Brock Lesnar out to prove doubters wrong in UFC

Im gonna have to agree with the guy. He has 18 years of wrestling, a NCAA title, and being a pro-wrestler and NFL hopefull definantly keep him shape.

He is bigger and faster than most (if not all) of the current heavyweights.

But he has never been HIT in the mouth, we will see if he can take a punch and use his size to his advantage.

He is gonna be the stronger wrestler in the HW, he may be able to take everyone down and GnP…

i totally agree with him, the guy is alot more qualified then some of the guys fighting main stage and also i think that he is a complete monster who is going to be very exciting to watch fighting – im thinking tim silva / vera for the first fight .

I have no doubt that Brock will be able to take down fighters, but will he be another Jake O’brien? Can he finish UFC heavyweights with GNP? Does he have submission defense? Can he pass gaurd? I’m not doubting his wrestling ability, but it’s not 1993 anymore. Is he going to be well rounded or one dimensional?

I say to Brock, no one is questioning your talent, we’re questioning your expierence. You have 1 pro MMA fight. UFC fighters are more seasoned than that.

He probably is qualified, but with so much wrestling background and not much else, I think he may end up being a boring fighter to watch. I smell some lay n’ pray.

i totally agree with him, the guy is alot more qualified then some of the guys fighting main stage and also i think that he is a complete monster who is going to be very exciting to watch fighting – im thinking tim silva / vera for the first fight .

id love to see him against big tim, but dana said he definately wont be put in their with the big guns straight away – he will have to work his way up, i see his 1st fight against any of these guys :-
Cruz Marcio
Imes Brad
Justin McCully
Mir Frank
Eddie Sanchez

all are good established fighters with a good chance to upset Lesnar

Frank Mir is not a good match-up for Lesnar, especially for his first time in the octagon. Lesnar would get the takedown, but Mir has such great submissions he would catch Brock pretty quickly. I’d like to see Brock beat the crap out Tito’s boy McCully. The Insain 1 has to be among the worst nicknames in all of MMA.

He probably is qualified, but with so much wrestling background and not much else, I think he may end up being a boring fighter to watch. I smell some lay n’ pray.

Ya, he’ll lay you out and leave you praying for forgiveness. You obviously didn’t see his fight, he won’t “lay & pray” but he would blast you in that position.

I’d like to see what this guy can do in the octagon. Alot of pure blooded wrestlers with little mma experience get in there and use their size and skill to do nothing more than blanket their opponent and turn the fight into nothing more than a glorified wrestling match. Talk all the shit you want to about his pro wrestling backround but you’ve got to remember that alot of other big names in the Japanese circuit originated from pro wrestling roots with the sense to put on a hell of a show as well as a great fight for mma fans. Sakuraba comes to mind…

Frank Mir is not a good match-up for Lesnar, especially for his first time in the octagon. Lesnar would get the takedown, but Mir has such great submissions he would catch Brock pretty quickly. I’d like to see Brock beat the crap out Tito’s boy McCully. The Insain 1 has to be among the worst nicknames in all of MMA.

Frank mir isnt exactly top tier anymore, so if lesnar cant handle him, maybe he isnt ready for the UFC… ? personally i see this as a good fight – size and strength v skill and technique – 50/50 chance for both guys. Unless Mir is going to quit MMA soon, this would put him back on the map if he was to win – id like to see a top shape Mir back in the game again

You can’t doubt his sincerity. He really seems to want to be good, and I think that is what sets him apart from other pro wrestlers, and even some experienced MMA fighters who come into the octagon, they promise a show and entertainment. Brock hasn’t been talking about how entertaining he’s going to be, but he has been talking about how dedicated he is to winning fights. I’ll be quite curious come superbowl weekend.

Man this guy looks like an animal, he looks like he can crush a guys head with his bare hands, I feel bad for who ever gets this beast first.

