It’s all your fault!

Too arrogant.

Cheap Ass!

couldnt you get fight set up between rampage and coutoure for one last fight? what a fight that would be!!

I agree, Dana’s arrogant and I know he didn’t see this coming.
I think this will help the sport in the long run, fighters must be taken care of.

You have to know that Dana is boiling mad.

But its a business stuff like this happens.

I hope we will see Fedor fight Couture in M-1 in the future.All we can do is hope.

Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.

Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.

Please dont ever post anything again.

Please dont ever post anything again.

I second that. The guys has done nothing but good for the sport. He’s been involved in tons of big time fights. He handles himself with class, and he seems to be one of the few guys who made it to the peak and stayed grounded as a human being. He’s not ungrateful, and I don’t blame him for wanting to move on to the next set of challenges in his life. Truly hardcore fans understand what he’s accomplished and how he’s done it, and we have nothing but respect for him.

Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.

You are a joke, Randy Couture is the greatest champion in history. And no one is a coward for coming out of retirement at 43 to fight a 6’8" monster and then a 240 pound jiujitsu world champion a few months later.

Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.

Nine Duce, that’s the most idiotic thing I’ve read all day.

Otherwise, Dana’s statement seems like a weird sort of denial. Randy didn’t say that he wasn’t ever going to fight again, right? He just resigned from his UFC contract. I don’t know if Dana just doesn’t want to admit it to himself or if this is some kind of jab at Randy that he’ll never fight again unless it’s with the UFC.

Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.

 
That may be the single dumbest statement ever posted. And I have posted some pretty stupid stuff. That’s a winner. Mark it. Oct 11, dumbest post in the history of mania

Randy Couture sets the bar for what a champion should be.

“JRV
Oct 11th, 2007 at 4:51 pm Quote this comment
Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.”

Please dont ever post anything again.

I SECOND THAT.

i love randy but it’s time for brock.bring the pain

If M-1 lands Randy to fight Fedor in 8 months they could put together the biggest ppv in mma history.

Anyone been over to Sherdog in the last 2 hours? The Pride fanatics are eating this whole situation up and running w/ it. All of the anti Dana White posts are starting to resurface. It’s pretty pathetic, actually.

hmm . . .interesting that he doesnt mention randy’s comments on upper management problems with ufc that contributed to his resigning.

I hope you’re trolling, if you honestly believe that Randy is a coward then you don’t deserve to be (period, big EMPHATIC PERIOD)

I would like Dana White to address the fact that he was paying Randy Couture 1/8 of what he was willing to pay Fedor.

This could play out in favor of the fighters and fans. I cannot offically confirm this, but it appears that Mark Cuban may be one of the major owners of M-1; If this is the case, it will be the first time an organization other than UFC will have the existing talented fighters and sufficient funding to lure and entice other top talent to sign under their banner. This would serve the fighters, who will have the ability to competitively negotiate again, and the viewers to see more fights.

Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.

I have to agree that randy didn’t deserve a title shot, but i wouldn’t call him a coward. I do think he had a little more to prove, he could have fought Nog or gave Sylvia a rematch. If he’s got nothing more to prove, then Fedor does not need to prove anything either. Oh and Couture is not the greatest champ in history, I love him but come on!

And before someone attempts to shoot this down. Yes, Mark already has HDNet Fights. He is also seeking ownership of additonal fight promotions that would allow him to own additonal fighters contracts (similar to UFC,WEC)

Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.

What a douche bag. You should be thankfull that you had the chance to see such a great fighter. I respect his descision. He is the greatest.

“JRV
Oct 11th, 2007 at 4:51 pm Quote this comment
Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.”

Please dont ever post anything again.

I SECOND THAT.

This Guy clearly doesnt know what it takes to be a true champ…And randy is for sure

Dana white and Randy are both lieing. Randy leaving has to do with Fedor not signing plus him not getting paid enough as opposed to what Dana offered Fedor. For example even though Chuck liddell is not the champ anymore he still gets paid more than rampage. I guess u have to kiss up to DW to get the big bucks. I wouldn’t be suprised if Randy shows up on IFL,BODOG or even M-1 to fight Fedor. Randy leaving is definetly a low blow for the UFC. Randy is a household name and will be a great asset in any company.

I have to agree that randy didn’t deserve a title shot, but i wouldn’t call him a coward. I do think he had a little more to prove, he could have fought Nog or gave Sylvia a rematch. If he’s got nothing more to prove, then Fedor does not need to prove anything either. Oh and Couture is not the greatest champ in history, I love him but come on!

Randy was a 2 time hvyweight champion before he fought Silva and a light heavyweight champion, the only fighter in UFC history to win 2 different weight class titles… he comes back and destoryed the then current champion..Tim S.. (now he’s a 4 time champion and make that 3 time heavyweight champion)…. and he didn’t deserve a title shot? Come on!!!
He may not have the best overall record in history, but he has the most titles in any MMA organization.. it’s always debatable who’s the best… Is it the guy that’s held the title the longest? Or the guy with the best record? Or the guy with the most belts?… Who knows?

So what FFL is saying if confirmed later on… is basically that the UFC bought Pride for absolutley NO reason. M1 will basically eat up all the non signed fighters and create the old UFC v. International Fighters again. (so to speak)

If Cuban is involved thats a huge business move (And Under the Radar!!!), because i salivate at the revenue created by Couture v. Fedor on any PPV any channel any night of the week, I and everyone on this forum will pay… don’t expect a 39.99 ppv here either…
who could M1 sign w. Cubans resources…$$$$
Fedor and Randy
Barnett
Sokodujou
Sakurai
Hunt
Nick Diaz
Gomi
help me out folks..the list goes on.. its a rock solid league.
It’s another PrideFC.. except now we call it M1. But now with more North American Media attention.
Thats if it turns to be true… IF it turns to be true and not my mind toying with all of the what ifs Randy leaving stirs….

It would look good on Ferritta 1 and 2 and Dana… It will change the MMA climate forever…

I’ll stop here…

BZ.

Thank you very much Fedor. You are a selfish man. You care more about your own pride than proving yourself to the top fighters. Screw you Fedor. And whoever said Randy is a coward should check their history. COWARDS DON’T FIGHT “THE ICEMAN” THREE TIMES IN A ROW.

Yes a great career and he can choose when he retires… but still it’s gotta be said… One more match! He’s a father figure and role model to many in this sport. Great contribution. Hope he comes out of retirement again in 2008 though…

“JRV
Oct 11th, 2007 at 4:51 pm Quote this comment
Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.”

Please dont ever post anything again.

I SECOND THAT.

I THIRD THAT… 9-2… didn’t even spell Deuce right!

well first i would like to say thank you randy for beating Timmmy.OK now to Dana"it’s good to be rich @"White,if ever thing i’m reading on all the sites are true about white like a lot of people said let him step down.Who are we going to bring in? DON MUTHAF*CKING KING cause he gets sh!t done. hemakes the big fights an if you give him 5 mil an a hot comb he won’t try to steal that much,but think about it he got the RUMBLE IN THE JUNGLE TO HAPPEN he darn sure would have got Fedor.IMO

I disagree FFL. Money isn’t everything in the UFC, even though it has it. The fact is, telling people you fight in the UFC is a state of mind to most fighters. It’s a principle more than a dollar. Sure the money is great, but the UFC is admired. Name anyone that said, “one day, I’m gonna make it to M-1”, or hell, that bullshit BoDog.

