UFC 78 betting odds: Free tips and advice from Desert Dog
Desert Dog here with tips and "Smart Bets" for UFC 78: "Validation" this Saturday, November 17, at the Prudential Center in Newark, New Jersey.
It's been awhile since I passed along the lines -- life has been busy. Therefore, I want to get right to the analysis. This card has some solid opportunities and we want you to take advantage of them before the lines narrow.
Let's get to it.
Here are the "Smart Bets" for UFC 78:
Main card picks:
(Note: + = Underdog, - = Favorite)
Rashad Evans -320 (No Action)
Karo Parisyan -170 Over/Under (Bet $100 win $58.82)
Spencer Fisher +100 (Bet $100 win $100)
Houston Alexander -160 (Bet $100 win $62.50) -Or- +130 Over/Under option (Bet $100 win $130)
Ed Herman -170 (No Action)
Preliminary card picks:
Thiago Alves -200 (Bet $100 win $50)
Tamdan McCrory +220 (Bet $100 win $220)
Marcus Aurelio -500 (No Action)
Joe Lauzon -400 (No Action)
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The best value on this card is Spencer Fisher at even money. A straight bet on Houston at -160 and the over/under for Parisyan to go past 1.5 rounds are both good, too.
The underdog bets to consider on this card are Tamdan McCrory at +205 and an over/under bet on the Alexander fight to go less than 1.5 rounds with odds of +130.
Now onto a more detailed breakdown of the fights for those bettors who require a little more reassurance:
Rashad Evans (-320) vs. Michael Bisping (+240)
This fight between is a more exciting match up than the original Evans vs. Tito Ortiz rematch that never materialized. The styles of these two fighters should provide for a very active fight. Honestly, anything would be better than what we saw from these two in their last bouts.
In betting terms the bookmakers seem to be putting much more weight on Bisping's last showing than Rashad's. Both were tentative and slow to initiate their game plans and not up to their expectations. Unfortunately for Bisping his win was probably because of poor judging, which left a bad taste in the mouths of many fans.
My initial take on this fight is that Rashad has the advantage in size, wrestling and aggression. Skill wise it's close in the standup, but if Bisping is on his bike in fear of the takedown it will be a painful one to watch. On the ground both prefer to ground and pound, but Bisping has a more dangerous guard.
In this particular fight Bisping will not want to be on his back -- slick submission attempts will just get him some big hammer fists to the face. Rashad has the overall advantage and should win this fight, but the odds are not worth it.
I would say that the probability should be about 67/43. In other words Evans isn't a good buy unless he's around -200.
Prediction: Evans via decision
Karo Parisyan (-350) vs. Ryo Chonan (+250)
Karo Parisyan is best known for making every fight a war and this match up sets the stage for another fast paced, technical battle. Karo's 17-5 record doesn't tell his story on it's own, but a closer look defines his fighting style.
First, he's only lost to three people Sean Sherk (three times, 2000-1), Georges St Pierre (2004), and most recently to Diego Sanchez (2006).His showing at both of his UFC losses were very respectable.
Second, Karo wins almost all of his fights via decision because of his relentless and technical style. Unfortunately, it also shows he's not known for his stand up power or his ability to finish. "The Heat" has the core strength you hear about with all top level grapplers and a pitbull mentality, which is what wins fights for him and that's what makes him fun to watch.
Ryo Chonan is forever known as the guy who took out Anderson Silva with a flying scissor heel hook ... just remember he was getting his ass kicked for most of that fight. He has lost to several other big names in the 185-pound division like Filho, Henderson, and Baroni.
Now for his move to the UFC he's dropped down to the welterweight division in hopes that he won't have to deal with being overpowered. He's also been training with Team Quest and his new hero Dan Henderson. He believes this has really improved his striking style and wrestling skills.
A short comings against some of his opponents has been his standup and very short reach we'll see what some Team Quest time has done for him. Once things hit the ground he is dangerous from all positions. His submissions are slick and unorthodox, much like Karo's style. Now he just has to get use to the UFC crowds, the cage, and elbows in a match up with Karo sounds like fun huh.