I’d like to see what this guy can do in the octagon. Alot of pure blooded wrestlers with little mma experience get in there and use their size and skill to do nothing more than blanket their opponent and turn the fight into nothing more than a glorified wrestling match. Talk all the shit you want to about his pro wrestling backround but you’ve got to remember that alot of other big names in the Japanese circuit originated from pro wrestling roots with the sense to put on a hell of a show as well as a great fight for mma fans. Sakuraba comes to mind…

Great point Gene. I think he can make a name for himself in mma. I don’t think he will be like sherk. I mean he wont just take a guy down and not finish him. If Brock g n’ p’s someone with his elbows and forearms, he will do some serious damage. But can he pass the guard? how is his submission defense? what’s his standeup look like? can he take a punch? there are many unanswered questions about Brock, and I for one will be very curious to see him perform during his UFC debut.

Hell give him eddie sanchez. Eddie stepped up and fought against cro cop- when he was still considered one of the best in the world. I am sure the UFC can get him in the cage with Brock.

Does anyone know how much Brock weighs? Will he be able to make the 260 lb weight?

I was watching this guy when he made his mma debut and he has some vicious ground and pound,should be a nice adition to the ufc

He probably is qualified, but with so much wrestling background and not much else, I think he may end up being a boring fighter to watch. I smell some lay n’ pray.

I currently disagree. Brock Lesnar is filled with aggression. He will not be trying to win decisions, especially by lying on top of his opponent. I don’t expect his first couple of fight to last past the first round. I personally think that he should be working on his submission defense and clinch/standup the most. Can you imagine a well rounded Brock Lesnar? Every other HW I’ve seen at his height and weight have been super slow. He is very explosive. When Brock first started talking crap saying that he can beat all the fighters in the UFC a year ago, I thought he was out of his mind. But the more I get to know about him and what he’s been doing over the past two years, I seriously think that the HW division better look out, but at least, not for another year or so. I am actually excited to see him in the octagon.

I think most of you have missed the part where he has trained in MMA for almost 2 years. He’s been training Jiu-Jitsu and stand up. I’m pretty sure he can pass the guard, along with all the other basic ground fighting techniques. I think his ground and pound will be better than most fighters. Look out for him to be a freak.

Frank mir isnt exactly top tier anymore, so if lesnar cant handle him, maybe he isnt ready for the UFC… ? personally i see this as a good fight – size and strength v skill and technique – 50/50 chance for both guys. Unless Mir is going to quit MMA soon, this would put him back on the map if he was to win – id like to see a top shape Mir back in the game again

We know Mir hasnt been on top lately but still if this fight happened…. Mir would easily submit Lesnar. All Mir would need is an ankle lock and we all know Lesnar would freak out and tap similar to Sylvia tapping against AA. Theres no doubt that Lesnar has potential but I feel like he will need some experience before taking on a submission expert. I mean lets take Lesnar vs Crocop. Cro Cop would get mauled by Lesnar if Lesnars wrestling is truly that good. But put Lesnar against Mir or even Werdum…. forget about it. Submission first round. Lesnar loses.

Hummm.. Who who be a good matchup? I have to say I like Brad Imes. Hey how about Heath Herring?

to be 6-2 and 265 pounds I think the big question regards his endurance..

any good striker with a decent take down defense could crush this guy. He isnt used to getting hit and judging by his training video, doesnt look like he knows how to throw a punch either.

Brock should go train with Couture!! Brocks a monster and shouldnt have a problem taking anybody to the ground. Theres the question to how good his submissions defence is but honestly how are u going to be able to take a tree stub and submit it? He’s a MONSTER. With the right training brock could go far in the UFC!!

Ya, he’ll lay you out and leave you praying for forgiveness. You obviously didn’t see his fight, he won’t “lay & pray” but he would blast you in that position.

The guy he fought was a total bum…

Its not just about offense… its about defense aswell. Will he has as good of a ground game as Nog? Will he be able to take a Cro Cop leg kick, or a Sylvia overhand?
There is tons to prove… a 1-0 record means about nothing.