Randy Couture sets the bar for what a champion should be.

HE SURE DID!

Damn, the whole situation is screwed up period.

I disagree FFL. Money isn’t everything in the UFC, even though it has it. The fact is, telling people you fight in the UFC is a state of mind to most fighters. It’s a principle more than a dollar. Sure the money is great, but the UFC is admired. Name anyone that said, “one day, I’m gonna make it to M-1”, or hell, that bullshit BoDog.

Just asking, but which fighter did you have in mind that would fight under the UFC because of honor? Because my answer to that question is Randy the Natural Couture, and what the fuck just happend.

Dude, no offence, but if Pride had the North American PPV market UFC would have been the purchasee not the purchaser.
I see your point and true could be said of young up and comers like Jon Fitch… not many others.

Money Talks… thats the world we live in.

BZ

And i’ll even throw in Jeremy Horn in favor of your argument.

This sucks…Randy was the Icon of mma. I hope Rampage or someone like GSP can fly the flag for the world of mixed martial arts. I’d worry that Rampage comes off as a joker all the time. The sport kind of needs a new ambassador now who can lure the mainstream in and continue to grow the sport, unless of course Randy continues to promote the sport.

Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.

Your a total ass, i have a lot of respect for Randy i think it was a good decision

I would like Dana White to address the fact that he was paying Randy Couture 1/8 of what he was willing to pay Fedor.

That is the question, and I think that’s what Randy meant by saying he was tired of swimming up stream with upper management.

He’s glad what MMA/UFC did for him at the time… but the amount of money that was offered to Fedor woke him up to the now current status of MMA/UFC… Randy is worth a lot more than what they gave him… and recognizing that he was under paid simply sapped his motivation along with not being able to fight FEDOR.

The best of luck to Randy he was and will always be “The People’s Champion”

disagree FFL. Money isn’t everything in the UFC, even though it has it. The fact is, telling people you fight in the UFC is a state of mind to most fighters. It’s a principle more than a dollar. Sure the money is great, but the UFC is admired. Name anyone that said, “one day, I’m gonna make it to M-1”³, or hell, that bullshit BoDog.

I concure that fighting for a premier organization weighs heavily on a fighters thoughts when considering who to sign under. Brand strength and and visibility are key to a fighter gaining exposure and popularity. But this goes perfectly with aquiring the top talent and big names. Fighters recognize the opportunity to sign for a new but viable orginization if the see a future for the brand. People spoke similarly in 1997 when Pride began. UFC at that point was truly the only recognizable name, but Pride attached fighters with competitive salaries, and the opportunity quickly set fights and against established names. This could be the beginning of something very similar.

And financial viability is the bottom line, Cuban’s pockets are deep enough to draw many fighters and to aggressivley promote his brand. And his past ventures indicate he is willing to dole out the cash upfront

I WONDER WHATS GONNA BECOME OF CROCOP?

WHERE’S DON KING WHEN YOU NEED HIM HE MAKES BIG MATCHES HAPPEN YEAH HE IS MORE CROOKED THAN A POLITICAN BUT HEY HE MAKES IT HAPPEN GET R DONE.

I would have thought Arlovski woulda been next for Couture since no Fedor. But now theres no Couture.

if what FFL says is true, M1 could be a major force in MMA. in the long term, it could break the monopoly of the ufc. a little healthy competition between MMA organizations could really help the sport.

for the fans, a monopoly appears to be the best beacuse you will get the top guys fighting the top guys. however for the fighters, it obviously wasnt the best because the ufc organization abused the monopoly by paying their fighters too little.

hopefully if there is to be more mma organizations, they will be smart and have a universal stage to fight on. that way fighters will have a better chance at making the money that they deserve and fans will be able to see the best fighters fight eachother.

lets see what happens.

Randy was a 2 time hvyweight champion before he fought Silva and a light heavyweight champion, the only fighter in UFC history to win 2 different weight class titles… he comes back and destoryed the then current champion..Tim S.. (now he’s a 4 time champion and make that 3 time heavyweight champion)…. and he didn’t deserve a title shot? Come on!!!
He may not have the best overall record in history, but he has the most titles in any MMA organization.. it’s always debatable who’s the best… Is it the guy that’s held the title the longest? Or the guy with the best record? Or the guy with the most belts?… Who knows?

Let me correct myself…Over the course of the next decade, The UFC’s only six-time champion, he captured the heavyweight belt three times, the light heavyweight title twice and an interim light heavyweight title.

So many titles I forgot about 2 of them lol…

The best fighters in the world will always demand (ECO101) the largest share of the profit pie. The same reasoning will have those same fighters finding there way to bigger stages with bigger wages. Over time the reputation of any league will be fashioned by who is fighting under that banner. If said organization is paying the most, over time it will see the return on it’s investment in the form of top international talent aka the toughest guys on the planet.
Career will be made and broken, thus earning it’s rep.
And the tide turns.

I could equate this to the beer mfg industry, but this is an MMA forum afterall. I guess im just looking for some path to see Randy and Fedor still. Im not ready to let go.

BZ

I look forward to another organization,providing the caliber of fighters it promotes.Fedor is a nice start.His brother most likely will fight there and probably a lot of other fighters as well.This sport got so big so fast that the UFC will be unable to accommidate all of the best fighters.I would like to see some of the old Pride rules reinstated,knees to the head,soccer kicks,etc.That is not likely but it would be nice for a change.

I just hope we get to see Randy fight Fedor at some point, regardless of the organization. Dana has put together a great organization, but it’s gone straight to his head. We all see the fighters salaries and it’s a joke when compared to other competitive sports. Granted, they’re not making the same money the NFL is, but the drop off from the very top tier guys to everyone else is a joke. His arrogance will cost him everything if they’re not careful. UFC is the brand today, but that doesn’t mean it can’t change. People used to watch UFC to see who the great fighters are. Now we’re all very educated, and more interested in the fighters than the league. If M-1 or any other organization starts paying these guys what they’re worth, you could see a mass exodus to another league….guess what, most of us will follow. It’s all about the fighters and fights now….who cares what league they’re in. I just hope we don’t end up with all the great fighters in different leagues. It’s like the AFL and NFL, get everyone together, pay everyone and give the fans the best fights possible…..just my $.02!

Randy Couture is a douche, it’s his fault for signing the type of deal he did. So why cower out of it now and blame it on the pay and Fedor. He knows as well as anyone that Fedor was a puppet, a paper champion, a WWE fanboys dream. Please, the limelight is getting to Couture’s head and doesn’t want to mess up his face any worst than what it is. For every scar there is another zero drops off his paycheck. Good riddance.

ajadoniz

yes, he signed the contract but if you read some of his response the ufc organization told him that he was the second highest paid fighter in the ufc which was a lie. he entered a contract without the facts, because the ufc didnt share the facts with him. have you looked at the fighter earnings after a bout. some of them are just pathetic. kos only got $10,000 for his fight with gsp. im no kos fan but if i were his manager i would tell him he should look elswhere.

fyi im a total couture groupie. i will watch him fight for as long as he fights wherever he fights. if he goes to m1, i will be an m1 ppv ordering fan.

you are are right FFL, maybe I jumped the gun, but I think it might take a while before people get past the UFC brand. But what you say is true, with the right marketing and enough money anything can get sold.

