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UFC Quick Quote: Houston Alexander just had a 'bad day' against Thiago Silva

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"Actually I have been training jiu-jitsu with Bob Shermer, who's one of the best jiu-jitsu guys in the world. Just for some reason during this bad, bad period I was in the ring I totally just spaced off all of what I've learned during those three months. It's not like I don't know any jiu-jitsu, because I actually do and I'm actually really good at it. But at that particular moment there was nothing, and I was not myself, so that's why I was having a bad day, because I wasn't my bad self. I've had harder fights in the gym then what I did in the ring that day."

-- Knockout artist Houston Alexander reflects on the possible reasons he was stopped by Thiago Silva at UFC 78: "Validation" on November 17 via PunchDrunkGamer.com. Prior to the loss he had stopped Keith Jardine and Alessio Sakara in less than two minutes combined. It's important to note that the Nebraskan offered up no excuses for the technical knockout defeat and was back training the very next day.

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i just hope,he focus training in ground games, he really needs it,if he doesnt, then all LW will beat him,as long as they can take this guy on the ground

by mad_drummer on Nov 29, 2007 11:36 PM EST reply actions  

im mean LHW

by mad_drummer on Nov 29, 2007 11:37 PM EST reply actions  

i ain’t buying it i think he has no ground game at all, against a fighter standup i would bet he wins everytime but someone with ground i wouldn’t touch him with a 10 ft pole

by bryant on Nov 29, 2007 11:38 PM EST reply actions  

I think he’s workin on it and he will improve. A loss for him like that was a good thing for him. He needed that to push him to really work on his ground game.

by Joey on Nov 29, 2007 11:53 PM EST reply actions  

You don’t learn BJJ in just 3 months. It takes years of training to be good and Thiaga Silva has years of training in BJJ. Houston Alexander’s stand up isn’t that good. Everyone seems to forget that Jardine caught him pretty good and was getting losing the stand up battle to Silva. I think he has a lot of raw talent and may be good in the future but he is pretty old and the window of opportunity is closing.

by Chris on Nov 30, 2007 12:16 AM EST reply actions  

3 months of jui jitsu training isn’t very much compared to Silva whom has been training it his whole life. He needs to train that for at least another year if he wants to out maneuver a black belt in Jui Jitsu.

by c-war on Nov 30, 2007 12:17 AM EST reply actions  

You don’t learn BJJ in just 3 months. It takes years of training to be good and Thiaga Silva has years of training in BJJ.

QFT

Lifetime of BJJ > 3 months

by ShadowoftheDarkgod on Nov 30, 2007 12:21 AM EST reply actions  

Houston Alexander just needs to work on greco roman wrestling.. he doesn’t really need ju-jit-su all that much, cuz he isn’t that flexbile, and he has so much strenght that he’ll be better at wrestling and holding the guy down then tryin to submit the guy.. he is old so he won’t be a black belt any time soon or even a brown belt… but with the strenght he’s got he’ll be fine if he improves his ground and pound.. and he has good standup.. I wanna see him go toe 2 toe with Rampage just stand up no ground game i think he hits harder than rampage too

by Ricky on Nov 30, 2007 12:26 AM EST reply actions  

whitebelt jui jitsu!!!!!

by jace on Nov 30, 2007 12:30 AM EST reply actions  

Training for 3 months everyday?… 2 hours a day?…
OR 3 months 2 days a week 1 hour a day?….
c’mon… we know the difference!!!

by THORAZINE on Nov 30, 2007 12:39 AM EST reply actions  

stupidest excuse for a loss

by scott on Nov 30, 2007 12:49 AM EST reply actions  

He’ll be back! Train your ass off Houston and overcome that set back, that’s what sets Warriors apart from never-will-be’s.

by Ray on Nov 30, 2007 1:27 AM EST reply actions  

If hes had tougher fights in his gym like he claimed maybe the UFC should look into those guys cause Thiago knocked him the F* out.

by Dayzah on Nov 30, 2007 1:34 AM EST reply actions  

WOW! What was Thiago thinking taking down a guy who has had three months of jiu-jitsu training? All Thiago has is a black belt from one of the best camps in the world.

