I’d love to see this.

This would be a good fight..for them both with their current situation.

The ufc can hype this one up on a good card.

Tito Ortiz I think would train for the length of time required for Shogun to recover from surgery and train for the fight, so that Shogun IS his next opponent. They would both want to win really bad, and if would be a hell of fight! I’d love to see this happen, hopefully Shogun will be his old self and Tito 100%!

Excellent match up. Now Joe Silva just needs to get it done. The 2 big questions – Which Tito will show up and Which Shogun will show up?

As usual the UFC has provided another great matchup

This is a big money bringer for the UFC. And not to mention the killer matchup. If ortiz comes back as the old Tito then Shogun might have a problem on his hands. Lets see it!

I don’t like Tito much but I think if Shogun comes to this the way he fought Forest, Shogun is in for some trouble from Tito.

The upside is that if Shogun has the stamina to get out of Tito’s first round rampage, he has a good chance on a decision. We’ve all seen that Tito gets a bit less agressive as he goes on.

I like Ortiz, but he’s definately one of the most overrated fighters in the LHW division. Can’t beat chuck, wont fight his friend Rampage, barely beat Griffen. Can’t beat Evans- he’s got no where to go right now.

Does anyone know why Ortiz never fought Babalu?? How did these two guys stand around in that division for so long and never fought??

id have to go with Tito GnP 2nd round – if tito’s the under dog i will defiantly put money on him

Even though I think Shogun is the much better fighter I think this is a bad style match for him. He’s willing to go to the ground and he’s willing to pull guard. If he’s not looking to avoid the takedown he’ll end up with Tito sitting in his guard all night. Which as we all know is the worst place to have Tito.

Did anyone read the full interview? Ninja talks about fighting for Cage Rage title in ’08. AFAIK Anderson Silva is still holding that belt. Will UFC let him defend it? Could be interesting

OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHH YYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

As usual the UFC has provided another great matchup

This matchup is no where near being official. Not until a bout agreement is signed by both fighters is the fight official. We all should have learned our lesson by now that every single fight we hear about, no matter what source its from, is not official until the papers are signed. I can think of like 20 examples off the top of my head, but all you need to do is scroll through the archives and see all the fights that were ‘supposed’ to happen, but never did. I mean, how many freaking opponents has Dan Henderson supposedly had since his fight with Rampage?

I hope Tito knocks him out

I like Shogun in this one for sure, if it ever happens.

GGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT! FINALLY get to see Tito fight somebody in the top 5 other than CHUCKY.

Forrest left Shogan looking like the elephant man, I wonder how he’ll look with Tito in his gaurd.

This matchup is no where near being official. Not until a bout agreement is signed by both fighters is the fight official. We all should have learned our lesson by now that every single fight we hear about, no matter what source its from, is not official until the papers are signed. I can think of like 20 examples off the top of my head, but all you need to do is scroll through the archives and see all the fights that were ‘supposed’ to happen, but never did. I mean, how many freaking opponents has Dan Henderson supposedly had since his fight with Rampage?

Good point.

wow, not a good match up for tito at all, i can’t see how he would let this fight happen…if it does happen, he’ll get (t)ko’d for sure, thats a guarantee…

It has been reported when Dana signed Shogun, he asked Shogun who would he like to fight and Shogun said Tito. Tito was once quoted saying that he’d never lose to a fighter from a third world country like Brazil and Shogun is not happy about that.

If this fight goes down, Shogun is going to come out like a bat outta hell.

I’d love to see Shogun mash the “potato head”…

wow, not a good match up for tito at all, i can’t see how he would let this fight happen…if it does happen, he’ll get (t)ko’d for sure, thats a guarantee…

I don’t think any of the top 8, maybe top 10, LHWs are a good match-up for Tito anymore.

Shogun better come out like a bat outta hell because back-to-back losses will not only wreck his UFC debut but also hurt the UFC. i think this fight is too risky for the UFC to schedule right now, given the other poor debuts of PRIDE fighters like Cro Cop. I’d think they’d throw Shogun a can before having him face Tito, because like it or not, Tito could actually win this fight (if it were to happen).

no way the UFC allows anyone to fight in Cage Rage ’08. NO WAY.

Shogun Vs Tito
Chuch VS Silva

Winners of each fight fight each other to get a title shot….

Which would give each fighter huge motivation but we would most likely see Shogun or Silva against Rampage..

Could be entertaining.

I don’t think any of the top 8, maybe top 10, LHWs are a good match-up for Tito anymore.

are you guys talking about Top 10 LHWs in the World or in the UFC? Because if you’re talking about in the UFC, Tito matches up quite well (wow, never thought I’d be sticking up for Tito). Both Griffin and Rashad are in the Top 10 in the UFC, and he beat both of them (Rashad only won one of those rounds). So that makes Tito’s recent record against Top 10 UFC LHWs 2-1.

