it says UFC 75 on the title

Lookin like Hooters for me… I gotta bite the bullet and get a box to receive PPVs.
Jesse, wanna roll down to Princeton?

Can’t wait! Fitch vs Diego is the real main event.

Im too poor to order PPV, that’s why I order at Hooters. Ordering a 7 dollar plate leaving a 3 dollar tip, lol. 10 bucks aint too bad for a meal and a round of fights.

UFCMANIA I live in Anaheim and I was wondering if you had any info about autograph signing before the event? If so, what’s the time date and place? if anyone knows please let me know

Hey ufcmania, do you still post the bars that are showing the UFC fights. I don’t think I caught it for this one. Also, I was reading about the Patriots cheating thing and the UFC was mentioned briefly in the article. Here is the link: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7226916?GT1=10437

Cant wait to see the shogun vs griffin fight. Griffin is the man, but shogun is just gunna bring too much skill to the fight.

poor poor jardine

OMG JARDINE WITH THE FLYING SCISSOR TRIANGLE ARM CRANK! OMG!!!!!!111

I only hope that Shogun is 100 %.

I’m so pumped to see him here, but I do love Forrest more.
Either way, I think it will be a TKO.

Just grab bunch of friends and split the fight, that will be cheaper than $10 :P

Forrest will beat Shogun by TKO round 1.

I should once again be getting some feeds from tonights Prelim fights (excactly like UFC 74) so if a submission or KO happen, and it is a beauty, Ill be the first to respond to it, since I will actually see it.

Extremely Excited about tonight.

Shogun is going to lose, mark my words, Forrest by decision.

Chuck Liddell
Mauricio “Shogun” Rua
Jon Fitch
Kazuhiro Nakamura
Thiago Tavares
Anthony Johnson
Jeremy Stephens
Christian Wellisch
Matt Wiman

Liddell ko
Griffen ud
Fitch ud
Machida tko
Talveres ud
Johnson ko
Stephens tko
Wellisch ko
Wiman sub

Solid first round for Wiman, I think he might of lost this round, tough call.

I mean, crocop was vulnerable due to his lack of ground game, but honestly, who could pick aginast Rua? He even said it in his interview. Chute Boxe trains using elbows extensively, and has probably trained a lot harder and longer than griffin. Also, anyone who thinks they are strong enough to keep Rua on the ground is in trouble. Im actually going to go out on a limb and say Rua by submission round 1.

With the last minute I saw of Round 2, and what my friend has told me, he says Wiman should of won this round, and he sure looked decent on his feet the last minute of this fight.

Wiman won via decision. Congrats Matt! My buddy told me that this fight was wild! What I saw.. looked it.

I just saw the whole third round.. WOW!! Matt Wiman looks good! This is the Matt Wiman, that should of won the TUF5 season.

Junk taps out Round 1, looks like a kneebar.. nevermind heel hook!

FIGHT UPDATE: Matt Wiman defeats Michihiro Omigawa via unanimous decision

Mauricio Shogun Rua
That`s my comment…

Christian Wellisch defeats Scott Junk via submission (heel hook) in round one

Sorry for the late start guys — storm blew in and wiped out my Internet connection. Scrambled to a new location so all should be good now.

Sorry for the late start guys — storm blew in and wiped out my Internet connection. Scrambled to a new location so all should be good now.

It’s all good, I have been here fulfilling your job since you where not here!

its nice to have phone camera video feeds!

Be thankful you have rain. We really need it here in Cincinnati!

I am not really excited about this Stephens/Diego fight. I dont like Deigo, and he is currently 0-2 against Team Gurgel.

Stephens will take this fight.

Guys and Mania, you all enjoy these fights, my football team is in a neck/neck bout, and I need to watch this, so I will be gone for the rest of the night.

Mania, I hope you and your shelter stay dry and have much electric.

You all enjoy the fights.

FIGHT UPDATE: Jeremy Stephens defeats Diego Saraiva via unanimous decision

Mr NC-17 called it stehens

PREDICTIONS

Chuck wins by TKO in the 1st round
Fitch wins by Unanimous Decision
F.Griffin wins by TKO in the 1st (I have a hunch)
Machida Wins By Unanimous Decision
T.Griffin wins by TKO in the 2nd round

AHAHAHAH!!

Right when the Johnson/Rich fight start, Johnson knocked Rich straight to the canvus! (fight not over yet!)

So here I am stuck at home too cheap to spring for the fights
, Thank goodness I am able to get a good grip on the event.
Its keeping me sane. I really wanna know how the Nakamura fight goes.

JOHNSON IS MANHANDLING RICH!!!

I actually feel sorry for Rich!

Round 2 Kiddos! Rich survived.. well.. Johnson let him

We are in a time-out something happened while they were in a clinch. I don’t know if Johnson got kneed in the cup, or what, but he is in a timeout.

So what are you yalls opinions on the DIEGO vearse FITCH FIGHT??? I say Diego winz unamious decission

So what are you yalls opinions on the DIEGO vearse FITCH FIGHT??? I say Diego winz unamious decission

I also think Diego by unanimos decision

So what are you yalls opinions on the DIEGO vearse FITCH FIGHT??? I say Diego winz unamious decission

Obiously, look at your name, we all know who you want to win.

Who do I think is going to win? Its a toss-up.

Depends on what Diego we see.

But I think Koscheck holds the key to Diego’s weakness, and Fitch and Kos are unseperateable.

Fitch wins via decision.

HOLY HELL!!

RICH WINS VIA SUBMISSION!

so the rich and anthany fight is underway right now?

FIGHT UPDATE: Rich Clementi defeats Anthony Johnson via submission (rear naked choke) in round two

So what are you yalls opinions on the DIEGO vearse FITCH FIGHT??? I say Diego winz unamious decission

I see it going to a decision but I think Fitch is going to pull it off. Also fun spell check before you post a message.

HOLY HELL!!

RICH WINS VIA SUBMISSION!

 hey Mr. NC-17 are you whatching the fight live on PPV?

Run… not fun and I just made myself look like an ass.

i have a bet on fitch, liddell, rua, Tavares how do u think i will get on

I meant run and I just made myself look dumb.

you will win one on four, two at most…tyson will win, as well as diego…i like forrest, but will have to be a good night for him to win…liddell will win.

Sanchez is Talented But Fitch is A better wrestler so he should be able to negate Diego’s takedowns and Fitch trains at AKA and every one knows how good those fighters are when it comes to striking.

as Mr.NC-17 said – Fitch by Unanimous Decision

Note: Goldberg makes it official: Liddell fights Wanderlei in December with a win tonight! Something we pretty much knew, but it’s good to get official word.

also depends on if diego is there to fight…could be a long night if he pushes the pace for 15 mins.

i think forrest will get the worst beating he’s ever had. i just dont rate him as a top fighter

I think Liddell, Fitch, Rua and Tyson will win.

maybe not the most talented…but definitely a brawler…his skills do keep improving though

anybody think rich reclaims his title in the rematch in october?

I would agree Forest isn’t the most talented but he makes exciting fights and thats half the battle. No one wants to watch a boring fighter even if he always wins.

Tavares Griffin fight should be great!

what do u guys think will happen in the franklin silva re-match, anderson silva absoloutly destroyed rich last time it was hard to watch. i think silva will submit franklin personally

are griffin and tavares fighting now

I have a feeling that forrest is going to win even though shogun is the most talented fighter at 205.

every pay-per-view has some type of upset and i think It is going to be forrest.