Houston could have convinced me here with another quick win or a long hard fight. He did niether and I feel like he has proven to us all, that he is a brawler and a brawler period.

by Mahde on Nov 30, 2007 1:51 AM EST reply actions  

Houston looked WAY smaller than Thiago in the staredown…I noticed he picked up Thiago and slammed him in the fight, my satellite went out so I missed a few seconds, but it looked like to me Houston came out agressive, but he didnt unload on Thiago with strikes, instead he clinched with him…slammed him down pretty good, but then THiago got full mount on him right away…HA was trying to choke him from a horrible position, I think the truth is Houston hasnt been training the ground very long, but he seems like the type of guy that after this loss, he will train the ground game more….I hope to see him come back strong and win some more fights, I like fihgters who come out and bang and make it look like a street fight, and thats what Houston does, he just needs to learn some good wrestling like someone else said!

by Chadx23 on Nov 30, 2007 1:55 AM EST reply actions  

He’s probably learned it allright, but it’s one thing to learn it and another for it to come 2nd nature in competition. He just needs experience using it competitively.

by Dave on Nov 30, 2007 2:02 AM EST reply actions  

dude that’s one hell of a scar. You don’t get a scar like that from donating a kidney.

by DoctorSamson on Nov 30, 2007 2:17 AM EST reply actions  

I think the reason his BJJ supposedly disappeared all of a sudden is because he just isn’t experienced enough. It’s one thing to know what to do in your head on a conscious level and to be able to articulate what you should do, but it’s a completely different thing to react to what’s happening during a fight instinctively. And that only comes with practice and more experience in any particular sport.

I hope Houston comes back better than ever. I really hope he’s not being overconfident in his abilities and continues to work on what needs to be improved.

by Spawn on Nov 30, 2007 6:21 AM EST reply actions  

I think houston is still a beast and very exciting. I say give him a chance to redeem himself on the next fight.. He just had a bad night and I think he can still pull off some big upsets with his stand-up style soon in the future. I would love to see him bang with chuck liddel, or someone like that.

by markg on Nov 30, 2007 6:33 AM EST reply actions  

I just read the interview… hmmm, it seems to me like Houston is the kind of fighter that thrives on fighting with passion and thrives on needing to prove people wrong. It makes me wonder if his ever-increasing popularity has contributed to him being maybe a little bit more complacent, thus possibly the mental error during the fight.

Anyway, still looking forward to Houston’s next fight! Can’t wait.

They should give him Bisping like he requested heheheh.

by Spawn on Nov 30, 2007 6:48 AM EST reply actions  

If hes had tougher fights in the Gym then he must get beat up pretty often. 3 months of BJJ is nothing compared to years of practice like Thiago Silva. Houston is just a pretender, will never be a star attraction or a world champion.

by JJ on Nov 30, 2007 6:59 AM EST reply actions  

I think Houston lost that fight before it ever hit the ground. He didnt come out his normal agressive and explosive self. He was to tentative from the start. Tiago won that fight as soon as it started, cuz houston didnt fight like the man that Ko’ed Sakara, and Jardine! He has got to come out and blow thru people, or he will get exposed

by john on Nov 30, 2007 8:08 AM EST reply actions  

I think Houston lost that fight before it ever hit the ground. He didnt come out his normal agressive and explosive self. He was to tentative from the start. Tiago won that fight as soon as it started, cuz houston didnt fight like the man that Ko’ed Sakara, and Jardine! He has got to come out and blow thru people, or he will get exposed

word for word..great minds think alike.

by PhilQNY on Nov 30, 2007 8:11 AM EST reply actions  

He came out fired up , did you see him go thru the crowd? It was once he saw Thiago in the Octogon , he knew he was outskilled and it was gonna get shown on a pay per view that he was helping headline.

