UFC 75: Michael Bisping post-fight comments on win over Hamill

he’s trying to cover his arse, which is fine. a rematch will tell the tale.

I understand that his words after the match were because he was hyped! Remember, he was goaded to fight Hamill for the longest time and he wasn’t too pleased about it.
I disagree with his (Bisping) opinion about winning rounds 2 and 3. If anything, it was a toss-up for round 3; Hamill got the first two rounds.
I can’t wait to see the rematch!

the worst decision of the night wasn’t the hamill bisping decision it was Fedor not deciding to sign with the UFC. What’s the F***ing hold up!

They should teach they fighters how to speak after they had a match, win or lose! Words said in the heat of the moment can really hurt a career….remember Babalu?

“They should teach the fighters”….(sorry)

You ever heard of “Public Relations” and damage control? I do not believe he wrote this..Just like the President never writes his speeches. His team needs to make nice even if he does not entirely mean it.

As stated above, the rematch will determine and settle this once and for all. London is still calling Bisping. Give them the pad back.

Robodad: he was goaded to fight Hamill, but with the new perspective on Bisping’s attitude, the ‘goading’ was less about other people and more about Bisping’s insecure childishness. He could have easily responded to that ‘goading’ by saying that he won the Ultimate Fighter, but they probably would have fought if Hamill hadn’t been hurt, and if the fans want to see him beat Hamill, then lets fight. Instead he consistently talked crap about Hamill and how he didn’t belong in the same ring.

I think Bisping has some serious arrogance/insecurity issues.

Dude fought with some heart. I dont think this statement was easy for him. He truly is victim of being a tool – throw the man a bone.

How in the blue hell can he think he took rounds 2 and 3? He started to bring it in round 3 but so what, Hamill worked him good in the first round and even in the 2nd when he was starting to gas. Have them fight where the UFC doesnt need to throw a bullshit decision to avoid a riot.

The rematch is not going to happen anytime soon as Hamill is going to have his knee surgery soon. That’s why he kept most of the fights standing up, letting Bisping up.

That’s fine Bisping, chalk is a win although; you didn’t win! Hey Dana, feed Bisping Wanderlei Silva in December! Give us something to talk about for a year or so.

I dont believe anything this guy says. What a low class bum.

I WAS PISSED ABOUT THE FIGHT AND KIND OF MAD AT BISPING WIN N A FIGHT THAT HE CLEARLY DID NOT, BUT IT DOES TAKE A MAN TO ADMIT WHEN SOMETHING WRONG GOES DOWN, AND U DO HAVE TO ADMIT WHEN UR BLOOD IS PUMP N FAST U SAY THINGS MAYBE WITHOUT THINKING IT THROUGH ALL THE WAY!! I AM SURPRISED THAT EVEN THE FANS CHEERED, I MEAN WE HAVE HAD FAN FAVORITES BEFORE WIN WHEN THEY WERE NOT SUPPOSED TO!! EVERYBODY WANTS THEIR FIGHTER TO WIN BUT U WANT TO SEE IT THE RIGHT WAY!!

BUT I GIVE CREDIT TO BISPING FOR WANTING A REMATCH, AND THIS TIME LETS SEE THE FIGHT SOMEWHERE ELSE!!

Like I commented in a previous thread, I rewatched round two and scrutinized it. IMHO according to the rules in effect, Bisping did win round 2 by counterpunching while Hamill missed just about every single strike he did and didn’t capitalize at all on two weak takedowns (which Bisping easily stood up from and endured with an active guard). If you only watched the fight once, please watch it a few times again before you trash this decision anymore. Hamill may be the moral victor, and would be probably be so if the fight was scored as a whole, but the case is we have a sucky 10 point must scoring system from boxing which just doesn’t fit well. The two American judges did their jobs right while the British one didn’t, which should raise an eyebrow or two.

If you take another look at the rules in effect, octagon control is the last criteria – but it was really the only one Hamill won clearly, thus giving the impression of him winning. Unfortunately you still gotta land shots and do something with takedowns to actually score. Just bulldozing forward and taking counterpunches doesn’t do that, no matter how crappy your opponent looks and how much he runs away.

Bisping’s post fight comments sucked, but I can understand he felt cornered and stressed (due to his obviously poor performance). I do think he repairs it reasonably well with this statement and a willingness to rematch.
After that he should move down to 185 though…

Like I commented in a previous thread, I rewatched round two and scrutinized it. IMHO according to the rules in effect, Bisping did win round 2 by counterpunching while Hamill missed just about every single strike he did and didn’t capitalize at all on two weak takedowns (which Bisping easily stood up from and endured with an active guard). If you only watched the fight once, please watch it a few times again before you trash this decision anymore. Hamill may be the moral victor, and would be probably be so if the fight was scored as a whole, but the case is we have a sucky 10 point must scoring system from boxing which just doesn’t fit well. The two American judges did their jobs right while the British one didn’t, which should raise an eyebrow or two.

If you take another look at the rules in effect, octagon control is the last criteria – but it was really the only one Hamill won clearly, thus giving the impression of him winning. Unfortunately you still gotta land shots and do something with takedowns to actually score. Just bulldozing forward and taking counterpunches doesn’t do that, no matter how crappy your opponent looks and how much he runs away.

Bisping’s post fight comments sucked, but I can understand he felt cornered and stressed (due to his obviously poor performance). I do think he repairs it reasonably well with this statement and a willingness to rematch.
After that he should move down to 185 though…

Personally, i dont even care to see a rematch anytime soon. and bisping didnt do anything to escape the ground, hamill let bisping up. regardless of the round scoring system bisping got his ass whooped in the stand up by MATT HAMILL THE WRESTLER!! that was priceless. if bisping wasnt so scared he could of,probably, knocked matt out with a left hook.(matt kept his right hand against his body everytime he came in with the left). i’ve seen the judges give many rounds to a fighter because of takedowns regardless of how much damage they inflict.