Franklin will have a better showing this time but IMO he won’t beat Anderson.

anybody think rich reclaims his title in the rematch in october?

I don’t think it matters…if Henderson gets his head on straight and moves down to middleweight he will dominate.

rich is a top-tier fighter who was doing well in the fight until the clinch…he actually landed a good shot on silva before silva rushed him with the clinch…i think he will make adjustments and that it will at least be a solid title fight…no easy wins for anderson come october.

…Hendo will be tough to stop at mw.

anybody think rich reclaims his title in the rematch in october?

that is going to be a tough fight because i think franklin is going tentative because he knows what kind of power silva has so it may end up being a boring fight if franklin fights “not to lose” but if he fights “to win” (by that i mean he comes out like he did last time they fought)then he will KTFO.

crazy thought…no it won’t happen…would love to see frank shamrock make a ufc appearance before he’s over the hill…he’s pretty adamant about not fighting in the ufc though.

is the Tyson Griffin vs. Thiago Tavares fight rollin yet?????/

crazy thought…no it won’t happen…would love to see frank shamrock make a ufc appearance before he’s over the hill…he’s pretty adamant about not fighting in the ufc though.

Where did that come from?

And whats going on with the fights?

is the Tyson Griffin vs. Thiago Tavares fight rollin yet?????/

yes

was actually looking at his website today…he has been one of the most dominant fighters in mma…has beat henderson in submission wrestling, beat tito when tito was the man…but has video footage…he can’t stand dana white, and thinks ufc fighters are underpaid…just would love to see him fight the best…it was kind of a random statement

was actually looking at his website today…he has been one of the most dominant fighters in mma…has beat henderson in submission wrestling, beat tito when tito was the man…but has video footage…he can’t stand dana white, and thinks ufc fighters are underpaid…just would love to see him fight the best…it was kind of a random statement

I agree Frank Did just whoop Phil Baroni and he whould have beat Renzo Gracie but got DQ’ed

Thiago Tavares (Pictures) vs. Tyson Griffin (Pictures)
Round 1
The first minute plays out like a kickboxing match, with both fighters looking to strike from the outside. Griffin scored a takedown at the 3:30 mark and scored with a big right hand from his opponent’s guard. Tavares looked for a leg submission, which Tyson easily hopped out of. Tavares briefly took Griffin’s back, but the American had none of it and quickly escaped. An elbow, a huge right hand to the head and body shots landed for Griffin in the final minute of the round. Good action in the first, 10-9 for Tyson Griffin.

This is from Sherdog.com

Any knew updates on the fight?

thanks

ive never whatched Frank before…. heard of him but hes not into the UFC. Although he does have a piont Danaz an ass hole. but is frank related to ken shamrock??? just wondering because of the last names.

superb start

10:33 p.m. — GRIFFIN VS. TAVARES, ROUND 3: Tavares looks pretty beat up but appears fresh. Griffin wrestles him to the ground, though. Pressed against the fence, Griffin throws some shoulders at Tavares. Tavares, though, locks in an arm. Griffin reverses and gets back to his feet. The action slows as Griffin pushes Tavares back into fence. Tavares transitions out of it, but Griffin pushes him right back into the fence. Griffin tries for the takedown but Tavares balances out of it. Griffin stings him with a right, but Tavares shoots in and take him down. Griffin’s wincing and appears to have an eye injury. Griffin gets back to his feet and pins Tavares against the fence. One minute to go. They’re in the clinch, and Griffin connects on a knee. Tavares transitions and gets his back again, but Griffin breaks free and throws some hammer fists. The round ends. It’s another 10-9 round for Griffin in a hugely entertaining fight. It’s likely a 30-27 win for Griffin.

FIGHT UPDATE: Tyson Griffin defeats Thiago Tavares via unanimous decision

10:33 p.m. — GRIFFIN VS. TAVARES, ROUND 3: Tavares looks pretty beat up but appears fresh. Griffin wrestles him to the ground, though. Pressed against the fence, Griffin throws some shoulders at Tavares. Tavares, though, locks in an arm. Griffin reverses and gets back to his feet. The action slows as Griffin pushes Tavares back into fence. Tavares transitions out of it, but Griffin pushes him right back into the fence. Griffin tries for the takedown but Tavares balances out of it. Griffin stings him with a right, but Tavares shoots in and take him down. Griffin’s wincing and appears to have an eye injury. Griffin gets back to his feet and pins Tavares against the fence. One minute to go. They’re in the clinch, and Griffin connects on a knee. Tavares transitions and gets his back again, but Griffin breaks free and throws some hammer fists. The round ends. It’s another 10-9 round for Griffin in a hugely entertaining fight. It’s likely a 30-27 win for Griffin.

Sherdog scored the bout 29-28 for tavares

Tyson Griffin wins by unanimous decision

ive never whatched Frank before…. heard of him but hes not into the UFC. Although he does have a piont Danaz an ass hole. but is frank related to ken shamrock??? just wondering because of the last names.

They were both adopted by the same family but no blood relation and frank used to fight in the ufc and he was a five time defending ufc middleweight champ. he never lost in the octagon

Man i was hopeing Thiago was gonna take this fight. He’s been undefeated so far… but judgeing byy the commentary it seemd like one hell of fight that could have gone eaither way!!!

Tyson Griffin looked awesome, that was a great fight! There is no way Tavares could have got that decision….. Griffin decisively won the first round, and although the pace of the other two rounds were controlled by Tavares, Griffin had the most amazing submission defense, most of the strikes, and countered everything well.

DAMN SHERDOG,DAMN THEM TO HELL.THEY GAVE BISPING 2 ROUNDS OUT OF 3 NEVER WILL I EVER EVEN TYPE ANY SITE IN THAT STARTS WITH SHER,THAT MEANS NO SHEER COVER,NO MORE SHEER ESSENCE NOTHING THEY SUCK AN THEY HATE THE UFC,I LIKE A FIGHT I DON’T CARE WHAT THE 3 LETTERS ARE AS LONG AS THERE’S 2 PEOPLE BOUT TO FIGHT IN SOME TYPE OF STRUCTURED ATMOSPHERE I’M WATCHING UNLESS SHERCAT IS PROMOTING IT,THEN I’LL WATCH I LOVE NEW YORK OR SOMETHING ON VH1.SORRY FOR GOING ON ENJOY THE REST OF THE FIGHTS FELLAS

Thiago gave it his all. A good fight for the fanz.

Griffin v.s Tavares was one of the better fights in the past year and could end up being the fight of the night

I meant run and I just made myself look dumb.

Yes you did! hahaha

DAMN SHERDOG,DAMN THEM TO HELL.THEY GAVE BISPING 2 ROUNDS OUT OF 3 NEVER WILL I EVER EVEN TYPE ANY SITE IN THAT STARTS WITH SHER,THAT MEANS NO SHEER COVER,NO MORE SHEER ESSENCE NOTHING THEY SUCK AN THEY HATE THE UFC,I LIKE A FIGHT I DON’T CARE WHAT THE 3 LETTERS ARE AS LONG AS THERE’S 2 PEOPLE BOUT TO FIGHT IN SOME TYPE OF STRUCTURED ATMOSPHERE I’M WATCHING UNLESS SHERCAT IS PROMOTING IT,THEN I’LL WATCH I LOVE NEW YORK OR SOMETHING ON VH1.SORRY FOR GOING ON ENJOY THE REST OF THE FIGHTS FELLAS

That bisping fight was true BS Hamill won that fight with ease
i like sher dog because it has reliable stats but it does have bad opinions

nakamura vs machida started and machida definately won the first round

nakamura v.s. machida started and machida is currently up 2 rounds IMO with 1 round left

I see it going to a decision but I think Fitch is going to pull it off. Also fun spell check before you post a message.[/quote]

I meant run and I just made myself look dumb.