Sure he wasnt himself but I think Thiago would have beat him either way.

by Dayzah on Nov 30, 2007 8:16 AM EST reply actions  

Houston Alexander=One Dimensional

by Jake on Nov 30, 2007 8:32 AM EST reply actions  

a fighter that has a superior standup skills but zero ground game will never make it to the top,unless if a fighter does have a superb level of take down defense (like Liddel).

i think thats the reason Liddell didnt push him self hard to train ground game,because of thinking that nobody could take him down,or if the opponent did,then he would be able to stand up again anyway,& Liddell thinks that he can beat anybody in standup game,but he finally fought a man who matched well his striking ability.

so Liddell & Houston i want to see you both do some ground game on your next fights..

even though to myself i want to see a knockout,but i would more happy to see you both become more well rounded..

by mad_drummer on Nov 30, 2007 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

I think Houston lost that fight before it ever hit the ground. He didnt come out his normal agressive and explosive self. He was to tentative from the start. Tiago won that fight as soon as it started, cuz houston didnt fight like the man that Ko’ed Sakara, and Jardine! He has got to come out and blow thru people, or he will get exposed

John, I think he came out tentative because this was his first fight in the UFC against someone that has a BJJ black belt and good takedowns. He was very worried about getting taking down to the ground andI believe that even HE thought that he’d lose the fight if it went to the ground.

by ViolentMike on Nov 30, 2007 8:58 AM EST reply actions  

Houston Alexander=One Dimensional

No one in this whole forum really know him. We can only judge him by his first two (2) fights in the UFC (that he won both in devastating fashion BTW). I think we need to see more of him. Need to see him slow down a bit. he can be explosive and still have control. I would like to see him train his ass off, come back and submit someone, so that he can prove to everyone he is capable.. WAR HOUSTON!

by BustYoFace on Nov 30, 2007 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

I think Dana White likes this guy and we wont see him up against a BJJ artist for a long time. Danas gonna set him up with guys that like to stand a brawl for now on.

by STUNNALATOR on Nov 30, 2007 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

Houston Alexander just needs to work on greco roman wrestling.. he doesn’t really need ju-jit-su all that much, cuz he isn’t that flexbile, and he has so much strenght that he’ll be better at wrestling and holding the guy down then tryin to submit the guy.. he is old so he won’t be a black belt any time soon or even a brown belt… but with the strenght he’s got he’ll be fine if he improves his ground and pound.. and he has good standup.. I wanna see him go toe 2 toe with Rampage just stand up no ground game i think he hits harder than rampage too

He’s never going to fight Rampage since he just isn’t in that class unless Rampage loses a few fights.

by Aaron_W on Nov 30, 2007 9:25 AM EST reply actions  

Houston Alexander having a ground game.

Quote of the day.

by "Mr. NC-17" on Nov 30, 2007 9:34 AM EST reply actions  

Was poor bjj really Houston’s problem? I thought it looked like he needed to improve his wrestling. It was that weak bridge that allowed Thiago to stay in mount and finish him. I don’t train bjj, so maybe I’m missing something, but it seems like skilled wrestlers always give bjj guys a difficult fight. So would Houston be better served by working on his bjj skills, or on his wrestling skills?

by cmon on Nov 30, 2007 9:36 AM EST reply actions  

Houston is still a badass.
I hope he comes back strong. Everyone has a bad day, night etc.

Everyone knows he needs work on the ground…..

by sporto on Nov 30, 2007 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

You don’t learn BJJ in just 3 months. It takes years of training to be good and Thiaga Silva has years of training in BJJ. Houston Alexander’s stand up isn’t that good. Everyone seems to forget that Jardine caught him pretty good and was getting losing the stand up battle to Silva. I think he has a lot of raw talent and may be good in the future but he is pretty old and the window of opportunity is closing.

