained when he fought these guys. He was not real muscular and known to party throughout his training. So the argument that SHREK is to strong for BJ is about as entertaining as a Monkey throwing Poop at you. On Paper BJ Penn should walk through this guy. On Paper BJ Penn has been the more succesful fighter against real fighters. Sherk may have more ring experience but against what? He has 35 or 40 fights. Only 4 or 5 of them against guys that are considerd A levels fighters. 2 of them he has lost and the other 2 or 3 he could not do anything with but lay an pray…Your Shrek is a glorified one dimensional wrestler.

Sean Sherk will win regardless of who he faces…
Strip him the title and he will come back and win it.

sherk supporters? lie detectors? politics? who cares, he is not a good fighter, his fights are boring and completely talentless, except the other fighter of course.

Make him fight BJ and he’ll wanna give the belt.

Yeah, this is not a “not guilty” finding so therefor the commission has found him guitly so does this force Dana to strip him of the title now? I personally don’t think he was taking steroids in the stereotypical manner that one thinks about but if we are playing on a level playing field – if you’re found positive – you’re found positive and that’s it so you have to do whatever it takes to not be found positive.

its kinda like my uncle told me once hes a lawyer i got a ticket for speeding and didnt know what the speed was it was like 8mph over but anywho i was bitching and complaining bcuz i trully didnt know i was speeding and then he asked me what i would tell a judge if he asked me guilty or not guilty, of course i said not guilty but he continued to explain that just because you didnt know you where breaking the law doesnt mean that you didnt kinda like sherk hell maybe somebody from the penn entourage put some drugs in his baby food you never know these days

this scenarioi reminds me of ali and frazier when ali got stripped of his title and frazier won the belt from some dude both fighters knew that the fight had to take place ali bcuz he was acussed of some stupid crime and frazier for prideif penn beats stevenson and doesnt want to fight sherk thats gonna be like hes being tito dodging sherk remember penn already stated that if sherk was found guilty he wouldnt fight him

It’s considered time already served.

I understand it, but I don’t like how it works. Sherk is the one that insisted on appealing – BECAUSE he thought he was innocent and can prove that he was innocent. Seeing that he couldn’t prove his innocence, I think that the sentence should be carried out beginning with the day of the sentencing.

If he was innocent, then all is good, he can fight tomorrow.

But he was found guilty, and he can still fight ASAP. You need a training camp for each fight, so he can be booked today for a fight in Jauary.

I do not like Sherk. I did not like this whole appeal process. I do not like the sentence. And I do not like how the sentence is being carried out.

IMO…
Sherk is innocent of knowingly taking steroids, however…
The UFC MUST strip Sherk of the LW title.

Sherk tested positive for elevated levels of Nandrolone, a naturally occurring steroid. His low level test is indicative of a juicer that “missed” his cycle by a few weeks. If you are unsure what this implies then you should educate yourself on steroid use and practices before making judgments about suspensions. However, the commissions state, as do Olympic and NCAA governing body documents, that no athlete may have a banned substance or elevated levels of a naturally occurring substance in their body. This says nothing of delivery or intent, therefore Sherk is guilty of testing positive for elevated levels of Nandrolone, an anabolic steroid.

It is political, I know, but the UFC must abide by the testing results by the commissions, even the CSAC…for now. In addition, the UFC should enforce a new mandatory policy of pre-event testing via blood and urine samples by an independent lab (independent of the commission). The commissions would then be forced to examine independent evidence (of which there is never any present at any commission hearing) and recognize their testing practices are flawed.

Look at the Phil Baroni testing debacle, testing positive for Stanozolol and Boldenone (not Nandrolone). To anyone who knows anything, Baroni is a juicer using equestrian anabolic steroids and stacking with oral anabolics (Stanozolol). After all, he like Sherk, looks like a juicer. Yet, Quest Diagnostic, the lab that handles testing for California and Nevada, sent Baroni’s original urine samples to another lab, Carlson in Colorado Springs, and voila, the urine tested negative for both Boldenone and Stanozolol. So why did the CSAC only reduce Baroni’s suspension to 6 months and not overturn their guilty verdict? Because the Carlson lab said there was not enough urine to do an accurate DNA test, therefore they could not prove that the samples sent to them by Quest Diagnostic were indeed Phil Baroni’s urine. Later, the CSAC dismissed the whole matter stating that Baroni’s lawyer requested the second test (um, who else would have requested it?) and picked a testing facility, Carlson, (picked because they do both steroid and DNA testing) that is not an approved facility (approved by the CSAC). One CSAC official stated that he believed the second test was done with urine that was not Baroni’s and that the samples had been switched.

It is obvious that the commissions have problems in regards to testing. They hold all the evidence, collect insufficient amounts for any additional testing and then just shorten suspensions when evidence is refuted. It is time for the UFC and other organizations to hold the commissions to a new level and provide additional testing samples with chain of custody.

In addition, California has a 2-time loser rule that would result in a lifetime license revocation ban for Baroni or Sherk should they fail another CSAC test (for steroids).
That is very serious. Forget the Area 51 Elvis aliens, this is a bureaucratic cover-up conspiracy at its best.