I love that all of the jackasses who called the original resignation post evidence that this site is following rumors and that the MMA community is spiraling down, blah, blah, blah. “Becoming the Weekly World News” as one idiot said.

Then I guess the internet would be boring without the jackasses who speak before with out a brain cells. And the best part is that it is sitting there forever for the rest of us to laugh at.

Anyone dissing Randy just doesn’t know what they are talking about. At his age and point in his career there are too many risks in fighting anyone but the #1 fighter in the world. If he did get to fight Fedor then he would have retired win or lose after that fight anyway. If he fights Kongo, Vera, or Silva then he wont improve his reputation in the world because they are all ranked lower, and Big Nog just doesn’t look good enough anymore to waste the effort on. The only other person I could see him fighting is Barnett because it would avenge a loss and if he won he’d most likely be considered in the top 2 in the world.
And show some respect. This is a man who has had title fights in 10 of his last 12 and has competed against the following: Vitor Belfort, Jeremy Horn, Pedro Rizzo, Josh Barnett, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Tim Sylvia, Gabe Gonzaga and so on. Yeah real coward. (rolls eyes)

Oh yeah, and Dana White kinda sucks. Not only did he manage to alienate his top fighters by offering Fedor rediculous paydays, but he didn’t even get Fedor.
Lets think about who he’s lost or failed to sign,
Couture
Fedor
Nick Diaz
Sokodujou
Barnett
Dennis Kang
Robbie Lawler
And on and on and on….

fuckin fedor!!!!!!!! ruining it for everybody. greedy Dana didn’t help either.

So Mania how many other domain names you own so far? you own M1mania.com yet?

Couture is being a bit ungrateful IMHO. He was given an opportunity for the title when he wanted to comback, the UFC would have never done this for another fighter. Couture swimming upstream against management! his gym and clothing line are all over the UFC, he is not making enough money from that. Plus he had to see that Dana was willing to do anything to bring Fedor short of handing the company to the russians. From the outside it looks like couture is one of the most priviledged fighters in the UFC. With this he is taking a childish position and being disrespectful to other fighters in the division. Couture needs to realize that Fedor did not wanted to fail in the US and loose his prestige like others, even to the point of saying he was friends with randy an excuse everyone uses to get out of a fight, that is the main reason he declined to sign, but again Dana was trying to make it work.

Hopefully his business ventures still work outside of the UFC, but honestly I have only seen his clothing line in the UFC and I’m sure Kevin “the ghost” Pavlik does not provide a great commercial impact similar to the UFC!

How does Randy get out of the contract to fight anywhere else? Dana specifically said that Randy was still under contract with him. He didn’t say UFC he said, “me”

Randy Couture is a douche, it’s his fault for signing the type of deal he did. So why cower out of it now and blame it on the pay and Fedor. He knows as well as anyone that Fedor was a puppet, a paper champion, a WWE fanboys dream. Please, the limelight is getting to Couture’s head and doesn’t want to mess up his face any worst than what it is. For every scar there is another zero drops off his paycheck. Good riddance.

He took the coward’s route?… he said it long time ago… I’m going to take it fight by fight, as the contract allowed him to. He knew he could beat Timmy S. and the the likelyhood of fighting cro- cop and fedor motivated him, he wanted the toughest fighters in the world.. HE WANTED THAT. Those fights are now long gone, he’s not motivated anymore… he could make a lot more long term $$ focusing on his other business ventures… so why not treat it as a business decision, just like the UFC has?

Anyone dissing Randy just doesn’t know what they are talking about. At his age and point in his career there are too many risks in fighting anyone but the #1 fighter in the world. If he did get to fight Fedor then he would have retired win or lose after that fight anyway. If he fights Kongo, Vera, or Silva then he wont improve his reputation in the world because they are all ranked lower, and Big Nog just doesn’t look good enough anymore to waste the effort on. The only other person I could see him fighting is Barnett because it would avenge a loss and if he won he’d most likely be considered in the top 2 in the world.
And show some respect. This is a man who has had title fights in 10 of his last 12 and has competed against the following: Vitor Belfort, Jeremy Horn, Pedro Rizzo, Josh Barnett, Chuck Liddell, Tito Ortiz, Tim Sylvia, Gabe Gonzaga and so on. Yeah real coward. (rolls eyes)

Ahhh’ someone with some sense… those that call randy a coward have no understanding at all about how the world works.

Couture is being a bit ungrateful IMHO. He was given an opportunity for the title when he wanted to comback, the UFC would have never done this for another fighter. Couture swimming upstream against management! his gym and clothing line are all over the UFC, he is not making enough money from that. Plus he had to see that Dana was willing to do anything to bring Fedor short of handing the company to the russians. From the outside it looks like couture is one of the most priviledged fighters in the UFC. With this he is taking a childish position and being disrespectful to other fighters in the division. Couture needs to realize that Fedor did not wanted to fail in the US and loose his prestige like others, even to the point of saying he was friends with randy an excuse everyone uses to get out of a fight, that is the main reason he declined to sign, but again Dana was trying to make it work.

Hopefully his business ventures still work outside of the UFC, but honestly I have only seen his clothing line in the UFC and I’m sure Kevin “the ghost” Pavlik does not provide a great commercial impact similar to the UFC!

at that time the ufc needed couture’s name more than couture needed the UFC..

This will cause a big uproar in the world of MMA fans and fighters knowing this will be in confusion, if this really happens either MMA will evolve and eventually reach a new hype or it will cause things to go down lets hope for the best.

UFC could not and did not sign Fedor because they did not show him the money. LETS ALL FACE IT! I am sure Fedor was offerred more $ with the other MMA organization. As usual, Zuffa and Dan White are being TIGHT with the money and paying fighters like if they were not professionals. I DO NOT BLAME Randy Coture-he is making a right decision. Dana White is AN IDIOT and should be FIRED! Now MMA and UFC fans are seeing and believing this! See my posts! DANA WHITE is mismanaging UFC! Yes it has come a long way and fighters are making much more money than before-but you cannot take it to a higher level with Dana White’s current course or decisions.

So……Cuban drops his pants to get Fedor, Possibly Randy in one fell swoop. Another slick move could swing one or 2 more, then…….LANDSLIDE!!!

You think Rampage, GSP are in it for Dana?

$$$$ORRY!

The brand LOST today! Nice work Dana.

Dana you forgot to mention the real reason why Randy left you moron, Randy left because of you and the F brothers lying to him about money.

Serves Dana right…. his meddling and over-control of the fighters is starting to scarily look like what Don King’s influence did to boxing.

I also think that Dana is lying. I doubt that Randy said that he didn’t want to fight Fedor. It just makes it seem as though he didn’t leave because Fedor didn’t come. Quite cowardly of Dana actually. Protecting his cash cow instead of telling the truth. Sorry if this has already been posted but I didn’t read all the posts.

Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.

Thanks for telling it like it is Nine Duce! It’s so refreshing to see someone pull the curtain on this fraud.
How dare he quit before allowing any of the true HW talent a chance at the belt. He’s just like a little whiny kid who didn’t get what he wants. “No Randy I’m sorry but you can’t have Fedor” “Hmph. Then I quit!” He couldn’t even finish the last two fights on his contract out of fear of defeat! Duce you are a true genius and a great leader, keep up the good work.

“Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.”-
Finally someone with the guts to call out all of you Capt. America bandwagon jumpers. We all know that in MMA just because you beat one person doesnt mean you’ll beat the next. I think “The Greatest MMA Champion Of All-Time” was reading too many posts here on UFCMANIA, and was believing his own hype. Acting like nobody in the world can hang with him except Fedor? Retiring after 1 defense IS a cowards way out. Us REAL FANS, we know that the REAL reason he retired is he knows that BROCK LESNAR is coming for him and his title. And he wants NONE of the NCAA Heavyweight Champion Wrestler from Minnesota, who would have powerbombed him through the mat. HERE COMES THE PAIN.

Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.

How can you call Randy a coward? He’s a legend.

How does Randy get out of the contract to fight anywhere else? Dana specifically said that Randy was still under contract with him. He didn’t say UFC he said, “me”

He’s sending Couture a passive aggressive message that he owns Couture, so don’t think about going to M1 to fight Fedor.

There’s stuff happening here that none of us get to see and I’d bet money that it is way more heated and intriguing than any of us truly know.

Good luck Randy, I’d still pay to watch you fight…

Thanks for telling it like it is Nine Duce! It’s so refreshing to see someone pull the curtain on this fraud.
How dare he quit before allowing any of the true HW talent a chance at the belt. He’s just like a little whiny kid who didn’t get what he wants. “No Randy I’m sorry but you can’t have Fedor” “Hmph. Then I quit!” He couldn’t even finish the last two fights on his contract out of fear of defeat! Duce you are a true genius and a great leader, keep up the good work.

“Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.”
    He should be more thankful to King Dana (who put UFC on the MAP!) Who else would have given a title shot to a seemingly washed up ex-champ who decided to move up in weight? Lets just give Cro-Crap a title shot while we’re at it. “Captain America” didn’t fight Nog, Arlovski, give Sylvia a rematch, never beat Barnett, got his arm broke by Gonzaga, Never beat Cro-Crap, never fought Kongo or Vera ect. ect. He moved up in weight after he realized that he couldnt hang at light heavyweight anymore, and wanted fight people he knew he could outlast with his superior cardio. Sure he’s great but not even close to the greatest fighter ever. Finally the Hype Machine is de-activated and somebody with the HEART to fight all comers will be crowned the Champion.

Nine Duce – try taking into account all of the information we have been given.

Fact – Randy was lied too by UFC brass
Fact – Randy as reighning UFC HW champ should command the biggest pay out and Fedor was offered 8X as much. As the Champ that is bloody insulting.
Fact – His “out of retirement” contract allows him to decide when he calls it quits. He isn’t surprising anyone that was involved in the planning of that.
Fact- He’s not getting any younger. Why fight and risk brain damage for 250k per fight, when he can make 5 million hanging out in Hollywood and making movies. Likely a lot of pressure from his wife/family to make that move.
Fact – He didn’t deserve the HW shot he was given… but he pulled it off in dominating fashion which was what Arlovski couldn’t do twice… he deserved the belt. And kept it from a Man who knocked out CC (before the rep was toileted) in dominating fashion.

Fact is, it was passion for competition that kept Randy sticking around, if it was money he would have already walked not waiting for Fedor to sign UFC or sign elsewhere. Ultimatly he wanted to fight who was believed to be the strongest fighter in the world. He had that taken away from him, and through UFC’s employee treatment program, he had no desire to stay..certainly not loyalty.

But i would love to hear what you have to say next…
Something constructive might be nice for a change
BZ

Let me correct myself…Over the course of the next decade, The UFC’s only six-time champion, he captured the heavyweight belt three times, the light heavyweight title twice and an interim light heavyweight title.

So many titles I forgot about 2 of them lol…

Of all of Randy’s UFC fights, only 1 was not in a HWT title tourney or for a championship belt.

Anyone who talks bad about the natural is a punk. I’m 27 and in my life could never come close 2 put up a fight. If ur such a bad ass and want 2 talk tough then how come yer next on his fight card?

Thanks for telling it like it is Nine Duce! It’s so refreshing to see someone pull the curtain on this fraud.
How dare he quit before allowing any of the true HW talent a chance at the belt. He’s just like a little whiny kid who didn’t get what he wants. “No Randy I’m sorry but you can’t have Fedor” “Hmph. Then I quit!” He couldn’t even finish the last two fights on his contract out of fear of defeat! Duce you are a true genius and a great leader, keep up the good work.

He’s 44, he’s fought for the titles more times than anyone else I’ll wager. He has nothing left to prove, other than beat Fedor. We will see in 9 months if he can do that.

Couture’s contract with the UFC is up in nine months. After that we might get to see couture vs Fedor outside of the UFC.

P.S. Dana is a cheap ass

Dana you know how to deal with this, buy them also. you have the jack

Is Randy allowed to ever pick up another fight in another organization? It looks like Dana thinks thats what Randy has in mind since he had to point out that when he decides to come out of retirement like before that he is still under contract with ufc.

He even says under contract with me…likes its Randy under Dana’s own contract!! Read between the lines!!

Is Randy allowed to ever pick up another fight in another organization? It looks like Dana thinks thats what Randy has in mind since he had to point out that when he decides to come out of retirement like before that he is still under contract with ufc.

Anybody know what happens with a US contract in Russia….?
IM GUESSING but i dont think the UFC could do much if it was being held there and Bodog has had events hit US tv from St Petersburg and Moscow i believe.
Russia isn’t in NAFTA which i think would be the only international agreement binding a contract between two parties.

SINCE COUTURE IS SUCH A ROLE MODEL IN THE UFC, I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE THAT OTHER FIGHTERS ARE GOING TO DO THE SAME. THEY ARE GONNA TO LEAVE THE UFC FOR OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WITH BIGGER PAYOUTS. ZUFFA, THIS IS ALL OF YA’LLS FAULT.

Dana White is simply an As*hole. It’s like he sold out his fighters, by offering that clown Fedor 2 mil per fight, anyone would feel betrayed. 200k for Randy? 2 mil for Fedor? that is just fcuked up! There are ALOT of contracts that will expire soon, Forrest Griffin, Keith Jardine, etc. NOW the UFC WILL PAY what fighters want OR Ultra Billionare Mark Cuban will steal the fighters one by one by one. Money, MONEY! That is what walks the walk! Mark Cuban could do to UFC what UFC did to PRIDE FC. Mark has the money and resources to do it. If M1 merges with HDNet Fight Nights and Cuban is at the helm, it’s bey bey UFC. I would buy a 59.99 PPV to watch Couture Vs Fedor in M1, Dana White took things for granted and now his fighters will be open to other venues.

I think the UFC is in serious public relations trouble and not just because Randy is airing dirty laundry as he leaves.

I don’t believe things are going well at the moment. I’m betting there are some SERIOUS talks going on over at Zuffa.

I don’t believe for two seconds that the inability to sign Fedor is the reason Randy’s leaving. Read between the lines – what exactly does swimming against UFC management really mean?

Why air that sentiment in public?

Is Tito actually right with his comments about Dana White?

I’m betting Randy surfaces with Mark Cuban’s organization (in 9 months) to fight Fedor. What’s more, it’s going to be for multiple millions of dollars, and when UFC fighters see that, they’re going to leave in droves.