The fact that he did get caught by Jardine, and then recovered to knock Jardine out is twice as impressive if you ask me.

by Yoububg on Nov 30, 2007 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

Any ideas as to when he will fight next and the opponent?

by GoColts on Nov 30, 2007 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

I think Houston lost that fight before it ever hit the ground. He didnt come out his normal agressive and explosive self. He was to tentative from the start. Tiago won that fight as soon as it started, cuz houston didnt fight like the man that Ko’ed Sakara, and Jardine! He has got to come out and blow thru people, or he will get exposed

totally agree

by larry on Nov 30, 2007 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

I think Houston lost that fight before it ever hit the ground. He didnt come out his normal agressive and explosive self. He was to tentative from the start.

I thought the same thing when he came out. He really looked to be caught up in the whole thing. He almost looked to be on the verge of tears as he came out. I think being the “main event” got to him as well as fighting someone with a badass ground game. Everyone looses a fight (unless you’re Thiago, I guess), so just put this one up as experience and move on. He’s really got to focus on his ground game because it didn’t even seem to be BJJ that got him beat in this fight. It was just bad wrestling technique. He didn’t really appear to be trying to escape after Thiago got a full mount on him.

by VNDK8 on Nov 30, 2007 10:35 AM EST reply actions  

Houston Alexander has a ground game. And pigs fly out of my ass every time I fart.

by ViolentMike on Nov 30, 2007 10:40 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t understand it when guys think they can spend months training something and then suddenly they can take on guys who have been doing it for YEARS. For example, Kos was working on his Muay Thai, so then he thought he could stand w/ GSP? Ridiculous.

by Pat on Nov 30, 2007 10:44 AM EST reply actions  

Houston is fooling himself if he thinks he just had a bad night and 3 months of training BJJ was enough to take on Thiago. I love to watch this guy fight, but we need to watch him fight another stand up fighter to get what we want to see. Can you imagine watching him fight Hammil? Hammil would just take him down for 3 rounds and hammer fist a decision. Dana probably put him against Thiago for a reason. It was a wake up call that this is MMA, not street fighting. If he wants to do that he needs to gain 100 pounds and fight Kimbo Slice.

by UFCAddict on Nov 30, 2007 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

he is a great fighter and this loss will help him 2 improv his ground game

by Ufc fan from Morocco on Nov 30, 2007 11:19 AM EST reply actions  

I don’t believe Houston intended to imply his BJJ was on the level of Thiago’s. It seems to me that Houston meant he has SOME competency in BJJ despite the appearance created by his loss to Thiago that he has zero ground game.

Three months training in BJJ is hardly enough to cover the basics and certainly not enough for it to become instinctual. In fact, three months is probably the perfect amount of time to create the illusion that you can handle yourself on the ground, only to end up there and find that none of it comes to you.

Had Houston come out throwing bombs, things could have been different. And he did handle himself just fine against Sakara on the ground. However, it appears that Thiago is simply the superior MMA figther. I’d love to see him take on Forrest Griffin.

by Richard Spencer on Nov 30, 2007 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

Lol the hate runs deep here. He went to train BJJ for 3 months cuz he was fighting a BJJ black belt… he got offered the fight and took it. What was he supposed to say “I need mroe BJJ time?”

He got called to go the UFC and he went. For his level of fighter, he did great in his first two fights. He’s only trained with a coach since March. It’s not his choice that he got the call before he was the 110% complete fighter you all want him to be. He is still learning every day.

You act like they said “Fight Thiago Silva” and Houston thought “I can own this guy at BJJ.” Of course he didn’t feel that way, which is probably why once he got in the ring he changed into a much more nervous looking fighter.

by Btay on Nov 30, 2007 11:57 AM EST reply actions  

Houston Alexander has a ground game. And pigs fly out of my ass every time I fart.

you must eat a lot of bacon..lol.. jks

by kickinthehead on Nov 30, 2007 1:20 PM EST reply actions  

give his ground game a year and then we shall see anpowerfull well rouded fighter , i can totally see him with the belt

by moro on Nov 30, 2007 1:40 PM EST reply actions  

He definately needs to sort his ground game out if he wants to progress up the ladder. I actually wanted to see him fight McFedries. I know it would never go to the ground and not a lot of MMA would be displayed, but like Leban and Martin or Quarry and Sell, I could really see that being a war.