Look for Karo to actually work his standup in the first part of this fight. By round two Chonan will be closing the distance and Karo will shift to his favorite standby -- the Judo throws. Round two will probably decide this fight if Karo can control and ground and pound he will continue this through the third round and win via decision. If Ryo is going to win, it will be due to greater strength and ground control or maybe catching Karo with an unusual submission.
Overall Karo's pace and ever improving skill set should be enough to out slick the "Piranha." The odds have Karo as a heavy favorite (-350), not the numbers I wanted to see for a bet on Karo. There's value on a Parisyan bet if the odds get below -300 and on Ryo if the Odds get to +300.
With the odds where they are a better bet would be the over/under for this one to go past 1.5 rounds (-160).
Prediction: Karo via decision
Spencer Fisher (+100) vs. Frankie Edgar(-130)
Here's a good candidate for fight of the night. These two epitomize what makes the lightweight division so exciting.
Edgar made an impressive UFC debut against Tyson Griffin, winning a hard fought decision. He's also showed that he can handle submission specialists as well in his second UFC win against Mark Bocek.
His game is very well rounded and athletic, but he hasn't shown a consistent ability to finish his opponents. He's definitely got the edge in wrestling. His striking style very sound boxing but he's lacking a bit in his kickboxing and outside striking because of his reach.
Fisher continues to find himself in wars in the Octagon. His Muay Thai striking and knees are his best weapons and although he claims to have a weakness in wrestling, he's proven to be very dangerous on the ground in all positions.
Edgar will be able to get the takedown, but I don't think he will be able to maintain control on the ground. Look for a great stand up war with Fisher holding the edge in terms of striking power and overall technique. Edgar's takedowns will result in some quick transitions and scrambles, but nothing more. Fishers striking power will overwhelm Edgar in later rounds. Anything that puts Fisher in as the underdog or even money is a great bet.
Prediction: Fisher via technical knockout
Houston Alexander (-160) vs. Thiago Silva (+130)
Houston Alexander has quickly become a ticket seller after his quick and impressive technical knockouts of Keith Jardine and Allesio Sakara. At 35 years old, Houston has suddenly found himself exactly where he wants to be -- in the UFC aiming for the top of his division.
His fighting style was best described by Mike Goldberg at UFC 75I "That dude is violent!"
His first two UFC fights were so short it's hard to say much else. His boxing and Muay Thai looked very good, especially against the slower paced Sakara. His ground game, however, is completely untested on the UFC stage. His game plan for this fight is to keep it standing and work his inside game. Hopefully we'll get to see his conditioning in this fight.
Thiago Silva (11-0) holds a black belt in Brazilian jui jitsu and comes out of the ChuteBoxe team and has been training with Team Link. As with most of this Brazilian teammates, his Muay Thai is very strong and he likes to keep it standing, with nine of his wins coming by way of technical knockout. As long as he doesn't let his emotions take over, the first point of his game plan will be to test Alexander's ground game.
Although Thiago is 2-0 in the UFC his bouts have slid under the radar, especially the win over James Irvin (who blew his knee out early in the first round). His last fight against Tomasz Drwal showed his ability to stand with a heavy puncher. What was lacking was his energy in the second round and his takedowns didn't look that sharp. His pace in all of his fights is methodical, but he puts a lot of power behind his punches and knows when to pour it on.
On paper these two match up pretty tight with no significant size or reach advantages. Silva holds an advantage in terms of training and overall skill set. Houston's only visible advantage is his "violence." His aggression will be an immediate test for Thiago and if that storm is weathered, we'll all finally get a good look at the rest of his game.
My pick in this fight is Houston and he is a good value for a straight bet, but if the lack of info on him scares you this is another good candidate for an over/under bet with this fight not likely to make it much past round 1 (+130).
Prediction: Houston via technical knockout
Joe Doerksen (+140) vs. Ed Herman (-170)
Another fight of the night here ... Okay, that's a load of crap. I'll be drinking a beer and then getting several more during this 15 minutes of fun. Doerksen is the ideal opponent for Herman because his standup is lackluster and his wrestling, submissions and ground and pound are not as good as Herman's.