MATT HAMILLS OWN WORDS.. “I think MMA is a great sport and I don’t believe in any kind of a fix. The two judges that scored the win for Bisping obviously need to re-evaluate the way they score a fight. You can’t win a fight when you run for three rounds. They need to study the criteria for scoring an MMA fight: effective striking, grappling, takedowns, aggression and control. Bisping did none of that in my opinion.” i would have to agree.

the worst decision of the night wasn’t the hamill bisping decision it was Fedor not deciding to sign with the UFC. What’s the F***ing hold up!

Hahaha, we want the Ruskies!

And to his credit, at least Bisping is trying to a little more sportsmanship now. But yeah, BRING ON THE REMATCH! Stoked!

sigh…. goddamn can never put in a correct comment….."at least Bisping is trying to show a little more sportsmanship now. " is what I mean. show.

Like I commented in a previous thread, I rewatched round two and scrutinized it. IMHO according to the rules in effect, Bisping did win round 2 by counterpunching while Hamill missed just about every single strike he did and didn’t capitalize at all on two weak takedowns (which Bisping easily stood up from and endured with an active guard). If you only watched the fight once, please watch it a few times again before you trash this decision anymore. Hamill may be the moral victor, and would be probably be so if the fight was scored as a whole, but the case is we have a sucky 10 point must scoring system from boxing which just doesn’t fit well. The two American judges did their jobs right while the British one didn’t, which should raise an eyebrow or two.

If you take another look at the rules in effect, octagon control is the last criteria – but it was really the only one Hamill won clearly, thus giving the impression of him winning. Unfortunately you still gotta land shots and do something with takedowns to actually score. Just bulldozing forward and taking counterpunches doesn’t do that, no matter how crappy your opponent looks and how much he runs away.

Bisping’s post fight comments sucked, but I can understand he felt cornered and stressed (due to his obviously poor performance). I do think he repairs it reasonably well with this statement and a willingness to rematch.
After that he should move down to 185 though…

Excellent comment. I agree with everything you wrote.

I still think that Bisping has a lot of potential and can be a powerful force in the MW division but that he’s lost his focus lately. He simply doesn’t look as sharp or as aggressive as he used to.

Well, at least he’s trying to show a little sportsmanship now. Bring on the rematch!

The problem is not what Bisping said, it’s the fact that 2 judges had him win that fight when one had it right giving all 3 rounds to Hamill. The downfall to boxing was it’s corruption when it came to judging. Dana, being a big boxing fan, knows this. That fight was the biggest pile of bullshit I have ever seen in MMA. That is the exact type of shit that will ruin the UFC. When these two judges are ever working a fight, It should be announced that they were the crooked judges who scored the Bisping Hamill fight…thats if they aren’t fired.

            Dana! You know what happened to boxing!!!

I give Bisping credit for wanting a re-match to settle this. It’s not an easy thing to swallow your pride like he did.

Being an MMA fan from the uk (That means i like the ground game too) I was severely disappointed to hear those comments from Bisbing “Go back to Wrestling” and he has cast a shadow of the sporting integrity of our nation. Especially after it was so clear that Hamill has come a long way since TUF3.

I also thought Hamill won the fight, purely because he was the aggressor….but lets be HONEST… really HONEST, he didn’t really do F**K ALL. He followed up a really sloppy lead jab with some half assed takedowns. I’m not saying Bisbing won, although i wanted him to. It may have looked like Hamill was a clear winner but you can’t award a fight because one guy was walking forward more than the other.

End of the Day, that was a crappy fight and neither one of them did any damage. Should have been a draw i think in hind sight, but on the night I thought it would be Hamill.

I really never imagined this sort of thing would start creeping into MMA….

The funny thing is, i was ADDICTED to the UFC & PRIDE long before Bisbing, and still will be long after he’s gone. Hopefully one or two more “real” Brits with honour can come through the ranks!

I think Bisings gone all soft – throw him in there with the real animals, if not wanderlei – then Machida at least !

The rematch is not going to happen anytime soon as Hamill is going to have his knee surgery soon. That’s why he kept most of the fights standing up, letting Bisping up.

Seriously? Is this true? I didn’t know that. Yeah, I was wondering why he didn’t take the fight to the ground… When is his surgery? I wonder how long it will take to recooperate…

I think Bisings gone all soft – throw him in there with the real animals, if not wanderlei – then Machida at least !

it was a motherfucking decision!!! hamil won the fight!!! bisping is the worst fighter i’ve ever seen!!! bisping sucks!!!

It’s good that he said something. I’m not really THAT interested in a rematch. It would be more productive to simply make sure the officiating is better going forward. It was a turd of a decision. I only watched it once- as it happened- and no, I’m not going back to watch it again. I was 100% certain Hamill would get a unanimous decision made up of either 29-28 or 30-27 scores.

Again, not Bisping’s fault that the judgement was blown. And I’m sure he’ll be a bit more respectful of his opponent from here on out.

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If you only watched the fight once, please watch it a few times again before you trash this decision anymore. Hamill may be the moral victor, and would be probably be so if the fight was scored as a whole, but the case is we have a sucky 10 point must scoring system from boxing which just doesn’t fit well. The two American judges did their jobs right while the British one didn’t, which should raise an eyebrow or two.
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Bisping is an ass. He still thinks he won the fight, when clearly he got his ass handed to him. I don’t want to see a rematch unless there are sanctioned judges, not some locals the UFC hires to create another controversy. Hamil will dominate him any time and any place.