I’m sure Brock will be ready for his fight. He’s been training for over 2 years, so he should be ready for anything. Obviously his wrestling will be unmatched in the heavy weight division. Training in BJJ he probably practices submission defense and guard work everyday. It’s not like you’re grabbing a random wrestler from the WWE and throwing him into the octogon to be mauled. Lesnar has been training and I’m sure he has all the tools needed to succeed in the UFC. He’ll improve all facets of his game with each match.

I think Brock will be able to handle himself offensively on the ground and I doubt he’ll get submitted based on his college wrestling experience. Maybe it’s just the way he looks but I doubt he has a glass jaw either. If he’s going to lose, I see either someone picking him apart on standup or him gassing because he hasn’t spent enough time on cardio (or both).

I think Heath Herring would be a good first fight for him. Brock would probably come out on top but I think that would be a good warm up fight.

Well Bob Sapp did very well against Big Nog and compared to Sapp, Brock is The Wizard of Sambo.

Pure strenght (he looks like The Hulk!)and aggressiveness can take him far.

Still, I don’t think he’s ready yet for the big names so their strategy is good.

Brock should go train with Couture!! Brocks a monster and shouldnt have a problem taking anybody to the ground. Theres the question to how good his submissions defence is but honestly how are u going to be able to take a tree stub and submit it? He’s a MONSTER. With the right training brock could go far in the UFC!!

Couture would turn this guy into a match up of doom for anyone. Imagine Brock with the skills that Randy has. Sylvia would have died.

Im gonna have to agree with the guy.

He has 18 years of wrestling, a NCAA title, and being a pro-wrestler and NFL hopefull definantly keep him shape.

He is bigger and faster than most (if not all) of the current heavyweights.

But he has never been HIT in the mouth, we will see if he can take a punch and use his size to his advantage.

Andrei ARlovszky is the fastest heavyweight, then there is guys like crocop, werdum, check, etc… dude hesnt not the fastest.

Andrei ARlovszky is the fastest heavyweight, then there is guys like crocop, werdum, check, etc… dude hesnt not the fastest.

I will say AA has quicker hand speed, but for a guy that is 6"3 – 265 pounds and can run a 4.7 40 yard dash… I will say that is fast…

Check and Crocop have quick leg strikes… that it and Crocop is done anyway…

I personally think that Brock is going get knocked the fuck out in his first fight…but he has the quickest takedowns and could take some people down and GnP them… to death.. lol

I think we should all give him a chance, its proven that strong wrestling is a perfect building block to the whole MMA game, he has the athletic ability, and I am no fan of the WWE but with him being involved with that also has a benefit,i.e… he is use to proforming in front a large crowd, and even though WWE is fake the guys who put on that kind of show are typically in great shape, before we label him a bum let him loose a few times and than give him that branding, and on the other hand before we say he is the next big thing let him win a couple of good fights, anyone agree?

Pure strenght (he looks like The Hulk!)and aggressiveness can take him far.
Still, I don’t think he’s ready yet for the big names so their strategy is good.

He isnt that big… Atleast now off of roids. Muscle size has about nothing to do with it… look at how strong Randy is at 225lbs…
Am I the only one seeing the tummy hang from Lesnar up there? Oh I know… Im just a hater!

Tell the F’er to get a damn tan.

In WWE the outcomes of the matches are predetermined to create or advance story lines. The physicality is much more realistic than most people on this forum think. They are really taking punches and kicks, really falling almost 10 feet onto concrete when they go over the ropes to the floor, really getting hit with chairs, ring posts, etc. It is a violent industry, and the athleticism and toughness of the WWE roster is on par with any NFL team’s. Lesnar has athletic ability up there with GSP and Koscheck, and I guarantee he can take some shots. Nobody in UFC is going to walk over him.

What’s his standup going to look like?