Plain and simple as long as Doerksen hasn't found some significant new standup skills he'll be outpointed in yet another decision. I won't be betting on this fight because of both a lack of interest and a lack of value on either side.
Prediction: Herman via decision
Preliminary Bouts:
Thiago Alves (-200) vs. Chris Lytle (+160)
Alves is gaining great confidence and showing some fantastic aggressive abilities in all parts of his game. Still training with American Top Team, this young powerhouse poses a threat to opponents in all positions. His strength is in his standup and ground and pound.
Although he's matching up against someone who's never been stopped he's going to be the toughest competition Lytle has seen yet.
Yes, tougher than Matt Hughes.
Chris has been on a real rollercoaster ride over the last three years with losses in all of his "big" fights. Chris has some respectable standup but his forte is definitely his submission game. Unfortunately, Alves' strength and technical knowledge on the ground will nullify this possible advantage.
There is always a chance that Alves will make the same mistake he made against Fisher back in 2005. I'd say the chance of that is about 1 in 5.
Prediction: Alves via technical knockout
Akihiro Gono (-280) vs. Tamdan McCrory (+220)
This line is a steal.
Tamdan (8-0) may be a self proclaimed geek but he's also a 6'4" freak in the cage. He won his first six fights via technical knockout and his last two by submission, including Pete Spratt in his UFC debut.
Now I'm not singing him in as the next WW champion, but he is in a very winnable fight with Gono and has zero sense of fear.
Gono is very seasoned (27-12-7), but he is 5'9", making his UFC debut, and has not fought in a year. Yes, Gono has seen it all and is basically fighting a kid, but when you combine Tamdan's reach with Gono's incredibly upright posture in the stand up and you've got a recipe for a another geek attack win.
He is following Ryo in stepping down from 183 to 170 pounds, but he's also said that his ideal fight weight may be 155.
Hmm ... very interesting.
This is a huge test for Tamdan but I the current line is only giving him a little better than a 30 percent chance. With the physical match up and Gono making his Octagon debut, Tamdan's odds should be much closer to even money.
Prediction: Tamdan via technical knockout
Marcus Aurelio (-500) vs. Luke Caudillo (+350)
Hmmm ... A 5 to 1 favorite on a three-fight losing streak. Yes, his losses were to a couple of very good PRIDE FC fighters and Clay Guida in his UFC debut. Normally, odds this out of whack would inspire a dog bet.
Not this time.
Luke Caudillo does have solid hands but his biggest weak point has been his tendency to get submitted. Not to mention that he hasn't faced anyone of Aurelio's caliber. No reason to put any cabbage on either side of this one.
Prediction: Aurelio via submision
Joe Lauzon (-400) vs. Jason Reinhardt (+280)
Not much to say on this one.
Jason is moving up from about 135 pounds to make his UFC debut. He is unbeaten but all of his competition was no where near Lauzon's caliber.
Joe has been training with BJ Penn and is another large lightweight with a very strong aggressive fight style. This will likely be a quick walkthrough for Joe. No value for a bet at these odds.
Prediction: Lauzon via technical knockout
That about does it for this installment of betting tips and advice. UFC 78 is a solid (not spectacular) card that does offer some intriguing betting options.
Remember to bet smart.
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Enjoy the fights and good luck.
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Chonan and Fisher look like great value plays. Parisyan’s name recognition in America compared to Chonan’s is enough to entice a lot of novice gamblers to bet on The Heat, which is forcing a wide betting line in what should be a close fight. And how Fisher is a dog to Frank Edgar is a mystery to me. Edgar is good, but Fisher has proven himself time and again.
by pw on Nov 16, 2007 1:32 PM EST reply actions
Edgar has proven himself against Tyson Griffin, which means a lot.
by shamo84 on Nov 16, 2007 1:51 PM EST reply actions
Edgar has proven himself against Tyson Griffin, which means a lot.
Good point shamo84.
by JonnyBoy on Nov 16, 2007 2:10 PM EST reply actions
if your investing $40 into the ufc ppv and your losing money gambling on fights you might want to consider another hobby
by dia Mette on Nov 16, 2007 2:42 PM EST reply actions
I lose way more money gambling on football than I do on fights.
by pw on Nov 16, 2007 2:52 PM EST reply actions
“just remember he was getting his ass kicked for most of that fight.”