Like I commented in a previous thread, I rewatched round two and scrutinized it. IMHO according to the rules in effect, Bisping did win round 2 by counterpunching while Hamill missed just about every single strike he did and didn’t capitalize at all on two weak takedowns (which Bisping easily stood up from and endured with an active guard). If you only watched the fight once, please watch it a few times again before you trash this decision anymore. Hamill may be the moral victor, and would be probably be so if the fight was scored as a whole, but the case is we have a sucky 10 point must scoring system from boxing which just doesn’t fit well. The two American judges did their jobs right while the British one didn’t, which should raise an eyebrow or two.

If you take another look at the rules in effect, octagon control is the last criteria – but it was really the only one Hamill won clearly, thus giving the impression of him winning. Unfortunately you still gotta land shots and do something with takedowns to actually score. Just bulldozing forward and taking counterpunches doesn’t do that, no matter how crappy your opponent looks and how much he runs away.

Bisping’s post fight comments sucked, but I can understand he felt cornered and stressed (due to his obviously poor performance). I do think he repairs it reasonably well with this statement and a willingness to rematch.
After that he should move down to 185 though…

I agree round 2 was alot closer then people think i too watch it a second time, Hamill still should have got the decision but o well let then rematch.

Being from the UK, and a fan of “MMA” (That means i like the ground game too) I was severely disappointed to hear those comments from Bisbing “Go back to Wrestling” and he has cast a shadow of the sporting integrity of our nation. Especially after it was so clear that Hamill has come a long way since TUF3.

I also thought Hamill won the fight, purely because he was the aggressor and took Bisbings game away. but lets be HONEST… really HONEST, he didn’t really do F**K ALL. He followed up a really sloppy lead jab with some half assed takedowns. I’m not saying Bisbing won, although i wanted him to. It may have looked like Hamill was a clear winner but you can’t award a fight because one guy was walking forward more than the other.

End of the Day, that was a crappy fight and neither one of them did any damage. Should have been a draw i think in hind sight, but on the night I thought it would be Hamill.

I really never imagined this sort of thing would start creeping into MMA….

The funny thing is, i was ADDICTED to the UFC & PRIDE long before Bisbing, and still will be long after he’s gone. Dana doesn’t need Bisbing to get UFC going in Europe/UK. All my favourite fighters are from USA or Brazil, but that said Hopefully one or two more “real” Brits with honour can come through the ranks!

If fighters really want to win without a doubt they need to TKO or KO their opponent. Any time you give it to the judges to decide its a gamble.

Bisping had no choice but to release this statement. He wants to rebuild the fan base that he lost with those post fight comments. His excuse about adrenalin is the best reason he could come up with for those comments. I’m not convinced because he still believes he won. The truth is he got his ass whipped for three rounds. Matt was pressing the action the whole fight. If Bisping said that he lost that one, but would be better prepared for the rematch I’d have a lot more respect for him.

Good for bisping apoligizing about post fight comments, i knew he was hyped up and didn’t mean it,,but as for saying he took round 2 and 3,???? i wanted him to say he lost the fight. oh well cant wait for the rematch!
WE SHOULD GET IT FOR FREE ASWELL!
I got a perfect card, Bisping vs Hamill… Ortiz vs Evans… Nate Diaz vs Gamburyan… And Maynard vs Emmerson to kick the night off!!
call it—“unfinished business” or some shit..
Probably should have one more fight added, but stuck on who else to clear up a beef with? any suggestions??

As everyone has said depending on which way you score the fight will give a different result. Hamill pressed the game nd pushed the pace, but besides the 1st round didnt hurt bisping. On the other side bisping didnt get going untill midway through the second.
Easy way to judge these type of matches, draw with a rematch made as soon as possible. yes im a bisping supporter, but there wasnt a clear winner, rematch has to happen.

Hahaha, we want the Ruskies!

And to his credit, at least Bisping is trying to a little more sportsmanship now. But yeah, BRING ON THE REMATCH! Stoked!

I agree, at least he said this and acknowledged the controvercy. Up until this point, he had acted like it was extremely obvious that he had won the fight and was pissed anyone could possibly think otherwise.

Actually, a rematch I am looking forward to, not like Tito/rashad2,

Totally covering his ass. He did not win the fight IMO, even after watching the fight 5 times over. The punches he threw in round two all landed on Hamill’s arms and did not phase Hamill one bit.
He should retreat down to 185 instead of asking for a fight with a healthy Hamill, but in any case, I am looking forward to Hamill tearing him apart in the rematch. It’s funny because I actually wanted Bisping to win before all this happened.

Great self proclaimed damage control…
“Bisping” is now synomynous with “douche bag.” GL trying to fix that… He would have to go to WAR with some top flight talent to earn any kinda respect from even the most casual of fans.

Good for bisping apoligizing about post fight comments, i knew he was hyped up and didn’t mean it,,but as for saying he took round 2 and 3,???? i wanted him to say he lost the fight. oh well cant wait for the rematch!
WE SHOULD GET IT FOR FREE ASWELL!
I got a perfect card, Bisping vs Hamill… Ortiz vs Evans… Nate Diaz vs Gamburyan… And Maynard vs Emmerson to kick the night off!!
call it—“unfinished business” or some shit..
Probably should have one more fight added, but stuck on who else to clear up a beef with? any suggestions??

Great idea… though i don’t like the idea of the UFC making more money out of a load of fights that should have never needed rematching… so it should also be free, and I don’t think it should even be a Major UFC event.

Whatever..I’ve seen this fight a few times over and see Matt Hammil winning the fight..In my book Bisping didn’t do much of anything then back pedal the whole octagon..counter striking granted..but didn’t hurt Hammil..everytime Hammil had him in that headlock clinch( manytimes )..Bis ate uppercuts..got thrown around like a rag doll..active guard?? never once commited to a sweep or submissions..I gave rounds 1 and 2 to Matt..the third to bis or even a split..Everyone who feels Bisping won..says Matt didn’t do enough, but what did Bisping do to be granted the Victor???