Though I’m not convinced Tito will ever hold the LHW title again, I think we’ll see some decent wins out of him before he eventually retires. And I mean against top-10ers.

If this fight ever happened, I’d have to give the advantage to Tito. His punches may not look powerful, but from what Rashad Evens wrote in his UFC 78 prep article on UFC.com, he had underestimated Tito’s strength and explosiveness. And I don’t see how Shogun could outlast Tito’s cardio conditioning.

Advantage: Tito

Shogun Vs Tito
Chuch VS Silva

Winners of each fight fight each other to get a title shot….

Which would give each fighter huge motivation but we would most likely see Shogun or Silva against Rampage..

Could be entertaining.

I’m sorry, but what rationale can you give to make any of these fighters deserve a title shot. 2 are coming off back-to-back losses, 1 is coming off a draw and a loss, and one is coming off a loss. Why not look at fighters in the Top 10 who are on winning streaks?

Both Griffin and Rashad are in the Top 10 in the UFC, and he beat both of them (Rashad only won one of those rounds). So that makes Tito’s recent record against Top 10 UFC LHWs 2-1.

How can you say that he beat Rashad? yes… if he hadn’t grabbed the fence and lost that point he could have won the decision… but… the REASON the took the point is because the lose of any momentum/potential damage Tito would have taken from the incoming Rashad Slam and ground and pound.

Instead … the panzy grabbed the fence and slipped back down to his feet.

Shogun better come out like a bat outta hell because back-to-back losses will not only wreck his UFC debut but also hurt the UFC. i think this fight is too risky for the UFC to schedule right now, given the other poor debuts of PRIDE fighters like Cro Cop. I’d think they’d throw Shogun a can before having him face Tito, because like it or not, Tito could actually win this fight (if it were to happen).

no way the UFC allows anyone to fight in Cage Rage ’08. NO WAY.

 The Pride fighters might not have done so good, but look how much money they have brought the ufc from the exciting fights, the UFC doesnt really care if they win or lose as long as they bring ppvs (which = exciting fighters)

Tito needs more than 2 wins to get a title shot. In fact so does Shogun. Maybe Shogun could fight the winner of Chuck/Silva, but not for Title shot….But the next one after that, matbe. In time Shogun will hold that belt, just watch.

How can you say that he beat Rashad? yes… if he hadn’t grabbed the fence and lost that point he could have won the decision… but… the REASON the took the point is because the lose of any momentum/potential damage Tito would have taken from the incoming Rashad Slam and ground and pound.

Instead … the panzy grabbed the fence and slipped back down to his feet.

it’s a fine point, but at the end of the day, Tito’s fence grabbing was what cost him the W, because he had Rashad beat. meaning Tito beat himself, Rashad didn’t.

it’s a fine point, but at the end of the day, Tito’s fence grabbing was what cost him the W, because he had Rashad beat. meaning Tito beat himself, Rashad didn’t.

I’m sorry, but what rationale can you give to make any of these fighters deserve a title shot. 2 are coming off back-to-back losses, 1 is coming off a draw and a loss, and one is coming off a loss. Why not look at fighters in the Top 10 who are on winning streaks?

Couldn’t agree more…most the people on here have no clue….live in their own reality..the only why that is going to happen is on playstation. I dont see ortiz challenging for the title any time soon.

I really hope this fight happens. I want to see Shogun whoop some ass. Hopefully we don’t see the same Shogun that showed up against Forrest though.

I’m sorry, but what rationale can you give to make any of these fighters deserve a title shot. 2 are coming off back-to-back losses, 1 is coming off a draw and a loss, and one is coming off a loss. Why not look at fighters in the Top 10 who are on winning streaks?

Wandy’s 2 recent losses are to Henserson and Cro Cop, right? He also has a win over Henderson and 2 over Rampage. If he beat Chuck and then another top 10 LHW, he absolutely would be in lne for a title shot. He won’t fight Shogun though, so if they both won in the scenario above, the 2nd fight wouldn’t happen.

Shogun would destroy Tito, 2nd round TKO in favor of Chute Box, mark my word….

I’m sorry, but what rationale can you give to make any of these fighters deserve a title shot. 2 are coming off back-to-back losses, 1 is coming off a draw and a loss, and one is coming off a loss. Why not look at fighters in the Top 10 who are on winning streaks?

Who exactly in the top 10 are on winning streaks? Houston Alexander?