First off this aint the spellin Bee man so relax. Anywayz Fitch isent in Diegos league…theres no way in hell Fitch beats Diego. Diegos back and is gonna hand FItch a loss mark my words man.

Im so pumped for the diego Jon fitch fight!!

FIGHT UPDATE: Ryoto Machida defeats Kazuhiro Nakamura via unanimous decision

Machida Wins by unanimous decision

First off this aint the spellin Bee man so relax. Anywayz Fitch isent in Diegos league…theres no way in hell Fitch beats Diego. Diegos back and is gonna hand FItch a loss mark my words man.

Fitch is going to win IMO but i would not be surprised if diego does win, he has beaten karo and nick diaz

Diego, Shogun, Liddell… looks like those are a cinch…

Any one whatching Live?

Nice. Machida fails to finish once again

Is the Sanchez fight over yet?

This event is supposed to be called “Knockout”! All I’ve seen are a bunch of decisions and submissions :/

sanchez/fitch update please!…

Nice. Machida fails to finish once again

you are right he has only finished one fight in the past two years

damn fitch is up so far.. hes owning diego

holy crap, another round for fitch easy, diego is trying but DAMN fitch is badass.

Ali dumped Diego for Fitch 2 seconds after the fight!

Fitch beat him on his feet and on the ground.
Diego kept trying submissions while Fitch beat on his head.
Fitch just took him to school on the ground.
It was beautiful !

Finch wins split decision! I couldn’t take it anmore, I bought the pay per view and watching online. Stupid babysitter didn’t show up. Enjoy

FIGHT UPDATE: Jon Fitch defeats Diego Sanchez via split decision

holy crap, jon fitch is badass i could see him taking on gsp, not saying he would win but he would make it a fight.

WHO WON!!!!!!!!!!!!?????

mania do u think that should have been split decision?

YES O Yes Diego your done son!!!

im glad diego lost. fitch is bad***

All that “back to a shot at the title” crap or “road to a title shot” you always read on UFC.com about Diego. All that just a matter of time stuff. Well now it looks like a really long time – untill he ever wears gold!!! BAM

NNNNOOOOO!!!! what the hell!!!!! Man they need to make UFC rounds longer or add more rounds!!!! Diego needs more time. Hes onley lost due too decisiones. Thats wack as hell. Fitch dint WIN Diego juss dint have enough time. Still a Diego fan for life!!!!!!

Fitch should have won by Unanimous Decision 29-28 third round went to diego but one and two go to fitch

when u watch it online ….does it lag at all?

Forrest wins the first round!!! great action.

mania do u think that should have been split decision?

 Why do u question the decission????

SHOGUN is GASSED! Forest is gonna win!

Holly SHITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Forest WINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNs

what up with the Forrest fight

i cant see anyone giving that to diego.

Forresttttttttt winssssssssssssssssssssssss by rear naked choke with 17 seconds left in th final round!

FORREST WINS!!! REAR NAKED CHOKE! 3rd round

Nice. Machida fails to finish once again

 
He went to decision again lol. Yeah with his talent it would be nice to see one that didnt make it to the judges.

Forrest may have just bought himself a title shot! Great fight, one of his bests if not the best.

sucks to see Diego lose but from what i read it sounded pretty close. I like Fitch and Diego but neither is gonna be champ anytime soon by the looks of things.

Forest won?

come on update mania lol

Wow, Forrest Griffin looks better than ever. Good for him. That elbow Shogun landed was bestial, though. Good fight.

Forrest whooped Rua’s ass! hahahah, everyone was talking up Rua like he is unbeatable, sorry suckas.

Forrest is the man and Chucky will have an early knockout….

nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, SHOGUN lost.

LOL HotDog i knew Forrest was gonna do well i guess he faired better then well. And alot of people thought Shgun was gonna rip him apart.

who won between chuck lidell and jardine?

NOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, What the Fuck? Shogun Lost???
Shit

did forest win???

damn, forest won.

Chuck and Jardine, first round was mostly feel out range. Classic chuck. close round but it went to chuck

ok, Where we at with the Chucky fight….

Round 1: Good leg kick and solid hook from Jardine lands flush. Another leg kick from Jardine. Liddell with a good shot. Another good punch from Jardine lands. Good body kick from Jardine. Good right from Liddell. Overhand right misses for Liddell. Liddell chasing down Jardine with lefts and rights. Good right from Jardine. Jardine is cut and swelling a bit around one of his eyes. “Chuck, Chuck” chant starts up. Leg kick from Jardine. And another. Body kick from Jardine. Overhand right from Jardine just misses. Another hard leg kick from Jardine. Good left from Liddell. Good jab from Liddell. Both miss with big punches. Another good shot from Jardine, this time it finds the mark. 2 minutes left in the first. Push kick from Jardine. Liddell wincing from a finger poke he received from Jardine. Karma is a bitch. Head kick from Jardine misses. Liddell opening up more with kicks and punches in a nice combo. Uppercut from Liddell lands partially. Overhand right by Jardine. And another. Solid right from Liddell and Liddell is chasing him down. Jardine smiling and lands a solid leg kick. The two swing a bit after the bell. Good first round. Not the easiest to score.

Liddell/Jardine:

Round 1 – Liddell

Jardine worked in some kicks and avoided Liddells punches (for the most part) but Chuck should get the round. Chuck is stocking Keith though and is looking for a TKO.

Lidell/Jardine:

Round 2 Action

Jardine is hurting Liddell with kicks! He could win if he keeps it up.

damn sounds intense loving this fast reponse :)

42 seconds, 2nd round knockout chucky…

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW Jardine rocked Chuck and won the round clean. It’s anybodys fight for the last round!

Round 2: The two trip each other up a bit throwing simaltaneous leg kicks early in the second. Good jab by Jardine. Nice body kick from Jardine. Jardine drops Liddell with a solid punch. Liddell is back on his feet and seems to be okay. Liddell nails Jardine with a good punch. Solid body kick from Jardine. Liddell has some welts on his body from all those kicks. Another hard shot from Jardine lands. Jardine waving Liddell in, looking more confident. Jardine shakes his head “no” after a shot lands by Liddell. 3 minutes left in the second round. Jardine lands another couple really good punches. Leg kick from Jardine. Another good right by Jardine. Jardine is getting confident. Leg kick from Jardine. And another. Jardine pouring blood out of the side of his head. And his eye is bleeding pretty good on the other side. Good body punch from Jardine. Liddell’s body looks bad from the kicks. Think CroCop-Silva 1. Liddell rocks Jardine with some big punches. He lands a knee. Spinning back fist from Liddell misses. Little over a minute left as Jardine lands another leg kick. And again. Uppercut from Liddell partially lands. Jardine starting to look a bit tired. Liddell is pressing the action more now. Nice right from Liddell. Great round. 40 seconds left. Overhand from Jardine lands on the top of Liddell’s head. Another leg kick from Jardine. He’s chopping away. Body kick from Jardine and Liddell shows it on his face as it lands. Good punch from Liddell as the round ends. Definitely Jardine’s round. Liddell walks to the wrong corner after the horn sounds.

this is a must win for chuck liddell!!! He loses this one and i say it’s tyme to hang up the MMA glovez.