Um…Having just re-watched that fight recently, it was pretty obvious that Chonan was easily winning that fight when when he pulled off the flying scissor heel hook.
by itsterry on Nov 16, 2007 4:20 PM EST reply actions
I’m confused about the assessment of the Doerkson fight. Dog didn’t mention that he holds a win over Herman. Wouldn’t that play a part in the betting decision?
by Noel on Nov 16, 2007 4:25 PM EST reply actions
if your investing $40 into the ufc ppv and your losing money gambling on fights you might want to consider another hobby
I actually make pretty good money betting on the UFC. I bet on every pay per view, and I havent lost money in an event in over a year and a half. I usually bet 2 – 4 fights per night.
by john on Nov 16, 2007 6:09 PM EST reply actions
“just remember he was getting his ass kicked for most of that fight.”
Um…Having just re-watched that fight recently, it was pretty obvious that Chonan was easily winning that fight when when he pulled off the flying scissor heel hook.
chonan out struck anderson silva for over 18 minutes before pulling off that scissor heel hook. Chonan would have easily won a decision had he not finished silva. Also silva was hitting chonan with great shots, that have knocked out everyone in the UFC so far, but chonan took the shots, heck they didnt even slow him down one bit. What about chonans landing amazing leg kick combos throughout the whole fight against silva. Chonan is gonna beat Karo. The best bet of the night is bet that the Karo vs. Chonan fight lasts over a round and a half. Thats a lock. Karo never finishes fights, and is very tough to finish. Chonan does not get submitted, I have seen him escape every submission thrown at him rather easily, and the only people to have KO’ed chonan were Baroni and Henderson who are to very big hitters. Karo cant pack a punch like that. Chonan via decision!
by john on Nov 16, 2007 6:13 PM EST reply actions
I could understand if the odds were even on the fisher and edgar fight were even, but no way should fischer be an underdog. He may loose, it is a very close fight, but Spencer is way too seasoned to be an underdog. Too close to bet money on.
by john on Nov 16, 2007 6:15 PM EST reply actions
Just threw down a little cash on Fisher at plus-110 and Chonan at plus-300. I like those odds, and if only one of them wins I still come out ahead.
by PW on Nov 16, 2007 6:37 PM EST reply actions
I just bet all my money at mmaplayground on chonan.
by mattchupichu on Nov 16, 2007 8:05 PM EST reply actions
I agree with that.
I was reading the “ass kicked” comment and thinking “… WHAT?”
Chonan was beating Anderson Silva up until that point anyway in my opinion. Anderson was “kicking Chonan’s ass” about as much as Bisping was against Hamill. I mean, you can disagree that Chonan was winning but to say he was getting his ass kicked…
chonan out struck anderson silva for over 18 minutes before pulling off that scissor heel hook. Chonan would have easily won a decision had he not finished silva. Also silva was hitting chonan with great shots, that have knocked out everyone in the UFC so far, but chonan took the shots, heck they didnt even slow him down one bit. What about chonans landing amazing leg kick combos throughout the whole fight against silva. Chonan is gonna beat Karo. The best bet of the night is bet that the Karo vs. Chonan fight lasts over a round and a half. Thats a lock. Karo never finishes fights, and is very tough to finish. Chonan does not get submitted, I have seen him escape every submission thrown at him rather easily, and the only people to have KO’ed chonan were Baroni and Henderson who are to very big hitters. Karo cant pack a punch like that. Chonan via decision!
by ShatteredDreams on Nov 17, 2007 1:19 AM EST reply actions
I’m confused about the assessment of the Doerkson fight. Dog didn’t mention that he holds a win over Herman. Wouldn’t that play a part in the betting decision?
Yeah i noticed that also, Instead it almost sounds lke he saying Herman holds a win over Doerkson. If i was betting a would put my money on Herman but i dunno how much clout Doerksons win has in betting odds it should have some you would think.
by Thor1982 on Nov 17, 2007 6:31 PM EST reply actions

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