i dont know how a judge could of given that fight to chuck. i mean i was going for chuck but come on.

Where are the fighter rankings?

That was one of my favorite aspects of this website.

i dont know how a judge could of given that fight to chuck. i mean i was going for chuck but come on.

I think that second round could’ve gone either way. Just because Chuck got rocked, doesn’t mean he definitately loses the round. Don’t forget Jardine got rocked that round too. Other than Chuck’s ribs, Jardine looks like he sustatined more damage.

Any question on how hard Chuck hits???

Round one was Chuck, three was Jardine. I thought Liddell won 2nd round BARELY. The way Jardine hung in there and got beat up pretty bad got people to cheer for him. Plus another tendency I see is that the third round is key. That was the only reason that Bisping won. Finishing is key, it should be cleaner to score.

Chuck didn’t look bad but he has to do something else besides punch hard. I saw him conserving energy some in the 2nd and in the 3rd, it was almost as if he was expecting a 4th & 5th round. But he was probably tanked.

Great slugfest. Every fight on the card was fantastic. I haven’t been this happy with the UFC since the days of Kimo, Ken and Hoyce. I originally questioned (like many)why these fights (Liddel Jardine, Forrest, Shogun)were being made, but hats of to Joe Silva for lining up great match-ups. The is so much parity in the sport right now that any top level fighter can be beat. Love it. And thanks again MANIA for creating a REAL fan website.

But he was probably tanked.[/quote] hahahahaha what an upset!!

Chuck has a great hammer but not every fighter is a nail. I kept waiting for someone to take it to the ground. Neither fighter should want a fight to go to judges. Chuck should have known he was close and tried something different.

Dude looks like he’s from “The Hills Have Eyes”…..

Guys, Jardine’s ugly leg kicks won him the fight because he landed those with no defense from Chuck. Also that gave the apprearance that he was dominating but it was really Chuck beating himself.

Chuck needs to realize that sometimes you go for a clinch or even a takedown to win a close fight, Hackelman knew Chuck lost 2nd round, at least learn some basic ground and pound, I don’t how Chuck one dimensional style got him this far, if he will ever fight Wandi and they clinch, Chuck won’t stand a chance against Wandi’s knees, on the other note, Chuck is a brawler he will back for more blood.

Guys, Jardine’s ugly leg kicks won him the fight because he landed those with no defense from Chuck. Also that gave the apprearance that he was dominating but it was really Chuck beating himself.

I agree.Chuck is done!!!He needs to evolve with the sport or retire. He had no answer for the leg kicks and looked one dimensional. Props to Keith.

I think that second round could’ve gone either way. Just because Chuck got rocked, doesn’t mean he definitately loses the round. Don’t forget Jardine got rocked that round too. Other than Chuck’s ribs, Jardine looks like he sustatined more damage.

exactly what i thought – jardine looked a mess after the fight, chuck looked solid all the way through – round 1 and 2 to Liddell

pussys

Chuck is done. He is a one dimensional chump now. New fighters will whip his ass to make a name. He’s never going to fight for a title again, much less hold it.

in the end, if Chuck would have landed more strikes, or even 1 takedown, he might have won, but he was not landing enough, even though when he did land he did good damage as you can see by looking at the mess that is Jardine’s face.

“Keith, you’ve gotta be feeling good after this win….”

I hope so, because he looks like he was in a car accident. Great fight.

Cuts don’t really make mean that much in a fight. I would rather get a cut on my eyebrow then get kicked in the kidneys 30 times.

Guys, stop judging the fight on how their faces looked after the fight. Something like 40% of the strikes Jardine landed were kicks, which wouldn’t show on Liddell’s face. A better question is how Liddell was walking the next day.

Chuck’s one dimensional style really got tested in that fight. He didn’t have an answer to the leg and body kicks, I think I saw him check one or two. I expected Chuck to win, but to me it was obvious that Jardine was the better man that fight. I hope Chuck changes his gameplan because the holes in his game have become pretty glaring lately.

I gave round one to Chuck but two and three to Jardine. Props to Keith for not buckling under the pressure – I imagined being face to face with Chuck and it was a mighty scary thought!

The whole time, guys at my gym were asking, “Does Chuck know how to check a kick?!” seriously whats up with that. Chuck gave that fight to Jardine. If Jardine was a better fighter he would have also exposed Chuck’s wide open face when he tries to throw those wide hooks with a stiff straight. I don’t know man, Chuck is just looking so beatable now.

Jardine won because he kept his chin nailed nown. Chuck can’t be called a one dimensional fighter, he has 2. He’s harder than heck to take down. That coupled with (you have to admit) deadly counter-punch knockout power isn’t enough these days. Find a way to make Chuck come to you without having to take him down and he’s neutralized. Capitalize with some fierce kicks……Jardine wins ALL 3. Sure Chuck landed some, but even if you take the PURPLE on his side out of the equation and he barely eeks this one out. Who’s next? Hughes. I love Matt, but he beats NObody after Matt the FLUKE Serra. Seems randy is the only old schooler that evolved. Pride guys will only take that aspect of MMA to the next level.