I dont know I think Tito would win this one , the only guys to really hurt him with punches was chuck, I dont see shogun knocking tito out unless he ups his cardio by 1000% and he throws a flurry that doesnt end until tito falls similar to Liddell vs Ortiz I , other than that i believe shogun will not be able to TKO Tito and if Tito doesnt finish it in the first then he might loose a decision, if shoguns ready cardiowise

[quote comment=“202975”]I like Ortiz, but he’s definately one of the most overrated fighters in the LHW division. Can’t beat chuck, wont fight his friend Rampage, barely beat Griffen. Can’t beat Evans- he’s got no where to go right now.

Can’t beat Evans…did you watch them fight? Tito won 13 minutes of a fifteen minute fight…draw or not…he beat him. First round of Griffin fight was a 10-8 round if I’ve ever seen one…wasnt as close a fight as everyone makes it out to be. Good try though…watch the fights before you post

AND….why is everyone saying Tito isn’t a top ten fighter…and Rashad is? have you lost your minds? I agree with everyone that says they deserve a title shot…if Tito fought Forrest again…to the ground and win. If Tito fought Jardine…to the ground and win. When he fights Rashad again…he wont lose a point…and win. Shogun, Tito, still Chuckles, and Wanderlei…are realistic title fighters with another win or two. Bisping and Evans are the worst main event in UFC history. neither of them are top ten fighters…Bisping lost to Hamil, and Evans was controlled by Tito for 13 minutes and Tito pissed the win away…and lets not forget Rashad getting saved by the bell on the Guillotine! Then he shoots to a main event…hip hip hurray! We need to do a realistic Top Ten…the Tuf fighters aren’t that great…and a waste of time (except Forrest is fun awesome to watch,still not great though) on PPV!

I think Tito would win- he’s bigger, stronger, a better wrestler, probably has better conditioning, has a great chin, and has more cage experience. I really hope this happens.

Shogun would destroy Tito, 2nd round TKO in favor of Chute Box, mark my word….

Thats what they said about Forrest… (I know Shogun was injured, but Forrest was too)

It all comes down to who shows up that night. The old Tito is a contender no matter who he is fighting (excluding Liddel).

Come on people How can anyone believe Tito has a chance against Shogun. Tito has not looked good in a fight since Shamrock. And everyone knows that Shamrock has been making everyone look like a superstars. It is sad to say but Tito is done, he is still a good fighter, but far from great. Shogun will come in much more prep aired for the octagon, in better shape and put a hole through Tito. I don’t think this will be a fight, I think it will be the first “Classic Shogun style ass kicking” that we have been used to in Pride, and it will Finlay take place in the UFC. Did no one else see how bad Tito looked against Ra shad?….Ra shad who has defeated great names like Salomon and Imes, What I’m trying to say is that Ra shad is good not great and he looked way better then Tito, and if that fight gone any further Ra shad would have finished him. Same with Griffin, if the fight went another round Tito would have been destroyed. They need to ship Tito cause he will keep taking the PPV spots of other more deserving fighters. Although he will soon be the very definition of a “Stepping-stone” and I guess you need those around.

R.I.P. Tito… That being said, I think this will be a good fight but Shogun by KO round 2 or 3.

If Tito was 100%, he would mash Rampage into the ground… Im not a big tito fan at all… but seeing Forrest win the war on the ground.. Tito would DOMINATE on the ground.

If Tito was 100%, he would mash Rampage into the ground… Im not a big tito fan at all… but seeing Forrest win the war on the ground.. Tito would DOMINATE on the ground.

dude, with all do respect you’re high on crack. Dan Henderson, and olympic wrestler, couldn’t keep Rampage down…you think Tito will be able too? That’s really funny….Tito is past his prime, the only person he’ll ever be able to decisively beat is Ken Shamrock.

AND….why is everyone saying Tito isn’t a top ten fighter…and Rashad is? have you lost your minds? I agree with everyone that says they deserve a title shot…if Tito fought Forrest again…to the ground and win. If Tito fought Jardine…to the ground and win. When he fights Rashad again…he wont lose a point…and win.

And who said this, Jermaine Ortiz?

As usual the UFC has provided another great matchup

Are you a Zuffa plant?

If Tito was 100%, he would mash Rampage into the ground… Im not a big tito fan at all… but seeing Forrest win the war on the ground.. Tito would DOMINATE on the ground.

You mean SHogun, right? Rampage would own Tito and Forest.

im kinda neutral on both fighters but would like to see this one pan out.i’d put my money on shogun.tito could’nt even beat rashad.

dude, with all do respect you’re high on crack. Dan Henderson, and olympic wrestler, couldn’t keep Rampage down…you think Tito will be able too? That’s really funny….Tito is past his prime, the only person he’ll ever be able to decisively beat is Ken Shamrock.