Liddell/Jardine:

Round 3:

Jardine is winning the round with the same kick/punch combos. Chuck needs a TKO to win.

Biggggggggggggggg upset, Keith Jardine wins by split decision. Holy shit.

its over Jardine win win split decision

What happened to the commentary on the first two rounds of the rua vs griffin fight?

The year of the upsets continues….

Im so glad Chuck lost, I dont like Jardine that much but I dislike Chuck very much.

Chuck is such an ass, he lifted his arms into the air the end like he won. It was clear he lost rounds 2 and 3. He kept getting caught over and over with Jardine’s Kick and left punch combo. Get a clue Chuck, he’s gonna do it over and over. But, he still gets caught by it.

I can see that Wanderlei was upset Chucklehead lost.

FORREST VS JARDINE 2 TITLE SHOT TO TTHE WINNER DANA MAKE IT HAPPEN

Come on update who won?

Shogun got his ass kick!

Jardine learned from Rampage that you need to bring it to Liddell…And he did! Those leg/upper-cut combos diffused Liddells striking.

Liddell is done. He a Cro-Cop should rent and apartment together and become lovers.

What a fucking night! THIS is what MMA is all about!

Man fights have been crazy lately. EVeryone i thoulght wuz gonna win 2night lost… Thiogo Diego Shogun and now chuck… and thats just for tonight..geeze..

No way Jardine already convincingly beat Forrest I say play it like this Jardine Vs. Rampage Forrest Vs. Silva Ortiz/Evans Vs. Houston Alexander Liddell vs. Shogun

Keith Jardin outpointed Chuck

i would like to officially say, all you pride fans out there, you no longer have ANY validation that pride fighters are better. For so long everyone talked about how shogun would own him, and shogun would destroy him. Well shogun, tonight, was completely and utterly destroyed by forrest griffin, a good fighter, but by no means a ufc elite. Pride is now officially #2. period.

I cant believe this!!!

Liddell just looked PATHETIC. It will be cool to see The Iceman on Ultimate Fight Night i guess. I’m guessing Forrest vs Silva for the title shot now. They didn’t even seem to make any mention of Jardine moving to the top by beating Liddell. Shows that they were really planning to push Shogun.

diego is a tool

This is a bad loss for chuck liddell and diego Sanchez. I know a loss is bad for any fighter. But both were desperate for wins tonight to end theyre bad reputaiones and shut people up. Even though i think Chucks still a great fighter it looks like his game his slipping. And theres going to be those people who are going to say chuck should retire soon. And chuck shure didnt help this conversation. And a lotta people have questioned Diego a lot. And with his loss he dint shut anyone else up himself. Not off too a good start let the gossip on thease fighter continue i geuss….

WOW! I was right again, I told yall not to hype shogun up. Man, I could look at this dude and tell he wasnt the bad a$$ yall thought. How do you guys come up with your strange thinking of who’s good and who’s not, anyway. Good Job forest, but rampage is gonna tame that tail. Houston needs to be in there somewhere

Well UFC 76 Knockout is inn the books.Let me start by ssaying this was a darn good card.Even though IMO it should of been called UFC 76 “IN THE JUDGES HANDS”.I was really impressed with Forrest he should vast improvement in everything.All you Forrest bashers saying "Its going to be bad for Forrest,Shogun’s a Beast an yadda yadda yadda.All this pride hype is going out the window,Guess we won’t gewt to see CHUCK VS WANDI,an with the win by Jardine where does it put him?What about Houston? Can’t forget about him cause if it wasn’t for him this wouldn’t of happened.But the light eihg divison just got thrown a big monkey wrench in the mix can’t wait to see the fighter rankings after this one.But just think about this—
Jardine beat Forrest
Shogun beat Rampage
Houston beat Jardine
Rampage beat chuck
Forrest beat Shogun
Jardine beat Chuck
Hamill beat bisp o wait forget that one auto rematch
Tito beat Forrest
Chuck beat Tito
It’s just all MINDBOTTLING ain’t it!

What a crazy night, Diego loses, and then Shogun and Lidell get a beating

Keith Jardin outpointed Chuck

Quite right, but Chuck still looked like Shite those last two rounds.

Maybe Wanderlei was shaking his head because he was embarrassed for Chuck. Hey, spend more time in the gym and less making sure you little Mohawk looks perfect.

No way Jardine already convincingly beat Forrest I say play it like this Jardine Vs. Rampage Forrest Vs. Silva Ortiz/Evans Vs. Houston Alexander Liddell vs. Shogun

I could roll with that

What is gonna happen now, oh my god. What a mixed up web.

What a crazy night, Diego loses, and then Shogun and Lidell get a beating

I think Shogun and Liddell losing, that’s crazy. Diego losing to someone like Fitch, not so much.

To all the jokers who phraised SHOGUN as their GOD, there you have it, your Shogun got rear naked choked and tapped like a little school girl. Forrest is “The Natural’s” training partner, but no..shogun this, shogun that! STFU! So here it goes, Keep talking that SH** about Rich Franklin, and the spider will do this and that, just watch! Franklin’s briging the ORKIN man on October 20. Oh and one more thing Liddell Vs Silva is no longer on the card in December, cuz Liddell, lost.

OMG MOST DISSAPOINTING AND SHOCKING UFC EVENT I HAVE EVER SEEN I FEEL LIKE PUKING

Best card out of all the september fights. I’m glad I bought this one in HD.

Other than the Machida fight, this night was awesome. Well worth the money. Fitch was not exciting at all even though I agree with the win. Just like kos, Fitch just nutrualized sanchez. I was more amazed at Sanchez’s attempts than Fitches blocks. On the other hand I was astounded at Griffins reverses than thiagos attempts. This brings a delema in the scoring. Jardines leg kicks were amazing, and Forest suprised the hell out of me. I will go to bed with a big smile on my face tonight.

Biggggggggggggggg upset, Keith Jardine wins by split decision. Holy shit.

Lets be for real now, this was not that big of an upset if it was an upset at all. I thought they both had an equal chance of winning.

tyson griffin was awesome, he gets out of everything, he’s very very good at escaping trouble, very impressed once again by him, i can’t wait to see who he’s fighting next, but he’s getting closer and closer to the top in the lw division…i feel bad diego lost, but fitch just looked so much bigger than him and he was just stronger, theres not much else to say about that, props to fitch and to both fighters for being respectful and professional after the fight, fitch makes it impossible not to like him…forrest griffin just came out and fought, he’s the man, you have to love that guy, i was surprised shogun got so tired, i thought he was trying to lure forrest in a little bit, but it just became obvious he was gassed and forrest just straight up out worked him, mad mad props to forrest, i love it…keith jardine took everything chuck had in that first round and just kept wearing chuck down with those leg and body kicks and it paid off by the end of the fight, by that third round that kick and left hook combo was hitting every single time, chuck was obviously hurting from the kicks, again mad props to keith jardine and to greg jackson as well for finally get a big win…great night of fights, maybe chuck vs. wanderlei just isn’t meant to be…also, props to randy couture and his team for having forrest and tyson in great shape and very well prepared for two big fights, randy continues to impress even when he’s not fighting…

chucky came in again with the belly. scoring tonight was right on target. Chuck will not sleep well for weeks with that side bruise. it was sick. the whole night was sick. finch was a giant. tyson was sherk like. what a night!