Now……about the 10 point must…..

Yeah I stand corrected – we really didn’t get to see Chuck’s takedown defense, which is impressive – so he is perhaps two dimensional. As for Hughes, yeah, he dreams of knocking someone out, but he just can’t seem to pull it off. This sport evolves so quickly, the fighters that succeed are the ones who adapt to three styles and work to master them. To see Randy kick so much ass is impressive; his surreal approach to the game has a lot to do with it. He’s a smart fighter who sticks to his plan and keeps his cool when in the cage. Clearly it pays off.

As for Pride fighters? I hate to see them go down so quickly, it truly is a sad sight. I always thought they were so much more intense than UFC fighters, but that thought is being shaken lately. Rampage has succeeded, Hendo put on an excellent showing and I don’t count him out by far… When I think about it, perhaps it’s too early to count Shogun out, so Cro cop is the only casualty – I’d love to see him sort himself out and get a few more W’s in his stats.

I have only just seen the fight and did not know who won before today. I am not one to say I told you so but…

ade
Sep 14th, 2007 at 8:52 am Quote this comment
I think this should be a really good fight and I’m looking forward to it. I do not think this is going to be an easy one for Chuck at all. I am going for the upset.
Jardine made a mistake and took Houston lightly and he paid for it. It seems like people are judging Jardine on this fight alone I think that is a mistake. Jardine is a very tough fighter who has knockout power, excellent leg kicks and a solid chin. Most fighters would probably have not have got up from one of those power shots Houston threw, how many did Jardine eat before he went down. Rampage only through the one bomb at Chuck and he was on the canvas. I still think Chuck is one the deadliest strikers in the division, but I think having not fought any solid strikers in a while in is going to work against him. Most of the people he has fought recently were without doubt some of the best, but I do not think they were genuine strikers like Jardine. Chuck will have the reach advantage but I do not think his experience will come into it when it comes down to slugging it out toe to, which it probably will, and this is where I think that Jardine will come out on top, as I believe Jardine will be able to take more of a beating then Chuck (no disrespect to any sensitive readers out there). I am still Chuck fan, but just as I did with the Rampage fight I think this is another bad matchup for him. Either was I think this will be a good one.

and…

 ade
Sep 17th, 2007 at 7:54 am Quote this comment
I really believe Jardine has more than a punchers chance. He has a lot better chance of beating Chuck than then I would have said Serra has of beating GSP. He knocked down Houston with his first decent punch, but paid the penalty for underestmating and taking his opponent lightly. He destroyed Forrest, I know Forrest is not one of the best, but he is definately one of the toughest, Jardine just ran right through him. Without doubt, if Jardine connects on Chucks chin, as much as I like Chuck, Jardine will knock him out. I know Chuck also has knockout power but looking at the punches Jardine took from Houston before he finally went down, I can see Chuck going down first if it comes to a trading punches situation. Jardine also has some solid kicks as well. In the Cro Cop/ Kongo fight I gave it 50/50 on the feet, Cro Cop advantage on the ground. The kicks to the groin were pretty bad, but that aside Kongo winning the fight on his feet did not suprise me, I thought it was a dangerous matchup, his stand up in his previous fights was faultless all he needed was a bit more power. Jardine is more than capable of pulling of the upset. I think this should be a good one.

I did not doubt Jardine would win this, I think he is a lot better than people give him credit for and I also really believe that Chuck has got too relaxed fighting non strikers over the past few years, and now that he has to fight someone who can hit back, I do not think he is comfortable with it.

Every dog has his day. And everyone gets lucky. Chuck is obviously easy to beat when he doesnt fight lol.

Sorry Chuck, but you need to fight in order to win a FIGHT.

And sorry Jardine, but you’ll never be a champ. Mediocre fighter at best.

But….every dog has his DAY……

Keith Jardine has to be feeling the realization that with all the over-hands and upper-cuts flying from both him and liddell, He sucessfully put on a galliant effort and so the win. Keith has got the fortitude and the will to win the big one. A little more focus, the likes of another Houston romp will not happen again. Let’s see how this fight corrects those little needed refinements for a honorable,fearless Jardine. My congrads on such an excellent effort and showmanship. Great “victory” Keith.

Anybody else notice how Jardine always looks at the ground when he’s talking?

Guys, stop judging the fight on how their faces looked after the fight. Something like 40% of the strikes Jardine landed were kicks, which wouldn’t show on Liddell’s face. A better question is how Liddell was walking the next day.

I know right. If the winner of a fight was decided by how thier face looked, we wouldn’t need judges, simply a mirror.