by Ade on Nov 30, 2007 2:24 PM EST reply actions  

Houston will be back…STRONG!

by pete on Nov 30, 2007 2:47 PM EST reply actions  

I think he’s full of shit and to be honest I suspected he wasn’t the real deal, other fighters are on to him, he’s got holes in his game the size of the ozone layer….ground game my ass.

by nathan on Nov 30, 2007 3:22 PM EST reply actions  

word for word..great minds think alike.

u know it!

by john on Nov 30, 2007 4:05 PM EST reply actions  

John, I think he came out tentative because this was his first fight in the UFC against someone that has a BJJ black belt and good takedowns. He was very worried about getting taking down to the ground andI believe that even HE thought that he’d lose the fight if it went to the ground.

absolutly agree. All the how are u gonna deal with tiago on the ground questions got to him, it psyched him out. Him being at such a disadvantage on the ground against Tiago is more of a reason why he should came out like he did his last 2 times and unleash a minute and a half of Fury on Tiago, because I always felt that if Houston didnt KO him fast, he would be in trouble.

by john on Nov 30, 2007 4:08 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with you John…he should have come out guns balzing full force, that way there is no time for Thiago to even think about a takedown

by Chadx23 on Nov 30, 2007 5:28 PM EST reply actions  

You don’t learn BJJ in just 3 months. It takes years of training to be good and Thiaga Silva has years of training in BJJ. Houston Alexander’s stand up isn’t that good. Everyone seems to forget that Jardine caught him pretty good and was getting losing the stand up battle to Silva. I think he has a lot of raw talent and may be good in the future but he is pretty old and the window of opportunity is closing.

The fact that he did get caught by Jardine, and then recovered to knock Jardine out is twice as impressive if you ask me.

My point is that he is not very technical and will get caught with a punch very often. I don’t think he fights very smart with his striking and leaves himself open a lot. You can see that Silva was landing a punch or two and some kicks. I think if Jardine were to fight him again, he would win. He fights with a lot of passion though and will never give us a boring fight.

by Chris on Nov 30, 2007 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

houstons talk of his “good ground game” reminds me a lot of how he said he slipped when joe rogan asked him if jardine hurt him. please, hes totally covering up . . .

in any case, i think his best chance of winning is to bumrush his competitor like the debt collector thompson.

by COR on Nov 30, 2007 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

he needs to shut the f*ck up and stop making excuses

is he suggesting he just forgot about his ground game for that fight?

I hate when fighters make excuses, he got beat by a better fighter. period.

by jack on Nov 30, 2007 7:25 PM EST reply actions  

you probably can’t tell, but i actually like Houston

by jack on Nov 30, 2007 7:28 PM EST reply actions  

i ain’t buying it i think he has no ground game at all, against a fighter standup i would bet he wins everytime but someone with ground i wouldn’t touch him with a 10 ft pole

It’s not like taking a exam and not remembering what you studied. He had NO ground defense at all, made no attempts to control Silva’s position, he didn’t demonstrate even the basics. I like Houston, but he needs to work on his ground game big time and that’s all he needed to say.

by Sula on Nov 30, 2007 8:44 PM EST reply actions  

He doesn’t even realize that he never got to the jiu-jitsu part; there wasn’t any need for it. His wrestling/grappling sucked so bad, nothing more complicated needed to happen. If the whole in your game in that big- the least you can do is have great take down defense until you’re over the learning curve (sucks for him- he’s already 35). I hope he has the sense to do what he needs to do instead of continuing to make excuses.

by Sula on Nov 30, 2007 8:53 PM EST reply actions  

I think Dana White likes this guy and we wont see him up against a BJJ artist for a long time. Danas gonna set him up with guys that like to stand a brawl for now on.

yeah, i think you’re right. BJJ black belt from Chute Boxe is just waaaay too much for Houston at this point in his career.