Isn’t it kind of ironic that on the pay-per view titled “Knockout”, all the fights went to decision except one which was seconds away from a decision?

WHO WON THE LIDDELL JARDINE FIGHT

if i didn’t order the pay-per-view and someone told me that this is what happened i would have told them they were effin liars. DAMN! but i feel it should go like this…

Rampage vs. Forrest
Silva vs. Jardine
Alexander vs. Shogun

Winner from the Silva vs. Jardine fight, fights the winner from the Shogun vs. Alexander fight to find out who fight s for the belt next. Ortiz vs. Evans is irrelevent. neither of them deserve a shot as it is right now. maybe the winner of that fight can take on Liddell in his farewell to MMA fight because that bastard is finito.

UNFUCKINGBELIEVABLE

Wow!

This was the best card ever put together, not one fight disapointed.

Now here is what will happen in that division.

Rampage vs. Forrest

Wanderlei Silva vs. Houston Alexander

Keith Jardine vs. Lyoto Machida

Tito Ortiz/Rashad Evans vs. Shogun Rua

Chuck Liddell vs. Nakamura? Marvin Eastman? Ross Pointon? What? I dunno!

This was the best fight card ever.

Wow this is crazy. Two huge upsets. Great fights I was happy to see Forest win he looked awesome. He’s one of my favorite fighters because it doesn’t matter who he’s fighting he just brings everything he has every time he fights. Sad to see Chuck lose because I hate to say it but he is done. At 38 years old I dont see him being able to fight long enought to get back in the title picture again. BTW what was up with that second judge ruling in favor of Diego and chuck. I wanted Chuck to win as bad as anyone but he clearly was beaten in the 2nd and 3rd rounds and Diego had some nice submission attempts but he was dominated all 3 rounds in my opinion. Overall exciting fights though would like to see Fitch fight GSP or Karo in his next fight. Koz would be a nice oponet too but I don’t think they will do that in sense they both train together. But I would say if they dont put Fitch up against GSP or Karo he should be next in line for a title shot after Hughes and GSP.

p.s i STILL cannot believe that shogun gassed. work on your cardio buddy. boo. Forrest may have the biggest heart in the whole association. i will never doubt him again

Chuck is as smart as a Rock and his body is as hard as a mashed potato.

Do it Tito!!!

And no people , Forrest will not take that belt from RAMPAGE

“No way Jardine already convincingly beat Forrest I say play it like this Jardine Vs. Rampage Forrest Vs. Silva Ortiz/Evans Vs. Houston Alexander Liddell vs. Shogun”

I think your fight picks are completely off the mark. Have you forgotten Jardine got absolutely owned by Alexander?? And after two straight losses, Silva and White aren’t going to put Liddell in a tough fight where he could lose his 3rd straight. They’ll feed him Machida or someone like that first. At this point I see it as Rampage (although it wouldn’t shock me if the just gave Forrest the title shot)potentially waiting for a fight while Jardine/Silva go and Forrest/Alexander go. I have to think that Shogun fits in there somewhere, maybe against Bisping if Hamill can’t go for their rematch.

OMG MOST DISSAPOINTING AND SHOCKING UFC EVENT I HAVE EVER SEEN I FEEL LIKE PUKING

What do you mean dissapointing?the fights,outcome,how long it was? It was not by no mma means dissapointing maybe to you cause you liked everyone that lost than yeah i can go with that but as for anything else thats just crazy to say man,crazy.

Forrest vs Jardine 2

I say Rampage vs Wanderlie 3 in december for tht undisputed tittle.

alexander vs. Griffin?
Alexander vs. Jardine 2?

Liddell is just to one dimensional anymore. He needs to train with Randy Couture!

Hurah for Forrest!

According to Dana White, it was suppose to be Liddell vs Wanderli Silva next provided Liddell got by Jardine. Will it be Jardine vs Silva now?

how about jardine v houston 2

To all the jokers who phraised SHOGUN as their GOD, there you have it, your Shogun got rear naked choked and tapped like a little school girl. Forrest is “The Natural’s” training partner, but no..shogun this, shogun that! STFU! So here it goes, Keep talking that SH** about Rich Franklin, and the spider will do this and that, just watch! Franklin’s briging the ORKIN man on October 20. Oh and one more thing Liddell Vs Silva is no longer on the card in December, cuz Liddell, lost.

Okay, I was with you until you got on the spider Silva, that guy is for real, why he’s for real i dont know, but he is, where he gets the power from i cant seem to figure it out. Someone told me its the lean muscle like a swimmer, maybe so.

would like to see Fitch fight GSP or Karo in his next fight. Koz would be a nice oponet too but I don’t think they will do that in sense they both train together. But I would say if they dont put Fitch up against GSP or Karo he should be next in line for a title shot after Hughes and GSP.

i agree 100 percent, i say gsp gets the first shot at matt/matt and in the mean time fitch and karo should fight with the winner getting gsp/matt…fitch vs. gsp seems destined to happen, but we’ve all been calling for fitch and karo to fight for a long time now, i really want to see that fight, please already lets see it…

“No way Jardine already convincingly beat Forrest I say play it like this Jardine Vs. Rampage Forrest Vs. Silva Ortiz/Evans Vs. Houston Alexander Liddell vs. Shogun”

I think your fight picks are completely off the mark. Have you forgotten Jardine got absolutely owned by Alexander?? And after two straight losses, Silva and White aren’t going to put Liddell in a tough fight where he could lose his 3rd straight. They’ll feed him Machida or someone like that first. At this point I see it as Rampage (although it wouldn’t shock me if the just gave Forrest the title shot)potentially waiting for a fight while Jardine/Silva go and Forrest/Alexander go. I have to think that Shogun fits in there somewhere, maybe against Bisping if Hamill can’t go for their rematch.

I like your idea of Bisbing vs Shogun. Let Bisbing take an ass whooping for his poor sportsmanship displayed in his gift victory after getting dominated by Matt hamels.

it could still be on the card in december,

“Chuck Liddell and Vanderlai Silvatwo fighters coming off of back to back knock out losses, desperate to reclaim their former glory, the winner starts on the long road back to the belt, and the loser fades in to oblivion”

that would be kickass, maybe not the main event but with bjpenn vs joe stevenson/steroid shark that would be a kickass card.

WOW!!!! So 2 top LHW got ther ass beat, Shogun gased and chuck just got beat. I want to know what the rankings will look like now?

i would like to officially say, all you pride fans out there, you no longer have ANY validation that pride fighters are better. For so long everyone talked about how shogun would own him, and shogun would destroy him. Well shogun, tonight, was completely and utterly destroyed by forrest griffin, a good fighter, but by no means a ufc elite. Pride is now officially #2. period.

Then why does apride fighter hold the UFC 205 belt?

How can anyone be surprised Shogun gassed when his brother was about to collapse against R. Lawler a week ago.

They train together.

I actually gave up on Shogun after seeing that fight. Lawler was the exact same fighter Pete Spratt beat with leg kicks years ago.

Ninja even went for them at the start then stopped.

It was sad

I’m still not counting Shogun out of the title picture though. Not taking anything away from Forrest because he faught an amazing fight, but it definately appeared that Shogun’s conditioning was not up to par and that he gassed mid way throught the 2nd round. He’s only 25 so he has plenty of time to comeback and get the belt someday. I think we’ve learned that the UFC guys are a lot better than people were giving them credit for though as guys like Shogun and Mirko who were supposed to tear apart the UFC haven’t lived up to there hype. I won’t even be surprised to see Fedor lose now if he signs with the UFC after all these crazy upsets lately though.