Guy is a hack and always has been and always will. The only thing that has changed, is that now everyone knows it.

I have watched the fight a couple of times. And the first re-watch I was focused on seeing how could they have possibly given this win to Bisping and I certainly seen where in the Second and Third round he could came out on top in some eyes, But the herein lies the problem, I was looking for a win for him not scoring the fight. So, re-watched again and scored the fight with what some call “sucky 10 point must system” and again Hamill remains the victor. Maybe by a closer margin but still the victor none the less.

And for someone to say the system doesn’t work I think you are saying that because the system prevents any bias. If you are trying to see a win for one side or the other and stick to the system, I dont care what the system is, you maybe frustrated and attack the system.

Even if you scored it by points of takedowns, escapes, connected hits, hard shots vs jabs, leg kicks, ground control, Octagon control, forcing the action, or whatever way you want just be sure to apply the same system to both fighters Hamill is the victor!

I will embrace a re-match where hopefully Hamill will address his conditioning and comeout harder in the first and turn the pressure up as the fight goes on and then we wont need a decision. Hamill winner by KO.

the worst decision of the night wasn’t the hamill bisping decision it was Fedor not deciding to sign with the UFC. What’s the F***ing hold up!

I don’t think I’m alone in saying that I’m tired of hearing about Fedor. The UFC does not need him. He needs the UFC.

Good for bisping apoligizing about post fight comments, i knew he was hyped up and didn’t mean it,,but as for saying he took round 2 and 3,???? i wanted him to say he lost the fight. oh well cant wait for the rematch!
WE SHOULD GET IT FOR FREE ASWELL!
I got a perfect card, Bisping vs Hamill… Ortiz vs Evans… Nate Diaz vs Gamburyan… And Maynard vs Emmerson to kick the night off!!
call it—"unfinished business" or some shit..
Probably should have one more fight added, but stuck on who else to clear up a beef with? any suggestions??
Great idea… though i don’t like the idea of the UFC making more money out of a load of fights that should have never needed rematching… so it should also be free, and I don’t think it should even be a Major UFC event.

Definetly for free, a FIGHT/NIGHT live on spike,…and also not to make it one of the fight/night’s they are already putting on..I mean an extra one to appologize for poor officiating.

“I don’t think I’m alone in saying that I’m tired of hearing about Fedor. The UFC does not need him. He needs the UFC.”

Exactly. The last time Fedor fought a notable opponent Randy was still in retirement and Crocop was considered a god. My point is the heavyweight division’s landscape has drastically changed and if Fedor doesn’t want to sign, who needs him? Let him fade out of the spotlight.

Doug and Eric,

I can appreciate your opinions. I watched the fight too many times and the one thing I missed was some of the inside leg kicks in the first round – Hamill took that round anyway.

I think Bisping won the shadow boxing competition doing his best Sugar Ray Leonard impression. Dude did not connect. His efforts are the equivalent of playing air guitar.

It you dont think Hamill connected on head locks, his jabs, and overhand left elbow look at Bisping face at the end of the rounds and you will see a deoxygenated skull with blood coming from under his eyes and out his nose.

Bisping is tough but he got handled.

I bet Hammill comes back even better in the rematch.

Hamill will smoke him in the states…

it was a motherfucking decision!!! hamil won the fight!!! bisping is the worst fighter i’ve ever seen!!! bisping sucks!!!

whats your point?

I like Bisping. He gives honest opinions. Now that all you haters and keyboard warriors have mounted attacks on his “issues, and character” he’ll probably rethink that strategy. Shame. Now you know why you never get a straight answer from a politician.

I’m happy Bisping got the victory. He earned it by not getting KO’d or giving up. Hamill – while vastly, and shockingly improved gassed in the second round and got out-hustled for the win.

It was an exciting fight. I tip my hat to both fighters and look forward to them throwing down again.

I think Bisping won the shadow boxing competition doing his best Sugar Ray Leonard impression. Dude did not connect. His efforts are the equivalent of playing air guitar.

It you dont think Hamill connected on head locks, his jabs, and overhand left elbow look at Bisping face at the end of the rounds and you will see a deoxygenated skull with blood coming from under his eyes and out his nose.

Bisping is tough but he got handled.[/quote]

HA!!! This is hilarious! “His best Sugar Ray impression…” Too funny!

Yeah, Bisbing apologized, big deal. It was self-serving, it’s just damage control. He’s still an a-hole.

I meant to quote you- Taped up Pair. Sorry….

As far as takedowns go, how many times in a fight, towards the end of a round, have you heard one of the announcers say “OHHH, he just secured the round with that takedown!”

So how does Cecil Peoples say that yes, Hamill did take him down, but didn’t do too much when he had him down.

A takedown is a takedown. What you do to your opponent once on the ground is a different story.

I agree with everyone that said that this was not written by Bisping, it was written by a public relations person.

Although this would not be possible, I wish that whenever they do have the rematch, that the winner of the rematch is also declared the winner of the first fight.

So if Bisping wins, fine. He is 2-0 against Hamill. BUT, if Hamill wins, they should reverse the decision of the first fight since it was clearly obvious that Hamill won the fight, and if he was to beat him in a rematch, it would only help prove the fact that he won this past weekend.

If you’re fooled by this apology, then I’m really concerned. He’s not swallowing his pride, he’s covering his ass. He offered excuses where he needed to explain his actions with dignity, and honesty. He’s proved that his ego is foremost on his list, and acting like a decent human in a sport he claims to love, comes second. And really, what do you think he thinks of all of you?

I’m happy Bisping got the victory. He earned it by not getting KO’d or giving up.