Money talks…

BTW, those that persist in talking smack about Couture really ought to pull their collective heads out of their asses…

I’m just glad I was able to see Randy fight! It would have had been amazing to have seen Randy fight Fedor, but Fedor doesn’t want to get his butt kicked by a 44 year old man, so he chooses not to sign with the ufc.

          Randy is def. one of the greatest fighters of all time if not the best. They need to make a movie about the man, losing to Chuck, retiring and then whooping Tim at 44 years old! I can see it now! lol

           Randy has nothing left to prove! Great moving walking away if Fedor won’t fight him.

way to go Dana…the UFC is totaly mob driven these days so maybe Randy was smart and bounced…I think it’s great he made a stand for all of the other fighters and bounce cuz they aren’t getting paid what they should be getting..

Dana white and Randy are both lieing. Randy leaving has to do with Fedor not signing plus him not getting paid enough as opposed to what Dana offered Fedor. For example even though Chuck liddell is not the champ anymore he still gets paid more than rampage. I guess u have to kiss up to DW to get the big bucks. I wouldn’t be suprised if Randy shows up on IFL,BODOG or even M-1 to fight Fedor. Randy leaving is definetly a low blow for the UFC. Randy is a household name and will be a great asset in any company.

How is Randy lieing? He mentioned those reasons and he said ,the main reason is about disrespect. Dana flat out lie to his face,saying he is the second highest paid UFC fighter. Even I know that is a load of shit and I’m not in the tight knit group of fighters like Randy is. What a blatent disrespect of Randy’s intelligence. I don’t blame him one bit for resigning. I thought Dana treated his super stars better, I was wrong. For a guy like Randy it’s not about the money(he has plenty and makes plenty from other ventures), It’s all about respect. Respect is earned and Randy earned his, but he was tired of not getting it.

Couture is being a bit ungrateful IMHO. He was given an opportunity for the title when he wanted to comback, the UFC would have never done this for another fighter. Couture swimming upstream against management! his gym and clothing line are all over the UFC, he is not making enough money from that. Plus he had to see that Dana was willing to do anything to bring Fedor short of handing the company to the russians. From the outside it looks like couture is one of the most priviledged fighters in the UFC. With this he is taking a childish position and being disrespectful to other fighters in the division. Couture needs to realize that Fedor did not wanted to fail in the US and loose his prestige like others, even to the point of saying he was friends with randy an excuse everyone uses to get out of a fight, that is the main reason he declined to sign, but again Dana was trying to make it work.
Hopefully his business ventures still work outside of the UFC, but honestly I have only seen his clothing line in the UFC and I’m sure Kevin “the ghost” Pavlik does not provide a great commercial impact similar to the UFC!
at that time the ufc needed couture’s name more than couture needed the UFC..

Dana called Randy to come back, and asked if he wanted to fight Sylvia for the title, because Dana didn’t have anyone else, with AA losing twice and Vera having contract isues. So for anyone who said ,“Randy didn’t deserve a title shot”,who the hell else was there.

wtf, the UFC is messed up.

lightweight- steroid sherk, awaiting appeal, maybe 3 championship fights in 2 and a half years.

welterweight- just when it seemed that gsp would be the dominant champion MATT SERRA knocked his ass out. so now there is reality show to hype a fight that really only delays the actual fight.

middleweight- a guy who got owned by two crappy little japanese dudes destroyed the dominant champion and has been owning fools ever since, so why the hell does dana white not try to get linland, shamrock, kang and the other top middleweights in the world in the UFC in his weakest divsion.

lhw- the most dominant champion ever chuck liddell got knocked out by rampage and then beat by jardine, a guy who lost to stephen bonner

hw- and now randy leaves and the best we have in the heavyweight division is who… noguiera? kongo? gonzaga?

maybe if one or two divisions are in chaos then i can handle the sorting out process, but the only divsion in the UFC right now thats not in upheaval is the weakest one, and i still dont feel good about the middleweight division becuz the champ becuz i saw Daiju Takase and ryo chonan tap him out.

The UFC should do a TUF series featuring heavyweights. Bring Kimbo Slice in as one of the 16 fighters. He will get to be a much better fighter and possibly gain a contract in the UFC. Not to mention, it is reality TV and he would brign in A TON of ratings. I know….applause for an incredibly cool idea.

Oh yeah, and Dana White kinda sucks. Not only did he manage to alienate his top fighters by offering Fedor rediculous paydays, but he didn’t even get Fedor.
Lets think about who he’s lost or failed to sign,
Couture
Fedor
Nick Diaz
Sokodujou
Barnett
Dennis Kang
Robbie Lawler
And on and on and on….

He almost lost BJ Penn after UFC 46 but needed him to come back to promote the welterweight division and make it what it is today.

Dana White is simply an As*hole. It’s like he sold out his fighters, by offering that clown Fedor 2 mil per fight, anyone would feel betrayed. 200k for Randy? 2 mil for Fedor? that is just fcuked up! There are ALOT of contracts that will expire soon, Forrest Griffin, Keith Jardine, etc. NOW the UFC WILL PAY what fighters want OR Ultra Billionare Mark Cuban will steal the fighters one by one by one. Money, MONEY! That is what walks the walk! Mark Cuban could do to UFC what UFC did to PRIDE FC. Mark has the money and resources to do it. If M1 merges with HDNet Fight Nights and Cuban is at the helm, it’s bey bey UFC. I would buy a 59.99 PPV to watch Couture Vs Fedor in M1, Dana White -took things for granted and now his fighters will be open to other venues.

-Hey here’s the thing, Randy strikes me as a smart guy. If the fight in UFC had taken place with Fedor coming, Randy could have just NEGOTIATED an addendum to his contract for more money, he always said he would just take it fight by fight and see how things go.

Of all of Randy’s UFC fights, only 1 was not in a HWT title tourney or for a championship belt.

-Vitor Belfort UFC 49: Unfinished Business August 21, 2004 3 5:00 Las Vegas, Nevada, Wins UFC light heavyweight title

-Tito Ortiz Decision (Unanimous) UFC 44: Undisputed September 26, 2003 Las Vegas, Nevada, Wins UFC light heavyweight title

-Chuck Liddell UFC 43: Meltdown June 6, 2003 3 Las Vegas, Nevada, interim UFC light heavyweight title

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Couture

AaronW… I forgot a few titles myself and the one with Vitor almost was a little tainted as far as losing and then regaining the belt nevertheless it’s in the books, 6 time champion.

couldnt you get fight set up between rampage and coutoure for one last fight? what a fight that would be!!

Rampage is out for a year

Nine Duce, that’s the most idiotic thing I’ve read all day.