Funny how they were talking about how “stacked” the light heavyweight division is now. But honestly after tonight i don’t see anyone there that looks like they can beat Rampage. I mean sure anything can happen but i just don’t think it is going to happen.

Fitch vs Karo, very good, now we’re thinking

I think it’s stacked with people who want a shot, but I really don’t think anyone can beat Rampage right now.

YUP no more roids for the chute box guys.It looks like Rampage will hold the belt for a while.IMO

Chuck Liddell is now seriously up for grabs in the middle of the pack of the LHW division after losing two straight. Who wouldnt want to fight and beat Chuck Liddell and make an easy name for themself? Liddell should get Stephan Bonnar or Houston Alexander next. Wanderlei should get Jardine? Forrest should get Rampage? Machida and Shogun? I really dont know….this card really screwed up the LWH standings.

So we didn’t see the judge get his way tonight, results were right with one judge sipping a couple too early, if they had given Chuck the win it would have set the sport back 5 years. The Pride guys aren’t doing so well, when you cant cut off the ring and get your guy into a soft corner they are taking a beating. If Fedor does’nt win Pride will be athing of the past. No ropes here fellows, chain link. Silva may walk over Jardine, Chuckvs Alexander would be huge. And remember you heard it hear. The biggest gate in UFC, when Randy comes hunting Chuck to even the score. Dana White for treasure of UFC, nobody who is President of an organization as big as us the fans have made UFC should have to leiten to some bald idiot say Fuck every third word. Coture for president.

Lets be for real now, this was not that big of an upset if it was an upset at all. I thought they both had an equal chance of winning.

i would like to officially say, all you pride fans out there, you no longer have ANY validation that pride fighters are better. For so long everyone talked about how shogun would own him, and shogun would destroy him. Well shogun, tonight, was completely and utterly destroyed by forrest griffin, a good fighter, but by no means a ufc elite. Pride is now officially #2. period.

Whatever Rampage and Anderson Silva are from pride and they holds UFC belts. Rua and Cro Cop are ring fighters, and Silva and Rampage are cage fighters. Rua will not do well in the UFC

Travo, thats exactly what I was thinking when I was watching the fights. Who’s gonna take rampage, cause I knew Hendo wouldnt

I had a couple of beers and had my wife in a rear naked when I typed the last one so here is the listen…the treasurer…and the ’ in my can’t for you spelling advocates and a couple of spaces for a thing and Chuck vs Alexander. O yea and here….

So we didn’t see the judge get his way tonight, results were right with one judge sipping a couple too early, if they had given Chuck the win it would have set the sport back 5 years. The Pride guys aren’t doing so well, when you cant cut off the ring and get your guy into a soft corner they are taking a beating. If Fedor does’nt win Pride will be athing of the past. No ropes here fellows, chain link. Silva may walk over Jardine, Chuckvs Alexander would be huge. And remember you heard it hear. The biggest gate in UFC, when Randy comes hunting Chuck to even the score. Dana White for treasure of UFC, nobody who is President of an organization as big as us the fans have made UFC should have to leiten to some bald idiot say Fuck every third word. Coture for president.

As for the Forrest fight, me and only a few others on this site called that one! So many people hated us for chosing Forrest to win too! All I gots to say is BOOYAH! Forrest has got heart, thats all you need man.

Not a big upset? 4.5 to 1 dog by the sportsbooks with how long Chuck has dominated for and Jardine’s only signifigant win really being over Forest how can u not consider this an upset?

I dont go by sport books or what they did years ago, I go by how they look now, and at this point in time, Liddel and Jardean are pretty equal

Funny how they were talking about how “stacked” the light heavyweight division is now. But honestly after tonight i don’t see anyone there that looks like they can beat Rampage. I mean sure anything can happen but i just don’t think it is going to happen.

I think Silva is the last stacked hope, Maybe ALexander…But I still see Rampage being able to control the tempo with Silva now that the crazy soccer kicks are out of question(not that they do not bring anythingelse but I think those soccer kicks and stomps add to the mayhem that is the Chute Boxe style.

Also I know Fitch had top control the whole time in his fight with Diego, but he did very little and I thought Diego worked more out of the goard then fitch did from the top. How does that fit in for scoring. Rogan was saying that more points are given to the person ptting fighter in to dangerous situation then the escape or reversal. If that stands true, I guess that is the true weakness of the 10 point must system(as they stated early int he show) wouldn’t Diego have been considered the more aggresive and busy fighter. Diego went for as many submissions as Fitch thru punches probably. The way I see some of the posts written about their fight you would think Diego got owned. It was far from that. that could have conceivably went another 2 rounds without a true winner. If you go back and watch tghe fight every scamble Diego shoots for a submission. Just some fodder for thought. Trying to figure this out in my head after seeing Rhua Gas like his brother Ninja last week against Robbie Lawler.

KARO! Karo is the litmus test to finding out who’s who at welterweight. A seeminly stacked class has become very unstable since the lightweights have split off. Puncher’s chance has played a role, sure, but Sanchez loses 2 in a row? I know Karo lost to Sanchez but imagine him against GSP, Kos, and now Fitch. I love Hughes, but his mind is at home being Daddy (I can relate). Serra’s a FLUKE! GSP is a fight God. Watch out for Vera, he’s the only threat at this point at heavy. WHO’S Vanderlei gonna fight NOW? Jardine just peed in the Fertitti bros. Wheaties on that one, right? I life Griffin (155) vs. Kenflo for the next big lights fight. GREAT month for UFC. Anybody got a hint on WEC champs getting their foot in the door? Faber might be interesting in the UFC.

Wired and TIRED. Got church early….The real Ultimate fighter….. JC

Props to the people that chose Jardine to win. I wasnt one of them. Liddell is relying entirely way too much on his striking ability, and Jardine exploited it after the first round. He utilized his kicks and threw in some nice combination punches after. Grats to Jardine!

Whatever Rampage and Anderson Silva are from pride and they holds UFC belts. Rua and Cro Cop are ring fighters, and Silva and Rampage are cage fighters. Rua will not do well in the UFC

Its good to see people are starting to mention Houston name in here for a possible named match up. I usually a pretty good call on fighters. And I think Houston got the tools but, if I’m wrong on this, just like a whole slew of you were about shogun then go ahead and blast me.

The Assassin Vs The Dean of Mean 2? You must wanna make him The Dean of Dreams, Houston would knock him the f*ck again! Jardine will get Silva in December it’s only fair, if Liddell was going to get him had he won. Forrest at the very least earned a shot at Rampage by dominating and submitting Shogun. So check it, Ortiz Vs Evans 2 is set. Hamill Vs Bisping 2 is coming. Look at the division, Liddell lost so did Shogun they should fight each other. Houston and Machida both won, they should fight each other. So use common sense. The way it might happen is.
Griffin Vs Rampage for the Title
Jardine Vs Silva in December
Ortiz Vs Evans 2 in November
Hamill Vs Bisping 2
Liddell Vs Shogun (unless they want to give them each a tomato
Houston Vs Machida in December (poor, poor Machida)

Travo, thats exactly what I was thinking when I was watching the fights. Who’s gonna take rampage, cause I knew Hendo wouldnt

i think maybe wanderlai silva, well see how he does if not, then… maybe forrest could take him….LOL, i think rampage will rule the division for quite a while.

i think maybe wanderlai silva, well see how he does if not, then… maybe forrest could take him….LOL, i think rampage will rule the division for quite a while.