C’mon, are you serious? So if you fight a wrestler with no standup game compared to yours, all you have to do is last 3 rounds without getting KO’d and you automatically win? That makes zero sense. With that logic, Kenny Florian would have won the decision over Sherk since he didn’t get KO’d and he didn’t give up. Who are you anyway, Cecil People’s illegitimate son?

I can see the rematch now…

UFC 84 “WUH?”

You can’t understand a fricken word out of these two guys.

I’m happy Bisping got the victory. He earned it by not getting KO’d or giving up. Hamill – while vastly, and shockingly improved gassed in the second round and got out-hustled for the win.

Bisping was back pedaling doing laps around the octagon..its that how win??

I think that this loss was good Hamill. You can’t be a complete MMA fighter if you’re incompitent on the ground with your strikes, especially if your bread and butter is wrestling. Hamill didn’t do any damage to the count when he had him in a dominant position on the ground and he let him back up with little defense. I found his performance to be greatly better than his last showings as far as his stand up game, but I definately thought that Hamil could have done much more with his opponent on the ground. If he had, he would have won.

You live and learn.

I was sick of listening to Hamill whine and complain during TUF. This is only going to make him worse.

Okay, great we get the rematch. I do’t care about his feelings or anybody elses for that matter, but I’d rather pay for it. Main event type fights are weak on Spike.

Also, all this talk about Bisping being a “great” fighter? I don’t see itgood maybe but great?. Matt Hammil is no Liddel either but seriously, what other top 205lb fighter would Bisping have a chance against. Rampage?-NO, Liddel?-NO, Griffin?-NO, Ortiz?-NO, Silva?-NO, Henderson?-NO, Alexander?-NO, Silva?-NO and that’s the short list. I don’t mean to pile on but do people really expect him to climb the ladder quickly?
Even at 185lb’s I’m not sure he steps in as a top fighter.
Anyway, who cares as long as Hammil can beat him next go round it will all be moot.

I was sick of listening to Hamill whine and complain during TUF. This is only going to make him worse.

It could be that Hamill was painted to be a whiner. TUF is a reality show complete with editing. Who knows what Hamill is really like.

What is known is that Dana plans to market to London,Europe,Hispanics and Latinos. Watch the story lines continue to develop; and, also, watch the close matches fall to those fighters that fit in these categories.

If Hamill was the penis they painted him to be he sure did show a lot of maturity live on Saturday with his comments, in written form on his web site, and in his actions by building a gym to stay close to his daughter. He sounds like an unselfish guy…..

justagirl – thanks for the props

Yawn I, for one, am not interested about this rematch. Hamill got shafted, Bisping got lucky. I don’t see their next fight being any different or either of them really improving. If anything, I want to see them fighting more high level opponents then have them fight each other again when they have more to show.

Sorry I used silva twice. He’d beat him twice anyway.

Wow lot’s of Bisping fans now. Where were they right after the fight?

Alright. Enough with this “lets take another look at the fight” to determine Bisping really won. You bunch of sackless nutbags. You were brave to stay away from the message boards right after the fight was over and now you want to come in and determine for all of us that Bisping won the fight.

I believe your message board is located at bisping.tv/Iwearadress.

The first step was for Bisping to save face. That does not mean he won the fight nor does it qualify for everyone to now become sympathizers.

Keep the pressure on for what it was and still is. The rematch determines and closes this crap.

Keep it real!

Right on!

It could be that Hamill was painted to be a whiner. TUF is a reality show complete with editing. Who knows what Hamill is really like.

What is known is that Dana plans to market to London,Europe,Hispanics and Latinos. Watch the story lines continue to develop; and, also, watch the close matches fall to those fighters that fit in these categories.

If Hamill was the penis they painted him to be he sure did show a lot of maturity live on Saturday with his comments, in written form on his web site, and in his actions by building a gym to stay close to his daughter. He sounds like an unselfish guy…..

justagirl – thanks for the props

Great post! I hope it doesn’t come to that. I hope Dana see’s these posts because we will be watching very closely now.

Bisping’s comments translate to… “I am still a chump. Please cheer for me!!”

As far as takedowns go, how many times in a fight, towards the end of a round, have you heard one of the announcers say “OHHH, he just secured the round with that takedown!”

So how does Cecil Peoples say that yes, Hamill did take him down, but didn’t do too much when he had him down.

A takedown is a takedown. What you do to your opponent once on the ground is a different story.

Agreed. It still scores points no matter how weak it looks. If it were so weak then why didnt bisping defend it. Take down defense scores points as well but bisping was unable to stop them. So regardless of how weak it was points are awarded.

Bisping did score some points in the second but not nearly as many as hamill. All and all round 2 was pretty slow but hamill won it for sure according to the scoring outline.

Okay, great we get the rematch. I do’t care about his feelings or anybody elses for that matter, but I’d rather pay for it. Main event type fights are weak on Spike.

Also, all this talk about Bisping being a “great” fighter? I don’t see itgood maybe but great?. Matt Hammil is no Liddel either but seriously, what other top 205lb fighter would Bisping have a chance against. Rampage?-NO, Liddel?-NO, Griffin?-NO, Ortiz?-NO, Silva?-NO, Henderson?-NO, Alexander?-NO, Silva?-NO and that’s the short list. I don’t mean to pile on but do people really expect him to climb the ladder quickly?
Even at 185lb’s I’m not sure he steps in as a top fighter.
Anyway, who cares as long as Hammil can beat him next go round it will all be moot.

I agree Jeremy… He is not match for any of these guys nor will he ever be. I was really unimpressed with this last fight, because honestly he could do nothing against Hamill. Call it a good guard or Hamill held him down… whatever! Even when they were up, he did nothing really.