You really do seem to know what your talking about. I still disagree with part of your argument. From what I have read about the particular steroid that Sherk tested positive for, there are many cases where athletes can produce a false positive result, as documented in studies from the University of Aberdeen. Heavy consumption of Beef that was treated with the steroid can cause elevated levels, as well as combining an extremely high protein diet, cardiovascular exercise, and the dietary supplement creatine.

That being said, I understand that the rule states that he may not have any elevated levels, regardless of the method. However, that doesn’t exactly seem right that he gets fined for having elevated levels if he didn’t knowingly do anything that elevated those levels.

Fact is eating steak is not illegal, neither is exercising, or taking creatine. So if that results in a high level of a naturally occurring steroid, you get fined and suspended.

Of course he could be lying and he could have just been going off of a cycle, the fact is though they can’t prove it with a test that is known to give false positives. Also, if he did lie then most likely he would have failed the polygraph, it seriously takes a monk to fool one of those things.

Justice has been served !!! The nanograms in his system were so freaking minor it’s ridiculous that this was ever a serious discussion.

What!?…What do you mean the nanograms were so freaking minor. Now I’m not sure what limit the CSAC or NSAC set but the IOC, International Olympic Committee set a limit of 2. Sherk was 12. Presumably 2 is on the high side of normal. 12 means doper no?

6 months is a bit of a joke. At the rate Sherk defends the title anyway he might as well keep on taking the ‘roids. Win a bout, test positive, suspended 6 months, defend title again, test positive, suspended 6 months. That’s like 2 title defenses a year. This is so dumb.

I sense a backhander from the UFC to the CSAC. Dana, brown envelope, on the sly. That’s half serious half joking but would you really be surprised?

remember penn already stated that if sherk was found guilty he wouldnt fight him

Hopefully BJ will see that the CSAC has problems with testing and recant on his decision not to fight Sherk.

To prevent a roids backlash, it is necessary to punish Sherk by abiding by the commissions findings, but the wheels should already be turning on some kind of protection mechanism for fighters. If the UFC position remains the same, to let the commission hand out the sentence, the UFC will allow Sherk to fight again for the title. Nate the Great comes to mind. He too served a reduced (I think 6 months) suspension for steroid use (claiming tainted supplements I think). I don’t see BJ forfeiting the title because he won’t fight Sherk. Time will tell.

i think the man in not gu

Sean Sherk will win regardless of who he faces…
Strip him the title and he will come back and win it.

I understand that the rule states that he may not have any elevated levels, regardless of the method. However, that doesn’t exactly seem right that he gets fined for having elevated levels if he didn’t knowingly do anything that elevated those levels.

Agreed, that is why I said I do not believe that Sherk knowingly took steroids. But those are the rules. Effective March 31, 2007 the CSAC adopted a program that mirrors the WADA (World Anti Doping Association) program that is used worldwide and by the olympics.
Here is the actual rule:
Where an anabolic androgenic steroid is capable of being produced endogenously, a Sample will be deemed to contain such Prohibited Substance where the concentration of such Prohibited Substance or its metabolites or markers and/or
any other relevant ratio(s) in the Athlete’s Sample so deviates from the range of values normally found in humans that it is unlikely to be consistent with normal endogenous production.

A Sample shall not be deemed to contain a Prohibited Substance in any such case where an Athlete proves that the concentration of the Prohibited Substance or its metabolites or markers and/or the relevant ratio(s) in the Athlete’s Sample is attributable to a physiological or pathological condition.
In all cases, and at any concentration, the Athlete’s sample will be deemed to contain a Prohibited Substance and the laboratory will report an Adverse Analytical Finding if, based on any reliable analytical method (e.g. IRMS), the
laboratory can show that the Prohibited Substance is of exogenous origin. In such case, no further investigation is necessary.

If a value in the range of levels normally found in humans is reported and the reliable analytical method (e.g. IRMS) has not determined the exogenous origin of the substance, but if there are indications, such as a comparison to endogenous
reference steroid profiles, of a possible Use of a Prohibited Substance, further investigation shall be conducted by the relevant Anti-Doping Organization by reviewing the results of any previous test(s) or by conducting subsequent test(s),
in order to determine whether the result is due to a physiological or pathological condition, or has occurred as a consequence of the exogenous origin of a Prohibited Substance.

Based on the rules the burden of proof is Sherk’s. He must prove that Nandro metabolite levels in his urine are naturally occurring. There is no other defense…ie: tainted supplemements.
The objective for testing is to insure that no one athlete has an advantage, no matter how the advantage was attained.

Agreed, that is why I said I do not believe that Sherk knowingly took steroids. But those are the rules. Effective March 31, 2007 the CSAC adopted a program that mirrors the WADA (World Anti Doping Association) program that is used worldwide and by the olympics.
Here is the actual rule:
Where an anabolic androgenic steroid is capable of being produced endogenously, a Sample will be deemed to contain such Prohibited Substance where the concentration of such Prohibited Substance or its metabolites or markers and/or
any other relevant ratio(s) in the Athlete’s Sample so deviates from the range of values normally found in humans that it is unlikely to be consistent with normal endogenous production.