Otherwise, Dana’s statement seems like a weird sort of denial. Randy didn’t say that he wasn’t ever going to fight again, right? He just resigned from his UFC contract. I don’t know if Dana just doesn’t want to admit it to himself or if this is some kind of jab at Randy that he’ll never fight again unless it’s with the UFC.

he still has 2 fights on his contract Dana said that if Randy decides to figh again he will be happy to promote him again

If M-1 lands Randy to fight Fedor in 8 months they could put together the biggest ppv in mma history.

that wont happen Randy is still under contract so he could only fight in UFC (he has 2 fights left on his contract)

Dana white and Randy are both lieing. Randy leaving has to do with Fedor not signing plus him not getting paid enough as opposed to what Dana offered Fedor. For example even though Chuck liddell is not the champ anymore he still gets paid more than rampage. I guess u have to kiss up to DW to get the big bucks. I wouldn’t be suprised if Randy shows up on IFL,BODOG or even M-1 to fight Fedor. Randy leaving is definetly a low blow for the UFC. Randy is a household name and will be a great asset in any company.

they dont determine how much they get paid at every fight for example it could be a 3 fight contract for 2 mill a fight or something like that and Randy is still under contract for 2 more fights which means he can only fight in the UFC (for 2 fights) if he wants to fight again

Randy was a 2 time hvyweight champion before he fought Silva and a light heavyweight champion, the only fighter in UFC history to win 2 different weight class titles… he comes back and destoryed the then current champion..Tim S.. (now he’s a 4 time champion and make that 3 time heavyweight champion)…. and he didn’t deserve a title shot? Come on!!!
He may not have the best overall record in history, but he has the most titles in any MMA organization.. it’s always debatable who’s the best… Is it the guy that’s held the title the longest? Or the guy with the best record? Or the guy with the most belts?… Who knows?

5 time champ u mean

LIFE AND THE UFC WILL GO ON! NO ONE IS BIGGER THAN THE SPORT OF MMA! NOT RANDY, NOT FEDOR, NOT ANYONE! IT OPENS THE DOOR FOR OTHER HWs. DANA DID EVERYTHING HE COULD DO TO GET FEDOR. YOU CAN’T GET SOMEONE THAT DOESN’T WANT TO BE GOT,GET IT! FEDOR KNEW THERE WAS A CHANCE HE COULD LOSE AND THAT WOULD LOWER HIS WORTH. PERSONALLY I THINK HE’S A CHICKEN SHIT! ESPECIALLY JUDGING FROM HIS LAST OPPONENT FOR BODOG, A MIDDLEWEIGHT, MATT LINDLIN.

When Word was out that Randy was going to come out of retirement was anyone saying “hey he doesnt deserve a title shot” – NO,they were saying “Yes,Randy is coming out of retirement!” When everyone wanted to see Fedor in the ufc were they saying “No Dana, he doesnt deserve that much, how will that make the other fighters feel?” No, they were saying “Dana give him what ever he wants, just make it happen!” Why cant we just take this for what it is and focus on wishing the guy who inspired countless fat slobs to get up and be active the best in what ever HE CHOOSES to do! And this hate on for Dana is silly. Yes the guy is looking out for his business, but this is a fan based business, and the guy does try to give the fans what they want. Everything he says isnt part of some conspiracy, the mma world is changing in front of his eyes too

Awful lot of crying and broken hearts on this board. Hey, “itsa not personal… itsa business” as they said in the Godfather.

The UFC has Randy under contract still. I think they should pay the crap out of him to continue to do commentating ringside and maybe he would be willing to represent the UFC at fan promotion events given the right money.

If M-1 lands Randy to fight Fedor in 8 months they could put together the biggest ppv in mma history.

Travis very smart, UFC very stupid.

Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.

Randy is the best(#1) HW in all mma!!!
I used to disagree(i gave it to Fedor)
but now that Fedor has ducked out on Randy, Randy is #1(IMO)….
………thanks for all the great bouts Randy’
…………especially 2007’

WHAT DANA YOU CAN’T DROP F BOMBS ON THE MOST BELOVED FIGHTER IN THE UFC HA, LIKE YOU DO EVERYBODY ELSE THAT LEAVES THE UFC HAHA

“I disagree FFL. Money isn’t everything in the UFC, even though it has it. The fact is, telling people you fight in the UFC is a state of mind to most fighters. It’s a principle more than a dollar. Sure the money is great, but the UFC is admired. Name anyone that said, “one day, I’m gonna make it to M-1”³, or hell, that bullshit BoDog."

It’s all about branding and marketing. UFC has a name because it has been well marketed as of lately, not just because it has been around for so long.

If, however, they continue riding on the myth that Tito is a superstar, and that Bisping Vs. Evans is title material – when all hardcore MMA fans know otherwise – their brand will just go south. Fans will just stop believing them every time they say “X vs X is gonna be a GREAT FIGHT!!” in their teasers. Fans will learn that it is just the language of desperation.

On the other hand, it is very realistic to imagine a new competitor brand (M-1 or whoever else) doing things right and DELIVERING consistently. You and I all know that we would support whoever puts out top-notch fights. A new strong brand could be created in a year, if not less.

Heck, a new brand could be created (though not sustained) with just one event with Randy vs. Fedor on the title.

I think the UFC is in serious public relations trouble and not just because Randy is airing dirty laundry as he leaves.

I don’t believe things are going well at the moment. I’m betting there are some SERIOUS talks going on over at Zuffa.

I don’t believe for two seconds that the inability to sign Fedor is the reason Randy’s leaving. Read between the lines – what exactly does swimming against UFC management really mean?

Why air that sentiment in public?

Is Tito actually right with his comments about Dana White?

I’m betting Randy surfaces with Mark Cuban’s organization (in 9 months) to fight Fedor. What’s more, it’s going to be for multiple millions of dollars, and when UFC fighters see that, they’re going to leave in droves.

Money talks…

Mattski——-Right on the $MONEY$

Randy negotiated his own contract to come out of retirement. He should have had some representation. He probably thought his “friend” Dana would have his back. (by the way, isn’t Dana a chick’s name?)He “had his back” alright, ready to slip a choke…….Dana please shut up. Our growing dislike isn’t because we’re “fickle”.

He almost lost BJ Penn after UFC 46 but needed him to come back to promote the welterweight division and make it what it is today.

Nine Duce, that’s the most idiotic thing I’ve read all day.

Otherwise, Dana’s statement seems like a weird sort of denial. Randy didn’t say that he wasn’t ever going to fight again, right? He just resigned from his UFC contract. I don’t know if Dana just doesn’t want to admit it to himself or if this is some kind of jab at Randy that he’ll never fight again unless it’s with the UFC.

Well Randy’s statement is not one of retirement it is a resignation. The problem that will ensue now is that Raandy believes he has only has to wait til June (9 months) to be out of his UFC contractand I think UFC is saying that he has 2 fights left. If he only has till June to wait my $$$ is on him joining M1 and fighting him in that promotion. I am curious is M1 going to be a Eurpoean Promotion with little testing and plenty of roids or a US promotion with strict testing and guidlines?

UFC 79 may just be Serra vs Hughes.. Wandi vs Chuck may be UFC 80 to fill in for the Couture vs Fedor match.

That may be the single dumbest statement ever posted. And I have posted some pretty stupid stuff. That’s a winner. Mark it. Oct 11, dumbest post in the history of mania

Well put. I second that.

So with Randy gone and the rumors being winner of Tim Sylvia vs. Brandon Vera will face the winner of Big Nog vs. Cheick Kongo for he heavy weight belt, shouldn’t Gonzaga get immediate consideration for contention considering he was the last title holder? Seems it should go that way to me anyway…

Latest: ufc [dot] com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=8241

Everything he says makes sense (not saying it’s true, just that it makes sense)… EXCEPT for the part that he now believes Fedor is “completely overrated”. SOUR GRAPES!!