I say if he wants to count this as a legitimate win. Let him step up and take on some prime competition. Feed him to Tito or Henderson. :)

Hell I would love to see Babalu fight this chump.

They both deserved a win that night, so only a rematch will declare a true winner.

I have watched the fight a couple of times. And the first re-watch I was focused on seeing how could they have possibly given this win to Bisping and I certainly seen where in the Second and Third round he could came out on top in some eyes, But the herein lies the problem, I was looking for a win for him not scoring the fight. So, re-watched again and scored the fight with what some call “sucky 10 point must system” and again Hamill remains the victor. Maybe by a closer margin but still the victor none the less.

And for someone to say the system doesn’t work I think you are saying that because the system prevents any bias. If you are trying to see a win for one side or the other and stick to the system, I dont care what the system is, you maybe frustrated and attack the system.

Even if you scored it by points of takedowns, escapes, connected hits, hard shots vs jabs, leg kicks, ground control, Octagon control, forcing the action, or whatever way you want just be sure to apply the same system to both fighters Hamill is the victor!

I will embrace a re-match where hopefully Hamill will address his conditioning and comeout harder in the first and turn the pressure up as the fight goes on and then we wont need a decision. Hamill winner by KO.

UFC Fan, the scoring system sucks for mma. There is no point criteria for winning the overall match. Pride judged the fight as a whole, and I dont remember seeing to many decisions that I didnt agree with in PRIDE. I mean if a guy barely outscores someone in rds 1 and 2, and then gets destroyed in the 3rd, he is still gonna win the fight, and thats not right.

I really think that the system is extremely flawed!

Everybody get off Bispings back, he didnt score the fight the judges did, I can c how emotions and adrenalin could have caused him to say those stupid things. Whether he appologized or someone else wrote it, so what he appologized. I aint mad at him for the fight, Im not mad at the judges, Im mad at the scoring system.

and Im not some guy from England who worships Bisping, Im from Philly and I’m not as mad at him or the judges as the rest of you. If the scoring system doesnt change we are gonna continue to c unfair decisions. Fights need to be scored as a whole, not this rd by rd crap!

Not to get off the subject but I am kind of thinking about this TUF thing.

Who was the dude who lost and then proceeded to smoke his bong on the series?

Is this the marketing scheme for Zuffa to attract the inner city kids, latinos and hispanics? What about the UFC being the INC that wants regulation and testing?

What a pile of crap – I have to go to work.

Peace

Not to get off the subject but I am kind of thinking about this TUF thing.

Who was the dude who lost and then proceeded to smoke his bong on the series?

Is this the marketing scheme for Zuffa to attract the inner city kids, latinos and hispanics? What about the UFC being the INC that wants regulation and testing?

What a pile of crap – I have to go to work.

Peace

It is funny that you bring that up. I read the Cuban article on MMAWeekly and he said almost the same thing. If these guys want to be considered serious athletes they better start acting like it. At least in the public eye that is. What ever they do on their own time is their business until it spills over into the sport(ala Mike Vic).

If I were the UFC I would be paying attention to Mark Cuban. Everything that he does seems to go well. With all the resources he currently has at his disposal it will be interesting to see what happens in the next 6 months to a year. Especially if he signs Fedor.

BISBING WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COMPETE AT THAT WEIGHT CLASS. HE BARLEY BEAT HAMIL AND HAMIL IS NOT EVEN THAT GOOD. HAMIL HAS IMPROVED HIS STAND UP ALOT SINCE THE SHOW BUT WITH ALL THE HYPE SURROUNDING BISBING, HE SHOULD HAVE KNOCKED OUT HAMIL.
OR AT LEAST HIT HIM A COUPLE OF TIMES. IF THAT FIGHT HAD GONE FOR 5 ROUNDS, HAMIL WOULD HAVE KNOCKED HIM OUT.
MY PREDICTION FOR THE REMATCH:
HAMIL WINS BY KNOCKOUT, ROUND 2

Hamill won round 1 and 3. I think both fighters are good people. Bisping just lost his cool with the press. Good show chappy.

Good for bisping apoligizing about post fight comments, i knew he was hyped up and didn’t mean it,,but as for saying he took round 2 and 3,???? i wanted him to say he lost the fight. oh well cant wait for the rematch!
WE SHOULD GET IT FOR FREE ASWELL!
I got a perfect card, Bisping vs Hamill… Ortiz vs Evans… Nate Diaz vs Gamburyan… And Maynard vs Emmerson to kick the night off!!
call it—“unfinished business” or some shit..
Probably should have one more fight added, but stuck on who else to clear up a beef with? any suggestions??

I Love that Idea as long as it is free on spike.

Round 1 was obvious, round 2 was close but I feel hamill won that one, and round three should have been a draw. Bisping did get better each round and hamill did start losing steam, he needs to focus more on his cardio. I definitely still feel hamill won that fight and did watch it again, bisping was running away from hamill the entire fight, hamill got several take down’s and bisping never got one. I find it fascinating how 2 people can look at the same thing and feel so differently about it, it must be what they focus on. For me manhandling and knocking a guy down carries a lot of weight, where the number of strikes means f**k all if they do nothing. I give bisping credit for his statement and realize we all say stupid things in the heat of the moment when emotions are running high, but it takes a man to apologize. Split decisions suck period and I would love for them to change and not have split decisions anymore. They should call it a draw which is what they really are, if the JUDGES can’t agree amongst themselves who won then call it a draw.

Hey MMAfan1981: its funny that u brought up Mark Cuban.

I live in Philadelphia, this morning I open the daily news and there is an article in the sports section about Mark Cuban
The article says:

Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban’s high definition TV network,
HDNet, is planning a new sports venture called HDNet Fights. The new group will put on mixed martial arts fights and air them on HDNet.

Sounds like Cuban aint playing around.