In WWE the outcomes of the matches are predetermined to create or advance story lines. The physicality is much more realistic than most people on this forum think. They are really taking punches and kicks, really falling almost 10 feet onto concrete when they go over the ropes to the floor, really getting hit with chairs, ring posts, etc. It is a violent industry, and the athleticism and toughness of the WWE roster is on par with any NFL team’s. Lesnar has athletic ability up there with GSP and Koscheck, and I guarantee he can take some shots. Nobody in UFC is going to walk over him.

I agree. I’ve seen Brock take multiple steel chair shots to the face and not even fall down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auygN4vnHYU
I must have watched that video a thousand times. I have it on vhs at my house. I left the tape in that spot for 5 years, lol.

this dude is gonna bring a lot of heat man…i don’t know how it’s going to turn out…BUT…he is a nasty guy come fight time…kinda unstable looking…i’d give him a real shot to hurt some people with that explosive power…hope he has been working on everything else…kos-check made a big jump up skill wise…i see no reason why this genetic freak can’t…plus, he’s a smart fella…INTERESTING STUFF…

The Heavyweight version of Sean Sherk … my man

I currently disagree. Brock Lesnar is filled with aggression. He will not be trying to win decisions, especially by lying on top of his opponent. I don’t expect his first couple of fight to last past the first round. I personally think that he should be working on his submission defense and clinch/standup the most. Can you imagine a well rounded Brock Lesnar? Every other HW I’ve seen at his height and weight have been super slow. He is very explosive. When Brock first started talking crap saying that he can beat all the fighters in the UFC a year ago, I thought he was out of his mind. But the more I get to know about him and what he’s been doing over the past two years, I seriously think that the HW division better look out, but at least, not for another year or so. I am actually excited to see him in the octagon.

He’s going to be tough, but I don’t expect him to get any better than a Kevin Randleman.. Randleman is the same body type, athletic ability and similar wrestling qualifications, Brocks standup isn’t that good… only heart and intelligence can separate Lesnar & Randleman.

oh’’’ and of course 60lbs or so can seperate Randleman and Brock… won’t change their ability to take a punch to the head though

ITHINK THEY NEED A TOURNEY (GRAND PRIX)TO DECIDE NEXT HEAVY WEIGHT CHAMPION DO IT OVER 2 PPV AND A COUPLE OF FIGHT NIGHTS THAT WOULDD BR AWESONE BRINGING BACK THE OLD SCHOOL

ITLL NEVER HAPPEN

I want to see him at 265.

The ufc will throw him a piece of meat to beat up on..i’m sure dana don’t want him losing his first fight.

ITHINK THEY NEED A TOURNEY (GRAND PRIX)TO DECIDE NEXT HEAVY WEIGHT CHAMPION DO IT OVER 2 PPV AND A COUPLE OF FIGHT NIGHTS THAT WOULDD BR AWESONE BRINGING BACK THE OLD SCHOOL

Why’s it matter… Noguera is obviously one of the best there has ever been (Im actually pissed Randy wont fight him..)
Unless you’re Fedor, Nog has beaten, and will beat you.

The Heavyweight version of Sean Sherk … my man

Boring, Complete Idiot, Head in the clouds, One-Dimensional, you mean that Sean Sherk?

Brock Lesnar = Next UFC Heavy Weight Champion

Brock Lesnar = Next UFC Heavy Weight Champion

That’s like saying Heath Herring is Cool. Or Forrest Griffin’s ears don’t stick out too much, or Matt Hughes is really intelligent. It’s not true, and makes no sense.

i don’t follow wrestling but was Lesnar ever caught doing steroids. A lot of people on this site have mentioned it numerous times. If all you are going on is that he was a WWE star than thats pretty ridiculous. you can’t tell me that every star in the WWE is on roids or that every football player is either. stereotypes are bullshit

The Heavyweight version of Sean Sherk … my man

Hey Kev, did you know that he has been doing a lot of training with Sherk up in Minnesota too?