C’mon Dana, you know just a couple of weeks ago you were salivating for him!!!

With PPV percentages wouldn’t you think that Randy has the 2nd best contract? Earlier this year when he signed 250k/fight for 4 fights we were all thinking ‘Wow, he’s coming off two losses to Liddell…not a good history against big fighters…why is the UFC shelling out so much money…’ now it’s a different story. I truly believe that some hollywood big shot is motivating him to act like this – it doesn’t seem like Randy at all. Does it? He’s got nothing left to do other than facing Fedor – I agree – I just wish he didn’t have to leave on bad terms like this…

com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=8241

Everything he says makes sense (not saying it’s true, just that it makes sense)… EXCEPT for the part that he now believes Fedor is “completely overrated”. SOUR GRAPES!!

C’mon Dana, you know just a couple of weeks ago you were salivating for him!!!

Dana was salivating for him b/c he knew Randy would crush him and end this whole ‘mystique’ of Fedor is #1.

Dana did everything humanly possible to get Fedor to the UFC. He offered far more money than any other organization. The big sticking point was that Fedor wanted to compete in Russian tournaments on the side, while Dana was wisely unwilling to risk an injury to a fighter that he invested so much money in. I don’t think Randy left because Fedor would have made so much more money than he was, but if he did, well, too bad. Dana gave you a contract, you were happy with the terms, you signed it, you can live with it.

Dana better watch his back, Mark Cuban is coming………. Read up on what cuban wants to do for the sport primarily for the fighters and then go look at the last couple of salaries for the past couple ufc events. Dana is a joke and if he doesn’t change his ways the ufc will not last.

UFC fighters should have fight to fight contracts like boxing. You see guys like Tito and Chuck banking even though their getting their asses kicked. Then you have guys like Chuck who has sucessfully defended his title and is getting screwed by Dana. Dana ALWAYS makes his ca$h. he should treat his fighters better.

Please dont ever post anything again.

I 6,782nd that.

I can’t wait to read everyone else rip into you for that one, Nine Duce. By the way, Duce is spelled wrong, its Deuce. MORON.

But to call Randy a coward? That is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. First off, an underdog can never be called a coward, because they are going into a fight that they are expected to lose. Back in the day, no one thought that Randy was great. No one gave him a chance against Vitor. No one though he could be Pedro Rizzo. No one gave him a shot a beating Tito Ortiz. No one gave him a chance against Liddell. No one gave him a chance in hell for a 44 year old do beat a 6’8" HW champion. No one expected him him defend it against Gabe. And you know what, he WON all of those fights. He is the presice opposite of a coward. Randy has bigger balls than ANYONE. Right now, Fedor is supposed to be Mr. Invincible, Superman, completely unbeatable. But you know what, Randy thinks he can beat him, and I believe him. Fedor thought than he can run away from fighting Randy, but he can’t hide. I fully expect Randy to fight Fedor in summer of 08.

Randy Couture is a douche, it’s his fault for signing the type of deal he did. So why cower out of it now and blame it on the pay and Fedor. He knows as well as anyone that Fedor was a puppet, a paper champion, a WWE fanboys dream. Please, the limelight is getting to Couture’s head and doesn’t want to mess up his face any worst than what it is. For every scar there is another zero drops off his paycheck. Good riddance.

What the hell? Did 9 2 change his screen name?

UFC President Dana White should be fired by UFC Owners, Fertitta Brothers. Because Dana doesn’t know how to negotate business 101. I wish. I really want to fight Dana White in the ring right now!

Randy is great but he never deserved a title shot. He’s a coward and an ungrateful to leave after one defense.
Thanks for telling it like it is Nine Duce! It’s so refreshing to see someone pull the curtain on this fraud.
How dare he quit before allowing any of the true HW talent a chance at the belt. He’s just like a little whiny kid who didn’t get what he wants. “No Randy I’m sorry but you can’t have Fedor” “Hmph. Then I quit!” He couldn’t even finish the last two fights on his contract out of fear of defeat! Duce you are a true genius and a great leader, keep up the good work.

LOLOLOLOLOLOL THat is the first time I EVER seen someone quote their own comment and give themselves props. LOL And it was this kid, making this statment, ROFL!!! If you’re calling Couture a kid, you better be no less than 75 years old. Randy afraid of defeat? That’s another joke. Actually quite the opposite. Randy ONLY wants to fight the BEST out there. He doesn’t need to waste his time fighting scrubs that are trying to make a name for themselves. Randy is as established as can be. There’s only 1 fight left in the HW division that makes sense for him – Fedor.

Great post there Violent Mike. You are a god and a genious. I would call you a ‘great leader’ as well, but that just wouldn’t make any sense at all. Everyone else should continue to put this uneducated fraud 9 2 in his place.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, FYI, my above paragraph was in direct reponse to 9 2 responding to his own comment and saying “Duce you are a true genius and a great leader, keep up the good work”

So with Randy gone and the rumors being winner of Tim Sylvia vs. Brandon Vera will face the winner of Big Nog vs. Cheick Kongo for he heavy weight belt, shouldn’t Gonzaga get immediate consideration for contention considering he was the last title holder? Seems it should go that way to me anyway…

Gonzaga never held the belt. He became #1 contender by knocking Cro Crops head off, then he got crushed by Randy in his one shot at the title.

“I can’t wait to read everyone else rip into you for that one, Nine Duce. By the way, Duce is spelled wrong, its Deuce. MORON.”
-—Not to totally defend this idiot, but wasnt there a football player name Duce Staley who played for the Eagles and Steelers?

Randy is not risking anything (other than the obvious: Health. But all fighters risk their health) by fighting Fedor. Either way he retires. A loss and he got beat by the “unbeatable” Fedor, A win and he beat the “unbeatable” Fedor. He looks like gold either way. No knocking Randy for his body of work, but saying that the only guy who could possibly compete with him is Fedor? MMA is all about the individual matchups. Just because you beat ____, doesnt mean that next fight he wouldnt get knocked out. He doesnt want to risk getting beat on any terms but his own. Thats not the fighting spirit that endeared him to us in the first place, thats the actions of someone who wants the perfect win/win ending to his career. He couldnt get that so he quit. Classy. He hasn’t fought Arlovski, Nog, CroCop, Vera, Kongo ect. Thats like saying “Well, Stephan Bonnar beat Jardine, who beat Chuck, who beat Couture, so Stephan Bonnar would beat Couture.” It’s a fluke sport and anyone can get it right on any given day, against anybody.

9-2, your obviously uneducated about the great sport we all love. Your attempts at patting yourself on the back for such nonsense should be applauded though. Such self delusion is a gift I wish I had. Vain attempts at trying to be clever would be the definition of “coward”. Randy Couture has probably never sat in his moms basement playing role playing games and online poker and trying to , he trains harder than anyone in the sport to get the results he gets at his age. I wonder what your friends would say about your opinions, when they are so blatantly uninformed.

Dana White is the guy who had a Spike special of him training for a boxing match against Tito, when the fight never took place. It was an hour of Dana White ego trip. I wonder if he thinks he is the reason people watch MMA?

Either way a titanic fight got lost and I can’t help but look at Mr. White as the reason.