Keith Jardine cuts VERY easily. He even said that it seems like he starts to bleed the second he steps into the octagon.

Look at the Spencer Fisher vs Sam Stout second fight. Sam Stout looked like he just had a massage, and Spencer looked like he had his face slammed into oddly shaped rocks over and over again. Yet, Spencer Fisher won on every judges card. He clearly won the fight.

The tide is changing. What suprises me more is the way the Pride guys are getting shut down in the UFC.

Jardines leg kicks definitely won this fight, and in my eyes chuck won round won by a nose, jardine clearly won round two and he also won round three by a nose. I could see how one of the judges gave round 3 to chuck as he finished strong by in my eyes a little too late. Man jardine looks like he’s been in a train wreck, the price you pay for going three rounds with chuck. Jardine had a great game plan going into this fight, and has the style to beat chuck provided one of those big loopy punches doesn’t connect right on the button.

The tide is changing. What suprises me more is the way the Pride guys are getting shut down in the UFC.

Regarding this division, I don’t know how you can say that, when a pride guy has the belt.
But I do know what your saying, it is suprising that the likes of CC and Shogun did so terribly. I guess some just don’t acclimate to the change as well as others.
GET SOKO!!

Jardine was kind of looking scared and sloppy at first, but then he got in his rhythm because liddell just kind of waited for Jardine to punch so he could counter. Jardine kept kicking the sh*t out of his legs and body. Jardine had a good game plan, and it worked out for him. Props to him. Also I agree that chuck needs to start working his ground game, although its probably too late in his career to become real good at it like he should be by now. Sorry for who ever this offends, but liddell is way over rated. Fighters now-a-days need to be well rounded, and he is lacking a ground game… He even got beat at his own game, unbelievable

Regarding this division, I don’t know how you can say that, when a pride guy has the belt.
But I do know what your saying, it is suprising that the likes of CC and Shogun did so terribly. I guess some just don’t acclimate to the change as well as others.
GET SOKO!!

I think that the reason some of these fighters have not done so well is because the competition level in pride was not good. 5% of the fighters in pride were world class and the rest sucked. They often fought nobodies, and that is how they built up their record. I think that most everyone in the ufc is very well rounded and that when fighters such as crocop and shogun learned who their opponents were, they thought it would be as easy as a pride tune up fight. Wrong!

Don’t forget to add “The Texas Crazy Hourse” to the list of Pride failers.

Damn! Jardine looks like a patient

Round one was Chuck, three was Jardine. I thought Liddell won 2nd round BARELY. The way Jardine hung in there and got beat up pretty bad got people to cheer for him. Plus another tendency I see is that the third round is key. That was the only reason that Bisping won. Finishing is key, it should be cleaner to score.

Chuck didn’t look bad but he has to do something else besides punch hard. I saw him conserving energy some in the 2nd and in the 3rd, it was almost as if he was expecting a 4th & 5th round. But he was probably tanked.

My friends were talking about the same thing. He took the 3 round like he had plenty of time. I do not know if that mind set of fighting 4 and 5 rounds is automatic, but hell I can not believe he laid back so much.

Anyone agree that 3 rounds just isn’t enough……i know that you need an odd number of rounds, but man..

Jardine put up an excellent fight and against Chuck and really showed of Chucks weakneses as a striker. I really felt sorry for Jardine for the amount of boos he was getting from the crowd after he won. The guy gave it his all, and really desreved to win that fight. I don’t understand the mentality of some people. I have my favourite fighters, but if they got beaten fair and square buy a better opponent on the day, and especially after a fight like that, I would really give the guy a good round of applause for his efforts. I really find that disgusting. I mean to beat one of the bestin the world and end up battred and bloody and then get booed by the crowd is just wrong.

The reason why PRIDE fighter are losing is because they have to switch to the cage from a ring and the rules are different. I bet that if Forrest would have fought Shogun in the ring, Shogun would have destroyed him, and Jardine would have got his ass beat too if he went to PRIDE.

I bet that if Forrest would have fought Shogun in the ring, Shogun would have destroyed him, and Jardine would have got his ass beat too if he went to PRIDE.

I don’t know about that. To me it just seemed like Shogun just wasn’t himself at all. I think Forrest would have beaten him no matter what that night, even if the fight took place in the Chute Box parking lot in Brazil.

Chuck is done. He is a one dimensional chump now. New fighters will whip his ass to make a name. He’s never going to fight for a title again, much less hold it.

Chuck dominated for years against some of the best, and some of them great clinchers and wrestlers, none of them lived with liddell. Every guy loses one or two, i think we are forgetting the nature of the defeats, if chuck kicks back in to jardine, jardine is in serious bother. Let them fight again, liddell will have him!!!

Chuck is done. He is a one dimensional chump now. New fighters will whip his ass to make a name. He’s never going to fight for a title again, much less hold it.

I like him but I have to agree……he’s done.