by Spawn on Dec 1, 2007 4:36 AM EST reply actions  

If he gets good at BJJ, look for HA to tear some arms out of sockets!

by Googan on Dec 1, 2007 12:27 PM EST reply actions  

I think he’s workin on it and he will improve. A loss for him like that was a good thing for him. He needed that to push him to really work on his ground game.

agreed

by jdawg on Dec 1, 2007 8:48 PM EST reply actions  

If he gets good at BJJ, look for HA to tear some arms out of sockets!

lol.i could see that happening.his f-ing arms ans upper body is swoooh

by jdawg on Dec 1, 2007 8:50 PM EST reply actions  

I think he made a rookie mistake. he didnt keep the fight on his terms, instead he stalked silva, then when he could have started pounding him he clinched. Plus no experienced fighter would have tried to submit a bjj black belt with that hold. I think Houston will be back stronger than ever after re-evaluating his strategy in the cage. I think he should stick with what he knows, and start learning what he doesnt know.
RC
Omaha, Nebraska

by rctrue on Dec 2, 2007 7:01 AM EST reply actions  

i a gree with allot of your comments on here im really close friends with houston and hes gunna be back strong and like one guy said on hear it was better for houston, houstons been training on his ground game but know hes taking some time off to go get married but theres a plus side to this whole thing and its that hes training in san diego qith great bjj champions so just letting you all know thanks for supporting Houston.Hes going to be fighting in febuary but no aponent yet.ill keep you all posted Thanks

by Omaha4life on Dec 2, 2007 10:06 PM EST reply actions  

I think houston is still a beast and very exciting. I say give him a chance to redeem himself on the next fight.. He just had a bad night and I think he can still pull off some big upsets with his stand-up style soon in the future. I would love to see him bang with chuck liddel, or someone like that.

alexander vs liddell would be an awesome fight to watch.

by AzCombat on Dec 2, 2007 10:12 PM EST reply actions  

alexander vs liddell would be an awesome fight to watch.

yeah..like that’ll happen..i’m a huge fan of chuck but there’s no escaping father time..it’s either he’ll make one last run at the belt if he wins at 79 or it’s the end of an illustrious career…

by ICEMANIA on Dec 10, 2007 10:13 AM EST reply actions  

Houstong got mounted in a scramble. What other fighter would have gotten a sweep on that guy?

Thiago is undefeated so losing to him could happen to anyone.

I actually thought Thiago was the tentative one, worried about getting smashed and waiting for a scramble which he got that “fell” in to a mount where his strength was capitalized and Houstons weakness taken advantage of.

Another fight would be drastically different. A possible KO by Houston or a Sub/GnP by Thiago…..that is why we would watch it again.

Don’t disocunt either guy. Houston is gonna get two more KO’s in the next 6 months and then we’ll see him move to the top level again.

Thiago is gonna get a big fight either next appearance or right after and he’s probably gonna get close to the top (belt fight after that)

by NY on Dec 20, 2007 11:29 AM EST reply actions  

He’s a bum – 35 years old that had hype from two fights. Silva would dominate him 9 out of 10 times. On another note, look out for this Silva kid – has he even lost yet? He’ll be able to control must of his upcoming challenges. Chute Box Camp training.

by Darryl on Dec 20, 2007 4:27 PM EST reply actions  

Silva was probably one of the most underrated fighters in the UFC before the fight with Houston. If you watched the UFC 78 PPV, you would of seen the crowd, everyone was chanting “HOUSTON, HOUSTON” Everyone counted Thiago out except for Chute Boxe and Thiago Silva. Thiago exposed Houston’s lack of ground game, Houston was not the beast everyone thought he was in that fight, he got his ass kicked, no question

by Rampage101 on Dec 25, 2007 2:46 PM EST reply actions  

Thiago is very much underrated.UFC doesnt give him that many fights.

by WESTSIDE /OAHU on Jan 27, 2008 11:31 PM EST reply actions  

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