A loss and he got beat by the “unbeatable” Fedor, A win and he beat the “unbeatable” Fedor. He looks like gold either way.

That argument is not valid, because it could go either way. If he fights any other UFC fighter and wins, it’s “Nice job, but he was ranked higher than him anyways so he just did what he’s supposed to do”. A loss and it’s “Hmm, maybe Randy’s not as great as he’s made out to be”.

This is actually my point exactly. Randy wont take a fight where the potential outcome could possibly tarnish his legacy. Like you said Pat, a loss and it’s “hmmn maybe Randy’s not as great as he’s made out to be.” His ego wont let him take any fight where if he loses anyone can question his skill. Fighting Fedor equals a positive outcome for him whether he wins or loses. Anything less than that and he wont do it. He obviously would have retired either way after a fight with Fedor. Now that he doesnt have the perfect “out”, he would rather “take his ball home” and not play the game at all.

This is actually my point exactly. Randy wont take a fight where the potential outcome could possibly tarnish his legacy. Like you said Pat, a loss and it’s “hmmn maybe Randy’s not as great as he’s made out to be.” His ego wont let him take any fight where if he loses anyone can question his skill. Fighting Fedor equals a positive outcome for him whether he wins or loses. Anything less than that and he wont do it. He obviously would have retired either way after a fight with Fedor. Now that he doesnt have the perfect “out”, he would rather “take his ball home” and not play the game at all.

That dosnt make any sense. If he was worried about losing and tarnishing his record why in hell would he come out of retirement to fight a giant. Randy has nothing to prove other than that he can beat fedor. Its a slap in the face to Randy that fedor was being offered $3 mil. and that just shows how full of crap Dana is because he said that fedor isnt evan as good as people think he is. Then why is he being offerd more than a hall of famer.

Dana was salivating for him b/c he knew Randy would crush him and end this whole "mystique’ of Fedor is #1.

Doesn’t make one bit of sense. You don’t pay a fighter that kind of cash just to see him crushed. That might work with your toy soldiers and your he-men, but not with business.

Fighters get payed top (at least during acquisitions and contract negotiations) because they are top. Dana demonstrated with his cash he believes Fedor is top. Now he wants to double-talk with his mouth.

After reading Dana White’s little snip with the editor on the UFC website regarding Randy’s retirement, I’m more convinced than ever that Dana is just a complete douschebag. I really do hope someone with some bank that isn’t afraid to spend it comes in and starts paying fighters what they’re worth and putting together some events that people actually want to see. He talks about all the other organizations being minor leagues, but that’s exactly what will become of the UFC if he keeps paying his fighters jack shit. I don’t think Randy retired over money or what Fedor was being offered, but what the average fighter is making is pathetic in relation to the revenue being generated. It pisses me off so much that I can’t see myself ever ordering another UFC PPV, buying the DVD’s, or attending an event as long as that jackass is in charge.

Dana was salivating for him b/c he knew Randy would crush him and end this whole "mystique’ of Fedor is #1.

Doesn’t make one bit of sense. You don’t pay a fighter that kind of cash just to see him crushed. That might work with your toy soldiers and your he-men, but not with business.

Fighters get payed top (at least during acquisitions and contract negotiations) because they are top. Dana demonstrated with his cash he believes Fedor is top. Now he wants to double-talk with his mouth.

Another example of what an ass Dana White is.

This is actually my point exactly. Randy wont take a fight where the potential outcome could possibly tarnish his legacy. Like you said Pat, a loss and it’s “hmmn maybe Randy’s not as great as he’s made out to be.” His ego wont let him take any fight where if he loses anyone can question his skill. Fighting Fedor equals a positive outcome for him whether he wins or loses. Anything less than that and he wont do it. He obviously would have retired either way after a fight with Fedor. Now that he doesnt have the perfect “out”, he would rather “take his ball home” and not play the game at all.

Huh? It’s not worth it for Randy unless it’s Fedor. Randy has nothing to gain by fighting those other guys. He doesn’t want to “play the game” because he won’t get as much out of it as he’ll put into it. That’s like me asking you to play a slot machine where it’s $50 per turn, but the payouts are only $10. What, you’re afraid of losing your money? Wussy! See what I mean?

And what the hell is wrong with retiring in your own terms? Say a star in a team sport retires a champion. It’s nonsense to say “Well he’s just afraid that he won’t win it all next year”. WTF?! Or for an average Joe, you don’t say “He could’ve worked past 65, but he was afraid he would get fired at some point”. Your arguments are silly, to say the least.

Can any computer savy person put together a website called

firedanawhite.com

He’s a piece of garbage if you ask me. He’s been low ballin his fighers for a long time, and I guarantee you if Cuban has something to do with another fight league he’ll out ball the Ferreita’s and Dana in a heart beat.

5 time champ u mean

Com’on guys… 6 TIME WORLD CHAMPION
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Couture

This is actually my point exactly. Randy wont take a fight where the potential outcome could possibly tarnish his legacy. Like you said Pat, a loss and it’s “hmmn maybe Randy’s not as great as he’s made out to be.” His ego wont let him take any fight where if he loses anyone can question his skill. Fighting Fedor equals a positive outcome for him whether he wins or loses. Anything less than that and he wont do it. He obviously would have retired either way after a fight with Fedor. Now that he doesnt have the perfect “out”, he would rather “take his ball home” and not play the game at all.

Nah, I don’t think that’s it at all. It’s more like sticking around with a company that you are not happy with, just untill you get your Christmas bonus. Well ,Fedor was Randy’s Christmas bonus and he found out he wasn’t getting it, so why stay.

Dana was salivating for him b/c he knew Randy would crush him and end this whole "mystique’ of Fedor is #1.
Doesn’t make one bit of sense. You don’t pay a fighter that kind of cash just to see him crushed. That might work with your toy soldiers and your he-men, but not with business.
Fighters get payed top (at least during acquisitions and contract negotiations) because they are top. Dana demonstrated with his cash he believes Fedor is top. Now he wants to double-talk with his mouth.
Another example of what an ass Dana White is.

Dana always said Randy would beat Fedor. On the flip side of your statement, you don’t pay a fighter that kind of cash to come in and crush your BELOVED CHAMPION.

Hey Mania -

I really wish you would have posted my orignal comments right after Nine Duce posted what everybody seems to be so bent on…

Some Morons just need to get put in their place.
Hopefully the next time I’ll get a by.

No need to Post. (FUCK-Shit)

Can any computer savy person put together a website called

firedanawhite.com

He’s a piece of garbage if you ask me. He’s been low ballin his fighers for a long time, and I guarantee you if Cuban has something to do with another fight league he’ll out ball the Ferreita’s and Dana in a heart beat.

The Ferreita’s and Dana White are scum. Trying to promote UFC with some kind of veil of “honour” & “respect” on one hand and “low balling” the fighters on the other. Meanwhile buying out competitors like Pride and closing them down to monopolise the market and squeeze the fighters and fans a bit more. What the Ferrita/White cartel are proving is that they have no respect for either the fans or the fighters as all these actions simply act to weaken the sport. When you look at the $$$ coming in and the $$$ going out to the fighters it doesn’t add up. I understand that UFC has done great things for the sport but how much can thses guys spend??? When you look at the figures it doesn’t add up and to pretty much hear that fighters are being lied to about contract amounts it starts to really make you feel sick…..