Its not just about offense… its about defense aswell. Will he has as good of a ground game as Nog?

Ooops, meant to hit Quote one more time, not Submit. But I was going to say that comparing a newcomer to mma’s ground game to Big Nog’s just isn’t fair. It’s actually quite ridiculous. Name me any HW that has a better ground game than Big Nog? And when it comes to answers, Frank Mir is a Big Not.

That’s like saying Heath Herring is Cool. Or Forrest Griffin’s ears don’t stick out too much, or Matt Hughes is really intelligent. It’s not true, and makes no sense.

any good striker with a decent take down defense could crush this guy. He isnt used to getting hit and judging by his training video, doesnt look like he knows how to throw a punch either.

Some fighters have really good take down defense, such as Chuck Liddell and BJ Penn, but when someone with the size and strengh of Lesnar comes after you, you’re going down. He’ll have no problem lifting anyone and slamming them.

Totally unrelated to Brock Lesnar, but CHECK OUT this hockey fight. Its the single greatest punch thrown in the history of hockey. I remember seeing this over and over on Sportscenter. You want to talk about a left cross!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PlNzARV0XM

Not your typical hockey fight either, no holding the jersey and blindy throwing a single fist at the opponent.

Trust me. Watch this clip if you like to see KO’s!!!!!

i don’t follow wrestling but was Lesnar ever caught doing steroids. A lot of people on this site have mentioned it numerous times. If all you are going on is that he was a WWE star than thats pretty ridiculous. you can’t tell me that every star in the WWE is on roids or that every football player is either. stereotypes are bullshit

He’s never tested positive for anything that I’m aware of. I’m about 90-95% sure he is clean.

hmm he needs to be in there with someone not as experienced as heath herring. heath could be his second fight. for his his first fight lets see him in there with an eddie sanchez type:

dan christinson
antoni hardonk
kevin jordan
scott junk
christian wellish

HE CAN NOT PUNCH! SO WHAT IF HE TAKES PEOPLE DOWN, WHAT THE HELL IS HE GOING TO DO NEXT?

He’s going to be tough, but I don’t expect him to get any better than a Kevin Randleman.. Randleman is the same body type, athletic ability and similar wrestling qualifications, Brocks standup isn’t that good… only heart and intelligence can separate Lesnar & Randleman.

That would be a good comeback, except that Randleman is one of the most physically talented fighters in the world. Heart, intelligence, dedication, whatever. . . those qualities are the only things separating Randleman from the MMA stratosphere. If Lesnar has the physical tools of Randleman with the dedication and willingness to go to extremes to improve himself, the sky is the limit.

Anyone who thinks he walks around at 260lbs is fooling themselves… roided out with the WWE he was 255, but the WWE claimed he was 295.
Min Soo Kim to UFC HW Champ… sure thing.
You will figure out exactly how much he weights @ the first UFC weight in…

Guess Dana got it right, can make $$ from Internet Knuckleheads..

Brock’s weight is insignificant because of his wrestling background. Cutting weight for a wrestler is second nature. Bottomline is that the HW division is going to have a hard time dealing with this monster’s athletism, you can quote the Duce on that one.

This idea to bring brock to ufc was ingenious. I can obviously see this as being a stunt to bring worldwide fans to this sport, And making it way more popular. The way to do that is get recognized names like lesnar in this sport. They made sure when they did it though they got someone with the tools to back up their name. I cant wait for next year to see him take out his first opponent and then move towards a title shot. I’m picking experienced ufc fighters will get made to look ridiculous when he outpowers them. He should be similar to a jeff monson but more ferocious and killer instinct.

Ooops, meant to hit Quote one more time, not Submit. But I was going to say that comparing a newcomer to mma’s ground game to Big Nog’s just isn’t fair. It’s actually quite ridiculous. Name me any HW that has a better ground game than Big Nog? And when it comes to answers, Frank Mir is a Big Not.