I really don’t even wanna c Bisping vs. Hamil 2. Its obvious that Bisping doesnt belong at 205 lbs. A rematch vs. Hamil will just postpone him moving down to 185.

Or better yet, do what they do on the tuff shows and have another round to determine the winner.

I have an idea. Lets all cry about it. Personally, I had Bisping winning a close one the first time I watched it. He threw more punches and was more active. Hamil had a couple of takedowns, but did nothing with them.

All Bisping does is talk all kinds of mess to anyone including Hamill, before and after. It’s hard to believe he has an ounce of respect for any fighter. I don’t think he wrote that. Perhaps, his team had him in an armbar, and with his other arm free, he was able to unwillingly type the message. A little more believable. I liked him a lot before this fight, even with the trash talking. But, he really showed his true colors in the face of adversity. There’s no reconciliation. Bisping won and still had sh*& to say. If Bisping was in Hamill’s shoes after the decision, I coulndn’t begin to imagine how he would have acted.

Nobody on television writes their own apologies. So what?
This is y people always say to finish the fight and dont leave the fight in the hands of the judges.

Or better yet, do what they do on the tuff shows and have another round to determine the winner.

That’s not a bad idea for split decisions. But what if the judges can’t decide after 5 more minutes, do you have another round? I know its never happened on TUF, but I’m just saying.

Speaking of TUF, who was the fighter they were referring to above the was smoking a bong in the house? I can’t seem to remember who it was…

If the scoring system doesnt change we are gonna continue to c unfair decisions. Fights need to be scored as a whole, not this rd by rd crap![/quote]

It’s true.

That’s not a bad idea for split decisions. But what if the judges can’t decide after 5 more minutes, do you have another round? I know its never happened on TUF, but I’m just saying.

Speaking of TUF, who was the fighter they were referring to above the was smoking a bong in the house? I can’t seem to remember who it was…

Rob Emerson

Or better yet, do what they do on the tuff shows and have another round to determine the winner.

Good idea, that would clear up a lot of crying that goes on about close decisions.

wrestling is a crap form of entertainment always has been always will but it is probably 1 of the best if not the best technique 2 use in a fight

but i still think they shouldnt allow it

Now that both fighters have a feel for what the other one is capable of up close. I think both are going to knock heads as soon as they step in together. So, I expect a clean winner next time around.

this decision was not debatable. michael bisbing, you cocky fuckhead, you lost.

Excellent comment. I agree with everything you wrote.

I still think that Bisping has a lot of potential and can be a powerful force in the MW division but that he’s lost his focus lately. He simply doesn’t look as sharp or as aggressive as he used to.

Good points guys. Under Pride Rules Hamill gets the win without question; maybe the system is flawed. That being said I still scored it for Hamill, at worst 29-28.

Bring on the rematch. Bisping Hamill, Tito Rashad, Manny Nate all on spike. That would be nice.

Very mature of Bisping. I didnt know he had it in him

He should be a bigger man a give Hamill the fight. LOL, I really dont like this guy.

I was sick of listening to Hamill whine and complain during TUF. This is only going to make him worse.

Wtf are you talking about? Are you sure it’s the right Hamill or was it Bisping? I didn’t see Hamill ever whining about anything during the TUF show. Bisping was the one who did all the talking and whining.

wrestling is a crap form of entertainment always has been always will but it is probably 1 of the best if not the best technique 2 use in a fight

but i still think they shouldnt allow it

ok, but I think your point is moot anyway.

Two words…Douche Bag

It is events like this that shows a person true character.

Notice that Hamil was gracious while Bisping was an arrogant prick.

What a loser…these words mean absolutely nothing. What was he going to do in place of this, go and write a blog saying he kicked the shit out of Hamill? Bisbing, it’s too late for you man, imo (and in the minds of many fans) you’re a clown and I think deep down you know it for yourself.

In the heat of the moment my ass. So many other fighters have had big fights and have said, right there in the cage, that the other fighter was the better man. They had the adrenalin going but they were still able to think things through and make an honest statement.

Don’t believe any of this crap. Bisbing got upset in the post-fight press conference and said he was "of course the winner, (along with more crap, but I just don’t listen to this dude anymore).

I called it during the whole TUF show, I called it before his fight with Schafer, and every moment from then on out, this man is a waste of time. I’m glad everyone sees that now.

The fight was rigged and I think Hamill was in on it. He had a bunch of opportunities to choke Bisping out and chose to punch him in the face instead. He also stood up a ridiculous amount. I’m guessing he did what he had to do to get a fight and he was a bit pissed about it and messed up Bisping’s face to get a moral victory. There will be a rematch and I suspect Hamill will choke him out in round one as Bisping offered his back about 5 times.

Also notice Hamill looked down, but wasn’t surprised and even congratulated Bisping after the decision.

Sorry, rigged to placate the Britts.

I can understand why people are pissed at Bisping. He shows little respect and the timing of his comments couldnt be more off the pulse of the moment.

To put things into perspective, his corner was feeding him some lines to keep him in the fight. He was in the fight and came out of it expressing what his corner and his adrenaline were telling him. I give him a pass this time on the social graces and etiquette.

What I did see was a scrappy competitor. What did he say at the end of the second round?; “Im faulking standing.” Listen, the dude has some brass balls and an iron will.

Where do you place him? I dont know how to place him because Hamill and Bisping are both unproven commodities. How strong is Hamill? What problems does this pose fighters who are actually there in front of him? Time will tell.

Why dont we humiliate him a little more and put him against a TUF runner up? The American Psyco does not get knocked out and can trade off with him some of that kung fu stuff. Both have heart and the match-up will tell us where they both stand as far as their futures in the MMA.

scroll down on this link to listen to bisping – I guess it wasnt the adrenaline after all? I take back his pass..