Thats what they said about Forrest… (I know Shogun was injured, but Forrest was too)

Tito doesn’t impress me but one thing that does is his cardio and hopefully shogun realizes how important cario is or this fight won’t go past the second round.

TITO IS A GIRL

he was supposed to fight at 78 but never answered Dana’s calls then he said he wants to take time off and now he changes his mind

He caught Rashad in the guillotine BECAUSE he repositioned himself and regained his balance by . . . wait fot it . . . grabbing the fence. Without the fence grab Rashad drives Tito straight through the mat, lands in side control and wears him out for the rest of the round.

good fight if it ever happens, i thought he was gonna fight evans then hendo now this.
he needs to fight someone i see shogun beating him by knockout.

Well, in the case of Tito Vs. Forrest, I believe Forrest has improved his game and evolved while Tito has not. If they were to fight again, I’d put my money on Forrest.

I was as surprised as anyone that Shogun gassed in his last fight but I doubt that conditioning is going to be an issue again. Shogun is a smart fighter and I believe he will learn from his debut and come back a better fighter.

Couldn’t agree more…most the people on here have no clue….live in their own reality..the only why that is going to happen is on playstation. I dont see ortiz challenging for the title any time soon.

Sure why not, but is that what the match maker at UFC is doing?
There are many fighters that we could put in the mix for the belt, Huston, Forest, Jardine to name a few.
UFC will go and put together fights that fill the seats and sell PPV’s.
Why do you think they still set up the Chuck/Wandy fight?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I only stated that it “Could be entertaining”.

Ask Dana who he would have fight Rampage next…….
Bisping? Evans?
I am sure they are worthy of the main event right?

GGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT! FINALLY get to see Tito fight somebody in the top 5 other than CHUCKY.
Forrest left Shogan looking like the elephant man, I wonder how he’ll look with Tito in his gaurd.

I’m a huge Pride fan and thought Rua would dominate EVERYONE but wow Forrest is an animal. I guess Rua isnt as good as i thought or maybe he just had a bad showing but either way, I dont think Tito is even top 10 and I see Tito gassing out and getting finished, Chuck Style

Excellent match up. Now Joe Silva just needs to get it done. The 2 big questions – Which Tito will show up and Which Shogun will show up?

I agree. Potentially, Tito can ge given the beating of his life, that is if the old shogun were to show up, and I for one wouldn’t miss it for the world.

I agree. Potentially, Tito can ge given the beating of his life, that is if the old shogun were to show up, and I for one wouldn’t miss it for the world.

i will be the black sheep and call tito, if he ever fights again, to win this matchup. i dont think shogun has good enough striking to knock him out and tito is to strong when it gets to the clinch.

plus i still say that shogun should move to 185.

i will be the black sheep and call tito, if he ever fights again, to win this matchup. i dont think shogun has good enough striking to knock him out and tito is to strong when it gets to the clinch.

plus i still say that shogun should move to 185.

When Shogun fought Forest he looked like he could make 185lbs, he didn’t look cut or like he had a hard time making that weight, but I don’t know.

Even though I think Shogun is the much better fighter I think this is a bad style match for him. He’s willing to go to the ground and he’s willing to pull guard. If he’s not looking to avoid the takedown he’ll end up with Tito sitting in his guard all night. Which as we all know is the worst place to have Tito.

Yup, was thinking the exact same thing.

It sort of depends on whether or not Shogun was on roids in Pride. It seems a little suspicious to see how different he was against Forrest. If it was just ill preparation, I’ll take Shogun all the way. This is a great matchup for the UFC. Ortiz is washed up anyway. They don’t need him to win, they just need a familiar face and name to get mashed on by their young up and comers. Rua is good looking and entertaining. Dana loves those types and always looks to run them through the ranks (Roger Huerta etc).

Why doesn’t Shogun fight at 185lbs? He looked really small compared to Forrest. If Rich Franklin can make 185, Shogun should have no problem.

TITO IS A GIRL

he was supposed to fight at 78 but never answered Dana’s calls then he said he wants to take time off and now he changes his mind

Yeah, I’m sure you would say that to his face.

Hell, my granny can take Tito.

You mean SHogun, right? Rampage would own Tito and Forest.

Yeah, I’m sure you would say that to his face.

Why is all of a sudden everyone giving Tito so much respect? He’s not the old tito and never will be. Those days are over. Shogun would kill him.

Why is all of a sudden everyone giving Tito so much respect? He’s not the old tito and never will be. Those days are over. Shogun would kill him.

of course he will Tito will get KO’d