I currently disagree. Brock Lesnar is filled with aggression. He will not be trying to win decisions, especially by lying on top of his opponent. I don’t expect his first couple of fight to last past the first round. I personally think that he should be working on his submission defense and clinch/standup the most. Can you imagine a well rounded Brock Lesnar? Every other HW I’ve seen at his height and weight have been super slow. He is very explosive. When Brock first started talking crap saying that he can beat all the fighters in the UFC a year ago, I thought he was out of his mind. But the more I get to know about him and what he’s been doing over the past two years, I seriously think that the HW division better look out, but at least, not for another year or so. I am actually excited to see him in the octagon.

I strongly agree with your post. At 1st, I thought this was just some sideshow freak stuff, but dude sounds real serious. He has been training for 2 years in mma, and he is probably the most explosive man at his size that competes in the UFC. He should stop by extreme couture because under Randy, he could learn a lot and become one nasty mma fighter!

BROOOOOCK LESSSSNAAAAAAAAR SMASSHHHH!

I hope they don’t give him too easy of a warm-up fight… they should make him fight Sylvia soon.

id love to see him against big tim, but dana said he definately wont be put in their with the big guns straight away – he will have to work his way up, i see his 1st fight against any of these guys :-
Cruz Marcio
Imes Brad
Justin McCully
Mir Frank
Eddie Sanchez

all are good established fighters with a good chance to upset Lesnar

Anyone who thinks he walks around at 260lbs is fooling themselves… roided out with the WWE he was 255, but the WWE claimed he was 295.
Min Soo Kim to UFC HW Champ… sure thing.
You will figure out exactly how much he weights @ the first UFC weight in…

Guess Dana got it right, can make $$ from Internet Knuckleheads..

So, i take it that you were there during his weigh-in’s at the doctor for his physical with your inside knowledge of exactly how much Brock weighs? Pro Wrestlers have to tailor their workouts to add bulk so they can LOOK bigger. You dont think he could weigh 260 ? Your fooling yourself if you think that. I have been saying for weeks that people here have been underestimating his ablility to become a good fighter. Now (once again) it seems that people are changing their tunes and giving Brock a better than average chance to be decent. Dont be so quick to judge people based on their former professions. Dude took his amature background and made some serious cash with it before he was even 25 old. You would have done the same thing if you could.

Lesnar to face Frank Mir Super Bowl Weekend

“years old”

I think Brock should fear the steriod test!

does anyone know exactly or close to how much lesnar is weighing?

for some reason i thought he was going to be fighting antoni hardonk, a guys with no takedown defense or ground game.

who cares how much he weighs. Someones whole argument was that Brock was “only” 255 as opposed to 260, 5 lbs which MMA fighters seem to be able to cut in 2 hours. Brock wont fail a steriods test and is going to win against Mir, and if i’m wrong.. somebody call me out.

Go brock, destroy everyone and prove them that they’re all wrong!!!They never saw a man like you in mma,show them the power of Pro Wrestler.

He isnt that big… Atleast now off of roids. Muscle size has about nothing to do with it… look at how strong Randy is at 225lbs…

Randy is a freak.

Assuming all else being equal (skill, endurance, experience etc.) the bigger guys usually win the fight because of that added strength advantage from their frame/size. otherwise, there’d be no need for weight classes.

So, i take it that you were there during his weigh-in’s at the doctor for his physical with your inside knowledge of exactly how much Brock weighs? Pro Wrestlers have to tailor their workouts to add bulk so they can LOOK bigger. You dont think he could weigh 260 ? Your fooling yourself if you think that. I have been saying for weeks that people here have been underestimating his ablility to become a good fighter. Now (once again) it seems that people are changing their tunes and giving Brock a better than average chance to be decent. Dont be so quick to judge people based on their former professions. Dude took his amature background and made some serious cash with it before he was even 25 old. You would have done the same thing if you could.

Someone can squash this agrument by looking at how much he weighed in at the K1 Heroes event against Min Soo Kim.