I still think he has heart,however, he is a turd smuggler

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,11021-2006410749,00.html?channel=Sports&clipID=1347_SUN3594

Are you kidding me!!..why does the UFC have NOBODY old boxing judges that KNOW nothing about martial arts…Cecil..you made wrong decisions every fight..Im so sorry you got ripped off Hamil…you won that fight easy!..The UFC is becoming a JOKE with judging just like Boxing became…Shame on you and that terrible terrible decision…gimme a break!..time to hire some judges Dana!…BISPING YOU SUCK! and you got yur ass kicked!!!

whats with all the bitching!? Bisping won, otherwise it would have been a draw – BISPING WON – DEAL WITH IT

bispings an ass…. and we all know it…

Bisping won or u think it was a draw?….lol you def are insane or your part of his inner family.

bispunnk is a BUM! He showed no heart & no sklills!he lost that fight to a better man. i cant wait till bisping is booted out the ufc!!

MATT beat the f*cking sh*t out of bisping .. and for those judges who scored that fight should get the sh*t kicked out of them.. How do you win a fight when your running away from your opponet the whole time.. If i was Matt i would of whent over to the judges and beat the shit out of them even the london ppl new that Matt won that fight.. so i think that is complete BULLSH*T……………….

Definetly for free, a FIGHT/NIGHT live on spike,…and also not to make it one of the fight/night’s they are already putting on..I mean an extra one to appologize for poor officiating.

You had your arse handed to you Bisping and in the rematch you will be pounded then submitted. You are a nothing in the light heavyweight division!

he’s trying to cover his arse, which is fine. a rematch will tell the tale.

Feed him Wanderlei Silva. That is the just desserts for such a bullshit decision…………

What if Matt got a decision over Bisping in say Vegas, and not everyone agreed with it? Would you all still be bitching about that, I think not. Fact of the matter is all the U.S fans can not stand the thought of a British fighter taking it to one of their guys.

Sure Matt was the one doing the stalking, but what did he do with it? Look at the stats, he took Bisping down and then did nothing with him. He was throwing shots that were just not landing, he was huffing and puffing his way through the last two rounds and letting Bisping land shots at will.

All this talk about a home town victory, check out the judges. The two guys who gave the win to Bisping were from the U.S!!!

Wow Regy..tell us how you really feel. I didn’t like Bisping on the show, and definitely can not stand for him now. I can see being a little euphoric and jumping up on the cage to get your home town buddies all fired up….but c’mon man. To not even shake the guy’s hand who just wooped you, who you shared a house with for god know’s how long on the show….What an ass..You know it Regy…all you U.K. fans who pull for the guy knows it, and us U.S boyz definitely know it. If it’s not Hamil in the future, I can’t wait for anybody to punch this guy square in the face and shatter that scchnnoooozee…

cheers!!

I agree there was no need for Bisping to show a total lack of respect like he did, especially with the outcome being so close. He needs to take a look at how people like Randy Couture and Chuck handle themselves.

Bisping has been all over the press in the U.K, telling everyone that he has asked the UFC to put him in there again with Matt to put an end to all the crap he has been getting. I have never seen such a reaction from fans after a fight!! Half of the crowd in the arena on Saturday were not happy with the outcome. Not sure if they will fight again, but I do no that if the fight takes place in the U.S then Bisping will be in for a hard time from the fans, but he only has him self to blame.

I still think he did enough to win the fight, but that might just be me watching the fight through my Union Jack tinted glasses, hey I have got to back our own U.K fighters!!!!

After this fight I’ll go back to Watching WWE. What a joke this desicion was not only for the UFC but the Judges also.

Doug must be a PR man for the UFC

Excellent comment. I agree with everything you wrote.

I still think that Bisping has a lot of potential and can be a powerful force in the MW division but that he’s lost his focus lately. He simply doesn’t look as sharp or as aggressive as he used to.

Hamill won the fight absolutely no doubt about it. I like Bisping but he got a “home town” decision. Bisping did not win any round, it appeared that Matt Hamill was the only one who wanted to fight and had to chase Bisping all around the ring for three rounds with Bisping hoping to counter punch all the time. He should change his name top Mike “The Chicken” Bisping

I have to point out that I liked Mike Bisping in the show Ultimate Fighter and that I am from the North West in the United Kingdom but I have to say that Mike “The Chicken” Bisping did not win a round of that fight and it does piss me of a little when these farce judges give these pathetic decisions. I thought only boxing judges were thick and blind but sadly UFC judges are just as freakin blind. I have watched the fight several times and it beggars belief how any one other than the biased Bisping fans could see that he won it. Well done Matt Hamill you were the only one in the octagon who looked like he wanted to fight….Sorry Bisping but your a chicken….if your honest you know that you LOST that fight.

It was certainly a close and tough fight but Bisping counter punched well and was never threatened on the ground. Hamill was definetly the agressor and landed a couple of big punches early but Bisping did remarkably well at wearing the lumbering giant down. At the end of the fight Bisping was all over Hamill. Hamill had little to no defence or footwork and aside from the first round barely connected with a punch even though he must have thrown at least 100 big bombs. I certainly think that Hamill was the definite agressor, and always looks impressive stomping around the octagon, but this isn’t the Ultimate Agressor Championships, it’s the UFC. Smart and skilled fighters will inevitably get over the top of those using brute force. I recall the commentator saying that Hamill had really improved on his stricking skills. I have my doubts….With a bit of control, some ability to pace himself and some defence he will have a better chance at taking Bisping down in the rematch. Thanks Gents.

Perhaps if the UFC introduced more British fighters in the mix there would be less of a disappointment for the whole of fucking Britain when he does shit and maybe there would be less pressure on judges to give Bisping the decision-who the hell is there from Britain other than Bisping in the UFC