A Sample shall not be deemed to contain a Prohibited Substance in any such case where an Athlete proves that the concentration of the Prohibited Substance or its metabolites or markers and/or the relevant ratio(s) in the Athlete’s Sample is attributable to a physiological or pathological condition.
In all cases, and at any concentration, the Athlete’s sample will be deemed to contain a Prohibited Substance and the laboratory will report an Adverse Analytical Finding if, based on any reliable analytical method (e.g. IRMS), the
laboratory can show that the Prohibited Substance is of exogenous origin. In such case, no further investigation is necessary.

If a value in the range of levels normally found in humans is reported and the reliable analytical method (e.g. IRMS) has not determined the exogenous origin of the substance, but if there are indications, such as a comparison to endogenous
reference steroid profiles, of a possible Use of a Prohibited Substance, further investigation shall be conducted by the relevant Anti-Doping Organization by reviewing the results of any previous test(s) or by conducting subsequent test(s),
in order to determine whether the result is due to a physiological or pathological condition, or has occurred as a consequence of the exogenous origin of a Prohibited Substance.

Based on the rules the burden of proof is Sherk’s. He must prove that Nandro metabolite levels in his urine are naturally occurring. There is no other defense…ie: tainted supplemements.
The objective for testing is to insure that no one athlete has an advantage, no matter how the advantage was attained.

So guilty until proven innocent, burden of proof usually lies on the accuser. I wonder what would happen if Sherk brought this to a court. At this point it is the only way to clear his name.

i agree with J.Cameron sherk is a monster a 155 so i really aint to worried if he loses the title which i dont think he freakin should the man pasted a lie detactor test and passed and the csac are just dumb IMO they way they run that place is laughable.but if he does it will be only a matter of time before hes back on top theres no one at 155 that can stop his takedowns and ground and pounds and i dont think anyone can knock him out eaither and another thing why is there so much damn hype about b.j penn i dont think he is even top 10 in the lightweight division and i so a rank that had him in the top ten in welterweight hes had two loses and then a win over jens pulver woo i didnt know beating jens pulver but yuo top ten or top five for that matter if thats the case then joe loson should be top 5 because he knock jens out and tell me how babalu can get booted from the ufc for holding a choke to long but penn can hold on to the choke on jens just as long and not get even a slap on the wrist that to me is bs i think bj. is a good bjj fighter but thats it i really dont think he could take any of the top guys in the ufc joe stevenson will destroy him in there fight he is just like sherk its a free preveiw of what will happen if penn ever had the balls to fight sherk the only reason he said he wouldn’t fight him is beacuse he is scared to fight sherk beause he knows he will end up like all the rest getting pumbled into dust form sherks ground and pound so take that all you b.j. fans ha

As an all around MMA Fan I just have to say WOW to this statement. So beating Hughes, who owned Sherk Means nothing? Losing a split decision to GSP, who mind you beat Sherk like the LAPD beat their minorities, which if you watch the fight could have and I feel should have gone to BJ(GSP face is Hamburger at the end of the fight-which none has ever done before or to this day since BJ) means nothing to him being a top 5 in any weight division below 205. You need to go back and watch the BJ fights. Sherk is nowhere near Hughes or GSP level, could not hang with them but Penn won’t handle Sherks Relentless lay and pray….Chuckle….

I think he should be stripped of the belt, however I also feel he should be number 1 contender when he returns as well.

As an all around MMA Fan I just have to say WOW to this statement. So beating Hughes, who owned Sherk Means nothing? Losing a split decision to GSP, who mind you beat Sherk like the LAPD beat their minorities, which if you watch the fight could have and I feel should have gone to BJ(GSP face is Hamburger at the end of the fight-which none has ever done before or to this day since BJ) means nothing to him being a top 5 in any weight division below 205. You need to go back and watch the BJ fights. Sherk is nowhere near Hughes or GSP level, could not hang with them but Penn won’t handle Sherks Relentless lay and pray….Chuckle….

yeah i dont see where they are coming from either, im with da monk on this one

Sherk should definitely be stripped of his title. He has still been found guilty (regardless of 6 month suspended sentence) so he is still found GUILTY.

If indeed the UFC do not strip him, then what would it lead to in the future? Fighters thinking they can juice, get busted and still think they can retain their belt?

There cannot be double-standards…

STRIP HIM

Sherk is a douchbag . B.J would tear him apart , but i do think they should let sherk use steroids just to make it more of a even match.

This is really really interesting.. Everyone hates Sean Sherk after being caught with Steroids. What you dont know is that almost every fighter in UFC/PRIDE uses Steroids of some kind! All fighters have their own doctors that gives them the exact dose of steroids needed not to get caught in controls.
Unlucky for Sherk his dose may have been a little to high. For example growth hormones is very hard to se in a test! I think that Sean Sherk competes at the same terms as the other fighters. His use of steroids cant take away that he is a very skilled and talented fighter (Lightweight Champ)!