Hey, you know, maybe Wandi. I’m not quite sold on Forest beating Rampage yet. Cause really dont think Shogun was that much anyway, but I could be wrong

i think maybe wanderlai silva, well see how he does if not, then… maybe forrest could take him….LOL, i think rampage will rule the division for quite a while.

I was really thinking Wanderlei has the best chance. But with the changes Rampage has made, and Wanderlei looking to be possibly on the downside of his career, i just don’t think he can do it anymore.

And honestly, after watching Liddell tonight, I think it’s best for him that he doesn’t have to fight Wanderlei. And definately no third fight against Rampage.

But then again Liddell and Silva are both coming off of 2 straight losses now…

The Assassin Vs The Dean of Mean 2? You must wanna make him The Dean of Dreams, Houston would knock him the f*ck again! Jardine will get Silva in December it’s only fair, if Liddell was going to get him had he won. Forrest at the very least earned a shot at Rampage by dominating and submitting Shogun. So check it, Ortiz Vs Evans 2 is set. Hamill Vs Bisping 2 is coming. Look at the division, Liddell lost so did Shogun they should fight each other. Houston and Machida both won, they should fight each other. So use common sense. The way it might happen is.
Griffin Vs Rampage for the Title
Jardine Vs Silva in December
Ortiz Vs Evans 2 in November
Hamill Vs Bisping 2
Liddell Vs Shogun (unless they want to give them each a tomato
Houston Vs Machida in December (poor, poor Machida)

Sounds good to me.

Forrest whooped Rua’s ass! hahahah, everyone was talking up Rua like he is unbeatable, sorry suckas.

LOL!! Kinda like Chuck Liddell too huh? It’s time for them Iceman fans to jump off of his washed up wagon! People are always quick to say that Tito is washed up, so is Chuck “Sucks” Liddell!

Does anyone else agree that it kinda looked like Chuck threw the fight? I mean why would he, but it kinda looked that way to me. you would think that in the 3rd he would have turned it on considering how it was going, and why didn’t he realize he should see the kicks coming after the he was hit the same way over and over?

I could roll with that

I think Silva is the last stacked hope, Maybe ALexander…But I still see Rampage being able to control the tempo with Silva now that the crazy soccer kicks are out of question(not that they do not bring anythingelse but I think those soccer kicks and stomps add to the mayhem that is the Chute Boxe style.

Also I know Fitch had top control the whole time in his fight with Diego, but he did very little and I thought Diego worked more out of the goard then fitch did from the top. How does that fit in for scoring. Rogan was saying that more points are given to the person ptting fighter in to dangerous situation then the escape or reversal. If that stands true, I guess that is the true weakness of the 10 point must system(as they stated early int he show) wouldn’t Diego have been considered the more aggresive and busy fighter. Diego went for as many submissions as Fitch thru punches probably. The way I see some of the posts written about their fight you would think Diego got owned. It was far from that. that could have conceivably went another 2 rounds without a true winner. If you go back and watch tghe fight every scamble Diego shoots for a submission. Just some fodder for thought. Trying to figure this out in my head after seeing Rhua Gas like his brother Ninja last week against Robbie Lawler.

I am a bit befuddled by the posts in this thread.

Off the top of my head, the top Pride fighters have a 7-4 record against UFC fighters (9-6 record overall because they’ve fought each other twice), with two former Pride fighters having defeated the at-the-time top UFC fighters in the LHW and MW classes (Liddell and Franklin). Just so it’s clear, I’m considering the following former Pride fighters, and I may have missed a fight somewhere, but I think this is correct: CroCop (1-2), Shogun (0-1), Nogueira (1-0), Herring (1-2), Jackson (3-0), Henderson (0-1), and Anderson Silva (3-0). One of the aforementioned losses was Herring’s loss to O’Brien, which was essentially Herring being ill-prepared and O’Brien taking him down and laying on him for three rounds – hardly an impressive victory. At one point, Herring was on his back making fun of O’Brien’s tactics (clearly Herring was frustrated). Even if you consider all four losses legit examples of a UFC fighter being clearly superior to a Pride fighter on a given night, Pride is still 7-4.

So, how is/was Pride #2?

Also, to say the Jardine’s win wasn’t an upset is astonishing. Even if you ignore the odds (which are obviously quite relevant, as odds makers know what they’re doing…check the track record) and only focus on recent history (and for the poster who made this claim, I’ll assume you mean Liddell’s loss to Jackson, because that was the only blemish in his recent history), Liddell seemed to be clearly the superior fighter. His recent history consisted of two wins against Couture, a win against Ortiz, a win against Sobral, and a one punch loss to Jackson (who’s no slouch…he’s just the Undisputed LHW Champ). Jardin’s recent history consists of wins against below average fighters, Bonnar, Griffin (seemingly a higher quality win in light of Griffin’s victory against Shogun), and KO loss to Houston Alexander. Recent history shows Liddell beating much better fighters and losing a much better fighter. So, recent history suggests Liddell is a superior fighter.

Anyway…I’m suprised Rua lost. I’m slightly less surprised that Liddell lost. I’m not surprised that Fitch won, although I’m not convinced he has a shot against St. Pierre or Hughes.

Shogun was horrible ! # 1 ranked light heavyweight my ASS !!
I wonder who gets the next crack at a title ?

I got stomped on my predictions. Well, spida was right. At least I got the Griffin/Thavares fight correct /sigh

I thought it was bullshit that the Fitch and Liddell fights were split decisions. Those were clear wins for them imo. As far as Forrest beating Shogun’s ass, I’m not sure what to say. Oh well

Serra is definately a fluke. Hughes is gonan rip him apart for the season finale.

Hate these people always trying to make it a Pride vs UFC battle. I mean I started watching the UFC so hated when guys would say things like the UFC has no heavyweights and Cro Cop is gonna dominate everyone. But lets face it there’s good fighters from both. Like Matt said Ramapge and Anderson Silva are from Pride and their both dominating there respective divisions. Don’t forget that this was Rua’s first fight in the UFC and adjusting to the rule change can be tough as well as the adreneline boost may have contributed to him gassing. Shogun will be fine Forest was just the better man tonight, but there is no reason to bash Pride or UFC lets just be excited about how competitive every division is now that it is stacked with talented fighters. Before the aquisition of Pride the light heavyweight division consisted of Tito knocking out Shamrock and Chuck knocking out tito every fight now there is half a dozen guys in line for a title shot.

Damn…Sounds like I missed a hell of a PPV.

I agree that fight was close but I’d have to say Fitch won every round. Sure Diego went from submision attempt to submision attempt but the fact is fitch dodged all of them and stayed on top of Diego. I kinda see failed submision attempts the same as someone throughing home run punches and missing cause if the guy is able to dodge them all did u really inflict any damage on him. Diego is still on of the top weilterweights but Fitch just proved tonight he is top 3 with GSP and Hughes (we’ll see in a few months whether or not Serra was a fluke I personally don’t feel he’s a top 10 wealteweight but we will find out).

Thanks for the response I as trying to make sense of it with all the problems as of late with the 10 must system it is starting to get pretty confusing from ppv event o to ppv event. Mat Hamill lost because he ws not aggressive from the top position(supposedly) yet diego busy from the bottom position and he loses the fight. Gets crazy. I wish they would go to a true ju-jitsu scoring system with a striking addition. 2 points take down 1 point escape, 1 point control, then they can total that some how with striking aggression at the end of round. Something has to be done to standardize the point system. It is becoming its own worst enemy by not having its own point sytstem…

Hows this for a PPV…

Title = “CONFIMATION”
Tim Silva vs Kongo
Cro-cop vs Herring
Silva vs Liddell
Houston vs Griffin
Anderson Silva vs Dan Henderson
Did Sherk lose the title yet? If so K-flo vs Stevenson and Griffin vs BJ Penn. To firm up who is the top 2.

poor poor jardine

poor guy took all three rounds to whip the old dudes ass

The Assassin Vs The Dean of Mean 2? You must wanna make him The Dean of Dreams, Houston would knock him the f*ck again! Jardine will get Silva in December it’s only fair, if Liddell was going to get him had he won. Forrest at the very least earned a shot at Rampage by dominating and submitting Shogun. So check it, Ortiz Vs Evans 2 is set. Hamill Vs Bisping 2 is coming. Look at the division, Liddell lost so did Shogun they should fight each other. Houston and Machida both won, they should fight each other. So use common sense. The way it might happen is.
Griffin Vs Rampage for the Title
Jardine Vs Silva in December
Ortiz Vs Evans 2 in November
Hamill Vs Bisping 2
Liddell Vs Shogun (unless they want to give them each a tomato
Houston Vs Machida in December (poor, poor Machida)

That’s perfect! UFC should put you in charge of match-making. Good stuff.

Statistically The Light Heavyweights in the UFC Rank Like This

1.Rampage
2.Houston Alexander
3.Keith Jardine
4.Forrest Griffin
5.Chuck Liddell
6.Shogun
7.Tito Ortiz
8.Rashad Evans
9.Lyoto Machida
10.Stephan Bonnar

And Soon To Be UFC Fighter
11.Wanderlei Silva (He Holds 2 wins over Rampage)

The UFC Welterweights Stack-up like This

1.Matt Serra
2.Matt Hughes
3.George St.pierre
4.Jon Fitch
5.Josh Koscheck
6.Karo Parisyan
7.Josh Burkman
8.Drew Fickett
9.Marcus Davis
10.Chris Lytle

great card, another feather in the UFC’s cap. anyone not attached to the losing fighters should agree that the decisions were all solid too, which the UFC really needed to have after the atrocity of Bisping-Hamil. whoever is calling for throwing out the 10 point scoring system to go to a jujitsu system is just plain wrong. first, this isn’t pure jujitsu, so why try to turn it into a jujitsu league? sure, it is one of the disciplines used, but not the only one, and if the UFC wants to keep building its market here in the US the last thing they should do is start using some complicated scoring system many fans here wouldn’t be familiar with. plus, fans love striking more than any other aspect of the sport, and they don’t want to pay $50 to watch some guy put on a takedown clinic wracking up points for a win. they want to see striking, knees, elbows, KNOCKOUTS.

who ever came up with those rankings has got to be smokin something…and as for no one being able to beat rampage shogun has a pretty good shot

to anthrax. top pride fighters are coming over and losing to ufc members which aren’t even top contenders. there are excellent fighters in both and i am a fan of both but compare apples to apples

who ever came up with those rankings has got to be smokin something…and as for no one being able to beat rampage shogun has a pretty good shot

I meant Alexander or Forrest but shogun has beatin him already

Dynamite- most ridiculous rankings i have ever seen. what are u thinknig

also shogun vs liddell??

And also anderson silva is not a pride guy! he only fought a few times for the organization. Was places before and after pride. fighters are fighters, prior to zuffa taking over pride, if there was a UFCvsPRIDE tournament it would all depend on if they fought in a ring or cage, makes a huge huge difference.

I find it interesting that when most fans talk about the lightweight division, they leave out Frank Edgar. Who else thinks that this guy is the future of the division? He looked incredible against Tyson Griffin.

I think Edgar is the only guy who can beat Sherk because his wrestling matches up and his striking is better. As much as I like KenFlo, he’s not going to submit Sherk in a rematch.

Forrest did an amazing job.
He fought and had Shogun by the balls ‘til the very last twenty seconds. He didn’t want it to go to the judges but he had the option of tapping him out several times. He wanted a knockout but when it’s between submission and the judges,
take the submission. Way more reliable then the Judges.
“split decision.”
no, not likely.

to anthrax. top pride fighters are coming over and losing to ufc members which aren’t even top contenders. there are excellent fighters in both and i am a fan of both but compare apples to apples

Well, I have no explanation for CroCop. He lost, twice. The rumor is he was injured in his second loss, but who knows. So, those are two legit losses to two UFC HWs. However, Gonzaga does seem to be a top contender in the UFC. Kongo does not. But, it’s still up in the air as to what happened in that fight. Nonetheless, those are two legit losses, but I would argue only one to a non-contender.

Herring’s loss was to an incomplete (yet undefeated fighter). There is no excuse for that. But, Herring was never a Pride champ. He lost to Nogueira, he lost to CroCop, he lost to Fedor. He was an above average Pride HW, but clearly not an elite fighter. And, as I stated earlier, I’m not sure Jake O’Brien actually won a “fight.” He didn’t fight at all. But, I suppose it’s moot, as Herring wasn’t an elite fighter.

If we eliminate Herring from the equation (focusing on elite Pride fighters), the Pride record against UFC fighters is 6-3, with victories against Liddell, Franklin, Leben, Lutter, Eastman, and Sanchez and losses against Griffin, Gonzaga, and Kongo. So, former Pride fighters have defeated two UFC fighters who were the top competitors in their respective weight classes, two above average fighters, and two average fighters. UFC fighters have defeated one two former Pride fighters who were arguably one and two (Shogun and CroCop) in their weight classes in Pride.

The two top UFC fighter who got a shot at contending Pride fighters (remember, Jackson and Silva were not the top guys in their class in Pride) lost. The two top Pride fighters (I’m considering CroCop a top guy, although he was clearly number two in the pecking order) who got a shot at contending UFC figthers lost. That’s a push to me.

So, there’s the revised record of 6-3, with two wins against the top UFC fighters at the time.

My point is that, from this data, it doesn’t make much sense to conclude that Pride is number two. They’ve clearly held their own, and this is admirable considering that they’re fighting under new rules and in a new envirnment. UFC fighters have had to make no adjustments in that respect.

Dynamite- most ridiculous rankings i have ever seen. what are u thinknig

also shogun vs liddell??

Those rankings are not my opinion i ranked them like that so if you were looking at who has beaten who, and that really matters to Joe Silva (the ufc match maker).

Rampage is number one because he is the champ
Houston Beat Jardine who Beat Griffin who beat shogun who has beaten Rampage
Stephan Bonnar is Ranked because he has a win over jardine
Tito Beat Griffin who beat Shogun
Chuck Is inter-changeable between 5-10
Rashad Beat Bonnar who beat jardine

The UFC Welterweights Stack-up like This

1.Matt Serra
2.Matt Hughes
3.George St.pierre
4.Jon Fitch
5.Josh Koscheck
6.Karo Parisyan
7.Josh Burkman
8.Drew Fickett
9.Marcus Davis
10.Chris Lytle

I made a mistake on # 6. which should be diego sanchez and every one else moves back a spot, knocking lytle off the list

Lawler and Diaz need to come back to the UFC. forget elite xc these guys are both top 10 in their divisions and will not find legit opponents elsewhere.

completely off topic,just wanted to put it out there